faith? my deinition

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   Jeramiposted 12 years ago

   it is  faith, if you can be lost in the woods "thinking that I know" which direction I have to go, in order to find  my car?
   
      But if I were born out in the woods ..??.. I wouldn't care if there was a car,   anywhere;   certainly don't want to hear; over and over, and over ...etc.
   
      where you think ("Know?") where you left your car!!
   
      I didn't see Ya coming in here with a car.
   
      As far as I can tell?   there ain't NO Car over there in any direction.
   
   
       Except ???    I wasn't the one born out in the woods.
   I Have  Faith That I was born in a car! ....   
   
   
       I think,  that I know where my car is at!  ... ?

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      paradigmsearchposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Alas, no, it is reason, not faith. You remember that you came from the car; you remember seeing the car, you remember being in the car; the car empirically a.k.a factually exists.
      
      
      
      If it wasn't for your false premise right at the start, the rest of what you said is actually logical.

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   lone77starposted 12 years ago

   Powerful subject, Jerami.
   
   For me, "faith" is perfect confidence. Not even a drop of doubt taints it.
   
   Along with this perfect confidence, comes utter humility. Without this, perfection can never be reached. It seems ego gets in the way, otherwise.
   
   Many years ago, a friend of the family had lost touch with my parents and longed to see them again. He had heard that they had moved north of Phoenix, Arizona, but other than that had no idea where to look. Then, one day, he got in his car and decided to go to them -- on faith. There was no hit-or-miss in his mission, no "trial and error." He simply drove past a dozen freeway exits and took the correct one, turned right instead of left, drove an additional 3-4 miles and turned into an unmarked driveway to see my mother stand up at the unexpected guest.
   
   Reason would've gotten in the way. Logic would've said that this was impossible.
   
   Faith is superior to reason. From faith comes creation and all of that on which reason depends.
   
   I have witnessed many miracles first hand -- contraventions of physical reality -- not merely "lucky," but "impossible."
   
   No uncertainty. No doubt at all. The faith to "walk on water."

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      Jeramiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      just one way of understanding if Faith is real would be to examine the product of that faith.
      
         Maybe?  absence of conflict of mind?  produces inner peace ...           out of which love can flow, unrestricted.
      
         the double minded man seldom (if ever) attains their ultimate goal, or their desired destination.
      
      Or something like that.

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      A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      If that were true, which of course it isn't, people would use faith to go everywhere rather than using logic and reason to find where they were going. But they don't use faith because they will inevitably get lost along the way.
      
      And, you know this, but still you dishonestly posted something entirely contradictory. Why would you do such a thing? Ego, perhaps?
      
      Reason and logic would not say that is lucky or impossible, it would say it is possible and probable, but to a small degree.

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   Jeramiposted 12 years ago

   Jerami wrote:
     it is  faith, if you can be lost in the woods "thinking that I know" which direction I have to go, in order to find  my car?
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     paradigmsearch wtote
   Alas, no, it is reason, not faith. You remember that you came from the car; you remember seeing the car, you remember being in the car; the car empirically a.k.a factually exists.
   
   ===========  ME ...    alas,  the subject of the statement is faith in knowing  which direction the car can be found.
     As you say, all faith, no matter what the faith is directed upon, is based on  something else that we think that we know.
   
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   Jerami wrote:
   
      But if I were born out in the woods ..??.. I wouldn't care if there was a car,   anywhere;   certainly don't want to hear; over and over, and over ...etc.
   
      where you think ("Know?") where you left your car!!
   
      I didn't see Ya coming in here with a car.
   
      As far as I can tell?   there ain't NO Car over there in any direction.
   
   
       Except ???    I wasn't the one born out in the woods.
   I Have  Faith That I was born in a car! ....   
   
   
       I think,  that I know where my car is at!  ... ?
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   paradigmsearch wtote
   If it wasn't for your false premise right at the start, the rest of what you said is actually logical.
   
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   me .. 
   
     The OP was intended to be a parable;;;   to see who understood what I was talking about ... and who didn't.
     Not that there is a right and wrong concerning that which the individuals sees, but that which is unseen?????

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