Abortion and euthanasia, and suicide all require a cessation of life. For abortion it is a requirement for the cessation of life of the fetus. For euthanasia and suicide, it is a requirement by an already living and viable human being for life to come to an end, or to bring their life to an end.
Allowing that God is the Lord and Giver of all life, and allowing that God as the giver of life is the only one who has the right to re-claim a person' life whether the person be a fetus, or a developed human;
Has any human the right to abort a fetus or end one's life earlier that what God has planned, or is the ending of life, in itself God's Choice? In other words was it God's choice, God's will that you die at the moment that you die?
I don't think the question can be answered.
If I die a ripe old age with a worn out knackered body, I might conclude that God kept me alive. If I am murdered, which sounds like an act against His will, where was God to intervene to prevent it? If I die of a pestilence, is it just bad luck that my immune system was crap; or did God bring it about as a judgement; or was it that those praying had insufficient faith; or did He again choose not to intervene?
People like to say that God chooses when we die because it brings a sense of comfort that we are in his hands, but observation appears to show that death is pretty random.
People abort babies for all sorts of reasons, euthanasia and suicide happen when people can't take anymore. God does not actively prevent these from occurring.
So? Why you want to interfere in other peoples life? Why do you want others to conform to you? It's their choice and what the heck, you got to do with it?
Why should anybody allow your superstition. Why should the world think like you do?
A fetus is inside the womb of a women, and it is that women, most of the times, who bring up the child. Its entirely HER CHOICE, what to do with whatever inside her body.
A humans life is his own choice (unless he is mentally ill), who are you to decide for him?
Euthanasia? You know what it is? Oh! I forgot, you are the people who want human beings to suffer in eternal hell, so you might enjoy other people's sufferings, but again, not all are like that.
jomine: Your negativity toward God is wrong. God gives life and only God has the right to reclaim life by his hands, but one might ask if a child is aborted is that God choosing that action or is it someone else?
What a load of medieval twaddle.
It is a typical christian posture to squeal on about the sanctity of life while millions die in poverty and squalor and wars because they are the 'wrong' religion or refuse to co-operate in the destructive indoctrination that goes with handing out food and medicine.
How suddenly life becomes of no importance if it is someone in some far off country that are complicit agreement in sending your soldiers there to kill.
Dribbling fundamental religious types can see no further than their own noses and can not begin to be able to work out what is actually going on around them - faith is no substitute for reason.
You're right Dave.
There's an awesome movie I saw on tv. "The Memory Keeper's Daughter". Have you ever seen it? The child wasn't aborted, but was born with Down Syndrome, and the father gives the child away because he fears both the kind of life she'll have and the kind of death he thinks she'll have. But still his actions haunt him for the rest of his life, and at the end it's the child who actually shows the true Love that God gives to people.
Your god is your opinion only. So are just pushing your opinions down others throat in the guise of a god. Others are just as educated as yo, if not more and can decide for themselves, without your help.
If you're a believer in what you believe, then you MUST believe abortion, euthanasia and suicide are Gods choices.
God has a plan for everybody, and 60% of pregnancies end with spontaneous abortion, you know, we got to help god by doing his job and abort the other ones so we stick to his plan.
Life can be viewed from any of its infinite angles, but when it is viewed fron the ultimate angle of death, what do you see?
If you then see death as antogonistic to Life, it means that you have not yet seen life neither do you understand it, for even death is merely an image of Life it self and exist only to serve it.
So then a man live unto God/Life and a man dies unto God/Life.
For all things are unto God/Life.
You become the epitome of Life when you die willingly, having full knowledge that you will Live.
I'm against abortion as a form of birth control. If the baby is likely to have a negative imapct on the mothers health, then I think she should have the right to abort the foetus.
G*d may have given life, however free will gives us the right to end our own lives. As for euthanasia, I'm not against it.
Nobody is saying that abortion is a form of birthcontrol, but possibly God chose to end the life, before it got started.
I wasn't inferring anyone was, ( I don't need someone to mention 'it' first, before bringing it up do I?}, I was just stating my personal opinion about abortion, relative to whether the mother had the right to terminate the foetus.
You "can" believe that the possibility exists that God 'chose' to end the life of the foetus, however, I do not.
Honestly, when it comes to suicide, it may be selfish, and that's point... I think it's more understandable in situations of suffering. If someone is seriously suffering, like a man having to spend his life from 25 years of age to 54 in a bed because he is paralyzed from the neck down and is alive but unable to control any of his body parts, if he chooses that he wants to die, let him die. It is HIS decision. HE is the one who has to suffer. If there is a God, is he/she/it so simple that it can't see the true pain that the person is experiencing, not always physically. Shall they have to suffer the agony simply because "they might go to Hell?" Hell no.
Someone who has problems that are a less serious/extreme, yea, there are probably other ways out, but honestly, sometimes the thought of being absent from a world with so many pressures and responsibilities seems quite appealing to some, and when they lose what little they have, or come under enormous pressures just that they just can't handle, they can act emotionally, and may choose to commit suicide.
At the end of the day, it is still their choice. Even if family members are negatively affected by it, they just have to find a way to survive, because ultimately their loved one made a decision that they had the right to make, even if it wasn't the best or only one. Celebrate their lives, and move on, however hard that might be or however angry/sad you are. Of course, this is just my take on the matter. I know that personally, my mother has asked me to pull the plug for her if she's ever completely paralyzed or in a vegetative state. I would be devastated that 1)Something that serious happened to her and 2) That it would be my responsibility to let them know what she wants, that she prefers Euthanasia to that kind of suffering. It would kill me and I would miss her. I would have to find a way to move on, unfortunately. But it's her decision, and if I love her, and it's what she really wants and would prefer, I must respect that.
I have no answers for the abortion side. I know where I stand personally on that. But, it's certainly even more complicated than this euthanasia stuff.
If what you say is true and god should be the one to take all life and not leave it up to the person then it just gives me one more reason to be atheist! Why would anyone want to worship someone who believes a girl should be forced to have her father's child, or a man to suffer with cancer until he rots away. Man I don't understand why anyone would want to worship such a mean being! I'll pass!
"Allowing that God is the Lord and Giver of all life, and allowing that God as the giver of life is the only one who has the right to re-claim a person' life whether the person be a fetus, or a developed human;"
Then I must be God if every decision must be God's.
Do we have a right to abort a unborn baby? Yes, we do have a right-that is free will- but no in most cases it isn't the righteous or lets make it clear the right choice.
God has set before us life and death, blessings and curse.
One of the things that God hates is to shed innocent blood.
Their are cases where the mother will die because of carrying a child in there womb and I think that this is the only way that this choice doesn't bring us into sin. Or for being forced against our own will to do so- like in other countries- the one sending the order for it and those that do the abortion will be held accountable by God.
This world makes the choice to not have or carry a baby for all the wrong reasons and it all equals sin- Such as for selfish reasons for not letting the baby live and at that give it away to someone who can love it, and take care of it.
Some instances the baby was conceived in sinful circumstances and than sometimes it is cold blooded murder because they are trying to cover up the guilt and shame of an action they regret- not even thinking much about the baby being there own flesh and blood- and GOD has a purpose for that unborn child.
If we honored God and knew God than it would grieve us to do such a thing.
The seeds we sow God promises we will reap it and that all people will have to stand and give an account to God of what they have done.
The only way that has been made for us to have restoration and forgiveness from all sin is through Jesus Christ.
Now if God's people would humble thereself and seek his face he would be found, If we do not heed/listen to God than there's no way we can have his blessings in our life. In Duet 28 it tells us the benefits of following God & also the results of not honoring or seeking God.
Also we should follow God because of the love, protection, guidance, and peace that he gives- it isn't like the worlds false peace that comes in the form of the pleasure that comes from sin that will only last for just a short time/season. Our peace can never be stolen and God never tricks or lies to us.
You know many that have had an abortion have dreams all the time of a lost baby that they can't find, OR something else pertaining to there lost child- there baby is for sure in God's hands but the only way to be reunited with there lost child is through Jesus Christ.
God will forgive us, not saying to go and do it- for if God is in one's heart it would grieve them to even think of killing that which God created.
The only way for this type of tortures pain, regret, and condemnation to leave is through Jesus. Jesus heals the broken hearts that are bogged down with the pain sin produces.
God's people perish for the lack of knowledge, We should seek God for His will and get into his word and find out how powerful, loving and faithful God truly is and let him help us through everything, we have not because we ask not of God who gives good gifts to his children. Lets not be one that won't even ask for help from God- All things are possible with God and all we need is to be faithful to God who loved us first. In this we will never be condemned or ashamed.
Here's a scripture> Romans 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
Oregon, where I live, has assisted suicide. Having been in the health field, I need to remind this forum that the statement "living and viable" is not always the case. Here, you can't terminate yourself unless you are terminal. If there is no possibility of a cure and death would be a release from misery and pain. I worked in Montana. One patient was terminal (Before any state allowed assisted suicide) he had emphysema, and not long to live. One day, he grabbed my sleeve, looked me in the eye, and said "Please...kill me!" freeing my sleeve, I told him I couldn't do that, and walked away. I felt inhuman and inhumane. He died two weeks later, most of which he recognized no one and was in constant misery. I could kill an injured mouse, even a fly...but I couldn't kill him.
Heavenbound: You claim we have the right to abort a yet to be born child of God, Who gives us the right to end a life, that came from and belongs to God? If the health,safety, and life of the mother is in danger, then maybe God agrees too. I agree we should ever seek God's knowledge in all things. I agree that the answer to all problems, if and when we choose to seek God out and seek his guidance and knowledge and wisdom.
This is a hard question which I usually avoid answering being a man. If one chooses this route (abortion) to terminate the life of a fetus then presently they have a legal right to do so. The morality is argued up one side and down the other. One thing I do know is that if a woman chooses to abort her child she will probably have to answer to a higher authority than anything earthly.
All I know is, if my mama had retained the services of some abortion doctor to tear me from out of her womb, I would not be a contributor to HubPages today.
Medical ethics is a complicated area and all I can say is I'm glad I don't have to make policies for other people.
A good argument for having an advanced medical directive (AMD) to make sure if you find yourself unable to communicate your wishes they are clearly spelled out.
DD, your story of the man with emphysema gave me the shivers.
My mom died of the same disease and it was hard to watch.
At the moment she drew her last (tortured) breath, my father was in church praying for God to release her from her body and take her. He believed and she believed that was God's plan. Who am I to doubt it?
I really don't like the idea that people assume God decides who lives or dies. So, when people are murdered in the streets every day, or die in a horrible accident or have their entire city wiped out by an atomic bomb, that was all God's doing? And, complete human idiots had nothing to do with it?
The only reason I responded to this, is because my brother is currently very ill with brain cancer. When he was younger he did not believe there was a god, but then he made a complete turn around, and not only believes there is a god, he started going to church twice a week, and became a member of the board at his local church, only to be shunned by god, who is now slowly taking his life.
I think people who are dying of illness, should have the right to decide wether they live or die, and should not have to wait for god to make the choice for them. Those who do wait for God, are in such misery by the time they leave this world, why doesn't this all powerful god spare them from it? Why does he assume that people need to suffer and die for any reason? Why create all this illness and death, if he is so great and loving?
I'm sorry, but I am not going to put my trust in a god that says he loves you, and there is a place for you in his kingdom, when he shadows the word with sickness, death, and doubt. Christians, will of course say, that's not gods doing it's satan. I say bull crap. Satan didn't destroy sodom and gommarah, Satan didn't bring plauges down on egypt, satan didn't get his panties in a bunch and flood the earth. Our so called loving god did.
But, I'm just ranting. personally Satan and God are probably sitting in front of their computer right now holding hands and laughing right now. Screw both of them. I'll die when I'm darn good and ready.
Amen and indeed!
Actually,Yahweh commits good and evil per Isiaiah 45:9. Please, don't rationalize that, Christians!
And Yahweh hardened Pharoah's heart so as to do even more murder!
To blabber His ways are above ours commits the argument from ignorance and blasphemes morality and - humanity!
God's will is just a superstition. Theism is just reduce animism and just as superstitious.
This is quite hard.
I believe God is sovereign but I think a heathen is free to choose what kind of sin he's going to do. But once you're a christian, you are now convicted.
If you believe in God, you must accept that it is God's plan for us to die at a certain time. The method he chooses by which to take us is irrelevant.
The women are left to live a life of shame with their heads down...unworthy and full of the judgement of their fellow man.....who somehow escape that same fate after belonging to an organzation responsible for the molesting and raping of young boys.
Kill children in war.
Watch as children die from hunger and lack of medical attention.
But as long as they can point the finger, it's all good.
Per Lamberth's argument from autonomy, in accordance with the UN and with Morgan's Canon we are free beings who owe nothing to any Spreme Being. To prattle that we are His clay is to betray humanity! Those who help themselves,help themselves without divine input.Their faith is no more than a crutch for that. They can get real help through naturalism- the road to that more abundant life that that ever dead Galilean cult leader wouldn't have fathomed!
Reason saves." Fr. Griggs
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