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  1. daeemomin profile image60
    daeemominposted 7 years ago

    The first thing that one should know and clearly understand about Islam is what the word "Islam" itself means. The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of Christianity which was named after Jesus Christ, Buddhism after Gotama Buddha, Confucianism after Confucius, and Marxism after Karl Marx. Nor was it named after a tribe like Judaism after the tribe of Judah and Hinduism after the Hindus. Islam is the true religion of "Allah" and as such, its name represents the central principle of Allah's "God's" religion; the total submission to the will of Allah "God". The Arabic word "Islam" means the submission or surrender of one's will to the only true god worthy of worship "Allah" and anyone who does so is termed a "Muslim", The word also implies "peace" which is the natural consequence of total submission to the will of Allah. Hence, it was not a new religion brought by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) I in Arabia in the seventh century, but only the true religion of Allah re-expressed in its final form.
    Islam is the religion which was given to Adam, the first man and the first prophet of Allah, and it was the religion of all the prophets sent by Allah to mankind. The name of God's religion lslam was not decided upon by later generations of man. It was chosen by Allah Himself and clearly mentioned in His final revelation to man. In the final book of divine revelation, the Qur'aan, Allah states the following:
    "This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion". (Soorah Al-Maa'idah 5:3)

    "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah (God) never will It be accepted of Him" (Soorah Aal'imraan 3:85)

    "Abraham was not a Jew nor Christian; but an upright Muslim." (Soorah Aal'imraan 3:67)

    Nowhere in the Bible will you find Allah saying to Prophet Moses' people or their descendants that their religion is Judaism, nor to the followers of Christ that their religion is Christianity. In fact, Christ was not even his name, nor was it Jesus! The name "Christ" comes from the Greek word Christos which means the annointed. That is, Christ is a Greek translation of the Hebrew title "Messiah". The name "Jesus" on the other hand, is a latinized version of the Hebrew name Esau.
    For simplicity's sake, I will however continue to refer to Prophet Esau (PBUH) as Jesus. As for his religion, it was what he called his followers to. Like the prophets before him, he called the people to surrender their will to the will of Allah; (which is Islam) and he warned them to stay away from the false gods of human imagination.
    According to the New Testament, he taught his followers to pray as follows: "Yours will be done on earth as it is in Heaven".

    Since the total submission of one's will to Allah represents the essence of worship, the basic message of Allah's divine religion, Islam is the worship of Allah alone and the avoidance of worship directed to any person, place or thing other than Allah.Since everything other than Allah, the Creator of all things, is Allah's creation; it may be said that Islam, in essence calls man away from the worship of creation and invites him to worship only its Creator. He is the only one deserving man's worship as it is only by His will that prayers are answered. If man prays to a tree and his prayers are answered, it was not the tree which answered his prayers but Allah who allowed the circumstances prayed for to take place. One might say, "That is obvious," however, to tree-worshippers it might not be. Similarly, prayers to Jesus, Buddha, or Krishna, to Saint Christopher, or Saint Jude or even to Muhammad, are not answered by them but are answered by Allah. Jesus did nottell his followers to worship him but to worship Allah. As the Qur'aan states:
    "And behold Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary Did you say to men, Worship me and my mother as gods besides Allah He will say-"Glory to you I could never say what I had no right (to say')" (Soorah Al-Maa'idah- 5:116)

    Nor did he worship himself when he worshipped but rather he worshipped Allah. This basic principle is enshrined in the opening chapter of the Qur'aan, known as Soorah Al-Faatihah, verse 4:
    "You alone do we worship and from you alone do we seek help".
    Elsewhere, in the final book of revelation, the Qur'aan, Allah also said:

    "And your Lord says:"Call on Me and I will answer your(prayer)."(Soorsh Mu'min 40:60)

    it is worth noting that the basic message of Islam is that Allah and His creation are distinctly different entities. Neither is Allah His creation or a part of it, nor is His creation Him or a part of Him.
    This might seem obvious, but, man's worship of creation instead of the Creator is to a large degree based on ignorance of this concept. It is the belief that the essence of Allah is everywhere in His creation or that His divine being is or was present in some aspects of His creation, which has provided justification for the worship of creation though such worship maybecalled the worship of Allah through his creation. How ever, the message of Islam as brought by the prophets of Allah is to worship only Allah and to avoid the worship of his creation either directly or indirectly. In the Our'aan Allah clearlystates:
    "For We assuredly sent amongst every people a prophet,(with the command) worship meand avoid false gods " (Soorsh Al-Nahl 16:36)

    When the idol worshipper is questioned as to why he or she bows down to idols created by men, the invariable reply is that they are not actually worshipping the stone image, but Allah who is present within it. They claim that the stone idol is only a focal point for Allah's essence and is not in itself Allah! One who has accepted the concept of the presence of God's being within His creation in any way will be obliged to accept this argument of idolatry. Whereas, one who understands the basic message of Islam and its implications would never concede to idolatry no matter how it is rationalized. Those who have claimed divinity for themselves down through the ages have often based their claims on the mistaken belief that Allah is present in man. They merely had to assert that although Allah according to their false beliefs, is in all of us, He is more present in them than in the rest of us. Hence, they claim, we should submit our will to them and worship them as they are either God in person or God concentrated within the person.
    Similarly, those who have asserted the godhood of others after their passing have found fertile ground among those who accept the false belief of God's presence in man. One who has grasped the basic message of Islam and its implications could never agree to worship another human being under any circumstances. God's religion in essence is a clear call to the worship of the Creator and the rejection of creation-worship in any form. This is the meaning of the motto of Islam:
    "Laa Elaaha lllallaah" (There is no god but Allah)
    Its repetition automatically brings one within the fold of Islam and sincere belief in it guarantees one Paradise.
    Thus, the final Prophet of Islam is reported to have said, "Any one who says: There is no god but Allah and dies holding that (belief) will enter paradise".(Reported by Abu Dharr and collected by Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim).

    It consists in the submission to Allah as one God, yielding to Him by obeying His commandments, and the denial of polytheism and polytheists.

    There are so many sects, cults, religions, philosophies, and movements in the world, all of which claim to be the right way or the only true path to Allah. How can one determine which one is correct or if, in fact, all are correct? The method by which the answer can be found is to clear away the superficial differences in the teachings of the various claimants to the ultimate truth, and identify the central object of worship to which they call, directly or indirectly. False religions all have in common one basic concept with regards to Allah. They either claim that all men are gods or that specific men were Allah or that nature is Allah or that Allah is a figment of man's imagination.
    Thus, it may be stated that the basic message of false religion is that Allah may be worshipped in the form of His creation. False religion invites man to the worship of creation by calling the creation or some aspect of it God. For example, prophet Jesus invited his followers to worship Allah but those who claim to be his followers today call people to worship Jesus, claiming that he was Allah!
    Buddha was a reformer who introduced a number of humanistic principles to the religion of India. He did not claim to be God nor did he suggest to his followers that he be an object of worship. Yet, today most Buddhists who are to be found outside of India have taken him to be God and prostrate to idols made in their perception of his likeness.
    By using the principle of identifying the object of worship, false religion becomes very obvious and the contrived nature of their origin clear. As God said in the Our'aan:
    That which you worship besides Him are only names you and your forefathers have invented for which Allah has sent down no authority: The command belongs only to Allah:
    He has commanded that you only worship Him; that is the right religion, but most men do not understand ". (Soorah Yoosuf 12:40)

    It may be argued that all religions teach good things so why should it matter which one we follow. The reply is that all false religions teach the greatest evil, the worship of creation. Creation-worship is the greatest sin that man can commit because it contradicts the very purpose of his creation. Man was created to worship Allah alone as Allah has explicitly stated in the Our'aan:
    "I have only created Jlnns and men, that they may worship me"(Soorah Zaareeyaat 51:56)

    Consequently, the worship of creation, which is the essence of idolatry, is the only unforgivable sin. One who dies in this state of idolatry has sealed his fate in the next life. This is not an opinion, but a revealed fact stated by Allah in his final revelation to man:
    "Verily Allah will not forgive the joining of partners with Him, but He may forgive (sins) less than that for whom so ever He wishes"(Soorah An- Nisaa 4:48 and 116)


    Since the consequences of false religion are so grave, the true religion of Allah must be universally understandable and attainable, not confined to any people, place or time. There can not be conditions like baptism, belief in a man, as a saviour etc., for a believer to enter paradise. Within the central principle of Islam and in its definition, (the surrender of one's will to God) lies the roots of lslam's universality. Whenever man comes to the realization that Allah is one and distinct from His creation, and submits himself to Allah, he becomes a Muslim in body and spirit and is eligible for paradise. Thus, anyone at anytime in the most remote region of the world can become a Muslim, a follower of God's religion, Islam, by merely rejecting the worship of creation and by turning to Allah (God) alone-It should be noted however, that the recognition of and submission to Allah requires that one chooses between right and wrong and such a choice implies accountability. Man will be held responsible for his choices, and, as such, he should try his utmost to do good and avoid evil. The ultimate good being the worship of Allah alone and the ultimate evil being the worship of His creation along with or instead of Allah. This fact is expressed in the final revelation as follows:
    "Verily those who believe, those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures), the Christians and the Sabians any who believe In Allah and the last day, and work righteousness *hall have their reward with their Lord;They will not be overcome by fear nor grief (Soorah Al-Baqarah 2:62).

    If only they had stood by the law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There Is from among them a party on the right course; but many of them follow a course that Is evil.". (Soorah Al-.Maa'idah 5:66)


    The question which arises here is, "How can all people be expected to believe in Allah given their varying- backgrounds, societies and cultures? For people to be responsible for worshipping Allah they all have to have access to knowledge of Allah. The final revelation teaches that all mankind have the recognition of Allah imprinted on their souls, a part of their very nature with which they are created.
    In Soorah Al-A'raaf, Verses 172-173; Allah explained that when He created Adam, He caused all of Adam's descendants to come into existence and took a pledge from them saying, Am I not your Lord? To which they all replied, " Yes, we testify to It:'
    Allah then explained why He had all of mankind bear witness that He is their creator and only true God worthy of worship. He said, "That was In case you (mankind) should say on the day of Resurrection, "Verily we were unaware of all this." That is to say, we had no idea that You Allah, were our God. No one told us that we were only supposed to worship You alone. Allah went on to explain That it was also In case you should say, "Certainly It was our ancestors who made partners (With Allah) and we are only their descendants; will You then destroy us for what those liars did?" Thus, every child is born with a natural belief in Allah and an inborn inclination to worship Him alone called in Arabic the "Fitrah".
    If the child were left alone, he would worship Allah in his own way, but all children are affected by those things around them, seen or unseen.
    The Prophet (PBUH) reported that Allah said, "I created my servants in the right religion but devils made them go astray". The Prophet (PBUH) also said, "Each child is born in a state of "Fitrah", then his parents make him a Jew, Christian or a Zoroastrian, the way an animal gives birth to a normal offspring. Have you noticed any that were born mutilated?" (Collected by Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim).
    So, just as the child submits to the physical laws which Allah has put in nature, his soul also submits naturally to the fact that Allah is his Lord and Creator. But, his parents try to make him follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early stages of his life to resist or oppose the will of his parents. The religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and Allah does not hold him to account or punish him for this religion.

    Throughout people's lives from childhood until the time they die, signs are shown to them in all regions of the earth and in their own souls, until it becomes clear that there is only one true God (Allah). If the people are honest with themselves, reject their false gods and seek Allah, the way will be made easy for them but if they continually reject Allah's signs and continue to worship creation, the more difficult it will be for them to escape. For example, in the South Eastern region of the Amazon jungle in Brazil, South America, a primitive tribe erected a new hut to house their main idol Skwatch, representing the supreme God of all creation. The homage to the God, and while he was in prostration to what he had been taught was his Creator and Sustainer, a mangy old flea-ridden dog walked into the hut, The young man looked up in time to see the dog lift its hind leg and pass urine on the idol. Outraged, the youth chased the dog out of the temple, but when his rage died down he realized that the idol could not be the Lordof the universe. Allah must be elsewhere. he now had a choice to act on his knowledge and seek Allah, or to dishonestly go along with the false beliefs of his tribe. As strange as it may seem, that was a sign from Allah for that young man. It contained within it divine guidance that what he was worshipping was false.
    Prophets were sent, as was earlier mentioned, to every nation and tribe to support man's natural belief in Allah and man's inborn inclination to worship Him as well as to reinforce the divine truth in the daily signs revealed by Allah. Although, in most cases, much of the prophets' teachings became distorted, portions remained which point out right and wrong. For example, the ten commandments of the Torah, their confirmation in the Gospels and the existence of laws against murder, stealing and adultery in most societies. Consequently, every soul will be held to account for its belief in Allah and its acceptance of the religion of Islam; the total submission to the will of Allah.
    We pray to Allah, the exalted, to keep us on the right path to which He has guided us, and to bestow on us a blessing from Him, He is indeed the Most Merciful. Praise and gratitude be to Allah,the Lord of the worlds, and peace and blessings be on prophet Muhammed, his Family, his companions, and those who rightly follow them.
    Author: Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips

  2. aka-dj profile image79
    aka-djposted 7 years ago

    If you truly understood the teaching of Jesus, the Bible, both old testament and New, you would realise that many of the statements that you ( and the author you quote) make are inaccurate.
    Just a few examples,
    1) the whole foundation of Christianity is based on the ressurection of Jesus.(something that    Islam denies).
    2) Jesus did not call his follwers christians, non-believers at Antioch called them that, many years after He left earth.
    3) Your explanation of Christ is accurate, but Jesus=Esau is not. Jesus is Greek version of Joshua, or Jehoshua, meaning "deliverer, or saviour" which is consistent with His identity/nature/character and mission.

    1. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Islam excepts Jesus as a great Prophet.They the religions are brothers and the same.Its foolish man and his big ego and lack of understanding which creates a divide. smile

  3. Thinkaboutit77 profile image78
    Thinkaboutit77posted 7 years ago

    The world doesn't need another "messenger" it needs a Saviour and God has provided Him.

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Are you God?

    2. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Whats the difference between a messenger ,a saviour or a prophet-different names thats all. :")

  4. aka-dj profile image79
    aka-djposted 7 years ago

    Just one more point I wish to raise.
    If I understood your writing, (please coorect me if I misunderstood you), Allah has mercy on whomever he wishes. Sin can be forgiven, or not forgiven, based on his will.
    The God of the Bible states, that "all men are sinners" and worthy of death, as punishment.
    I know a lot of people (vehemently) oppose this statement, but I will leave that with them.
    "The wages of sin is death" (Romans 2;23)
    Instead of getting all upset, trying to discredit this statement, abusing those that utter the same, one needs to keep reading. The second part  says "but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord"
    Islam,I'm sure, holds to the idea of "law", yes?
    See, Romans 6;23 is a law. A spiritual law.
    Jesus is our "sacrificial lamb" if you will. He died the death we deserved.
    Now we have a situation, where (our) God sentences all man(kind) to death for sin, BUT, he accepted the (sacrificial) death of Jesus (one sin-less man) as a substitute for us. So, that means that eternal life is a gift, because I did not deserve it, but accepted it (by faith).
    It's a covenant that God made. And He keeps His covenant.

    1. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Death is the door to God.One must die and be reborn.Death is not understood and is looked upon as bad by some-. eternal life happens or is achievable on death.
      Death is my friend,
      Where there is no trend.

      Why fear,it is really near.

  5. AEvans profile image73
    AEvansposted 7 years ago

    O.K. everyone WWJD? He would listen and not judge I am Christian too but everyone is entitled to share there opinions and beliefs. Some of you may get upset with me however the Qur'aan is written  and parts of the information he states is clear and concise. As we all worship God we do not worship Jesus, as Jesus was the son of God as we are taught we as Christians should go in with open minds and pray before we write as God certainly would not want us to offend others but to understand and reply as a Child of God would do. I have read the Qur'aan as I have friends who are muslim and it says exactly in so many ways, what the holy bible says. So my recommendation is to study other religions before you make comment after all WWJD? He certainly would not be condescending and would not come back with any derogatory , he would ask questions and lead , not turn the other cheek.

    aka-dj I commend you for standing up to your religion and beliefs as we as Christians do it and you are as well entitled, I am glad that you are sharing your valuable information as many of us are not close-minded about religion but are open-minded and respect others opinions and beliefs. We can only lead others to GOD by being like God and it is a hard thing to do.

    1. aka-dj profile image79
      aka-djposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I certainly do respect other people's beliefs. Everyone has their own free will to believe what  so ever they want. My "job" is to put the Word of God out there. The rest is up the them and where they are in their own relationship with God.
      The book of Romans 10; 13-17 teaches that we need to declare the Word, because hearing(reading) it brings faith.
      The other thing I include in my ptost, (or at least try  to include) is all the conviction I have. I know in Whom I have believed, and like(?) Paul, I speak.

      1. AEvans profile image73
        AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        You are absolutely entitled to as some of my closest friends are muslim and I respect them and have came to realize so many positive things about the religion. The muslim religion gets a bad name due to the extremists , however on the other hand Christians get a bad name as there are so many branches and can be very irritating when others place us all in one hat. It is your job to put the word out there as that is what GOD would have you do , and hopefully somebody or someone will take the time to listen, acknowledge with an open mind and not be severly opinionated. smile God Bless

    2. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      I have read the Qur'aan as I have friends who are muslim and it says exactly in so many ways, what the holy bible says.
      This is absolutely correct.
      So my recommendation is to study other religions before you make comment after all WWJD?
      I am totally with you here.I said this before one must study all the religions in order to really understand God and his prophets.All religions are good.smile

  6. dingdong profile image60
    dingdongposted 7 years ago

    I wonder if people have enough patience to read such long forum posts!!! mad

    1. daeemomin profile image60
      daeemominposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      there are people who are interested in serious things.

  7. AEvans profile image73
    AEvansposted 7 years ago

    dindong, My patience can wear thin, but I used to be one of those lengthy people so I believe it is coming back hehe!!!smile):

  8. VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA profile image61
    VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 7 years ago

    All religions are good. Their followers differ. Every religion is weighed on the basis of followers..

    1. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Correct its foolish ego and lack of knowledge when someone claims his religion is the only true religion and the best.
      A hub which will help humanity understand religions

      1. daeemomin profile image60
        daeemominposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        there should be regard for the followers of every religion. but the statement that all religions are true, is not correct.because there are major differences between religions.
        there was only one religion sent by God.all messenger invited their people to that only way. and that way is total submission to God. people made changes and distortions in their religions. So finally God  sent the last messenger and he was prophet muhammed (peace be upone him). islam means total submission to one God.

        1. mohitmisra profile image59
          mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Yes but get the bottom line- One God. The essence in every religions is identical -did you read my poem religions ? Mohammed was a messenger like Jesus or the Buddha exactly the same.
          there was only one religion sent by God-this is a strange statement-all religions are paths to god.There have been many masters and prophets-enlightened ones who have helped show others the way.This way is defined as religion :

          1. daeemomin profile image60
            daeemominposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            you say that there is one God and He is showing different paths.Guiding some people to north and some others to south...If God is one how can there be different religions and ways of life conflicting each other. there has to be one true religion along with so many deviated religions

            1. Mark Knowles profile image59
              Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              Exactly. You are proving that there is no god.

              If there is a god - how on earth can there be different religions? lol

              Ergo - there is no god.

              1. daeemomin profile image60
                daeemominposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                The conclusion you are drawing from my statement is utterly wrong. Existence of different religions doesn’t mean that there exists no God. God has guided people towards the right way of life. People did not find it according to their desires and they are corrupted the teaching of their prophets so He sent the last messenger who teaching are not distorted. It rather proves the existence of God that whenever people went astray He sent His messengers to show them the right path.

                1. Ben Bush profile image59
                  Ben Bushposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  I realize that the human tendency is to judge a religion by its followers.

                  But what about judging each religion's God or gods?

                  1. daeemomin profile image60
                    daeemominposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    Religion can not be judged on the basis of its followers.you must see its teachings.

                    There is only one God.so many gods cannot run this universe smoothly. if there exist more than one God there would be no harmony in the universe.

                  2. daeemomin profile image60
                    daeemominposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    there is no such thing as each religion's god. there is only one God. but you can say that people have associated so many things with God.
                    you can judge the concept of God is each religion. this concept varies from religion to relgion. One is pure concept which suits the reason. and other concepts are man-made.

                2. Mark Knowles profile image59
                  Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                  No, the conclusion I am drawing is a reasonable one given your original statement.

                  As with all other representatives of any religion, you are claiming that yours is the correct one and all the others are wrong. And you are using the same argument that the christians use to point out that it is wrong:

                  That it came later lol

                  People have been making up "the right way," according to their desires since the first religion.

                  Why on earth should yours be any different?

                  Ergo - there is no god, and no prophets speak in His name.

                  1. daeemomin profile image60
                    daeemominposted 7 years ago in reply to this

                    It is not that my religion is Islam so I want to prove that it is correct. Rather the fact is that after the in-depth study I found that it is the only true religion. That is why I am following it.
                    Yes everyone claims that his religion is correct. But it doesn’t mean that all of them are wrong. There has to be any one of them who is right.
                    1. We all agree that there must be a creator and sustainer of this universe.
                    2. We also agree that we are in need of His guidance to know the correct way of life.
                    No religion disagree these two statements. Then how come you draw the conclusion that there is no God. We don’t differ on His existence. The only difference between us is which way is His way.

                    You said: “you are using the same argument that the Christians use to point out that it is wrong:

                    That it came later” yes there argument is a right argument. But they use this argument in relation with Judaism not in connection with Islam.
                    It is not only that Islam came later but also that those scripture which are said to be revealed from God are not in their original form except Quran. There are so many versions of Bible. Moreover, bible in its original language is not there. We find only translations of Bible. You can not cite any slightest difference in Quran. Quran is available in its original language.

            2. mohitmisra profile image59
              mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              please read-knowledge leads to understanding which leads to peace whic leads to love which is the basic fabric of this universe or God.
              All Religions guide to the same one God and not in opposite directions.

    2. daeemomin profile image60
      daeemominposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      religion is not weighed on the basis of its followers. religion is weighed on the basis of its teachings.poeple may claim to follow a religion but they may not be pracising it.

      1. AEvans profile image73
        AEvansposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        I definitely agree with you on this one.smile

  9. dingdong profile image60
    dingdongposted 7 years ago

    daeemomin is a troll, and such lengthy posts make no sense smile

    1. daeemomin profile image60
      daeemominposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      it makes sense for those who are not  nonsence.

      1. VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA profile image61
        VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Lengthy posts can never make sense... Our aim should be to make our point reach others.  Longer posts will create impatience.. it is also not necessary. We can reproduce the same points in a precise, objective yet effective posts. My dear Mr.daeemomin takes much strain to emphasize his points. Please be precise. I appreciate his commitment to his religion. Goodluck.

        1. dingdong profile image60
          dingdongposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          Too late for an explanation smile You should know daeemomin is doing the same in other threads, especially in every initial post. Anyway, it's nice you tried it big_smile

          1. VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA profile image61
            VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Ms.dingdong, I am noticing it from the beginning. I thought it would change; but it continues. So I tried to point it out now. Nothing wrong in it. "Think before you act" is my policy.

            1. dingdong profile image60
              dingdongposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              I didn't say anything against you, well you can understand if you re-read my messages. I'm just wondering if daeemomin would take time to see this and all. Am I right? smile

  10. VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA profile image61
    VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 7 years ago

    If teachings are good, people will follow. There is no need to differentiate between teachings and followers. Someone says that there is only one God... and he is.... Here lies the roots for religious hatred. Failure to recognise the existence of other religions will end in the enemity towards  their own religion. Please do not compel other religions to create enemity towards your religion.. Everyone has a right to live in this world as also every religion.

    The perfect answer to these religious troubles is Atheism... Mr. Mark Knowles, am I correct?

    1. daeemomin profile image60
      daeemominposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      The theory that if the teachings are good, people will follow is not totally correct. It happens that many times our conscious says that some thing is wrong but we don’t abstain from it. And many times we know that we should do some thing but we don’t do. Why?
      Quran answers this question. God says: “By the soul and the proportion and order given to it; and its inspiration as to its wrong and its right. Truly he succeeds who purifies it, and he fails that corrupts it. (Chapter91: verses 7-10)
      It is a universally accepted principle that man should tell the truth and abstain from telling lies. All religions have taught this principle. But how many people follow it? So it is not necessary that if the teachings are good, people will follow.

      Islam says that there is only one God. I find this reasonable and tell this to all. It doesn’t mean that I don’t recognize the existence of other religions. I de facto recognize their existence.
      The root of religious hatred is not telling the truth. Religious hatred comes when you want to impose your religion on others by force.
      Religion is for man and man is not for religion. So if you are convinced that a particular will solve humanity’s problems, call them towards it. But don’t impose any religion on other only because it is your religion.
      Atheism is not a part of answer. It is a part of the problem.

      1. VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA profile image61
        VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Most of Mr.daeemomin's comments are gems. He recognises all other religions... how sweet it is to hear? He also says that a religion should not be imposed on others. Telling the truth will in no way solve problelms, as long as religious madness persists. We are not concerned about those who do not follow the religious principles.. only those who accept and follow it.
        Atheism may be part of the problem.. but that will solve all other problems.

        1. daeemomin profile image60
          daeemominposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          What is religious madness? Is it telling the truth or inviting people to discuss which religion can solve their problems or which way of life is better.
          Do you think that spreading lies or believing in nonsense (atheism) will solve problems?
          How can say that atheism will solve problems? What does atheism mean? You believe in no God and you are not accountable to anyone so you do whatever the hell you want to do. This will rather create problems.
          Religion gives a sense of accountability. And this only can solve problems of humanity

          1. mohitmisra profile image59
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Correct relgions are good and give one guidance as to how one should live life.In a survey its was shown that a religious person was more caring and charitable.An atheist  believes he or she can do whatever they want.Yt their time will come it is not possible to force someone to these higher truths.

  11. VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA profile image61
    VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 7 years ago

    Sorry Mr.Mohitmisra and daeemomin, you have both misunderstood me. I am not an atheist.. I go to temple with my family. There is a traditional temple for our family in South India, which we consider as our "heritage" because it was built by my forefathers. Just pronouncing the word atheism does not mean that extent!  If you accuse atheism as nonsense, atheists have many words.. please dont abuse anyone.. just we are discussing. Difference of opinion should not turn as a war of words.  You both are trying to overpower detractors. My policy is "Live and let live". Are atheists not accountable to anyone?  What about Government, rules, laws, customs, tradition, our parents, and above all our own conscience? Religion does not come in these things. I thought of China and Russia when writing about atheism. At least above the surface, these contradictions are not coming to the fore.  But I remain a modest religious man, afraid of my conscience and my God !

    1. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Peace and cool you have family temple. smile I suppose you meant religious madness in the context of someone claiming his to be the only true religion and the only path to God and all other religions are false and do not lead one to God.

    2. daeemomin profile image60
      daeemominposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      What a pity!
      On one hand, you go to temple and on the other hand, you are endorsing atheism. Isn’t it a contradiction?
      This is because you are blindly aping you ancestors and you want to conceal this blindness in the guise of “heritage”. God has bestowed you with a piece of brain so that you can think. You are using this brain to think about all worldly matters. But when it comes to religion, you do not apply your reason and blindly follow the people who too didn’t use their mind in the matter of religion.

      Government, rules, laws, customs, traditions and society mean nothing to wrongdoers.
      Belief in God says that he is present everywhere. You cannot conceal anything from him. If you do any wrong, He will punish you.
      You talk of Government. America destroyed the whole Iraq and Afghanistan in pursuit of weapons of mass destruction, which never existed. Who is going to punish Mr. George Bush?
      If a person destroys the whole nation, what would be his punishment? Any Government or society cannot kill him more then one time.

      As for as human consciousness is concerned, it only suggests what is right and what is wrong. He is not accountable to his consciousness. We see scores of people with their consciousness dead, committing big crimes against humanity.

  12. VENUGOPAL SIVAGNA profile image61
    VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 7 years ago

    Thank you Mr.Mark Knowles.... for your justification of atheism. Let every opinion be accounted for here ! 
    I uttered one word "religious madness" keeping in mind the happenings in my country.  Intolerance.. what is its other name?

    1. dingdong profile image60
      dingdongposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Religions are not responsible for the madness, but maybe indirectly a reason due to people don't understand the religions smile

  13. lionswhelp profile image81
    lionswhelpposted 7 years ago

    I differ in that not all religions are good. Jesus warned we are to follow him because there will be many false religions including those that say they are of Christ. If I remember in history it was Hagar and Ismael who became the foundations for Islam. Isalm was started in the 6th ? century to counter the then Christian Religion of Catholicism. Any Arab who witnessed the bloody works of what was called Christianity would have been throughly turned off by it.

    Abraham was not a Moslem, but Hagar and her son Ismael were visited by the angel and given blessings by God for there own good will and survival. Their children would become a thorn in the flesh to Abraham's decendants from Isaac and Jacob if they did not obey the God of Israel, Jesus Christ. All through the history of Israel we see in the Old Testament a people who were stiff necked and hardheaded and finally lost their blessings as a recognizable nation up to this day. The Jews or Judah have also existed but have been kicked around through persedcution because of their rejection of Jesus Christ. But it is through Araham's seed we shall all be saved and no other, Galatians 3:28-29. That "Seed" is Jesus the Christ in Hebrew he is Yahshua or Joshua the Savior of the World who gave his life for all of us. Cheer up he is coming back to save those that will accept His Commandments,not Buddah's nor Mohammids Revelations 22:7,12-13.

    Though Moslems get a lot of heat from those that say they are Christains, it is because there are plenty of false churches that say they are Christian. Jesus Christ warned us. We are to warn everyone else Jew or Non- Christian for the return of the God of Mercy who will give us true peace on earth. If you expect to go to heaven you are on the wrong page. Yashua the Christ is coming here and will rule for 1,000 years and then Heaven will come down here after Christ has made God the Father's enemies converted Christians followers, See Revelations 19,20,21 & 22.

    ChecK out my new Hub page from the Lionswhelp, It is about what is wrong with the Churches that claim to be followers of Yahshua the Christ.. Many are not, but their are a few that are. Are Moslems confused about Christainity, come and see why? Will Moslems continue to take the heat for 911 or was it inside job by non-Moslems and real Christian haters in disguise as Christians?

    1. mohitmisra profile image59
      mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      How can the Prophet possibly side with only one religion-thats a joke. He is supposed to unite the religions and not create further hatred and lack of understanding than allready is.

      1. mohitmisra profile image59
        mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        Sikhism is founded on the teachings of the last great Prophet this earth witnessed namely Guru Nanak.Followers of Sikhism are Christians ,Muslims and Hindus who believe there is One God,the same for Christians, Muslims or Hindus. :)They worship God together how beautiful. smile

        1. daeemomin profile image60
          daeemominposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          If a person follows Sikhism, he is not a Muslim even if he claims to be a Muslim. Muslim is not by birth, it is by choice.
          Islam is the name some principles. You are a Hindu if you born in a Hindu family. You are Christian if you born in a Christian family. But you are not a Muslim even if you born in a Muslim family until and unless you accept Islamic creed with full content of mind and follow the principles that Islam gives. Islam is an ideology, a system of life, a solution of the problems of the whole mankind.

          1. mohitmisra profile image59
            mohitmisraposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            So is the essence of Hinduism and Christianity -the solution-which is there is only One God however you wish to worship him is your choice.
            Also where Hinduism is considered or rather the Brahmin or knower of Brahma-anyone can become a Brahmin and it is not  by birth but by merit-enlightenment.smile knower of Brahma or God.
            You do agree the same God is worshipped by all Christians, Muslims and Hindu so that makes these religions brother religions.Jevovah,Bhramha and Allah are exactly the same thing. smile

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        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        now that is an enlightened thought! smile

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    sandra rinckposted 7 years ago

    my new title: I am a gnostic poly atheist unorthodoxed jew!  smile

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      fun2hubposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      What do you mean by that?

    2. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      But you still hate dolphins, right? big_smile

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        sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          oh yeah, I forgot.  I meant, I am a gnostic poly atheist unorthodoxed dolphin hating jew!  Thank you!  smile

        1. Misha profile image74
          Mishaposted 7 years ago in reply to this

          What about child molesting? wink

          1. dingdong profile image60
            dingdongposted 7 years ago in reply to this

            Going very long, get an acronymn, Sandra big_smile

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              sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

              hmm...how bout gpauj or maybe ugpaj. yeah! uno-pauj. It's catchy. *wink, wink*.  smile

              1. dingdong profile image60
                dingdongposted 7 years ago in reply to this


  15. Misha profile image74
    Mishaposted 7 years ago

    uno pauj? sounds like meno pause to me big_smile

  16. Mark Knowles profile image59
    Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago

    Jewish Atheist Gnostic Poly Unorthodox Dolphin Hater


    JAG for short.......

    You do realize there are a number of contradictions in here though wink

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      sandra rinckposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      exactly!!!!  smile

  17. dingdong profile image60
    dingdongposted 7 years ago

    I'd like to see them added to dictionaries and wikipedia big_smile

  18. perfumer profile image60
    perfumerposted 7 years ago

    Christianity as a Mystical Fact by Rudolph Steiner is a very good book to read.
    http://books.google.com/books?id=mXYAAA … tical+fact

  19. BDazzler profile image83
    BDazzlerposted 7 years ago

    Hmmm... Well, after reading many of your hubs, forum posts etc. I could conclude that Mark
    1. Exists.
    2. Is Human
    3. Is an engaging and brilliant writer.
    4. Is intelligent, rational, helpful and a vital member of this community.

    Mark has a number of fans.  Many of them also intelligent and helpful. A few however, are real jerks.

    I choose to blame Mark for this. Further more, because Mark and his fans have written things I don't agree with this disturbs my pre-conceived notion about what an intelligent, engaging, rational, helpful vital human should be like.  Furthermore many of the observations of and comments of his fans do not seem consistent with the things I've read that he posted.

    Now, because he is so prolific, I have not read everything he has written, but that's OK, I've read enough to draw the following conclusions:

    1. Mark probably does not really exist.  Since I don't like what he says, he must not.  His "self-evident" existence is not self-evident at all. I mean, I've never really seen him. I haven't heard his voice.  His fans claim he exists, but really I've never had that experience.
    2. Since he does not exist, he can't be a brilliant writer.
    3. The hubs and forum posts that appear to be engaging and brilliant are probably  just random cosmic rays changing the states of bits on the hub pages computer system. Also, some of the fans  of these random cosmic rays probably make up some posts too, primarily to feed their own delusions. 
    4. The intelligence, rationality, helpfulness etc. that I have personally benefited from should not be attributed to Mark at all, but are instead, the results of my projection of my own personal brilliance on the random cosmic rays that result in what simply appear to be helpful writing.

    Furthermore, anybody who actually believes that these random cosmic rays are actually brilliant and rational thought out articles must be childish and silly.

    Now THAT WAS childish and silly (Deliberately so).  But if I honestly not only held that belief but tried to promote it, it would be quite arrogant.

    If you really want the actual medical documentation, I told you,  put the effort into contacting the individuals who have them, these are people I know.. I told you I would help with that. Email me your address and I'll send you the DVDs as many as you want.

    Now, since you don't really exist ... I am silly and childish for engaging with you wink

    1. Mark Knowles profile image59
      Mark Knowlesposted 7 years ago in reply to this

      Nothing "wrong" with childish and silly smile

      Thank you for the "compliments," but there is something I do not understand. Although you have done it in jest, I have had this sort of argument placed in front of me in the past. Usually from some one who believes in a god, and usually coming to the conclusion that I do not exist, therefore it is unreasonable/arrogant/self-centered/whatever of me to reach the conclusion that god does not, because I can only have used the self same logic they have demonstrated. There are no other possible ways to come to this so "self evident" falsehood.   big_smile

      I feel obliged to point out one inherent flaw in the whole thing.

      The things that you have read of mine that have led you to the conclusion that I do not exist were actually written by me.

      There is not an army of people out there claiming that I spoke to them and them alone, and that what I said to them countermands anything I may have said to some one else who has twisted what I said into an aberration. They have the true word of Mark and any other is lying for their own ends.

      And I like to think that the things I have written actually make sense, and do not require a leap of faith to understand.

      I am not god big_smile

      But, if you have some one approach you and tell you that I told them to tell you to do something, you can now contact me directly to see if it is true or not.

      1. BDazzler profile image83
        BDazzlerposted 7 years ago in reply to this

        As you said, it was in jest. And I appreciate that there is nothing wrong with childish and silly.  It is certainly fun!