Each person have experiences unique to him. Variations of human experiences are as many as there are people in this whole world and this is a very good reason why any sensible person should respect every other person because nobody will ever know exactly what this other person can do once provoked.
Human experiences can be categorized and classified in many ways; for example in psychology, it's the developmental stages where they group the subjects into age brackets as having common developmental experiences; sociology categorize human experiences as to culture, status quo, socialization. The list can go on and on; studies of human experiences are as complicated as there are many people in the world. In fact there are still a lot of human experiences that has no study as yet such as the paranormal. And since there are yet no tools to study these things, or if any, they are still in the philosophical stage in which science has not completely discovered or invented the perfect tools (perhaps it never will) so the reason why non-believers abound. Not everybody is lucky enough to experience the the "mysterious" things that exist in this whole universe. Only a chosen few can have this gift and so they are attacked by the non-adepts.
The people that attack are very closed minded. They see or hear something they don't understand and demonize it, because it doesn't fit in with their comfortably conditioned, condition.
Or more precisely, they understand there is a perfectly reasonable explanation and don't jump to conclusions of magic and baloney.
don't mind them, they call baloney those things that are beyond them. My late New Zealand husband for ten years was exactly like them...they cannot even think farther than to day. or one inch farther than what is before them. When my late husband was on his deathbed, dying...he admitted to his being mere human and fallibility. I pity these people, they are just ants to this universe. Just one stumbling then their spines break, and can they save themselves from death? We all perish from this life for we all have limitations but there is something greater than the potato head human.
I adore being pitied by believers. It gives me such a sensation of inferiority for want of a wide slice of baloney that's well beyond my reach. It could well be the reason why so much baloney... or was it balagna... is floating around out there, unreachable from our terrestrial world and as capacious as an elephants scrotum.
Wow, I can hear bitterness in such statements. I can understand why you cannot believe in God. Such carnal mentality can never acknowledge God even if He stands before it. Only a person with a merry heart and a heart full of thanksgiving and praise can have the privillege to experience the joy that emanates from spiritual matters.
Yes, I know that's what you'd like to believe because it doesn't agree with your belief system, so it must be bitterness.
<--- see, this is me being bitter.
No, I don't think you do. If you did, you too wouldn't believe in Gods. Understanding things is not in the framework of brainwashing.
Carnal mentality? So, according to you, the more one educates themselves about the world around them, you believe they are engaging in a carnal mentality. That's hilarious.
That is an obvious false statement, but I don't expect anything less than false statements from dishonest believers.
As if you are all-knowing...if you cannot believe, at least be a gentleman enough to allow the believers without being sarcastic to them...I am a believer and I can understand you...I hope this argument stops because this would be never-ending. We are talking principles here. Everybody has a belief systems...that may differ from one another, let us just mind our own business if we cannot agree. We cannot be all the same in most things.
badeep, badeep, badeep,...thats all...
Ps. My husband taught me that, I don't even understand that...
Do you always consider others who point out lies, contradictions and hypocrisy as all knowing?
Sure, when Christians stop evangelizing and telling me I'm going to hell because I don't accept their so-called truth. When Christians stop forcing their beliefs down my throat. When Christians leave gay people alone. When Christians leave pregnant women alone. The list goes on and on...
No, I don't think you do understand.
That is entirely false, but it is understandable why believers would believe that considering they were brainwashed to believe it.
Sure, see above re: When Christians stop...
True, but we all share the same reality. Unfortunately, Christianity has created another "reality" that has nothing to do with reality.
I'm an NDE'er! So at age 11, in what way was I brainwashed , Mr. Know-it-all?
The entities and beings I saw do not exist? They are not guiding me now? All these extra sensory happenings I have experienced since then -are all just my imagination? Wow! What a revelation.
I only know one thing if what I experienced is the other side- then there is no fear in death. Can you say that?
Actually, the paranormal is not in the philosophical stage, it is in the baloney stage, which is why there are no "tools" to study it simply because there isn't anything to study other than baloney.
Chosen few with a gift of spewing baloney.
That chosen few that spew balogna includes those that can't spell balogna.
You are such a trouble to the universal truth...as if you know everything...you know nothing about what you don't experience....you will believe on death once it happens to you.
I've been near death, and there was nothing mystical, magical, or otherwise paranormal about it.
The happiest people I know and have known are those who have near-death experiences, but I mean serious almost kicked the bucket stuff. I have had out-of-body experience and definitely changed my life.
There is new research into near-death experiences, using proper scientific methods. Some of which seems to be showing that consciousness may be able to exist outside of the brain, if only for a short time. There are a few documentaries on the subject. Consciousness is not fully understood, and research into it only in its early stages.
Since my out-of-body experience I have never anymore been afraid of death.
I can understand that. Death is actually never to be feared; it is part of being human, it is an inherent human limitation and that is the reason why we can only appreciate our experiences while in this life. I can understand why you said that those who experience NDE are the happiest people...they are fearless.
Personally, I've only had a few near life experiences.
Near death is pretty redundant.
No but I've experienced being near death on my drive to work a few times.
OMG I love the research on this subject it's interesting to say the least. When I was younger I had a NDE from having a cold and really bad asthma. That was not pleasant at all. I've read other experiences by those who have had a NDE and they're extremely varied. It's nice to know that your not the only one who saw something after kicking the bucket for a few minutes. It just leaves you breathless and euphoric...well mines did. I woke up feeling like rejuvenated, laughing, and feeling like I could take on the world. I can't wait when they finally suck it up and say it's not a delusion or your brain still firing signals!
Nice to hear that. Thanks for the response.
Yes an NDE is not really that big deal but it is natural that some changes somewhere within the person who experience it would happen...it is good that he would "listen" to himself because his spiritual nature had been opened and will have some message for hi.
Balagna. Having a near death experience simply means one realizes themselves many of the petty matters that have influenced their lives, perhaps the petty matters brought them to their near death experience. It is a simple realization and has nothing to do messages or spiritual mumbo jumbo.
You were right about Baloney. I looked it up and I was wrong. Sorry about that.
I agree with you to a certain extent, but I've always believed in spirits, the beyond, God, reincarnation, and etc... My family is Christian/Baptist and ironically some of what I believe rubs them the wrong way. To them I appear to be an atheist, an occultist, or I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm going to hell. So it's different views for everyone. My view of God and the afterlife doesn't necessarily match theirs. So for that I'm demonized to an extent, but their are so many things out there that we can't even begin to comprehend. I think most people are blinded by their arrogance and what they do don't see couldn't possibly exist for someone else.
My NDE was a mystical experience for me and it wasn't quite paranormal, but more shamanic like. I did indeed see a supernatural being during my death. I saw the doctors/nurses working on me and my family in the corner crying. I was a young kid, but I understood what was happening. Viewing myself didn't affect me like you would think. To me it was like looking at a shell, a piece of armor that was no longer needed and I wasn't really sad. It was all in retrospect I felt peace and a calmness that was unnatural.
I felt far older then I looked and I just felt highly indifferent.
Before that when I left my body I woke up in a cave in the nude. I wasn't cold and I just felt really light. I was on my hands & knees crawling through this tight passage that was dark, dim, and damp. I couldn't get up to walk until a certain point, then the cave opened up. When it did it looked like something out of a fantasy or a dream. It was surreal! This cave had these criss crossing walk ways surrounded by pools of shimmering water. There were all sorts of jewels in the cave walls that illuminated like stars and in the center of this vast network was this tall figure. All the paths led to it and it was so still. From a distance it's whole body was covered by this huge cloak. Suddenly it put out a hand motioning to come near and so I went barely feeling the ground under me. As I got closer I noticed it was far taller then I assumed. Their seem to be something bulging behind it and it had this staff that was covered in markings and jewels. I saw the beings hands and wrist and they were white and really pale, but they were covered in markings like ruins and lines. It looked down at me and it's eyes gleamed from underneath the hood, but I wasn't scared. Also despite the appearance when it's spoke it sounded lovely, but you couldn't pinpoint the beings sex. The voice sounded androgynous and simply amused with my observations. Eventually the voice started to sound more feminine and it opened a fold of it's cloak and wrapped me in it. That's when we ended up back at the hospital and I saw/heard what was going on. The odd thing is I can't tell if it actually spoke or if it was in my head.
The whole surreal experience ended with it asking me if I wanted to stay or not. I hadn't spoken just watched and then I suddenly felt a pain, a sort of sadness that hit me when I saw my family. I wanted to say no it was on the tip of my tongue, because I didn't want to feel more pain. It/he/she sighed sadly and said I had to go back and I wouldn't be seeing them again. (At least not while alive...) I still had things to finish up and do. So the doctor right then had this idea to try this new medicine on me and it was a 50/50 chance. My mother agreed to just try anything so he did and then I felt ill. My spirit which had been above the whole thing felt a jolt and I was being pulled back into my body. It was like an invisible chain had me and I fell a long ways into my shell. I fell in like a meteor and woke up suddenly gasping for air, but my chest was killing me.
I just sat up laughing and crying. It was quite an experience for me.
In my opinion NDE not only affirm faith or fear it depends, but it gives you a small glimpse into a very complex and enchanting world.
The only thing really unsettling is the complete indifference to life and the reactions of others. It matters yet your not swayed by the events. It's just the realization of how heavy and small life actually is...lol long post sorry.
Wow! Such beautiful experience. Not everybody has got that. I appreciate your writing the whole experience, I enjoyed reading it.
Well, my NDE (if that is what it was) during childhood time when I was crossing the road with a friend of mine. He was a distance behind me and called out to me when a car was speeding towards me. I was hit and sent flying up in the air before dropping down onto the road. I felt that I saw myself on the road lying down there for a minute or two. I could see my friend and a large crowd of people surrounding my body while my friend calling out to me. The next minute, I was awaken in a drowsing feeling and not knowing what was going on.
It was a strange experience throughout the whole incident where I do not know if I had OBE or just my imagination.
Technically, even NDE happens in the "imagination" because you are the only one who "sees" and experience the whole "inside incidents".
Technically, that is the only place it occurs.
Yes. Since I was the only person who saw myself, I can't really say that it was OBE or just plain imagination.
Are there anyone else come across OBE for NDE?
These two can be simultaneous, they are closely connected because they both operate in the subconscious mind, there is a difference between a conscious imagination and the subconscious imagination; in that in the conscious imagination we are the creator of those things we imagine therefore we are in control, whereas in the subconscious imagination, we are mere receiver of what the subconscious id doing within us. OBE can become an NDE depending on what the psyche had "stored" as patterns of thining In the "cabinet" of the mind. If fear is the controlling factor then it can cut us from this life, hence the NDE, but if feelings of love and the like is the dominating content in our psyche then the OBE can be a very exhilarating experience and can affect good changes in our waking life. Like I said, each of us human is unique even in our perceptions and interpretations of a given stimulus or experience.
Your explanation sounds logical. Currently I am practising OBE and trying to get connecting with my own guardian angel but without avail. Well, I will keep trying and hopeful one day it will be successful.
Imagination, you can't leave your body, that is pure nonsense.
Grrrrr.... You truly are a Troubled Man. Why are so ANTI-Religion? I don't see anyone forcing anything down your throat on here. If you don't like the topic, don't comment on it! GO WRITE A HUB!!!
Funny how believers keep saying I'm the angry one.
<--- me being angry at your post
Why are you so angry?
Yes, I'm sure you don't.
Odd, I don't recall writing anywhere that I didn't like the topic.
And, I'm quite sure you're probably saying, "GO AWAY!!!"
"Has anybody here been into "Near Death Experience?""
Yep, just a couple days ago:
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What warning? Am I violating anything here? My score is going down every day since I started posting forum topics, I had posted the question why. I am new here and am not into the motive of earning money, I just enjoy the interactions here but if I am violating anything and everybody doesn't want me here any more then I will bow out decently; so what are you trying to say? that I don't belong here? I know that the decreasing score is also caused by hubbers' rating on my hubtivities.
You belong here. My rate keeps going up and down from 75 to 84. The rates mean nothing. When I was in the hospital for surgery for epilepsy, they took me off all of my medications to evaluate my seizures. After the worst one, I stopped breathing for two minutes. Then they started to help me breath. It just took a few puffs and I was breathing on my own again. I don't remember anything. My heart did not stop. But, I don't even remember waking up from the seizure. I was unconsious until the next day.
Yes, some patients just sleep unconsciously under anaesthesia; I envy them because in my case I had been in hospitals 9 times and every time I had to have a specialist anaesthesiologist because ordinary anaesthesia can kill me screaming.
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