I believe it's what we hear, that cause us to fear. The reason I lie is because I hear the out come of me not lying. The reason I take drugs is because I hear the miss information of my friend. The reason I don't Love God is because I hear his voice, and I am so evil, I can't believe he love someone like me. So what's pushing me to fear Me!!!!!!!!
What pushes you to fear yourself? Who knows. I can only guess that you don't actually know yourself.
Come Cagsil that was harsh.. Give the man a break.. We all have fears deep down inside us
Considering that very little of what you say has a basis in reality, I can only conclude you are referring to yourself and the reality you have created.
You not far from the truth.. For me most time is all about taking a leap of faith.. Though I think I now understand. Atleast am better today than I was yesterday. And a good Hubber just thought me how to turn fear to just that a word.
I am glad that you were able to gleem some wisdom, from the rantings of a crazy old man. I hope that you can pass on what you have learned and not lose the meaning in doing so. Of course it has to mean something to you and you have to be able to hold onto the personal meaning of it.
There wasn't anything harsh about what I said. If you don't like the truth or cannot handle it, then by all means, use your ego to push aside what is said.
I'm sure quite a few people have tons of fears and then there are some people, like myself who have very few fears.
Ain't you somethin'. Come on down here for a canoe ride through the swamp at night and get you some good healthy fear.
Ha, WD! We do that for fun here in south Georgia! The yankees are always scared though, especially if there are a few gators stirring the water up.
Not all Yankees now. I used to go out in the airboat in the Florida marsh fishing. You get in the water chest deep to fish with gators and snakes. Many a time a snake will come within a few feet of you while fishing and all of a sudden take a dive. As for gators you could hear or see the, depending on where we fished.
I know myself I done want to drink, God done want me to drink, but, I have this feeling and here my voice saying I need a drink. Who is it that taking to me?
I think most fears come from feeling you're not in control of something.
Some fears are good, fear of things and situations that can harm you.
You make good points, and I could go on all day elaborating. Instead I will give you the antidote, "Perfect love casts out fear."
There are several things that pushes us to fear. But me.. It is the future that scares me.. What I am now and what I hope to become
Fear is product of the prospect of loss. We do not see the now, because we are focussed on a future that does not exist. I am happy and I have no fear of loss. I must accept that what I have will someday either be of no use, or will no longer exist. Desire and clinging, these are what lead to fear and suffering.
Desire ? Am a a little confused.. I have always had this in mind " A dream is a burning desire in how heart and mind to succeeded".. If fear is a product of loss.. And desire the Mother. I might be very wrong.. Is desire wrong ?
We desire comfort and the things we comfort ourselve's with only lead to more desire and so on. We are comforted by things and other people, when they are gone we suffer. This suffering takes another form in the fear of death. I say that when you accept death and are not afraid, life is that much sweeter, the same can be said of desire. Desire that which you truly need and life is not so difficult to live with.
I couldn't agree more with you with you..
We comfort ourselves things and other people and It is true when they are gone we suffer..
But sometimes it is all that we have to lean on when we hope.. The hope that we may someday get there.. How ever bad it may seem, I think we still need that little comfort of things not seen and things that we might not get.. Because each day is just another step to that thing we could achieve and sometimes loose.. But in all we survive,that is to say we so much more than we think.. But even then we still fear just because tomorrow is just a click away to a whole new world.
Desire and clinging, knowing and not knowing. These things can all be a cause of fear. Get rid of the cause and fear is just a word.
i learned long ago to put GOD first. if i love GOD first, then i am able to love others as unconditionally as HE loves me. GOD is the only constant in my life. HE can never die and will NEVER leave or forsake me. humans hurt the ones they love, break promises, die. they cannot help it.put your trust or hope in humans and you will be disappointed and your hope will be crushed. put your trust and hope in GOD and it no longer matters what man or events do. therefore you no longer have fear. GOD is in control of all things. understanding this also takes fear out of your life. it is natural to experience momentary fear, sometimes events can take you by surprise. but fear of the unknown, of death, of loss, of the future...these no longer weigh you down.
But, you only fear because you hear yourself tell yourself the out come
Fear comes purely from the things that are not known. Humans fear what they do not know and comprehend.
We do know death for we are alive, we do however fear death because we do not understand it. We know that death is a neccesary part of life, but we do not know how to not desire.
“Death does not concern us, because as long as we exist, death is not here. And when it does come, we no longer exist.” -Epicurus
I think that's true. I also think that fear goes a step farther, that it's really the fact that we cannot change things on our own that we're afraid of. Which is why we need to depend on God; otherwise, we're helpless.
Nonsense, there are many things we don't know or comprehend and have no fear of them whatsoever.
That's what you tell yourself. Stop telling yourself negtive things and fear will leave.
We fear anything we think may cause us harm or pain.
That reason may be real, or imaginary.
I am afraid of the dark. Irrational fear.
I'm also afraid of falling off a tree while attempting to save my kitten who is stuck in it. Rational fear.
In either case, it's the idea of harm which causes us to fear.
Stop tell yourself these negtive things and fear will leave. I was afraid of the dark, why, because I told myself negtive things, I heard negtive things, I saw negtive things, my senses ran me crazy. I cove my head with my cover, where I could not hear see and fear left me.
This doesn't make much sense
Is like telling the story our parent told us
when we where still kids (2nd grader)
Giving suggestions is ok. I can not tell you how to live your life, nor can I tell you how to be free of suffering. I can only suggest that one face their fears directly and be true to the life that one knows. Be kind for it is gentlemanly and give advice where it is needed.
I don't have to tell myself anything. I am afraid of the dark and that's just the way it is. Logically telling myself there is nothing there to harm me, ,wont' change the fact...
But one can learn to live with their fears. Fear is only a word and is a product of desire. I desire to suffer for this or I desire to fear that. We only fear things because we are either taught to or because we choose to. I chose to be affraid of spiders, until I learned that their purpose was to bite me. They don't intentionally bite me and I do not prefer to be bitten, though they do it of their nature and cannot be held accountable for it. Fear in some ways can be neccesary, but that does not make it rational. In fact most fears are irrational, so instead of being fearful, have a natural respect for that which one fears.
Astonfirefly, in as much as I would want to make you see that fear can be just a word.. I will also want to tell you that Mischeviousme, has something very meaningful.. you should read.
I have a fear of the dark because I have had hallucinations in the past; and such hallucinations always occurred in the dark. I am therefore afraid of what has happened, and that it will happen again. There is no desire linked to this experience, I think. It is simply expectation that something will happen as it has happened before; and is something I have no control over.
Sure, I can tell myself that the hallucination is not real, but that does not make it any less frightening to myself, you know?
Expectation... Is this not a form of desire? Have you thought that maybe, you had tricked your own mind into such a state?
I don't think expectation is a form of desire.
I do not desire for that thing to occur, but I expect it to.
Tricked my mind into such a state?Umm..what do you mean by state? The state of hallucination? Perhaps. But I don't see how that has much relevance to desire..
A child that fears that there is a monster under the bed, has monsters under the bed.
Ah, but desire takes many forms, even those in the subconscious. One must be mindful of their whole being to overcome these desires. I control my dreams therefor, I have no nightmares. Do you see where I am going with this?
Um...no sorry I don't. I don't see how desire has any part in this... can you explain?
Mara the god desire came to buddha and offered him a place among his legions. Buddha only stared and gave no reply. Then mara offered buddha his three lovely daughters and again, buddha only stared and gave no reply. When mara's daughters finally began to rot and sink into the ground did mara give in and buddha accomplished his goal. It is said that the ground shook when buddha finally accomplished his task.
Mara to the ancient hindus, was a manifestation of our own inner desires. In this case mara's daughters were a manifestation of lust. When one can break through the veil of ego and desire, all things become perfect awareness.
But how does that relate to my situation? Hallucinating things and being afraid of it has nothing to do with lust or desire.
I cannot show you the truth that I know, I can only use it as example, if you learn nothing from it, then you are not ready for it or your ego prevents you from seeing it.
If I learn nothing from it, maybe it's because you aren't explaining it to me in a way as it relates to my situation If you don't explain it to me, how am I supposed to understand? I'm totally okay with hearing a different opinion; I just need to be told directly, as opposed to cryptically because what you said made no sense...
Ok. Since you are into psychology, I will do it like this. What is the cause of your fear and when did it start?
I started to fear the dark after I kept hallucinating, in the dark.
When did you realize that you were hallucinating? Was it all of a sudden or was it gradual?
That depends on what you mean by that.
I tell myself that it is not really there and suppress the fear.
So your desire to be free of it made it worse for a time?
No. My desire to be free of it did not change it in any way whatsoever.
Are you better now or do you still have night terrors?
Suppression does not make anything better, it just opens the doors for other problems, just like psychologist's prescribed medications.
Hmm...that still does not link it to desire.
I desire to be free, therefor I will be imprisoned by my desire. I can only use so many words, but I find that metaphore and idiom work the best, because they make us look at ourselve's. If what I may makes no sense, it is because if I say it like it is, you may gain nothing from it. It is an old zen practice and it's hard to follow.
I desire to be free.
But this desire to be free was not what CAUSED the fear.
It is a natural response to fear.
You're in effect saying that the consequence of the fear is what caused the fear in the first place.
If I do not understand what you say, it may be because I find what you say to be illogical in some way...
Desire leads to almost all forms of fear and reactions to it. It is natural for children to fear heights or darkness, because we don't quite know what to make of it. We fear that which we do not understand, but if we accept what we cannot understand, we begin to see the reasons behind it. A hallucination is an extreme response to fear and if we desire to be rid of it, it makes it that much harder to get rid of. Now I can say this about a great many forms of suffering. If I am meditating and someone hits me, I do not feel it. The sensation is there, but it does not register in the sensory world. It is because, while I appear to be in the room with you, my mind is somewhere else.
I desire to be free and I don't need my body to do it. When we are instages of an adenaline rush, we don't really experience any other sensation than task at hand. It is a survival mechanism that predates the modern mind and we may never truly understand how it works, it is intangible. What we must understand is the world at large and how we fit into it, as individual pieces of a greater whole.
What I'm saying is that desire to be free from it may make the hallucination more difficult to bear, but it didn't CAUSE it.
I disagree that hallucination is an extreme response to fear. Fear was the response to the hallucination. There was no reason for the hallucination
What came first? the fear or the hallucination?
Children see strange things and most of it is of the spirit world, for that is where we came from. In some sense or another. The first 6 years of life are spent fighting to survive. If one can make it beyond that age, it is smooth sailing from there. But that is a religious belief and it may not apply to how you see things.
It is very natural to fear; we fear to fail, we fear to get hurt or lose life or fear the loss.
It is a check on being irresponsible
When you were born the only fear you had was falling and loud sounds, every other fear is learned in life. Fear is just the unknowns, by understanding in time, fear fails.
Most people are more motivated by fear than love, it's really is the saddest story ever known.
Hence fearing something as being a desire. I desire to fear my fears or I would overcome them, putting it plainly.
Yes, desire is very important and greatly misunderstood.
After knowing your healthy desire my other balance on my checklist are attitude, focus and natural talents
To accept what is not known, is to be free of fear.
Yes it is, but that acceptance cannot be attained.
It must be reallized, enlightenment is attained. Enlightenment is both reallized and attained through the reallization that nothing is attained. It just is.
Yes, acceptance of what is, like the bible belt town I live in.
Enlightenment may be attained, but acceptance of all fear is impossible.
One would think so. I fear nothing, maybe I am flawed in this way. I have accepted death and pain and suffering. I am aware of it and happy to be free of it.
I'm living proof of fearlessness, I only get deeply concerned about things.
Do you have the desire to learn how to be fearless?
I think mastering parts of the martial arts help me a great deal touring the world from a physical damage stand point and from many worries anyways
How much has martial arts help you with concurring fears?
Martial arts has openned my eyes to a way of thinking that is free of scripture and free of mind. I let my body do the movements and my mind is empty of worry. I have met many good people on my journey and martial arts were but one small aspect.
I think fear is so much a part of the human animal. Fear is necessary when we live in the wild and have to be on our guard against animals who would wish to eat us. The flight or fight response has though been diverted to fearing situations which are not life-threatening. The human mind seems expert at creating fears.
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