What superstitions do you believe in? I have heard some crazy ones in my life and I try not to believe in them.
when i was young, my mom taught me a lot about curses and counters, strange plants and animals and many personal account stories that are both fantastic and even scary, things that must be done to avoid certain unfortunate events from occurring, days that should be observed because of certain signs, ritualistic preparation of herbal lore. i come from a line of a sort of tribal herbalist and healers.
as i grew up, went to school and got a bit educated, i suddenly became a skeptic, the world of the supernatural becomes surreal and a lot became fiction as i was able to understand and explain how these things came to be, but i am not saying that everything that was taught to me was falsity, i actually still practice a lot of the method and respect most of the warning signs.
the reason for this is that, my mom, and her parents and grandparents who passed on these arcane wisdom, lack words and reason to explain the situation they experience first hand, but whatever they did at that time to remedy or prevent from occurring had some effect that worked. so they try to explain it in their own words combined with their strong beliefs in the supernatural and mysticism.
If you don't believe any of them, then why seek them out. If it is not of God, it is not real.
I love superstition in others, but not so much for myself. I have a few, but can't say what they are, since my superstition does not allow me.
I destroyed a fertillity god when I was a child and I was cursed to never have children.
I once worked on a two-person "team", and the other person (a woman) put out a couple of statues of fertility gods at the office. (Why she'd choose the office to put them out, I don't know.) Anyway, for awhile both of us ended up expecting babies.
I'm as un-superstitious as they make 'em, but it did make for some good jokes.
I don't really believe in them now, but I used to do the "knock on wood" thing. Picked it up from a friend and took a few years for me to kick that thought out of my head!
Hmm, you might believe more parasite if you were to ever see Charleston or New Orleans hoodoo in action. The paranormal is simply that which is not completely understood yet. Its good you still have respect; hopefully one day we'll know the scientific basis for the supernatural and mysticism.
I think they have discovered the scientific basis for the supernatural and mysticism as forms of 'gobbledegook'
Why not try to think of them as individual forms of thought and moving on? What I do everyday may seem crazy to you, but to me it is perfectly rational. To put it down is not helping anyone's cause and it certainly makes us look like closed minded powderheads with nothing more than snotty outlooks. I judge and condemn just as the next, but it is in acceptance that we find true peace. If I argue, people argue with me and I never find peace.
Simple, there is no "thought" process going on there, only belief.
LOL! To the believer, yes.
Sorry, but there is no acceptance of irrational and illogical belief systems in science, that is the entire point of science, to change irrational belief into fact.
Do you really care, or do you argue for your own enlightenment? I certainly do and then, what is an agrument, but a heated discussion.
to a troubled man,
i would tend to disagree with your view on certain things, specially your harsh comment on generalizing superstition as a simple no brainer, there is indeed a thought process involved when you believe in something regardless if it is just a localized event or a world wide phenomenon. belief in itself is a psychological state in which an individual holds a premise to be true.
laughing at others beliefs simply makes you more arrogant than the rest, it gives me the impression that you are trying hard to prove yourself to be somebody who is right, and i have learned that people who tend to project like this are the ones who are closed minded and does not know how to listen.
and lastly, you should know that there are many forms of science, it was not so long ago that the word 'science' is synonymous with philosophy, and philosophies itself has countless variants, so which specific science are you intent on imparting your wisdom to us audience of 'irrational' beliefs?
because if it is specifically the science of 'scientific method' that you are so very hard trying to convey the message to us, then your argument fails, because the very definition of paranormal experiences, these what you call irrational are still outside the range of normal scientific explanation. this type of science has not gotten around to prove or disprove it yet, just like this particular science are still trying to prove the existence of some of the fundamental particles in the universe, they can not see it, they can not prove it, but that does not mean it is not there... and do not dare use mathematics as basis, because mathematics does in fact accepts irrational inputs...
we, mankind in general has still yet a long long way to go in understanding everything. so please have a care before you scoff somebody else opinion.
Yes, and the belief is held with our without thinking about the premise.
Laughing at others beliefs is due to the fact those beliefs are ridiculous and irrational, or just plain hilarious. That has nothing to do with proving myself or being closed minded, they're just plain funny.
The science required depends on the irrational belief you wish to put forward.
No, science is not synonymous with philosophy.
No, they're not outside normal scientific explanation, they are just simply unexplained due to whatever reason.
They might not see particles with the human eye, but they can detect them using technologies and equipment.
If their opinions are faith based fantasy laden myths, then the deserve to be scoffed.
sorry, nice quick defense all wrong answers, this just shows your ignorance, a troubled man.
please stop creating nonsense. i will not reply to you if your goal is simply to have the last say, it is neither constructive nor informational thus totally a waste of my time.
You mean they weren't the answers you wanted to hear.
Yes, I know reality is a waste of time for believers.
However, you're free to tell us all how superstitions are constructive and informational.
back! ... hahaha, can not help myself, just a point in humor at your expense, a troubled man, since your zeal on the claim of truth is so profound that you actually believe in them, the irony!
point 1. at the moment, less than half of the 'known' fundamental particles are discovered, thus we have been trying to construct hadron colliders and super-kamiokande and liner smashers, therefore they are all still in the realm of mathematics thus theory. so no, they have not detected it yet, they research in order to prove and disprove and not because they know it is there already.
point 2. mathematics is the method used to initially prove before a full scientific methodology is carried out, so again no, math is not the science you think it is, math can also be used in numerology and a variety of other unproven theories including much of the realm of the social sciences, and social sciences do include in one of its sub-class philosophy, anthropology, cultural studies among many others which brings me to the next point.
point 3. philosophy and science is one and the same back in the old days, it is only in 19th and present day that a better understanding had moved it down to a sub class under social sciences, so once again strike 3 you are wrong, read the books, do your research and understand better what science you are trying to defend on... i will stop now because you need to read more, understand more instead of spreading your nonsense.
so reply, laugh, cry, insult or do whatever you feel like doing, i have played my part in explaining it to you as 'scientific' as possible, but it is your 'belief' and i respect that. so please do not shove it down our throat like it is fact, you perception of fact is twisted and limited.
LOL! They've had particle accelerators since the 1930's when Cockcroft and Walton accelerated protons down a discharge tube. Your claim that it is still in the mathematical realm is obviously false as experiments have been going on for decades.
That was rather pointless to the discussion.
LOL! In the old days?
You've done no such thing, you offered nothing but false statements and gibberish.
But, I'm so glad you're content in your victory.
sadly no, i do not take pleasure in explaining the obvious. i do however take interest in a lively discussion, so might as well go on with it.
so please explain which part exactly in my statement is false, i do not find falsity in any of it as all of these info are readily available in dictionaries, social studies book, science books and even latest news.
also, mathematics is very important in the discussion, any of the existing types of science cannot exist without a solid mathematical model. mathematics is one of the major 'tools' and it involve irrationality which you earlier claim to be non existent and impossible in your so called generalization of science, i am very curious, what kind of science exactly are you talking about here exactly?
and lastly, do not name drop particle accelerator and names like you understand what they are doing, the very fact that they have been trying to build larger and larger of these equipment for decades now is simply because they want to prove the existent of fundamental particles that was founded on theoretical mathematical models. a simple yet very common example is your humble proton the one you mentioned earlier which i am sure was taught in your science class once as 'fundamental', now it is just another shell to crack containing so many possible answers inside, will it be a hadron with multiple quarks? will it decay into antimuons? test are on the way, not yet successful though, not yet proven science...
another example is gravitation, should science methods be able to include the factor of gravity in the current standard model of the universe, the realm of possibility widens and we might just end up truly believing in the existence of parallel universes and time travels which is still in your term, what was it? 'gobbledegook' ?
honestly a troubled man, no victory in my part, i answer your question in all honesty, todays science will likely be tomorrows superstition as we human beings continue to discover more and more of the supposed 'real truth'. you should understand that everything is actually relative.
I already did.
Name dropping? I don't understand what they're doing?
No, you didn't answer honestly, you have no argument here. Frankly, it does not appear as if you know what you're talking about.
okay you win a troubled man, i rest my case and i shall trouble you no more. nice meeting such an interesting and persistent person, thank you ^_^
sadly no, i do not take pleasure in explaining the obvious. i do however take interest in a lively discussion, so might as well go on with it.
honesty, todays science will likely be tomorrows superstition as we human beings continue to discover more and more of the supposed 'real truth'. you should understand that everything is actually relative.
You can mark my words, Religion will shrink and science will grow in interests, don't worry a greater spiritual age is still to come.
hello there castlepaloma,
so nice to meet a fellow hubber with a free spirit and strong conviction of his belief. i myself am a catholic believer. but even as a christian, i must move on with the times and in todays' world, the popularity of modern science is without question the one leading the pack to a new stage of enlightenment.
so i will take on your word for it, in fact, i will put my hopes and dreams that i may yet live to see and understand this greater age which will combine the wisdom of both science and spirituality.
Grip this with your cerebral tentacle Mr.Troubled Man: There are many highly respected and professional people in New Orleans and elsewhere who know better than to scoff at the hoodoo. Whether they believe in the Mojo or not, they're wise enough to show some respect to the Haitian voodoo religion. And make no mistake sir, it is a religion. Best regards to you Mr. Troubled Man.
dear alastar packer,
you are right ofcourse, i am more prone to believe in the supernatural simply because of my ancestral roots. my skepticism and scientific rationalization can only go so far, and they do tend to crumble upon witnessing actual paranormal events that i can find no explanations. thus my continued respect.
english is not even my first language, so perhaps i am more ignorant than the people who grew up in the western cultures, perhaps i lack the proper scientific tool to conduct the right myth busting methodology. but whatever the circumstances, i will stand by with the methods that was taught to me by my forebears, unless proven otherwise or presented with a better alternative.
I only believe in those superstitious which are not difficult to believe.lol
I used to believe in the existence of Satan and demons.
That you shouldn't take a salt shaker out of someone's hand, because it's bad luck. If you do, you have to throw a pinch of salt over your shoulder. Everything things I'm nuts because I make them set the salt shaker on the table. LOL
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