It's obvious to me. Christians, try to prove me wrong. You can't.
One of the great misunderstandings and misrepresentations of who Jesus is and what he came here for is that He came to teach anything . . . yoga, a Christian religion, peace & love, whatever. He is the divine creator of all that is, so everything He does (did) we can of course learn from, and there were numerous circumstances in which what He did or said took the form of teaching - but that was not His mission or purpose, He did not come into His creation to teach us stuff.
He came to do something, to accomplish a task, to execute a particular work . . . again, as He went about to do this He taught, and was called "teacher", but we miss His true identity and subvert His accomplished work when we cast Him as coming to teach.
You're the one who made the statement. The burden of proof is on you to prove Jesus taught yoga, not on Christians to prove He didn't. You can't.
Jesus hated yoga.
It says so in Jermicheal 3:16 or something like that.
Yeah, he hated yoga alright, but it payed the bills
"Everyday, he had to get that paper y'all." Luke 623:39
He did? Can't find that book hehe. If you meant Jeremaih couldn't find yoga in that passage?
Yoga is pretty awesome. It's relaxing and clears the mind of distractions-allowing deeper thought. On more than one occasion I've actually contemplated verses during yoga. So, while I think the bible probably would have mentioned somewhere if Christ was a guru, I can't see why he would have any particular problems with Yoga.
Now it's tempting to point out Scriptures debunking that theory, but I'll refrain. I wanna hear proof from janesix first.
Brenda, believe it or not I actually like you quite a bit. I really have no hard set opinions on the matter of yoga and the Bible. If you say Jesus was against stretching, then I will-on this matter-completely defer to your judgement.
*Smiles* I didn't say I would stop doing yoga. I have fibermyalgia and it helps considerably with the pain (which means I take less hydrocodone)but if you say it's sinful I won't disagree with you or attempt to pick apart the verses you use to support your argument . So there you go Brenda, one completely free "You are completely right" card. Merry Christmas
Thanks Melissa. My wife suffers from lupus and one of the symptoms is fibromyalgia. I shall mention yoga to her.
I've never considered whether or not elements of yoga are suggested in the bible, such as being still, or meditating on God's law. In the church environment I grew up in, anything remotely Eastern was branded as New Age and opening a door to demons. It's quite astounding the level of willfull ignorance that pervades much of the Church.
Jesus in the the storm on the boat story illustrates stilling the mind in the midst of the storm quite well I thought. At least when viewed other than literally.
Meditating on God's law does not mean to meditate in our minds. There is a vast difference, Please see my Hub about schizophrenia.
Meditation through Yoga is not permitted by God.
Yoga is a trick made up by the serpent, the devil. I will not explain everything in here, but it is totally not approved by God.
I don't mean to laugh, but you can't be serious. I've always wondered why the fundamentalists look down so harshly on yoga. To claim God, himself, has weighed in on the issue is ludicrous. I'm a little flabbergasted at the serpent comment. How did you come to that conclusion?
I don't mean to make you "laugh" - if you really did, of course out of ignorance.
And yes, I can certainly and am serious.
I don't claim God, I cite God.
The devil has you by your own tongue and you don't know it.
A higher awareness is strictly forbidden in his Will.
Enlightenment through the third eye (accessed through yoga) was originated by Hinduism, one warned religion that salutes idolatry and stepping out of the Commandments to fulfill their religion - the devil's religions.
You have NOT cited anything from God what so ever. If you have not done what you claim to have done, that is called a lie. The atheists on this site have a saying for that, liars for jesus.
Gah! I hate this sort of blow hard arrogance!
You do realize you aren't citing a God. You are simply bizarrely misled. Did you come up with this all by yourself? Or are you the product of a ministry by a man who got his ordination from a Cracker Jack prize is the question now.
I'm watching you. I'll let you know when I figure that out.
Meditating on his law means to keep it in mind in everything that we do consciously, not the act of drifting away from disconnecting of the world inside our heads. It is not only extremely dangerous but a sin.
It doesn't seem like you have experienced meditation by your comments? Do you actually know what it is?
Apparently you don't. You think it is some sort of mind stimulation that leads to no danger. You are obviously unaware of the spiritual nature around you that you cannot see.
Yoga is a form of witchcraft, and any is forbidden by the law of God.
We are taught to meditate through his word, and not literally "meditate" like a monk. You obviously know nothing of the Pineal Gland.
If you don't know what meditation is how can you make such a claim?
It's in the name, he walks with Jesus, don't cha know!
Did my sarcasm miss the mark? If so, oops!
I often read your posts on HP even when I don't get into the conversations and I always find you to be a good person. We don't have the same beliefs but I have never seen you act superior or boastful or preachy, you always act in a way that is respectful and humble. You question to the other poster is a valid and poignant one, yet I suspect it will not get the consideration it deserves. I get the impression this other poster is not hear to discuss or learn, but is here to preach and get himself followers. So sarcastic humor seems appropriate
Hehe no I got it. I knew what you were intending to convey. My reply was meant to be in jest. Oh and yes you are probably right.
Oh good! I had not meant any insult to you and am glad you didn't feel any
I wasn't sure before, humor doesn't always carry well over the net and can be miss-interpreted. I know mine can be sometimes!
With a bad sense of humor the problem is even worse!
You would be doing those on Hub Pages a great service by enlightening us all on your secret knowledge of the pineal gland.
Could it be Satan????
What you don't know will in fact turn you against yourself. What you do will save you. You don't need to "meditate" to fulfill completeness. You never can and never will through the help of unclean spirits. Only through God and Jesus will you accomplish this. Prayer is meditating through him, not the type of meditating that requires total release of the mind only to be caught by unwanted forces. They're not going to tell you, they're way smarter than you. That's how you got into it in the first place.
Experience is our greatest teacher (its my favorite saying) Knowing and not doing is not knowing.
Theory is an altogether different thing.
In your theory meditation seems to be a liason of sorts with unclean spirits or unwanted forces, of which belong, largely to the mind.
In the stillness there is nothing.
If you read the word in a meditative state and it serves to remove the things of the mind and stillness pervades then great.
Each to their own.
Of course you can back up your claims with scripture, logical argument, and testable evidence? Or are your claims based on what some schmuck told you on God TV?
There are two major possible ways to go with religion as a believer. The first is to accept that faith is a journey and you will continue to learn new things and reevaluate answers your entire life. The second is to accept that the first answer from the text or your clergy is the absolute law and then move on to answering the next question you have definitively.
The first path accepts new ideas and evolves, but lacks the security that comes with "a final answer". The second path has the comfort of more solid answers to their questions, but perceives anything that doesn't fall within their specific views as an affront to their deity (read abomination).
Regardless, the physical part of yoga (including the relaxation and deep breathing techniques) helps with chronic pain for many people (myself included). Before your wife tries it on her own though, she should get clearance from her doctor and at least some basic training from an instructor who will teach to her specific physical level. Instruction can be expensive, but if you have a YMCA (I'm assuming you are american) in your area, personal instruction is exceedingly reasonable financially. In fact, the YMCA will sometimes waive the cost completely for those "officially" disabled or those who can show financial hardship.
Well observed Melissa and so true. I spent many many years on the second path before I moved to the first. Though in all that time I forever had nagging doubts about the second one. But to have those doubts was to be "not a proper Christian". And yes I too have discovered that the first path does not come with security, but I think it's a price worth paying.
As to the yoga, my wife just told me that she tried Pilates but it just left her in more pain.
Im not an American, so YMCA just conjures images of the Village People for me.
Anything that help to stimulate deeper thought is always a good thing for me.
What's all this crap about stretching! Yoga's a bit more than that. You could say that stretching is a part of it, designed to keep the body flexible and healthy whilst the Yogi gets on with the real job. So what is the real job? To yoke with the Divine within oneself. In other words it is a self-imposed practice to reach and meld permanently with the God-part of our own selves.
The very first Yoga Sutra of Patanjali (200 to 300 BC) is "Yoga is the science of controlling the activities of the mind." The third sutra reads: "He whose mind is completely still becomes aware of his true nature." Bit more than stretching on a Yoga mat, eh?
A still mind is a great thing. Liking yoga more and more
If you were offended by my statement, I apologize.
I wonder though, if you see the possible irony of becoming over-defensive of a perceived slight on a process that is supposed to bring inner peace.
I challenge you to find the position downward dog outlined in the New Testament. Barring that, I would think all similarities are incidental.
Each soul is potentially divine. The goal is to manifest this Divinity within by controlling nature, external and internal. Do this either by work, or worship, or psychic control, or philosophy--by one, or more, or all of these--and be free. This is the whole of religion. Doctrines, or dogmas, or rituals, or books, or temples, or forms, are but secondary details.
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