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Why does the devil exist?

  1. Michele Travis profile image68
    Michele Travisposted 5 years ago

    Why do so many horrible things happen in the world?  Is it the work of the devil?  Or is it just mankind?

    1. radhikasree profile image70
      radhikasreeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The devilish mankind. "Karma" won't let them go happily.

      1. Michele Travis profile image68
        Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        But then why does mankind trap them,  but the the devil does exist

        1. radhikasree profile image70
          radhikasreeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          To give returns. But, not all get trapped.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The devil is a cheap baby sitter for the masses, because childish people do not want to burn in hell.

            1. mischeviousme profile image59
              mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Make sure to check under your bed for the devil. He might get you. lol

          2. Michele Travis profile image68
            Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            So, who's fault is it when bad thing happen?

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              The Devil made me do it.

              Or

              Me

              or someone else

              I would pick me to be at fault by far, most of the time, then just confront the problem and adjust the mistake rather than regret sins. In return,happiness here on earth and in the afterlife, we all must wait and see.

              Far too many sins and devils for anyone to handle anyways.

              1. Michele Travis profile image68
                Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                What about people like Hitler?

                1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Lock them up, along with little Hitler GW Bush too

                  1. Michele Travis profile image68
                    Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    none were locked up,  where do the evil ones go after they die?

                  2. Chris Neal profile image85
                    Chris Nealposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Yeah, and Clinton! Osama bin Ladin is his fault, after all!

                    half- smile

              2. mischeviousme profile image59
                mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Acting on the desires I feel, kind of negates the existence of a devil. Does it not?

                1. Chris Neal profile image85
                  Chris Nealposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Not necessarily. The devil may prompt your desires, you just have the choice as to whether or not to follow through.

    2. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I wrote a hub- "Why Is World Peace Not Happening"? It should give you a glimpse of what you asked.
      What devil?
      Yes.
      This is your title of your thread and here is my answer: The devil is nothing more than a concept created by humankind. Thus, it is man-made. Why? Power, Control and to Instill fear in people. Those who claim that a devil actually exists are only perpetuating forth the ideology of religion.

      1. Michele Travis profile image68
        Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        But then what about the reality of the leaders of the countries who simply kill those who do not follow orders, or those who protest?  That has been happening recently all over the world

        1. Cagsil profile image60
          Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          If that doesn't show you the "power and control" factors, then I don't know what would.
          Yep it has because people are waking up to realize and grow in consciousness that the truth is none of what religion talks about with regards to mythology has any basis in truth.

          1. Michele Travis profile image68
            Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            What about exorcisms?  Christians are not the only ones who do them.

            1. Cagsil profile image60
              Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I answered that question in my previous post. It's just a deception by the Church. It has the power which governments are not going to play against. It's the Church perpetuating the myth of religion, to keep people living in fear.

              They are attributing a serious mental disorder to something of the supernatural. What you should really look into is how many people have actually DIED during one?

              1. Michele Travis profile image68
                Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Ok,  that is a very good statistic to look into.  I will do that.

    3. yolanda yvette profile image61
      yolanda yvetteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Both.

    4. autumn18 profile image67
      autumn18posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Mankind.

  2. Michele Travis profile image68
    Michele Travisposted 5 years ago

    But, it is the fault of the devil when evil things take place on earth, since Adam and Eve.

    1. mischeviousme profile image59
      mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      In the long ago, that may or may not have happened. I can say the devil made me do it, but then again. Was I not acting of my own desire? This is to say. My own free will?

      1. Michele Travis profile image68
        Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I am going to let this one go, I don't know enough about this topic

        1. aka-dj profile image79
          aka-djposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Good move! big_smile

        2. mischeviousme profile image59
          mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Why? you asked the question, did you not? I would think that you would want the answer. To walk out on it would be to relinquish any opinion you may have or gain from it. Is this not so?

          1. Michele Travis profile image68
            Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Well I do need to know the answer, but not sure I would understand it.

            1. mischeviousme profile image59
              mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Read as much as you can, in as many books as possible about the subject and you still may not understand. Read the Upanishads and any other religious doccument. To confine your ideals to a single religious aspect, is to confine your mind. Of course to me, this the goal of christianity, to keep you stupid or ignorant to the entire truth, so that you may live by archaisms at their liezure.

            2. Rachel Richmond profile image59
              Rachel Richmondposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              In response to mischeviousme...I would look at Michael Tisarions work to understand the concept of devil and energy drain of the aura to allow such things to work through a person.  Gives a whole other "idea" of what else in the way of life is here and a theory of why.

              1. Michele Travis profile image68
                Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Good response.  Which is why exorcism is allowed by the not only Christians. but even Muslims and the Jewish people

  3. aguasilver profile image87
    aguasilverposted 5 years ago

    The 'devil' exists to be mankind's enemy, to tempt and tease us, to destroy if possible and to carry out the destruction when we create situation where he has the right to attack us.

    His greatest asset is that most people deny he exists.

    1. Michele Travis profile image68
      Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You are very correct.  That is why people blame him. And he is also the one destroying the earth

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    Emile Rposted 5 years ago

    'The devil' is simply a concept created so that people can step away from full remorse at the result of their own actions. It exists in the minds of the religious mostly. The rest of us have to  squarely face our indiscretions and attempt to make amends. The religious simply claim the devil made them do it, so they don't have to worry about the effect of their actions on others.

    1. mischeviousme profile image59
      mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      In other words, the devil is a scapegoat. If the devil made me do it, I am just shirking away any sense of accountabillity. In which case I was probably in need of institutionalization for thinking so. The devil is the dishonest man's way out. Basically...

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        Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Yes. I would classify that as a fair assessment.

    2. Michele Travis profile image68
      Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Is that why there are devil cults that worship him?
      Or song like " the devil inside"?

      1. mischeviousme profile image59
        mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        The church has kept you naive to truth for a long time. I can only stress this enough for myself. Get away from the church for as long as you need to, so that you can learn what the bible is not, truth.

        1. Michele Travis profile image68
          Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          But there are things in the bible that are true, or it would not have lasted 2000 years

          1. mischeviousme profile image59
            mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            There are things that correlate to actual events, but they are the fantasy workings of a mind that could not grasp the actuallity of it. The bible is a text that keeps us from thinking of the now and it is the goal of a leader to keep someone thinking the way they want them to. In this case the pastor or what have you, needs you because you, as a member of his church are blindly validating everything he says, just by being there. This is the thing that most followers fail to see, that they are puppets in a machine they don't rightly or fully understand.

            1. aguasilver profile image87
              aguasilverposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Or, our position in any church is to hold the leadership accountable for what they teach.

              It's unpopular, but needed.

              Any church leader that expects anyone to follow them because they say something is right, is in error, the requirement is to SHOW from scripture why they are correct, then let the individual decide for themselves.

              If the individual cannot see or agree, then they should find another body to belong to.

              1. mischeviousme profile image59
                mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Yes. Their own... I do not disagree with communalization in religion, but I think that christianity is so empirical in it's doctrine that people of that form of faith feel as though they have no choice. They either accept J.C. or burn for it. This to me can be lichened to nursery rhymes and scary stories, meant to instill fear in children.

                1. aguasilver profile image87
                  aguasilverposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  Churchianity will certainly use coercion to control their adherents, mainly because those leading are ignorant of real Christianity anyway.

                  But there are many good, free church bodies of believers who will keep to what Christ taught us, and not abuse their members.

                  Any believers who want to use hell-fire preaching to win converts is mislead, the only way to help people come to faith is by the demonstration of how Christ can and has changed things in our personal lives, and in the lives of those who seek more information about faith and specifically Christ.

        2. Michele Travis profile image68
          Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          What about the Dead Sea Scrolls?

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        Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I think the devil cults worship the concept that was created by the religious. Christianity says he is the ruler of this world. They want power that Christianity has said the devil has. So, the devil cults are the creation of those who worship God, imo.

        And songs? You think because something is mentioned in a song it therefore exists? Where is Puff?

    3. aguasilver profile image87
      aguasilverposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      The excuse the devil made me do it is completely lame, we do things, the enemy is the 'enforcer' who has the legal right to pester and if possible destroy folk when they break Gods laws.

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        Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well, if you take accountability for your own actions; that is good. I simply have a distaste for the concept of the devil. It's too easy to blame things on cosmic powers. We would be ahead, as a society, to find the true cause and attempt to address it. Saying the devil exists simply allows the problems to fester.

        1. aguasilver profile image87
          aguasilverposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          The enemy ( I dislike the names given to it) has no power over anybody UNTIL they transgress Gods law, then he does, for the transgressor has stepped outside of Gods protection.

          From THAT point onward the enemy CAN influence what we do, but we need to open the door first.

          So the lie that ends up in a murder, started by the individual telling the lie that allowed the enemy access to them.

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            Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            You lost me at the 'steps outside God's protection' point. You are making excuses for the actions of others. So, in essence, you open the door for others not to take full accountability for their actions. I don't support that train of thought. I have enough respect for humanity to expect them to take responsibility for their own actions.

            1. Michele Travis profile image68
              Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              What about when people are possessed by the devil.   There are documented cases of this happening

              1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Do they fly around and shoot out pea soup all the way across the room.

                Most cases it's heavy drugs or in their own mind

                1. mischeviousme profile image59
                  mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  And a penciance for wanting to be noticed. People do all sorts of odd things to get attention.

                  1. Michele Travis profile image68
                    Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    But there have been documented cases of people speaking lanuages like old aramaic.  How could they have learned that?  Things across the room flying that nobody touched.  How could that have happened?

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                Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                I suppose if you believe there are documented cases of devil possession it would follow that you believed in the devil. I don't know. I've seen strange movies, but no strange footage from live events. I know the Catholic church still performs exorcisms, but I would have to see something for myself before I would believe it.

                The average human is capable of extraordinary things under extraordinary circumstances. I don't know that evidence of true possessions exists. Except for those who want to believe.

                1. Michele Travis profile image68
                  Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  But there are many things that do exist even if people cannont see them.  Like the atom.  You cannot see it, but it does exist, doesn't it?

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                    Brenda Durhamposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Great point.

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                    Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    I know Brenda told you this was a great point. I'm afraid she is wrong. I would never tell you the spiritual doesn't exist. Because I don't believe that, but simply believing in something doesn't make it so. And you can't compare belief and hope to reality. You can, but you don't have a leg to stand on if you do.

                  3. Jeff Berndt profile image90
                    Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    You can prove the existence of an atom by experimentation and observation, with the right equipment.

                    Is there a Large Extra-Dimensional Being Collider somewhere that can prove the existence of the devil by experimentation and observation?

                    Maybe the devil exists, maybe not, but there's no proof one way or the other.

                    Atoms exist. We have proof.

                    That's the difference between stuff like atoms and stuff like God, the devil, angels, demons, ghosts, bigfoot, etc. 

                    I'm not saying there's no devil. I'm saying there's no way of knowing; at least not yet. I mean, I've never met the devil. Have you?

                  4. A Troubled Man profile image61
                    A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    Here's a wiki link to a Scanning Tunneling Microscope, a device used to look at individual atoms...

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanning_t … microscope

                    Atoms consist of a nucleus surrounded by electrons, the nucleus is made of protons and neutrons, protons are made up of quarks and it is the combined energy of quarks contained within a proton that makes up its' mass, which scientists can measure with very good precision.

                    As you can see, science has gone well beyond just looking at atoms. smile

              3. A Troubled Man profile image61
                A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                No, there are documented cases of believers who claim others are possessed by the devil. There is no documentation whatsoever regarding anything about devils.

                1. Michele Travis profile image68
                  Michele Travisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  What about people who can speak languages they were never taught?  Such as old aramaic?  Children who can speak that language fluently?  How can they do that?

                  1. A Troubled Man profile image61
                    A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    "Reportedly, the nuns “couldn't keep the bed still,” scratches appeared on R’s chest, and he began to curse in "a strange language.” A later source said it was Aramaic, but a still later "well-documented record” failed to mention “any such language competence” (Allen 2000, 36).

                    Of course, the fact that the boy wanted to engage in such extreme antics over a period of three months does suggest he was emotionally disturbed. Teenagers typically have problems, and R seemed to have trouble adjusting-to school, his sexual awareness, and other concerns. To an extent, of course, he was challenging authority as part of his self-development, and he was no doubt enjoying the attention. But there is simply no credible evidence to suggest the boy was possessed by demons or evil spirits."

                    http://www.csicop.org/si/show/exorcism_ … _nonsense/

  5. Michele Travis profile image68
    Michele Travisposted 5 years ago

    But, as I have said before there is truth in the bible look at the dead sea scrolls

    1. mischeviousme profile image59
      mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      And what of the dead sea scrolls is true? Have you read them or just heard that they are true? Ask those questions of christians and see that the varying answers are all the same. They say yes, but again, most christians have never read them and for the most part, the ones that have, have no understanding of the underlying meaning.

    2. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I rather get the up dated truth rather than from the dead you can not explain how it works for everyone living for today.

  6. Michele Travis profile image68
    Michele Travisposted 5 years ago

    We are not the only religion that believes in the devil.
    We are also not the  only religion that gives it's people exorcisms to drive the devil out.  Islamics and the Jewish people do that also.

    1. Cagsil profile image60
      Cagsilposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Correct, almost all religions use the word "devil" as a metaphor to describe the worse parts of being human.
      Of course not, because they are attributing some other mental disorder to something non-existent. It's called bad interpretation(diagnosis).
      Of course they do. It's part and parcel of selling that ideology and holding it together, so people continue to believe.

  7. Kyle Payne profile image60
    Kyle Payneposted 5 years ago

    In my opinion the Devil does exist, also understand that this belief's residence in the mind is purely by faith. According to the Bible, which I also have faith in, the devil was a created angel, a seraphim to be exact, that fell out of God's favor and out of heaven because of pride, rebellion, and disobedience. If you read in the book of Isaiah the Bible gives the ideas of Satan and what he conjured in His mind that ultimately led to his expulsion from Heaven. A great misunderstanding is this, The Devil is not some black entity with a tail, pitchfork, and horns. The Devil, according to the Bible, was an angel and it is not recorded that God changed his appearance so we must think that he still looks as so. What the devil does, along with the demons, is tempt mankind into sinning. One must understand though that he does not cause you to sin, you ultimately are the one that chooses to sin. The devil's main goal is to blind the eyes of as many people as possible into sinning and ignoring repentance through grace and face and belief in Jesus Christ. As a side not the other to things that tempt us are our flesh, as the Bible states it, and the world, not the people but the world order or the things of world. So we are tempted by the world, the flesh, and the devil, but ultimately it is the human that sins. Which is why we need repentance not the world, the flesh and the devil.

    1. AshtonFirefly profile image82
      AshtonFireflyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      One questoin which has haunted me for a while is...if God created Satan, how could there have been anyu evil in him? sad Wouldn't that mean God had some evil attributes? What do you think? hmm

      1. yolanda yvette profile image61
        yolanda yvetteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        God is not evil in any way and didn't create Satan with evil.  Satan had freewill.  And pride made him choose the path he chose.

        1. AshtonFirefly profile image82
          AshtonFireflyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You say freewill. But if evil didn't exist, there would be nothing to choose between. God can do anything right? Why not make Satan purely good? If he was purely good, he wouldn't have screwed up everything else. And if God is all-powerful, why make all of us suffer until he's ready to get rid of him?

          1. yolanda yvette profile image61
            yolanda yvetteposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              God said everything He made was good (read Gen 1:31), including Satan, who was called Lucifer in Heaven.  He made Lucifer good, but of his own free will, he chose to turn against God.  Which caused him to be kicked out of Heaven.

            God obviously wanted us all to have free will, including the angels.

            And evil did not exist until Adam ate fruit of the tree of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil.

            God is All-Powerful and All-Knowing, and has an appointed time to end all the world's ills.

            1. AshtonFirefly profile image82
              AshtonFireflyposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              But God created the tree. Evil had to come from somewhere. Where did it come from if not God?

              1. Kyle Payne profile image60
                Kyle Payneposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Ashton, I am currently writing a hub on this. I will let you know when it is finished. This question has bothered me for years. I think I may have an answer also.

    2. Jeff Berndt profile image90
      Jeff Berndtposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      "In my opinion the Devil does exist, also understand that this belief's residence in the mind is purely by faith."

      YES!!!! Oh, you have no idea how happy I am to meet another person who has faith*, and also recognizes that it's faith, and understands the difference between faith and fact!

      You made my day, mate.


      *Faith in anything, be it God by any of His names, or in reincarnation, or in magick, or in ghosts, or whatever.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        With enough drugs and brain washing you can see the devil, that's proof enough for many.

  8. prettydarkhorse profile image65
    prettydarkhorseposted 5 years ago

    there are dualities in the world expressed in language, perhaps to emphasize the difference of the opposing ideas. Whether it is real or not, it depends on what our belief is. Good - bad, angel - devil, yin-yang like that.

    1. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I believe that God and all the aspects of creation are reflections of the depth and breadth of the human psyche. It is the darkness in our past and the light of a future not yet realized. It isn't supernatural, it's all nature. For whatever reason, we are different than our closest animal relatives, yet, there is only one single gene which separates us. Why did we evolve and they did not? Why didn't chimps and other apes go extinct. They, like us and the aquatic mammals such as dolphins specifically, are aware of self. How and why did certain creatures "return to the oceans" and just how quickly can evolution really occur? There are recent claims of certain rat experiments, where their DNA was changed in one generation. This is also backed up by recent findings in the Galapagos, where certain birds (I think Finches) were observed to have evolved in very short order, and the former Finch no longer exists, totally supplanted by the new Finch. A whole new breed. God evolves...God changes. Otherwise, he would still be sitting in the darkness. There's a message there. God never changes in that God is ever-changing.  Satan/the devil is part of who mankind is. We, and we alone, rebel against God. Lucifer is of the self-same spirit as Man. Just as all of creation is reflective of the creator, so too, the created, for we are made in the image. When we surrender to God, we have personally, within ourselves, chained Satan and placed him at the foot of God, on his knees. He is our Bad Side. The animal we once were. Bad genes can bring it out. I don't buy into certain christian beliefs, and don't profess to be one. I just described what I perceived on my own journey of self-discovery and forgiveness of self and others. We are, after all, Darkness and Light with the full spectrum in between, including a twilit zone. Peace

      1. mischeviousme profile image59
        mischeviousmeposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I like your profile pic.

  9. ADAMSRIB profile image61
    ADAMSRIBposted 5 years ago

    So we know we have a choice. So we know that under any circumstance, no matter what, we have the opportunity to be forgiven. But also know that we as he, are accountable for our choices.

  10. Bill Yovino profile image91
    Bill Yovinoposted 5 years ago

    God, the Devil, and Kermit the Frog; all created by the mind of man.

  11. lone77star profile image89
    lone77starposted 5 years ago

    Could it be that all evil springs from "ego?"

    Ego is the physical universe "self" which obeys the laws of action-reaction (cause-and-effect) and is thus vulnerable. That vulnerability is the motivation to do great harm -- from snapping at someone because of an annoying noise to the tyranny of Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot. And it is as insidious as the kindly old lady who wouldn't help out a homeless person because they are so "dirty."

    Could ego be the devil of which we speak?

    Yehoshua of Nazareth said that we need to let our self die before we can gain everlasting life. I'd wager that this "self" is ego. And humility, it seems, is the antidote to ego.

    The "Tree" of the forbidden fruit? What was it? Genesis tells us that Adam would die on the day he ate of the fruit, yet he lived for 930 years, most or all of it outside the garden. I posit that the garden was a spiritual place, only (non-physical). The "tree" and the "fruit" were non-physical, also. The name of the tree gives us a clue -- "the tree of knowledge of good and evil." This is a prime dichotomy: good-evil. Ego is made up of many dichotomies: good-evil, right-wrong, generous-selfish, wisdom-stupidity, compassion-indifference, perpetrator-victim and more.

    Even in being good, ego is committing a form of evil -- pride. The truly good attempt to be anonymous about it.

    We admire the hero because they are unselfish. We abhor the egotist and braggart because they are self-centered. Alas! Bragging is second-nature to me, but I'm still learning.

    Evil is a decision. The tree was not evil. It merely was and is (it exists). Our decisions can be evil or good. They can be physical reality "relative-good" or they can be non-physical, divinely "paramita-good." (Paramita is a Buddhist term for perfection -- the one-sided coin of the "other shore" of existence... perhaps heaven.)

 
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