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What are your own religious/philosophical beliefs?

  1. A Thousand Words profile image79
    A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago

    Hey, everyone. I'm certainly curious to know what it is that you believe and why. No hidden agendas or ulterior motives. Plain and simple curiosity and a conversation starter.

    1. GoldenBird profile image60
      GoldenBirdposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Greetings A Thousand Words.

      I know what you wanted to have here. Just be a little careful in future.

      1. A Thousand Words profile image79
        A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I think I somewhat expected this, actually... But it's alright.

    2. LewSethics profile image61
      LewSethicsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I have always believed in a spiritual universe, but one without the huge god everyone seems so afraid of.  All things have spirits to a greater or lesser degree.  Just as living things are more complex than inanimate matter, their spirits are also more complex, and become more soul-like.
      Also, just as I feel spiritually superior so some things, there are other things spiritually superior to me.  But worship is out of the question.  That's crazy stuff.

      1. A Thousand Words profile image79
        A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        smile Thank you, LewSethics.

    3. Daniella Lopez profile image88
      Daniella Lopezposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I hold on to a Pagan/Buddhist perception on life... which might not make any sense, but it works for me. smile

      1. A Thousand Words profile image79
        A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        LoL, cognitive dissonance is a friend to all. smile There are ideologies from both of those belief systems that I enjoy. Thanks, Daniella.

    4. autumn18 profile image70
      autumn18posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I believe that I have a great trustworthy husband. I believe that I have a family that I'm proud to call family. I believe in myself even though sometimes I don't. I believe I'm a decent human. Those are my main beliefs.

      1. A Thousand Words profile image79
        A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        smile Thank you Autumn. So simple and sweet. I'm sure you are a great wife/mother(if you have children).

    5. mischeviousme profile image61
      mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I don't really believe anything. I'm not a nihilist, but I also don't believe anyone can tell me what or whom God is. I have an idea, but that is far as my belief goes. I've taken a look from every side of the religious game and I found that the question can never be answered with human words nor can our intellect grasp an idea so far outside our finite mindsets.

      1. livelonger profile image87
        livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Some believe that their chosen religion doesn't have the "right" answers, but is simply a community that approaches matters of morality and purpose in the same way.

        1. mischeviousme profile image61
          mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I would like to find a religion that is completely tollerent of all sides. The only religion I know of that dotes complete love for all religions, is the unitarian universalist church. I don't go there because I don't believe in religion and whilst I was seeking, it was one of the places I frequented for a time.

          1. livelonger profile image87
            livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I'm not an expert on the UUs but I do think they are probably the most tolerant religion. My experience with them, although limited, has been very positive. There are UUs here, too, like MelissaBarrett, that could probably confirm this.

            1. mischeviousme profile image61
              mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Have you ever beento a liniear church, that preaches hell for all people that don't believe in Christ? This the logic of most Christian ministries. There is only one path to God? I don't think so and there for because it is subjective, I am not wrong for feeling this way. The UU I went to accepted Budhism, Bahaism, Shinto and Zen Budhism this is just to name a few. That is my reference point to the UU. They couldn't be universal if they left out all religions, it just wouldn't make sense.

              1. MelissaBarrett profile image59
                MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                *Shrugs* Not all religions are represented in my church, but we've got most of the majors represented...and quite a few atheists.  With the addition of my Hubbie, we even have a fundamentalist evangelical Christian. I'm not sure how we would feel about a satanist, but I guess he'd be welcome until he did something inappropriate. 

                We are welcome to participate in all observations or none.  We like different though, it gives us fresh perspectives into things.  Debate is practically a religion in and of itself in my church.

                I don't think we really "dote love" for all religions, but we do dote acceptance and the idea that there are just as many paths as there are people.

                1. mischeviousme profile image61
                  mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  In the tebetan version of budhism, they have a sect of monks who go around debating and it is a form of meditation to them.

    6. paradigmsearch profile image90
      paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "In three words, I can sum up all I've learned about life: It goes on." - Robert Frost

      1. A Thousand Words profile image79
        A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        That is does.

  2. calpol25 profile image77
    calpol25posted 5 years ago

    I believe in equality for all and I always take a nonjudgemental aproach and welcome everyone, thats just me smile

    1. A Thousand Words profile image79
      A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Tres cool, calpol25. You sound like an open, cool, simple man. smile

      1. calpol25 profile image77
        calpol25posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you A Thousand Words smile

  3. livelonger profile image87
    livelongerposted 5 years ago

    I'm a convert to Judaism (Reform, or liberal/predominant branch in this country). I was born Catholic but was agnostic for most of my adulthood.

    I'm Jewish because the religion makes sense to me, I think it's the right approach to things (for me, at least), and, tellingly, even among those I disagree with, I can understand where other Jews are coming from when we discuss things. (I can not say the same thing about Catholics or other Christians; often I'm utterly confused by the logic they use) But I've long known that religion itself is not important to everyone, and that there are good people among all religions (and no religion at all), so the fact that Judaism does not consider itself "the only way" is also very important to me.

    1. A Thousand Words profile image79
      A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting. smile I like what you said about you converting to Judaism because it makes sense to you. I'm personally non-religious, but have been applying principles that I have learned in religious and philosophical courses that seem to flow with who I am, and what life has been teaching me. Thank you.

    2. mischeviousme profile image61
      mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I was raised in a multi religious household so I was exposed to many sides at once. The first book I ever read was the dancing wu li masters. A metaphisical journey, then I read the baghavad geta, a hindu manuscript, followed by many others: The Torah, The Bible, The epic of gilgamesh and the list goes on.

      Then I went to college and learned that everything I had read up til then had another side to it. When I was in ellementary school, they painted Christopher Columbus as rightious and wholesome person. When I read about it later, I found that he was responsible for spreading Cholera and scarlette fevor amongst the native Americans.

         For me, the truth hides between the lines.

      1. livelonger profile image87
        livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        There IS a lot of overlap...

  4. Pcunix profile image89
    Pcunixposted 5 years ago

    Life long atheist.  Parents took us to church, I recognized it as ludicrous after a very short time.

    1. A Thousand Words profile image79
      A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks, Pcunix. smile

    2. mischeviousme profile image61
      mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I too saw the flaw with organized religion. Though I never became an atheist. I do agree that religious doctrine is and sounds insane, I cannot support such insanity, though I think they have a right to it just the same. You are obliged to be an atheist and they have an affinity to Christ or whatever.

  5. Cagsil profile image61
    Cagsilposted 5 years ago

    Religious beliefs are a waste of time.

    Philosophical beliefs are just someone's attempt at reasoning.

    I hold very few beliefs due to the fact that life is ever changing and beliefs are to change as well. Those who maintain a belief, don't understand life.

    1. A Thousand Words profile image79
      A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Well, what you said is a "belief." I didn't say that it had to be anything concrete. I'm non-religious myself, but I believe I have found certain "truths," like what you said about life being "ever changing," from some of the religions I have studied. What you just said is actually quite a Buddhist principle, that life has been teaching me on my own, even before I could give it a name. It's still a "belief" in a sense. Thank you for sharing. smile

      1. Cagsil profile image61
        Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        To YOU it may be deemed a belief, but then that would mean your perception is skewed. roll

        I take it you think everything spouted from someone's mouth is a belief? You seem to think that people cannot speak about knowledge learned, experiences gained or wisdom discerned, or opinions or even facts?

        Get real.

        1. Pcunix profile image89
          Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Exactly.

          Though this poster is not doing this, the religious often use that "belief" nonsense to justify their foolishness - atheism is just a "belief" in their minds.

          1. Cagsil profile image61
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            As long as you remember that PC, since you're a life long Atheist. That's not something I am. wink

            1. Pcunix profile image89
              Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, but my parents did try to indoctrinate me.  I examined the evidence and came to the obvious decision.  A decision, not a "belief".

              1. Cagsil profile image61
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Actually PC, you made a decision and apparently choose to become a "life long Atheist(which is a belief)". wink

                1. Pcunix profile image89
                  Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't agree.  First, I was already an atheist by default.  Second, it's not a belief: it's fact that there are no gods and could not be.

                  1. Cagsil profile image61
                    Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm sure you wouldn't agree.
                    Actually, this is untrue. You would be considered an Agnostic by default.
                    Actually, you said Atheism is a belief. So make up your mind would you.

                  2. livelonger profile image87
                    livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Facts are verifiable. The existence or non-existence of a deity that evades attempts to detect it could make it unverifiable.

                2. aguasilver profile image86
                  aguasilverposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  "You seem to think that people cannot speak about knowledge learned, experiences gained or wisdom discerned, or opinions or even facts?"

                  Genuine confusion here, what's the difference between what you said and what PC said, his decision (right or wrong) was based upon "knowledge learned, experiences gained or wisdom discerned, or opinions or even facts?"?

                  1. Pcunix profile image89
                    Pcunixposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Cags often disagrees with me.  Even when he doesn't :-)

                    No, seriously, maybe he thought I was raised by atheist parents?  I dunno..

                  2. Cagsil profile image61
                    Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    As per usually Aqua, you make no sense. You're pulling my statement made to someone else and applying it to something someone else said.

                    Talk about irrational action.

                3. kess profile image60
                  kessposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Have you done or doing anything different from this?

                  This is the way all operate ....in case you have not seen....

                  Me will do as they see and this sight  of their eyes form the basis of their belief...

                  1. Cagsil profile image61
                    Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    lol lol

                    Kess, you must enjoy reading your own posts. lol

        2. A Thousand Words profile image79
          A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You act as though belief is a bad word. I don't believe it is. wink

          Life is extremely subjective, as much as we'd like to think that we can be objective, we may be able to be so, but only to a certain degree. Is this true, I certainly believe so, based on my past experiences, and what I have observed, etc.

          I think the important thing to consider is that there's a degree to which we can't help but approach life subjectively, what anyone thinks is a fact or undeniable truth may indeed be so, or may not be so. And the evidence presented may be seen as sufficient, or not seen as sufficient. Why do scientists disagree? Why do religious members of the same religion disagree? Why does anyone disagree with anyone else (what are reasons that disagreement on an issue could even be possible)?

          As an individual, I can only say something I believe to be true based on experiences and what I have found to be good evidence to support it. (But do you see the subjectiveness in that?)

          What one sees as wisdom in the East, one might see as folly in the West,and vice versa. Why?

          The debate on whether there is or isn't a God will forever persist. Why? We see what we wish to see and find what we wish to find. A man starting with the notion that there is a god, and is convinced that he will find god if he looks for him, will probably "find him." A man who starts with the idea that there is no god, or that his existence is unknowable, and sees everything from a natural point of view would not be easily persuaded of his existence... no matter what "proof" the believer in god might try to throw his way, because of the nature of that proof.(Subjectiveness)

          Sure there are facts like George Washington was the first President of the United States. But, we're talking about something quite different here.

          (I didn't spend as much time on this post as I would've liked, but I have errands to run.)

          1. Cagsil profile image61
            Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Yet again, your perception fails you.
            Again, another skewed perception.
            Apparently you've not learned enough. lol
            You apparently love your skewed perception. Facts are facts as they are establish. Truth is truth as which is understood it is to be universal.
            Of course, it completely depends on honesty and dishonesty.
            The rest of this post is useless.

            1. A Thousand Words profile image79
              A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Garsh, I love forums, but those errands call to me.

              Quick response.

              The first thing I should've done was address this from your first post.

              "I hold very few beliefs due to the fact that life is ever changing and beliefs are to change as well. Those who maintain a belief, don't understand life."

              So apparently, you DO have beliefs, good sir. And you must hold some, since that's what you said, which means you don't have a good understanding of life? Of course it doesn't mean that...

              And of course beliefs change. Which is again why I said what I was talking about didn't have to be anything concrete.

              I don't believe the same things I believed a month ago.

              I have this feeling, though, that a conversation with you would probably go on endlessly. You like putting people down and you think you just have this perfect perception of life and how things work so no matter what someone says, if it's not how you see things, it's wrong.

              (Do you see the subjectiveness?)

              1. Cagsil profile image61
                Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Ah..a twister of words. You must like word play. Good show on you.

                No, I understand life. I hold beliefs long enough to change the belief. Duh? Life changes, therefore the beliefs must change.

                I hold meaningless beliefs, such as I did hold a belief that the Boston RedSox would Win the World Series. When that belief was no longer necessary, then I dropped it. Got it?
                A conversation with me would be endless considering there's an endless number of things to talk about. So what's your point?
                Interesting assessment, even though it's brought on by a skewed perception, which is why you see things as you do.
                Some things are subjective yes. There's no doubt with that. However, there's a lot that isn't.

                1. A Thousand Words profile image79
                  A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  I meant more that having a conversation with you is like talking to a wall. 

                  My point is that EVERYONE has beliefs... including you. It is your belief that beliefs should constantly change because this is what life has taught you and you believe there's a enough evidence to support such a claim. Subjectivity in play. I could just as easily make an argument for how beliefs should stay the same and find evidence that I and many other people may find sufficient enough for this to be true. However I don't believe that.

                  You seem to think that somehow I am disagreeing with your statement that beliefs do and should change. If you were actually reading my comments you would see that I am not disagreeing with you there. 

                  You would have also seen that I didn't tell you that you didn't understand life. I was using irony, and after the statement I said of course that's not true, ie I was implying that of course you have some understanding of life... I swear people in forums always skip over things that people write because they're ready to tell them they're wrong.

                  1. livelonger profile image87
                    livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Bingo! lol

                  2. Cagsil profile image61
                    Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Interesting statement. roll Considering we've not talked before this point.
                    Yes, everyone has some sort of beliefs. But, what exactly are the beliefs is a different matter. YOU don't get to choose what someone says is a belief.

    2. mischeviousme profile image61
      mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      So you're a nihilist? Just a question... I'm trying to learn about sociology by attempting to guage what makes people think the way they do. But this will only affirm certain universal truths for my self.

  6. paradigmsearch profile image90
    paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. -Thomas Jefferson

  7. calpol25 profile image77
    calpol25posted 5 years ago

    I believe in Santa Claus, The Tooth Fairy and Chihuahua wrestling smile

    1. GoldenBird profile image60
      GoldenBirdposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lol

    2. calpol25 profile image77
      calpol25posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      What do you think? smile lol lol

      http://www.paghat.com/empireofthechihuahua/chi-wrestlers.jpg

  8. Jean Bakula profile image93
    Jean Bakulaposted 5 years ago

    Cagsil, where are you when the Jehovah's Witnesses are knocking at my door? My views keep changing too, which is logical, as life keeps changing.

  9. Druid Dude profile image60
    Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago

    I believe that "God" has a value. For God to be God, the value is "E" as in E=MC2. In a nutshell.

    1. rbe0 profile image61
      rbe0posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      God has no finite value, god is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end.

      Simple mathematics states that negative and positive infinity are interchangeable in any mathematical equation and that equation will remain true.

      Mathematics is the closest thing we have to an accurate description of our universe.

    2. livelonger profile image87
      livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      And E=42

      1. Jean Bakula profile image93
        Jean Bakulaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy meaning of life?

        1. livelonger profile image87
          livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yup! tongue

          1. A Thousand Words profile image79
            A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            One of my favorite movies of all time. (Haven't read the book)

      2. MelissaBarrett profile image59
        MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        A Douglas Adams reference!  You are so wicked cool.

        You start quoting Monty Python and I swear to God I'm coming to SF to try to get you to switch teams.

        1. livelonger profile image87
          livelongerposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          lol

        2. mischeviousme profile image61
          mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The salmon af truth was ok, but I only read 2 books of the hitchhyker series. Good ole doug was a good writer and his books are awesome.

  10. glendoncaba profile image81
    glendoncabaposted 5 years ago

    I believe that we are not cosmic accidents.  I believe that there is a God who orders the universe and he has sent Jesus Christ to teach us how to love in a fallen world and to give us hope of a better world.  I believe that this forum is dominated by atheists and agnostics therefore statements will be attacked relentlessly.  Oh...wait...I believe that it is possible to live a wholesome life by following biblical principles of health and happiness.

    1. A Thousand Words profile image79
      A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Christians do the same thing in forums... It's better to say that people who are passionate on their views, and sometimes not in the best way,  attack people's statements relentlessly. But, now I remember why I haven't been in a forum in 3 months. Because the conversations often go nowhere.

      1. GoldenBird profile image60
        GoldenBirdposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Good evening A Thousand Words.

        I have been following this thread. I believe you have a gift for understanding human beings. I appreciate that.

        These forums are actually quite a good place for communication. But we have one or two abusers who frequent them from their asylums. You must know at least one of them. Remember last night?

        Hubbers are actually good people. But as we know: even a drop of acid can make a glass of water undrinkable. I believe it's best not to answer them at all. It's good to have you on hubpages.  smile

        1. A Thousand Words profile image79
          A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Well, thanks, GoldenBird. To me it's a curse, though...

  11. paradigmsearch profile image90
    paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

    http://www.motivationalmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/kindness.jpg

    1. Cagsil profile image61
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      And what happens during the time where practice is over and done with on those random acts of kindness?

      Oh yeah, the really mean spirited ones repent and are forgiven, so their one random act of kindness leads them down the path of righteous. lol

  12. profile image69
    paarsurreyposted 5 years ago

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.

    1. A Thousand Words profile image79
      A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Very cool, Ahmadi. smile

      1. profile image69
        paarsurreyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        English is not my mother tongue. Sorry.

        I don't exactly understand what you mean by cool; please elaborate.

        1. A Thousand Words profile image79
          A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          It simply means that I like the idea that you are a peaceful muslim.

          1. A Troubled Man profile image60
            A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            LOL! He will soon prove to you that is an entire falsehood.

  13. jainismus profile image77
    jainismusposted 5 years ago

    I am a Jain, a follower of Jainism. Jainism is one of the most oldest religions in the world.

  14. profile image0
    Muldaniaposted 5 years ago

    I've given up trying to know what I believe.  I often call myself an atheist, yet I pray to God.  I tend not to believe when people tell me of their psychic experiences, even though I have had several myself.  I listen to the likes of Richard Dawkins, because their science offers the best answers for the origins of life, yet I am left feeling that this picture is somehow incomplete.  I dislike religious fundamentalism, yet recognise that fundamentalism exists amongst atheists as well.  Perhaps it would be best to combine science and spirituality in a new ideology, but what form this would take, I've no idea.  I have decided that for myself, that I will no longer cling to one belief, but will try to be open to whatever ideas are available.  Even science seems to change its certainties.

    1. mischeviousme profile image61
      mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You ever watch southpark? There is an episode in which cartman freezes himself and ends up in the future, where people are saying things like "Science D#@$n you" and what not. It's a pretty funny and offensive show at the same time.

  15. wavegirl22 profile image47
    wavegirl22posted 5 years ago

    In reference to livelonger



    if he does start quoting Monty Python I dont really care but if you do start that trek to SF Im traveling with you!

    1. mischeviousme profile image61
      mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Whatever. If you wanna believe that we will be subserviant to robots one day. I totally would believe it is possible and I'd talk with you about star wars and whatever. I try to be an everyperson, in some way or another.

      I empathize with people, because I like them and I think it's good to talk and argue. As long as it can remain somewhat civil in as many aspects as possible. It's a good thing to debate, because both sides may learn something and be better for it.

 
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