I'm a little bit confused if what is really our origin if where we really came from. In the bible we came from our great, great grand parents, ADAM and EVE. In the book of EVOLUTION we came from APES. Then there goes REINCARNATION, according to DR. IAN STEVENSON, in his book entitled " TWENTY CASES SUGGESTIVE OF REINCARTION in 1967.
Origins are different based on culture and ideas that are accepted as fact by any individual society.
Where do you think you came from?
rbe0, thanks for the reply, but I mean, in Genesis 1:1 there a scripture says: In the beginning God created heaven and earth ................ so on and so forth, then there goes a man, then ............, but then,I read different books that specify where a man came from. I'm not asking the capability of Gods power but a little clarification of our characteristic as a human being.
Ok so obviously you believe you came from god. Am I right?
Yeah, precisely, and I believe God created me in his image and likeness, just asking and soliciting information regarding EVOLUTION AND REINCARNATION.
Darwin's theory of evolution is no longer widely accepted...
As for the reincarnation thing... It's going to also be a personal belief, same as belief in where your origins are...
Do you think you will be reincarnated?
where we came from is not so important,we shall share our time and experience with our friends,to make up our mind that where go for, that is what we can manage
The Old Testamount existed long before Jesus was born. It was the book of the Jews when there were no Christians. Jews do not take what is in the bible literally since it would mean that humans were only around for 15,000 years.
Evolution, reincarnation and God can exist together. God created evolution. Charles Darwin graduated from Christ's College, Cambridge. Man has a body but is an immortal soul. Socrates taught this hundreds of years before Jesus was born. Socrates was executed for his teachings.
The soul can move from one human body that dies into another one that is born. Before the Jews, Hindus belleived in reincarnation. If there was no soul then people would not be able to reincarnate. The bible taught about reincarnation like when they were asking Jesus what person that he was before.
But a Pope forbid this. A Pope made the holy day the holy day of the sun god, Sunday, the first day of the week instead of the last day of the week. The bible does not say when Jesus was born so they made His birthday the birthday of the sun god. They did this so many people who worshipped the sun god could become Christians and worship the Son of God along with the sun god.
If living beings evolve, then the bible story of god creating adam and eve is clearly false since that would mean we didnt evolve at all and were created as were already are. As for the soul, there is no evidence that such a thing exists.
Reincarnation and a the existance of a soul is kind of debunked the more we learn about how a brain works. It is a known fact that our actions and more importantly our personality is directly affected by our brain. Who we are is a product of our brain, not some soul that noone can see.
Well that last bits true as far as I know.
To conclude..I think we all came from our parents. out parents are from their parents and so on...
Its a recursion.Nobody know the first point
Kahlil Gibran says:
Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.
You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
I agree that nobody knows BUT all the evidence points towards single cell organisms being our earliest ancestors. As for where those came from, abiogenesis attempts to explain that one.
Also God does not have 2 legs and 2 arms. God has no size or shape or location in the physical world just like the soul has no size or shape. Again reincarnation would not be possible without an immortal soul.
Hmmm...but what good would it do us to know where we came from? Would it change us any?
It is not important to know where your body came from. You definitely know where your body is going. It is going back to where it came from, the dirt. But Socrates taught that we are an immortal soul and that is why he taught "Know thyself."
"Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return" (Genesis 3:19)
Simple. It is said in bible or some mystic book or religious book. Fetch a quote from such books and there's our proof.
Yoga is very popular now and even Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton does it. But the postures are only a small part of yoga. Yoga philosophy teaches that man incarnates time and time again and tries to find happiness in worldly pursuits like getting married and having kids.
But it does not work. It says that the very purpose of human life is to learn that we are an immortal soul that is eternal. Then you can have perfect peace and limitless love when you know the soul.
To do this is not something that you learn from a book. It is a matter of raising your consciousness higher and higher. If someone reads 200 books on Buddhism or Christianity does that make them just like Buddha or Jesus? No.
Now it is clear that Buddha learned this from meditation. Where did Jesus learn it from? The bible says that Jesus did no miracles or preaching until after he fasted for 40 days. Now since He is spending no time on food what was He doing? Was he surfing the internet? Was He watching TV? Was He playing video games? Now he did say that you pray in private place away from other people.
If you read about Catholic saints, you learn that they would meditate. A nun asked St Theresa how come she is so good at meditation. She said "what do you think that I am-- a saint?" She did not become a saint until after she died.
That doesn't prove we are immortal....
it doesn't disprove it either...
So far in my life I have been very immortal. Haven't you?
In fact, I can safely say that I have been 100% mortal this entire earth life.
My point was that what he was saying was that his response had nothing to do with my question which was: "how do we know we're immortal?" I assumed his answer was to show me that what he had to say shows we are immortal.
We came from Adam and Eve.
Adam was created by the Lord God Most High. And Eve was created from his side, or rib.
When one realizes that a woman COULD NOT have been the founder/origin of the Human race, then things do not seem as clear as evolutionists would have us believe their lies to be.
Lets face it... it comes down to "CHANCE" or "CREATION".
I see no way chance(evolution), could have brought us to this point. It is absurd to think it is so.
It is a completely fantastic fairy-tale, and to accept evolution as propouded today by the know it alls of science, is to surrender yourself to a faith based belief system which rivals any religion on earth.
It's hilarious reading believers posts on evolution when they have no idea what evolution is all about.
And, that's not a fantastic fairy-tale.
I am well aware of what evolution is. "CHANCE"
And I know that it is not the BS you all spew.
You are going to argue it is not chance?
I don't need to argue what is already well known that you are unaware.
Then how did all of this start?
how did something come from nothing?
Who said anything came from nothing?
An invisible magic being waved his magic hand and it all appeared out of thin space. Isn't that the story you believe?
Look what is true for Mason is true for Mason. It doesn't mean we can all pick on him for not knowing anything about the world, outside of the bible. This is what is to be expected from years of religious indoctrination.
It's not really a matter of Mason not knowing anything about evolution, but the fact that he is dishonestly arguing that evolution is wrong and is bringing up the same old tired pointless and dishonest arguments believers spew that have nothing to do with evolution.
You all are funny.
I was an atheist science freak for most of my life, raised a democrat...
You couldn't have beat me into believing.
Then I took a look without bias.
And scince fails miserably.
But like many others who left the atheist fold of science, I am no good for anything now in your opinion.
It is funny.
Like I said earlier, Vieth was world reknowned for your side and well loved. untill he questioned the ruling logic.
That is the BS you all try to pull on people.
So no biggie.
And watch out Eb, do not blaspheme and tell them their great faith, evolution, is not a fact.
they will burn you at the cross for that.
They are observations and it is how reallity works, especially for the person that enjoys them. Religious or not.
What does science fail at, is it communicating via the internet? Is this another baseless assertion that you are not going to explain?
Also, why do you seem to link science and atheism together? Being scientific is not a requisite of atheism.
Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god. Science is simply a means of testing things methodically.
What do you have against testing things methodically?
If science fails like you say, then does that mean you wont get on a plane?
That's odd, your posts would clearly show you know very little about science or atheism. But, I suspect that's just another false claim on your part like so many others you've made.
I am talking about personal experience. I believe science is concrete and that all creation theory breaks down ath the point of creation. Even physics has a hard time of explaining somethng we have very little understanding of.
People seem to be getting lost in the words and not the context.
Unfortunately, "personal experience" does not stand up to the scrutiny of science.
Perhaps this is because other people use words and grammar in a vague, imprecise and tautological manner.
One has a hard time typing and taking care business. I get distracted alot, between work and my girlfriend, I barely have time to finish half of the things I want to say. Sorry for the bad grammar.
Why do you place your beleifs in Theory alone? Do you know what a theory is? A Scientific Theory??
A scientific theory is something that has been proposed due to surmounting evidence.
A theory is not something that has been proven to be true.
For example, read a bit about Chaos Theory...
Chaos theory is the theory that many theories will never be proven fact, because the "big picture" has not yet come into clear view.
What do you think about chaos theory? Do you place your faith in it?
Not yet. I do understand the chaos theory. One small thing effects something else and that can effect something else.....
But the question on up there ^ ( which I know cannot be answered) is
Where is our origin? Where did we come from? My answer is God created us because something cannot come from nothing. I have written hubs about it. Even Steven Hawkin cannot prove that it is incorrect. The Big Bang thing he wrote about!
So, where did God get the materials to make our universe?
God created them. Ok, now you are going to have fun with me. I have seen this. That is ok. If you don't believe what I believe, we do not have to argue.
Neither one of us is going to convince the other. I hope you have a good day
But, where did he get it, from what materials did he create the universe.
Or, are you saying something came from nothing?
How can you convince anyone of anything when you can't even explain it yourself.
If something cannot come from nothing then surely it is more logical to think that the universe must be infinate?
If it wasnt created from nothing then it must have always been, right?
You cant say in one sentence that something cannot come from nothing and then say that god made something from nothing in the next.
My parents say I came from another unidentified family because I am nothing like them. Sometimes I wish they weren't just kidding.
Jokes aside -
My mother is a devout Christian and I admire her faith. But I believe intelligent design and evolution go hand in hand.
*I* think there is a being (not a HE or a SHE, but an IT) that created the universe we are in. It created man and woman. In the beginning, man was very similar to an ape. Over time, as things evolved, this ape-like creature became an upright, less hairy version of what we are today. Evolution has taken place all through the existence of humanity to get where we are now.
As for the Bible, I do not take it literally. There is proof it is not "complete," but compiled by members of the early church, many, many years after the books were written, and they chose the books they believe were acceptable.
They were MEN. MORTAL men. My mother says they were inspired by God, I say that many men making decisions are inspired by protecting their masculinity.
for me, I've decided that I believe in a being greater than myself and I call it God. I do not believe everything in a book written by men, no more than I believe everything I see on tv. I believe based on my experiences and witnessing and hearing about those of others.
I am not Protestant, Catholic, or Mormon, I'm just Kim Cantrell, a flawed, 30-something middle Tennessee gal who believes in evolution, watches NatGeo Ancient Aliens (and ponders the possibilities), hopes reincarnation allows us to explore another planet after our earthly death, and whose devout Pentecostal mother wants to disown her sometimes.
You might be interested in this.
Theosophy [from Greek theosophia, from theos, divine + sophia, wisdom; literally "divine wisdom"], refers to systems of speculation or investigation seeking direct knowledge of the mysteries of being and nature, with particular concern on the nature of Divinity. Theosophy also is considered a part of the broader phenomenon of esotericism, referring to hidden knowledge or wisdom that offers the individual enlightenment and salvation. The theosophist seeks to understand the mysteries of the universe and the bonds that unite the universe, man and the divine world. She aspires to link theogony-anthropogony with eschatology and from investigation of these domains to discover a coherent cosmogony. The theosophist inquires into the hieroglyphs of nature, using a method of interpretation founded upon a specific myth or revelation, to which he applies his active imagination in order to draw forth symbolic resonances.
Since no religious texts state that god made apes who evolved into humans, are you starting a new religion?
Your belief is false. Intelligent design is creationism which has nothing to do with evolution.
It may be a good idea to first understand evolution before you believe in it.
My origin were out of Africa, like everyone else.
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