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Is there no heaven for Jehovah Witness women

  1. Castlepaloma profile image24
    Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago

     I ask a Jehovah woman that came to my door

    Will only 144,000 men make it to heaven , She said yes.

    There will be no heaven for me or for women or paradise on earth, can that be true?

    1. Dave Mathews profile image59
      Dave Mathewsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      If you believe in the Holy Bible as the truth and the true word of God and Jesus, then the Jehovah Witness is totally WRONG!

      The Bible teaches that all who believe in Jesus and accept Him as their redeemer will be saved and go to heaven. See John 14;6 and John 3:14-18 in the Holy Bible.

      1. A Troubled Man profile image59
        A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Sorry Dave, but just because someone believes in a particular set of scriptures does not make their scriptures right and other scriptures wrong. The Bible could be just as right or wrong as any other scriptures and no one will ever really know which one is right until we all see which God actually exists.

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          passingthewordposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          troubled the bible never lies. us as humans are the ones that mess up the true word of God.
          If we go toward him, like children. we will get the right answers.

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          passingthewordposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          troubled the bible never lies. us as humans are the ones that mess up the true word of God.
          If we go toward him, like children. we will get the right answers.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image24
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            Trouble, Beware
            ..... you being programed here, until you accept it as fact

          2. A Troubled Man profile image59
            A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            The Bible was written by humans. Note your contradiction.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image24
              Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              LOL  note that most of the Bible is full of contradiction

              1. Joy56 profile image59
                Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

                The bible is 66 small books, and has a theme running from Genesis to Revelation.  It takes a long time to study and understand the seeming contradictions.   Hope that does not sound condescending, of course that is my feeling on the  subject.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  There are groups who consider themselves superior to others. I think anyone can be to some degree guilty of being condescending or Bias.

                  The extreme difference between JW blind faith and an  Intellectuals Atheist would be a high degree of Condescending action happening there. You would find my degree, some what in the middle of all that, thinking everyone is God. Either way I live in a world of a marketplace of ideas where everybody is busted on their BS from time to time ...

                  Check out
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        3. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          If a person thinks about God and realizes that john 3:16 says For God so loved the (people) in the (whole) world that he gave his Son that Whosoever should believe should be saved.

          Does this speak of only men and not women?

          Jesus said: there is no marriage in heaven for all are as the angels.

          So no women, no men. Just spiritual bodies on the astral plane forever and ever.

          So sorry troubled your limited understanding has once again allowed the mud to be over your head. We do not even need the bible to ferret  the correctness of this doctrine. God is by relationship experience, Love.

          1. Joy56 profile image59
            Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            well even though they may not be men and women in body when they go to heaven, i think he means whether they were men or women when they were on earth.  I dont particularly want to go to heaven do you?  If i could choose between staying on earth with paradise conditions, or going to heaven, i think i would stay here,

          2. A Troubled Man profile image59
            A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            lol So, you inject magical thinking (spiritual bodies - astral plane) in order to provide an explanation and then tell me I have "limited understanding". Hilarious.

            To actually have an "understanding" you would need to provide evidence for spiritual bodies and astral planes, not just make some unfounded, faith based declaration.

      2. vector7 profile image61
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well said Dave.

        I love scripture references.

        smile

    2. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      What scripture says IS that 144,000  "PERFECT"  people are chosen.  They have never, never even kissed a girl, or told a lie, or anything anybody would consider to be a BAD thing.

         These are going to have a special favor in his heart. They get to go first.
      And then some time later the rest of us that want to, can go (if we want to ?)

        That is the basic story! :   and everyone can add their own words to it and have their own interpretation ..     IF we want to?

      1. pisean282311 profile image59
        pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        never kissed a girl...ha ha ha....thats funny...

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      passingthewordposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      who are the 144,000 ? they are the ones that come back with Jesus Christ at the millennium to teach.
      the 144,000 are the teachers there are billions more in heaven.

      1. pisean282311 profile image59
        pisean282311posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        nope 1,44,000 are only who goes to heaven...scripture said so...it is final...PERIOD

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          passingthewordposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          where?

          1. Castlepaloma profile image24
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            fill the whole earth. (Isa 27:6) The next text of scripture describes specific attributes and characteristics of the 144000. Rev 14: Further description of the 144000 ...

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              passingthewordposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Rev 5:  11And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
              That is 100,000,000 people.
              Isa 27 is talking about when Jesus comes back for judgement and he comes back with 144,000. read isa 26. rev 14 talks about the samething
              Rev 146And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

              7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

              Like i said before.
              they are the ones that come back with Jesus Christ at the millennium to teach.
              the 144,000 are the teachers there are billions more in heaven.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                No other numbers are given higher than 144,000 in the bible

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                  passingthewordposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                  it saids 10,000 times 10,000 and 1,000's of 1,000, This is much more then 144,000. it does give a number you just need to add it up. I am sure there is more then that.
                  Open you mind to the word of God

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                    Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                    If open minded means my whole life must live in a bible box, I'm sure my brains would fall out


                    witnessed Satan and his angels fall from heaven ... And the number of them was10,000 times 10,000, and 1000's and 1000's ... All things are going to be made new. Even if a made up number of 100 million go to heaven. Take and add all the people who ever lived on the earth, which comes to 100 billion, now what about all their souls.


                    Revelation 19:21And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.


                    No Military Could Survive The Sermon On The Mountain -

                    At His second or third coming, He will kill billions of people with 1 sword.

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      ecoethicalveganposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Jehovah's Witnesses believe that it will be 'just men' that are a part of the 144,000. They are a 'male dominated society, however having said that, there is a role of teaching their version of the bible that is assigned to women too.

      Paradise for the remainder of humans that are alive will be on Earth.

      The date for this has been changed several times, because as they say "new light has been revealed, but they kept changing the date because the date would come and nothing would happen, so they had to keep moving the date forward, now there is NO date, just a set of circumstances, because they were losing a lot of witnesses, because of all the wrongly predicted dates.

      Jesus is supposed to come along with the 144,000 to slay the devil for ever. He will then ressurect the 'believers' that were dead, and paradise will be on Earth forever.

      So if you don't believe and become a baptized JW, then your 'goose' is cooked. Sounds remarkably like christianity and like the muslims and like the jewish religions to me.

    5. sdmathis profile image81
      sdmathisposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      My family were JWs when I was a Kid (late 60's) and back then they believed that both men and women will be part of the 144,000. I don't know what they believe now.

      1. Joy56 profile image59
        Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        three cheers for you, they still believe that.......

    6. calpol25 profile image76
      calpol25posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I wrote a hub about the Jehovas Witnesses - well how to get rid of them from knocking on your day. But I also wrote another one about the hell they endured through the nazis too because of their beliefs.

      I say each to their own, Joy can you help me I hope this is not wrong but - I think that ,maybe people are getting the text wrong like the other christians do - as what I think is in the eyes of Jehovah you are all an army so that will be men and women so in that approach most armies refer to soldiers as men so in that reference women will also be known as men when referring to the army. So maybe women will be welcomed just the same as men. smile
      Just my thoughts smile

      1. Joy56 profile image59
        Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        well i think because the people that take the lead in the congregation are men, and i am so happy about that, as they work very hard, and long, i would hate to have to do it.....  they presume, that in Jehovah's Witness religion, women are classed as second class, but they are not.

        We believe 144,000 go to heaven, but not all j.w's people from right back in the days of Jesus, both and women. 

          Somewhere it says women are a large army preaching the good news, but i think that is another issue, i will go to read your hub.   They were indeed treated very badly at the hands of the Nazi's. 

        They wore a purple triangle, and although not many know about it, they were treated like the jews many put to death.

        1. calpol25 profile image76
          calpol25posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          They were very brave against the Nazis and should be commended they could openly leave the camps if they renounced their faith and join the nazis but hardly any of them did... Sheer Bravery smile

          1. Joy56 profile image59
            Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            My son who is a teacher now in Florida, did a whole years study on it all..... I must take a look at your hub.

            credit where credit is due.....

            1. calpol25 profile image76
              calpol25posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              Thank you Joy smile

            2. calpol25 profile image76
              calpol25posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              here is the hub http://calpol25.hubpages.com/hub/Forgot … -Witnesses if you cant find it smile

    7. preacher2003 profile image61
      preacher2003posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      JW's are a cult and do not believe in the Jesus of the Bible and a host of other issues -

      unless they accept JESUS CHRIST as savior - they will none go to Heaven -

      1. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        JW'S do follow the bible as close as they can to the last word, right on up to the last people on earth and the 144.000 in heaven.

        JW's strongly believe Jesus is the savior and push the OT too.

    8. Bmm209 profile image74
      Bmm209posted 5 years ago in reply to this

      often when speaking about people, "men" is used with Jehovah Witnesses. That doesn't mean that we only mean men. This promise also applies to women too. Just like the word "mankind" refers to both genders.

      It's also possible that she had her information wrong. She may have made a mistake.

      For more info, try visit the official site of JWs, http://www.watchtower.org/

      One of Jehovah's Witnesses smile

      1. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        It happen a few time with JWs women that  i have met

        1. Joy56 profile image59
          Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          next time you see one, you will be able to put them right about it.....

          1. Castlepaloma profile image24
            Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I'm sure they will see me first.

            1. Joy56 profile image59
              Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              you will open the door then?????

              1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Always open to any fellow Man or Woman, even though I don't agree

  2. iantoPF profile image87
    iantoPFposted 5 years ago

    Perhaps it should be looked at rather differently;
    Revelation Ch 7 V.4 “I heard the number of them which were sealed. An hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.”
    The number 12 gets a mystical symbolism among the Hebrews because there are 12 months in the year and so 12 signs of the Zodiac. The number referred to completeness. So 12 tribes is the complete children of Israel. 12 times 12 means absolutely complete. A thousand was the highest number that had a name in Roman times and so 144,000 means. A lot of them. It does not have to be taken literally.

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      That is true, but then I wonder why a scripture later mentions a group so large that a man couldn't count them.

         If they both mean the same thing; why does he describe them differently?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I asked this Jehovah witness woman (in which she had with another old lady member with her) Where would all women go if not to heaven,  to hell?
        She said No, we women await for the second coming of a Christ, we lay    dead on earth until God come to get us. In which  for all the women who believe in him with good deed will entre Heaven.

        If I added up all the deaths, that have been on earth. It come out to 100 billion people going to hell, that is a hell of a lot of torture for eternity for all our love ones,  all because God love you and I

        From the many of the  insane thing like this one in one sect, in among the 38000 Christian denominations in the world. Wail each one always end up giving their final answer of : You gotta have faith, along with a numbing craved glazed stare.

        1. howtosolutions profile image60
          howtosolutionsposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I use to have a close friend whose religion is jehovah's witness. I believe they doesn't beleive in the life after death idea. For them, what we currently have here on earth is the one to consider either heaven or earth.

        2. Joy56 profile image59
          Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I have to say that this is not the teaching of Jehovah's Witnesses, Both men and women will be among the ones that go to heaven.

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            ecoethicalveganposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            hmmm, I guess I was wrong about that then, I thought it was just the men that were part of the 144,000, thanx for correcting me smile

  3. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 5 years ago

    I am constantly amazed how many Christians do not read their bible; OR do not understand what they have read. They depent on the preacher or neighbor to tell them what is written in scripture and what to think about that which is written.

      The 144,000 mentioned in Revelation are the same people as the "Children of Daniels People" talked about in Daniel 12:1.

      This is very explicit as to who they are and how many there will be.
    Rev 14:4 They are virgins and in their mouths was found No guile.
      They are the first fruits. found to be worthy to go to heaven even without Christ's sacrifice.
     
      Back in the Old Days  Before their crops are harvested the farmer would pick some of whatever their crop was as a sample for their buyer to see. This would be the best that could be found in their fields.
      And then after a price was established, the fields were harvested and taken to market.
      And then there would be a last and final harvest.
      This is part of the reason the Rapture and Rescurrections are described this way.

    "Rapture"  =  Only perfect examples
      First resurrection =  first harvest = 80% of the harvest.
      Second resurrection = gleaning of the fields =  picking that which was passed over the first time for one reason or another.
     
      The scriptures describe these as being three entirely different events at three different times.

  4. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 5 years ago

    ecoethicalvegan wrote
    Jehovah's Witnesses believe that it will be 'just men' that are a part of the 144,000. They are a 'male dominated society, however having said that, there is a role of teaching their version of the bible that is assigned to women too.
    - - - -

      me
      Well,  scripture, how it has been translated does indicate that it will be Men that are Raptured; even though Jesus did say that two women will be in the fields, one will be taken and the other left behind.
       SSOooo we have a discrepancy in this area.
    ==========================================================

    ecoethicalvegan wrote
    Paradise for the remainder of humans that are alive will be on Earth.

    - - - --  --
       
    ME
      Rev. chapter 20 ...  The saints (Those who have been killed) are seen "IN HEAVEN" where they will reign with Christ for 1000 years, and when the 1000 years are finished, Satan will be released from the pit. Then the sixth bowl will be poured out and the Dragon, the beast and False prophet go out to gather the kings of the earth for that Last great battle.
       It is after this (second resurrection) that Paradise will be here on earth.

       IF we look closely ...  the 1000 years that Satan is bound in the pit is contained within the 42 months that the beast is given to blaspheme.
       This is all found in chapter 20 if we look closely.
       At the beginning of the 1000 years those that didn't take the mark of the Beast reign with Christ.
       At the end of the 1000 years the beast, false prophet and Satan gather the kings of the earth together.
       So,  the 42 months in prophesy is a longer period of time that 42 nonths on earth.

    ==============================================

    ecoethicalvegan wrote
    The date for this has been changed several times, because as they say "new light has been revealed, but they kept changing the date because the date would come and nothing would happen, so they had to keep moving the date forward, now there is NO date, just a set of circumstances, because they were losing a lot of witnesses, because of all the wrongly predicted dates.

    Jesus is supposed to come along with the 144,000 to slay the devil for ever. He will then ressurect the 'believers' that were dead, and paradise will be on Earth forever.

    So if you don't believe and become a baptized JW, then your 'goose' is cooked. Sounds remarkably like christianity and like the muslims and like the jewish religions to me.
    - - - - - -

       When people read scriptures they are not seeing what is written, they are seeing that which they have been taught that the words are said to be saying.
     
      It is kinda like we have been hypnotized to see what isn't there.

  5. Joy56 profile image59
    Joy56posted 5 years ago

    Sorry to repeat myself, but Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that only men will go to heaven.  Neither are they male dominated.   The men and women share in the house to house work, as the first post shows.  Unfortunately the information he was given was wrong, it absolutely does not teach within that religion that only men go to heaven..... I can quote from there books, but people generally dont like that, so i will avoid it... Honestly i should know....

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      ecoethicalveganposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, you're right that they share in the house to house witnessing work, the women also contribute to acting on 'stage platforms' at Kingdom Halls, and District Conventions, to help with encouraging other 'witnesses and non witnesses,' they also take active roles in 'Bible studies' (The NEW World Translation), to be exact, which is a bible version translated and the only approved version for them to teach from)

      However when there is a JW male present, it is only they the males that lead in prayer, or give public talks at their 'Watchtower' meetings, and also it is only 'males' that become 'Elders' or 'Ministerial' Servants.

      In addition, it is only males that preside over and lead in the Kingdom Hall construction fields, and only 'males' that are 'Presiding Overseers' or 'District Overseers'

      As for going to 'heaven,' JWs are going to have their 'paradise' here on Earth, not in heaven with the 144,000, also when the 144,000 go to heaven, they will be 'genderless.

      It's a 'JOY' to hear your comment Joy56 smile

      1. Joy56 profile image59
        Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        I have no problem, with any of the above statement.   Am totally at ease with their teachings, and some will go to heaven, but not the majority.....

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          ecoethicalveganposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          yes I agree with you Joy and appreciate your view...thanx

        2. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          I only asked a few Jehovah witness members and a  few of them, told me that Women are not going to heaven. I don't care to have angry discussion about the 144,000 written in the Bible and to sort out all it's myths from facts from within all the disagreeable Christian denomination. That would be like a never ending suffering  bag of Christian luggage to drag around throughout a whole lifetime without solutions for me. It only amazing how such blind faith works and how it continues to exist with lack of or absence of reasoning behind it.

          Joy56

          Off topic,  my art business in Canada almost taxed me to death, is Ireland tax free for artist?

          1. Joy56 profile image59
            Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            ha ha ha ha ha ha ....... not completely tax free, but they seem to look after the artistically motivated people......  we certainly pay lots of tax but we are not really artists.....

  6. Disturbia profile image60
    Disturbiaposted 5 years ago

    If only 144,000 men are going to heaven, what would be the point for a woman to be a Jehovah's Witness?  Not to be cynical, but from what I've observed the payoff or reward for followers of any religion is their place in the afterlife. If there is no reward, why follow the religion?

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It is written that  The 144,000 are the first to go to heaven.

        First buss so-to-speak.  It is kinda like the 12 disciples are the supreme Court judges, and the 144,000 are the members of the senate.
        And the rest of us are citizens.

      1. Disturbia profile image60
        Disturbiaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Which means what exactly for the "rest" of the citizens?  Do they get into heaven or not?

        1. Jerami profile image77
          Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Yep   they do.  In fact many self rightious folks are going to be suprised to see who All is there.

            Heaven is where the general population will be,

            The kingdom of heaven is something else.

          1. Disturbia profile image60
            Disturbiaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

            So, there are an elite few who will be going to the "Kingdom of Heaven" and the rest of us will be left to fend for ourselves in the "general population" Heaven?

            1. Joy56 profile image59
              Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

              do you want to go to Disturbia???????

              1. Disturbia profile image60
                Disturbiaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

                Do I want to go to Heaven?   I was raised Catholic and unfortunately I can't unteach myself the things I learned as a child, regardless of how irrational or illogical many of them seem.  I don't know whether there is a Heaven or not.  We can believe or not believe, that is our choice, but none of us will know for sure until we get there.  Till then, I keep an open mind.

            2. Jerami profile image77
              Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I think you missed the point I was making.

                I think!  that the 144,000 ;  since they knew how to do everything right, and fairly, justly, they will be the teachers or examples.

                Just as it should be here on earth (should be) that all the judges who preside over the courts NOT be guilty of having committed any felonies past or present.

                 According to scripture, each and everyone will be rewarded according to their good deeds.  Do we consider it to be our punishment when we do not receive      as many rewards as someone else?  Do we call that preferential treatment?

                 I would think that those who receive the fewest rewards for they did the fewest good deeds would answer both questions as YES.

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      Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      JW believe Christ will reign over a paradise earth. Only 144,000 throughout history will rein in heaven with God.  They assume the last of the 144,000 are in their ranks.

      When they observe the passover they don't eat or drink. They consider themselves unworthy. If someone does, the info is sent straight to headquarters. They'll determine if the one who did is one of the last of the chosen. I don't know what happens if it is determined they aren't. I guess they have to spit it out.

      1. Joy56 profile image59
        Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        they do not consider themselves unworthy at all.....

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          Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          You might share that with the locals. They'd be surprised to hear that. smile

          1. Joy56 profile image59
            Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            why if you dont want to go to heaven, are you unworthy if you dont.....

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              Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I've never heard any say they didn't want to go to heaven. Why would someone not want to go to heaven, if they believed in one?

  7. Toolsonline profile image60
    Toolsonlineposted 5 years ago

    I think all those books were written by people and adjusted and modified over the centuries to meet various peoples needs so who knows what "god" really wants and will do - he has not told us personally that I know of!

    1. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Your post make senses, except your anarchist like photo of yourself, yet still, I like it too

    2. Disturbia profile image60
      Disturbiaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      It has always been about  a powerful elite using the promise of eternal life or the threat of eternal damnation to manipulate the behavior of the masses, under the guise of holy scripture and the word of God.

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        PAMITCHRUSposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Hey I'm with Disturbia on this one  .. well put !!!!

        And to add to the many truths that Jerami wrote remember that this "Heaven" is to be here on earth.. The Kingdom of God is right here on this earth.. This is the time that the Prophets spoke of..  The time when the ruling Lion (our Jesus) would lay down with the lambs not eat them up like the present Lion is doing..That time when the  Great One will with his chosen one's rule the earth and lead the nations to life.. These are the days spoken of by Issiah when men would learn the right way and walk in it.. A time of probation for all those left alive at the coming of the Lord.. A time of ruling with  all authority.. Bad lion out.. Good Lion In .. :0)..

           Now we also know  that those left alive to inhabit this kingdom of God here on earth  will be made up of mostly the poor, the afflicted, the scum of the earth.Remember our Jesus himself  said that the worst of sinners would enter the kingdom before the self - righteous religious entered the Kingdom.
         
          Now the False Prophet and the Beast, the Church and the State,  at the coming of the Lord they shall die by what they lived by.. As to the State, the powers that be, that they lived by the sword,  they are gathered to that valley where after being given those swords they slay one another till that river of blood written about be fulfiled. The Great Wine Press of the Wrath of God has been trodden till it runnet over, yet still more remain..
         
           Now the False Prophet , those whose taught and proudly held to  the doctrine of devils and demons. They, being so hellbent on hell, shall be cast into the lake of fire.. that fire orginally meant for and made for the sinning angels. Jesus said what manner of judgement you used would be used against you.

           Thererfore a taste of their own medicine will most certainly cure them of this wicked spirt of endless venengance.  Matter of fact I imagine only a few seconds of what they felt to be ok, for time without end,  for others will bring about a change of their spirit.. I assure you by the spirit of the Lord that those who would judge endless torture to be a righteous judgement will be disqualified from Jury Duty !!!  Oh my the wages of sin is death and only death.. the very fact that all men are to be ressurected is the good news of the gospel !!!  Better a live man above ground with a second chance than to forever sleep ... this is what our Savior did purchase for all men..  behold the Lamb of God who has taken away the sins of the world.
         
            The demise of  False Prophet then fulfiles  where it is written that the righteous will trod upon the ashes of the wicked..

            even so come Lord Jesus, come lead us to life !!!!
           


         

           I can

  8. Joy56 profile image59
    Joy56posted 5 years ago

    good idea, i just could never imagine being happy in heaven.... is all.

  9. Joy56 profile image59
    Joy56posted 5 years ago

    i suppose because different beliefs teach different things.  Even in the lords prayer we were taught, that it says our kingdom come on earth.....  if you do not have a clear picture of heaven, and what it would be like to live there.  Something as familiar as earth, in more peaceful conditions appeal to me.....


       I think i am right in saying that lots of religions dont necessarily teach you go to heaven..... I could be wrong there of course.......

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      Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      You were correct. We would all be prone to imagine an afterlife we were comfortable with. I'll be honest, I don't have a great deal of respect for JW beliefs. Russell and Rutherford conducted themselves in such a manner that it would be difficult to label them spiritual men.  I've noticed the religion pointedly ignores the actions of their founders. Top that with the translation of the Bible that conveniently supports their agenda, without being able to show scholarly work in the translation and it leaves one to shake one's head.  They are good people (the ones I know) but that doesn't equate to truth on a spiritual level.

    2. AnnaCia profile image83
      AnnaCiaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I feel I am intruding here.  I am researching and studying about JW religion.  I am trying to imagine all these bodies being resurrected, some old, some young, they are dirty and their bodies putrified.  If a person who is 90 years old, who has been in peace being dead, is resurrected, does that mean he will keep being that old man?  I mean, I would not like to be resurrected at 70 years old and continue in life FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE IN PARADISE.  How does that work?  Why do I want to retain a body that is so limited.  I would like to be energy or a spirit, but not to feel.  There is a part of the book I am reading that points out how the group of the first resurrected will go to heaven to be part of a "marvelous Kingdom government" .  With all respect, allow me to say that This JW's idea brings me a vision of dictatorship.  My GOd is not a dictator.  It makes me uneasy and sad to imagine that I would be resurrected.  A body need to rest. just an opinion.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. Most people worry too much about death, to the point, they forget how to live, even with clean hands. I sense my spirit or energy transforms into something and my best guess is I will know when I get there, and  nothing will prevent me for living for today

  10. Joy56 profile image59
    Joy56posted 5 years ago

    i know lots of people do  not agree with Jehovah's Witness. teaching.  I cant agree with everything you say, but that is life i suppose....  I have looked in to lots of religions, actually.

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      Emile Rposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Me too. I find them fascinating, but each has their own set of blinders. Maybe one day I'll run across one that has blinders to match my own.

      1. Joy56 profile image59
        Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        to find the truth would be absolutely wonderful......  we are supposed to keep searching for it, as if it were hidden treasure..... it must be in there somewhere....

        1. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Why are all the hidden treasures, just the Bible?  Why not find treasures and degrees of truth among a million other good books. Even better, why not learn more from pictures rather than from the ancient words.  All people see pictures first in their minds before words appear in their mind.

          Why not go back to the dawn of civilization  of arts and cultures 35.000 BC about 29,000 years before Adam and Eve?. Image if we worship the smartest man in the cave back then, how much smarter than we would be today.

          1. Joy56 profile image59
            Joy56posted 5 years ago in reply to this

            I know what you mean and i love art.  However even the best artist only has a short life....

            My belief is that god is eternal, and he is the supreme artist.  I actually tend not to talk about my beliefs on here, and certainly never quote scripture, as it offends many.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image24
              Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

              I love to see Scripture explain dinosaurs and the 7 million people who lived  on earth before Adam and Eve. I know Yahweh in the bible really dislike the 650 million year old immortal jelly fish, he want people to act like dolphin, kind of over bias over all his so called perfect Creations.  God should be busted for creating weeds and pot for more people smoke it than there are Christians in the world.

  11. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 5 years ago

    Scripture does say that they are all virgins  ... 

      Ya can't interpret that under the carpet.

  12. suzettenaples profile image90
    suzettenaplesposted 5 years ago

    I thought you left hubpages?  When did you return?

  13. Joy56 profile image59
    Joy56posted 5 years ago

    me..... i come and go

  14. Joy56 profile image59
    Joy56posted 5 years ago

    a body was never meant to die.....  only because of inherit sin does it die.  The bibe promise that people will be resurrected, as in their youth.  God has in his memory all the personality traits.  We will recognise our dead loved ones, as the ones who died first will be resurrected first.  It is a great promise, that is held out for us..... Of course not everyone believes this, but it is written within the pages of the bible.

  15. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 5 years ago

    Joy56 wrote:
    to find the truth would be absolutely wonderful......  we are supposed to keep searching for it, as if it were hidden treasure..... it must be in there somewhere....


    - - = = - =

       Me   
       I think that this secret is hidden  in the first chapter v 26 ...
    "Let US make man in our image".
       Who was he talking to?   US!

      It is also written that our names were written in the book of Life before the foundations of the earth were laid.  ....  cause we were there.

       And in the book of Revelation it is written that the earth and everything was created for pleasure.

      When this physical body dies we go back to where we were before; doing something similar to what we were doing before.

       If we are going to live forever AND forever in heaven, we are going to need a break once in a while.  So we break away and come down here for a while.

      Some might say we Fall down here. 
      But we are not suposed to know all of that while we are here.   
      If we knew this is the way it is, ...

       All hell would break loose.

       I'm not swearing to this,  though I am leaning in this direction.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      I hear the Vatican hold many of these hidden treasures of secretes and stores them in gold

  16. Misty May profile image78
    Misty Mayposted 5 years ago

    I give up. I can't even finish reading all the replies. How about everybody agrees to disagree. I have a headache and only got half way down the page.

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      ecoethicalveganposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      lol!...aspirin helps me smile

      1. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Imagine trying to live the lifestyle.

        Oh the other hand, no brain, no pain

  17. Joy56 profile image59
    Joy56posted 5 years ago

    nice one.

  18. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 5 years ago

    passingtheword wrote

      Rev 5:  11And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
    That is 100,000,000 people.


       =====================


    ME ,,  One thing that I notice is that this is saying there are that many around the throne and Yet ... and the Lamb hasn't even taken the book of Life.
    Had not even opened a single seal.
       
       Some time passes before the sixth seal is opened and then ... there is a great number that no man can count.
       This is a different group of beings than the one previously mentioned.
       The seventh seal is opened and nothing happens  EXCEPT that a period of time is described as passing "AND THEN"  The seven trumpets are handed out.

       In my opinion these seal judgments were inflicted upon the Hebrew peoples.
       Has any one ever wondered what all of those "AND THENs" are refering to.

      A chronoligical order is being referenced!

    It is some time after this that the beast rising up out of the sea is seen rising up to power.
       It is given 42 (prophetic) months in which it will blaspheme and fool many to worship it.  Then Satan gives it his power and seat. then Satan is bound for 1000 years and when He is released;  He, the Beast and False Prophet are seen going out to gather together the kings of the earth for that last great battle.

       According to scripture the 1000 years are contained within the 42 months that the beast is given.

       It is during the 42 months of the beast that those described in C. 20 are seen in heaven.
       This is a third different time that a number of people are described as being seen in heaven yet this one time is said to be The first rescurrection.

      Three different groups of people described at three different times.


       This is hard to explain  SSOooooo   everybody just pretend it isn't so and group everything together in a nice little pile and say these are All going to happen within a 3 1/2 year (our time) time frame   At some time in the future.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image24
      Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

      Let say, 100 million make it to Heaven

      Will over 6 billion people go to hell?

      Should I be, very very afraid?

      1. vector7 profile image61
        vector7posted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Last sentence.

        Yes.

        Fear is healthy when danger is real.

        Yes, aware of your denial. But, I'm telling you because I care.

        Shouldn't mock God Castle.

        smile

        1. A Troubled Man profile image59
          A Troubled Manposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          It isn't God who is being mocked, it is the ridiculous irrational beliefs spouted by believers that are being mocked.

          However, if you could show us your God, the mocking would cease. smile

        2. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago in reply to this

          Let God send down a lightening bolt and kill every comedian and anyone who has ever mocked or told a joke about God.

          I would say that would be the End of the World for sure, it's bad enough the greatest reason to kill someone is in the name of God. That is what people truly fear.

      2. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 5 years ago in reply to this

        Well, I don't know where you come up with just 1,000,000. 
        The first group were 100,000,000 
        The second group were even more than that,cause it was the 144,000  added to a number NO man could count

        Is is written that these are those that made it through the tribulation.

          And then the third group which is said to be the "First Rescurrection, in which a number isn't mentioned. 

           Should you be worried?

           I don't know.  Should you?

  19. Joy56 profile image59
    Joy56posted 5 years ago

    now where we.... in heaven or on earth./....

 
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