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Are the religious insane?

  1. Claire Evans profile image90
    Claire Evansposted 4 years ago

    We all know the onus is on the claimant to prove his/her claim if they are stating it as fact.  Can it be proven, as it would be in a court of law, that the religious on the hubpages forums are insane?

    1. pisean282311 profile image57
      pisean282311posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Insane is harsh word...I dont think religious people are insane...Too much dependent of big daddy somewhere outhere ,might be...Too much self doubting and needing external support, might be...Too much hopeful and carving for identity to remain intact forever , even after death , might be...

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Absolutely.  Brainwashing is not insanity.

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      jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      insane
      adjective
      1.  legally considered as psychiatrically disordered: considered legally incompetent or irresponsible because of a psychiatric disorder
      2.  lacking reasonable thought

      delusion (plural de·lu·sions) noun 1. false belief: a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence, especially as a symptom of a psychiatric condition

      faith
      (plural faiths)
      noun
      belief or trust: belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or something, especially without logical proof
      Does the religious got faith?
      Now you decide!

      No insane person ever admit she is insane!

      1. aguasilver profile image86
        aguasilverposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I am insane, by YOUR criterion, YOU are insane, by MY criteria.

        John smile

        1. pisean282311 profile image57
          pisean282311posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          whos john?...anyways whosoever he is , he has a point...for every insane person , world is definitely insane...

          1. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            What may appear insane may be a calculated move by the people that people think whose actions are insane.

            1. A Troubled Man profile image59
              A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              lol

              1. Claire Evans profile image90
                Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                ATM, no one will realize the context of what I am saying if you just quote mine.

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          jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks for admitting, but that is not my criteria, its encarta definition.

          1. aguasilver profile image86
            aguasilverposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            OK, lets be more specific, I am insane by the definition the WORLD places on the word, which you accept as your opinion when you put it forward as part of the inane argument you present.

            On the other hand, by any believers understanding, your refusal to even examine what we have experienced is insanity, in KINGDOM terms.

            Let's face it, there is no resolve between believers and secularists.

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              jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              'Kingdom' another of the illogical beliefs.
              If you are Experiencing too much 'ghost', its better you see a psychiatrist. Very few believers ever 'hear voices' or 'experience spirit', to be truly delusional, they just believe their parents and authorities.

              1. vector7 profile image61
                vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                lol

                Takes one to know one. wink

                smile

        3. SomewayOuttaHere profile image61
          SomewayOuttaHereposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          AS (John), you're not insane...some appear to be though  big_smile....

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            jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            folie a deux

            1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image61
              SomewayOuttaHereposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              lol...hey, call me insane..i'm okay with that...cuz i am most of the time...merci or is that mercy?

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                jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Its merci, and folie a deux is not what you meant, it is induced delusion!

        4. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Lol.  no wonder the 20% think they as mentally ill. Mainly people are a big bag of nerves, and when some of you are ready to be honest, come to an veteran artist like me , we are leader in the nerve system. Don't go to quack, they have high mortgage's to pay for.

      2. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        From the definitions you provide, there would seem to be a strong connection between faith producing delusions which then becomes insane.  Not a perfect fit, but at least a loose one.

        On the other hand we are ALL delusional (how many have exclaimed how beautiful a newborn is, all wrinkled, maybe covered in blood, hairless, etc.) - it is a matter of degree, then, and the faithful would not seem to reach the required degree to be truly insane.

        1. Claire Evans profile image90
          Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          insane
          adjective
          1.  legally considered as psychiatrically disordered: considered legally
          Let's go through what Jomine said that you probably think the religious have are loosely attached to psychosis:

          What would be considered insanity in a court of law regarding some of the points I think you meant religious people are loosely based?

          "2.  lacking reasonable thought"

          This on it's own would never constitute insanity.  Say you believe in Jesus in court and plead insanity on that, everyone in the courthouse would peel with laughter.

          "delusion (plural de·lu·sions) noun 1. false belief: a persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence, especially as a symptom of a psychiatric condition"

          There is no concrete proof that a person who believes in God is holding a false belief.  The onus is one the claimant to prove God cannot possibly exist based on reason.  For example, is it possible that a divine force sparked the Big Bang since things that come into existence, like all matter that ensued from it, have got to have something already existing to make something else to come into existence?

          "faith
          (plural faiths)
          noun
          belief or trust: belief in, devotion to, or trust in somebody or something, especially without logical proof
          Does the religious got faith?"

          If a child believes in the boogie man is he or she psychotic? The child is gullible because they trust their parents.  A religious person may believe in God with logical proof because they were brought up to believe.  That is not insanity.

          There are premises that need to be met not just one or two.  Is there any psychiatrist who would diagnose his patients as psychotic because they believe in God? Is there a court of law that would deem someone insane because of religious beliefs on its own?

          That's not a rhetorical question.

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            jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            The person who says he believes in jesus, only means he believe the words of bible are true. let the person say in court he is guided daily by the "experience" of jesus or let him say he experience jesus/spirit or say the word leaders are satanists. If he mean it literally, nobody will laugh but sent him to asylum.



            Anybody who use reason can easily show there is no god. But people are not bothered, they just believe what is told to them by their parents(or similar figure), that is , they have trust in the person who said it, that they have confidence in the statement. In other words people never apply reason.

      3. Onusonus profile image86
        Onusonusposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Hmmm,
        faith= without proof
        Delusion= belief, despite strong contradictory evidence

        There is no contradictory evidence which dispels most religions, hence faith usually has nothing to do with delusion.

    3. mischeviousme profile image62
      mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Absolutely insane. define sanity and try to apply it to any one person... It can't be done.

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        A court of law can deem someone insane if they cannot know the difference between right and wrong.

        M'Naghten Test
        The M'Naghten test defines insanity as the complete inability to distinguish right from wrong. Criminal intent doesn't exist if the judge or jury finds the defendant could not tell the difference between right and wrong.

        If a religious person can tell the difference between right and wrong, they are not insane.  Not even a psychopath is insane as they do know the difference between right and wrong.

        The medical term equivalent to insanity is psychosis and that is defined as:

        "A severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality."

        Anders Breivik who killed those young people on Latoya Island in Norway even wasn't diagnosed with insanity because he knew the wrongness of his act.

    4. douggy profile image61
      douggyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think insane is the right word. But for certain, many if not all of traditionally religious people are suffering from some form of psychological (and not psychiatric) malfunction.

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        It can't be proven that all religious people suffer from psychological malfunctions but you are right that some suffer from that.

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      Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Some of them? Probably. All of them? No.

      Note that my answer relies on statistical likelihood, apportioning no blame.

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        True.

    6. A Troubled Man profile image59
      A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It could be proven that the insane have taken up religion. It can also be shown through MRI's that the very same stimuli and the effects thereof that invoke religious beliefs also invoke insanity and delusion.

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Where's that MRI proof?

        If someone said they were a Christian and believe Jesus rose from the dead, others wouldn't think they were psychotic.  If someone said a ostrich with a pink apron rose from the dead, people would suggest that person go to the loony bin. 

        I want to ask you a question.  The American elite, including George Bush and David Gergen and a myriad of past presidents, go to Bohemian Grove where people dress up in robes with fish hats and worship Lillith, the owl, and perform mock sacrifices.

        Are these people insane?

        1. A Troubled Man profile image59
          A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi … ne.0007272



          Other Christians, maybe, but that is definitely insane.



          Could be. Certainly, anyone who claims businesses were run by Satanists would probably be insane.

          1. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Oh yes, Sam Harris...the unbiased beacon of truth. lol

            Here's a revelation for you.  When a thief steals something, he uses the motor cortex of his brain.  When a neurosurgeon performs surgery, he uses the motor cortex of his brain.  Oh my gosh! The desire act of doing evil and doing good is synonymous!  I mean, it has to be because they both use the same part of the brain. lol

            That study of yours proves nothing. It does not prove that religious thinking is insanity.  Using the same part of the brain does not conclusively mean that insanity and religious thinking are the same.








            I actually can't believe I'm responding to you.  Did you just write that or are my eyes deceiving me?








            Oh! COULD BE? lol When I claim that Jesus rose from the dead, I'm definitely insane but when they play tape recordings emulating Satan talking to them and parade about in front of an owl and make mock sacrifices they ONLY COULD BE insane!  Do you know how ridiculous you are?

            I'm sorry, but when businesses adopt Satanic symbols in their logos, I can't help think they are run by Satanists...That's just logical thinking.

            And you always chastise people for focusing on you when you turn the subject around and focus on me.  Too funny.

            1. A Troubled Man profile image59
              A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              What are you talking about, you want MRI evidence and you got it.



              That is not a revelation, that is a lie you have created.



              The studies show the facts, Claire. Sorry if you dismiss it out of hand but that would just show how dishonest you are, especially having just created a lie.



              No, it is not logical thinking by any stretch of the imagination, it is paranoia delusion.

              1. Claire Evans profile image90
                Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this





                How does the MRI "evidence" prove that the part of the brain used for religious thinking automatically means one is insane because that part of the brain is also exercised during an episode with a schizo, for example.  You said I am insane because I have religious beliefs and provided MRI "evidence" to "prove" it.  So prove it.  I wonder if you even understand what Harris said.  Give me a summary what he said.






                Of course it is pure nonsense.  I am making this comment according to your logic.



                Lol, only another psycho would engage with another psycho every day. lol

                I noticed you ignored this comment:







                Love the way you are reluctant to call our world leaders insane but are very quick to condemn me as insane.  Hypocrite.






                Let's settle this once and for all.  Would you like a debate about this?

                1. A Troubled Man profile image59
                  A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  What does Sam Harris have to do with anything? Why are you fixated on him?




                  No, you're not, you're making it yourself and it has nothing to do with logic of any kind.



                  lol



                  Claire, you don't know the first thing about debating.

                  1. Claire Evans profile image90
                    Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    lol This just proved that you didn't even read the article you posted to me.  It means you don't even understand what you posted. 

                    This is what is written in the article:

                    Formal Correction: This article has been formally corrected to address the following errors.

                    The Funding section included some information that relates to competing interests. The Competing Interests section should read: Sam Harris, one of the first authors on this study, is also a co-founder and CEO of The Reason Project. The Reason Project... (read formal correction)


                    Another thing, I read the article and it does not suggest that the religious are predisposed to psychosis based on the various areas of the brain that are used during the questions they were asked.

                    The study fails to differentiate between those Christians who believe that the Bible is the infallible word of God and those who don't.  Those who don't obviously have reasoned to come to the conclusion that it is not infallible.  I reject various parts of the OT, for example, based on research that has been done that debunks it.

                    What reasoning do I use to come to the conclusion that Satan and the Holy Spirit exist? Their influence in the world and mine.  It is completely irrational to believe that the universe come about from nothing.  God and Satan are actually comprised of positive and negative frequencies respectively.   The lower the frequency the more evil there is.  The higher the frequency, the more love there is. All these emotions such as love is what diminishes Satan's power because he cannot access those higher frequencies.  So he tries to drag us down to the lower frequencies by causing discord, people to hate, etc.  If you watch programs on hauntings you will notice that people become more aggressive and there is fighting in the family.  Demons know that if they can break the family unit, because they are unified by love, they get more power.  This is why Satanists sacrifice people.  When a person is sacrificed, they experience sheer terror and pain.  That lower frequency is in their blood and that is why they consume it.

                    Frequencies have always been around and exist in other dimensions, too.  The universe is in the third dimension but spiritual beings are not in this dimension because their frequencies are not the same as ours. You can't prove God and Satan physically because they aren't tuned into this dimension. Think of a radio.  When you dial into a certain frequency you are tuned into a certain station.  When you continue turning the dial you tune into another one.  The last station hasn't stopped broadcasting just because you can't hear it anymore.  It just means that frequency has is not within our range anymore.  It's the same with ghosts or spirits.  You cannot see them most of the time because they are not tuned into this dimension.  When they do, you see apparitions.  The more in tune they are with this dimension, the more solid their appearance is.







                    Of course it isn't logical because it is illogical for you to insinuate all religious people are insane as you initially claimed.  I've noticed you now have amended it to "many religious people are insane".








                    It's no laughing matter.  You truly are sad.






                    In other words, you know that I've prove my claim.  Here's your chance to prove I've REALLY lost it!

      2. vector7 profile image61
        vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        He has no MRI proof, just pretenses..

    7. Chris Neal profile image83
      Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      No, we're not insane.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Even though I think Religion is miss-guided in ancient myths, it's not possible that most of the people in the world are insane. General nice people, yet Dumb all over a little ugly on the side "  If  man is dumb and we are in Gods image, then God is dumb too.

        If aliens appeared, how could  we explain all the many bad things we have done? How could we ever make excuses for the horrible being we have been.

        1. Chris Neal profile image83
          Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Well, because we are sinful and desperately wicked, of course!

          Seriously, that would be the explanation.

          And if aliens did come, they would be in His image as well!

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You mean all Aliens would look like humans, I can only imagine they would look more that bar scene in the first Star Wars Movie.

            If Alien came to earth they would probably say- no sense stopping in here, there is no intelligent life down there.

            1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image61
              SomewayOuttaHereposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              ...i luved that bar scene!  big_smile....evenin' CP!

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Hi SomewayOuttaHere

                Enjoying these slow times in the Kootenay Mountain , how is your island in the Pacific?

                Many of the Star Wars movies got better as they went  along

                1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image61
                  SomewayOuttaHereposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  ...the big island is good...yikes!....snow and crap for a few hours today tho...OMG!...it's all gone now!....i need to get out for a mbike ride this weekend...i've some nice shiny chrome i need to check out and listen to....it'd better be warm enuf and with sunshine!

                  what's the crow's nest like?...i'm passing thru soon, or if winter is still there, i'll fly..as the crow flies...would rather drive through the rockies tho!

                  ...ahhhhh...sounds like a bit of peace in the Kootenay area...good for you!

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    let me know , if you pass through Creston, we can have a coffee together

    8. tsmog profile image84
      tsmogposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Just two cents worth - answering Claire's question is pure spectualtion until a 72 hour observation occurs. It may be intereting to discuss the criteria of the the 4 - D's of abnormal behavior.
      Dysfunction
      Deviance
      Distress
      Danger


      Those are to be met before an axis diagnosis for abnormal behavior by a professional would occur.


      Since it takes place more often than not in the Religion & Philosophy forum, then that is the societal norm - religion or religious, yet not necessarily religiosity.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Looking forward for the 78% USA college kids who believe in Evolution. Physiologist  and the proffesion of mental health which has too high of a rate of suicides for me to have much faith in.

        I prefer my history studies and knowing where people are coming from and know where they are going

        1. Chris Neal profile image83
          Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Thumbsup!

      2. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Good observation.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      What the hay are you talking about?
      There's nothing insane about the belief in God.
      Unless you're talking about some specific religions that worship a useless statue of Buddha or something; then you might have a point.
      It's very irritating to see Christianity lumped in with idol-worship religions etc. (When you say "the religious" of course we know you mean Christians too).
      And no, Christianity isn't insane and could not be proven insane in a legitimate human Court of law either!  Matter of fact, there's much more evidence to the contrary.  And I wish people would stop trying to re-name common sense something other than what it is.   It's much more "insane" to spout the idea that humans came from some little glob of nothingness;  which, incidentally, can be easily debunked by both religion and science when one uses a common-sense basis.

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I'm talking about people who say, but really cannot believe, that the religious are insane and it's ridiculous.  That means the majority of the world is insane.

        I agree with you.  The thought of RNA just suddenly developing into DNA then sprawling out of the primordial soup and forming life in the sea which then migrated into land.  Then fish gave way to reptiles then mammals.  To think that life just assembled itself, along with consciousness, without divine intelligence being behind it, is just asinine.

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          jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          More silly will be thinking a "divine intelligence" with immense power suddenly bursting out of nothing, and then creating everything.

          1. JBBlack profile image60
            JBBlackposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Of course God didn't burst out of nothingness, the theoretical being has always existed.  You must empathize with the impulse to think that the simplest explanation is always the most likely, unfortunately this is only sometimes.  How much easier it is to accept the lot handed to you instead of questioning.  How much easier it is to imagine a God with a face and fingers modeling creation as a potter, snowy white beard melting into the clouds of a physical heaven, than a formless impulse, a first mover.  It is reasonable that, cooking from scratch, God created the laws of physics, causing the random motion of particles, a big bang, solar nebulas, accretion disks, planetiods, planets, primorial goo in which chemicals had the right condtions to form the simplest organisms, and a process by which these simplest organisms could change.  God real or God fake, can you possibly look at this primtive way we have of understanding the universe as not at all related to your God's process?  Certainly God could have forseen that the smallest amount of effort could produce eternal results.  The creator wouldn't need to be in his workshop literally splicing genes all day long to produce all the animals and humans.  Certainly wouldn't have needed to take a tissue sample from Adam to create Eve. 

            Or you could take a stance claiming that the laws of nature just exist, based on the properties of matter.  The big bang does seem a bit improbable, unless i could understand it as a cycle, but I don't.  So I don't have to have an answer for everything.  I can live my life without a creation story, fake science based or folk tale based.  Reality isn't a complete mystery to me, so what caused the first motion is immaterial.  i know that something caused it, but have no data from that time frame, and the ability to catch light from a time frame nearer to that first motion will not give me significant evidence to make a descion on this(there's some deep space telescope being built eta 2018 or someting).  If you think that creation began with a big bang that's fake science (aka theoretical).  If you think that God worked all day long for seven days, micromanaging the details, crafting things like a sculptor you're buying into a folk tale.

            Do I qualitfy as agnostic yet? 

            Anyhow something started it, you'll never know in your life, you might think you do, but you won't.  The process by which it developed is becoming clear, you can denounce it all you like.

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              jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              "Of course God didn't burst out of nothingness, the theoretical being has always existed."
              There is only one problem though. The logic was all beings need to be created, and now you are contradicting by saying this being is eternal.
              Again this thing has to exist to create, that means it is an object and all objects are matter. This god thing needs to take decisions and for that the decision making mechanism should be there(which again need some matter) and should preexist. That means it is matter that is eternal not the god.

              "If you think that creation began with a big bang that's fake science (aka theoretical).  If you think that God worked all day long for seven days, micromanaging the details, crafting things like a sculptor you're buying into a folk tale."
              Both are folktales and bears very similarities.

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              jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              While atheists and theists alike suffer from confirmation bias, the agnostics are real charlatans with their feigned humility of ignorance.

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                Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I am an agnostic atheist. I promise, there is no charlatanry involved. However, I am ignorant to varying degrees, depending on the topic. This admission requires no humility.

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                  jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  People are ignorant in varying aspects, but nobody other than an agnostic displays it and put forward it as a theory.(I'm, here, discussing only about universe, god and creation. I have no idea where Zambia is except that it is somewhere in Africa, but that is not what we mean when we say agnostic or atheist)

                  1. JBBlack profile image60
                    JBBlackposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Your implication seems to be that the agnostic comes to the table with the least knowledge when you attach ignorant as a label.  There is no need to take sides when there is such a significant lack of knowledge about something.  By its very definition, a rational decison requires all pertinent information.  Thus making the agnostic the only category that is not making an insane choice.  Ignorance is not something that is capable of being applied to a whole group of people, that is discriminatory.

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                    Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm an agnostic only because I value intellectual honesty.

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                Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Agnosticism is the only truly honest stance, given the lack of data and claims made by the majority. But, you are right. Agnosticism lacks the arrogance prevalent in the theist and atheist argument.

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                  jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Agnostic says there is another route where there is none and 'appeal to ignorance', the fallacy.

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                    Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    There is no fallacy jomine. Prove your case......you can't. Nor can the other side. No one truly knows. No matter how arrogantly you guys persist in insisting that you do.

                    We can prove many claims  are false, but we can't prove that God does not exist. Nor can we say, with firm evidence to back it up, where and when existence began.

                    So, from where I stand, both far ends are grasping at straws. Agnostics have a need to know the truth, and the patience to wait for it. The religious may have been confused into thinking they found the  universal truth, but atheists are no different.

                    Imo, both sides hum the same tune, but neither side is offering lyrics that wrap the song into a sellable  package.

            3. Claire Evans profile image90
              Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I'm interested to know what your theory is regarding the creation of the universe.  Since the Big Bang theory is fake science according to you, what is the probable scenario? That the universes always existed and they are born when others die?

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                jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                What is this universe that needs birth and that Die?

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      jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      http://www.blacksunjournal.com/wp-content/images/crazyvsreligion.png

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        That's the same guy, accept on Sunday

      2. Chris Neal profile image83
        Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Okay, I get your point. But what about what Christians really believe? Nobody I know equates Jesus with a superhero.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          He is the super natural and the champion of soul taking, JC OR his father are not my heroes, yet there are for many, a hero, like Jesus Christ super star

          1. Chris Neal profile image83
            Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            That is both depressingly true (just look at "christian" television!) and sadly wide of the mark. Jesus doesn't "take" souls and "Jesus Christ Superstar" is as close to the Bible as the Koran.

            This doesn't change what I actually wrote, though.

  2. rebekahELLE profile image90
    rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago

    This should be an interesting one.. big_smile

    1. vector7 profile image61
      vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      lol..

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    Emile Rposted 4 years ago

    No Claire. I don't think the religious are insane. Paranoid, delusional might be a better definition for some. Especially those who claim to  see Satan in every corner. That could be easily proven in a court of law.imo.

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Is a paranoid person not insane?

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        Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        No. Not always. I would think it would depend on how much it inhibited their ability to function in normal society. We are all paranoid of something. Aren't we?

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          jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          No Emile, there is no criteria that a delusion or paronoia should disrupt normal societal function. In fact in 'delusional disorders', the person is otherwise normal.
          But you are right, all Delusions are not due to mental illness, it can be due to neurological illness too, but a delusion is always pathological (ICD -10).

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            Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            But, I would assume insanity does disrupt normal function?

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              jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Insanity only means a psychiatric disorder, but for the general public an insane is the one who cannot look after himself.
              A 'delusional disorder' is a psychiatric disorder but the person can carry out his normal activities in spite of the disorder. And in mild forms of schizophrenia(the classical Insanity) the disease may go undetected for years.
              The only normal activity they are prevented or they cannot undertake is certifying in court.
              The picture we get from movies are only the extreme cases.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Sometimes I wonder to what degree America is schizophrenic, one faith I do about the USA there are many who are hard workers and wise. They will find a way to get better.

              2. aguasilver profile image86
                aguasilverposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Phew! that's a relief doc, I must be sane, because I 'look after' a fair number of people, run businesses for the last 30 years and have never needed any shrinks to help me, indeed I have counselled hundreds of folk who did need help.

                But hang on.... if I could be considered sane by you, well that would mean I was an atheist!

                Yikes... I need to spend more time with the Holy Spirit.

                The ONLY counsellor I need.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  opps missed I DO KNOW , part in my last post

                  Most likely you are sane, It just much of the US is Dumb with a little ugly on the side "You will be taken over by the spiritual age, replacing much of the Holy Crap

                2. vector7 profile image61
                  vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  lol

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                  jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  An excellent example of hallucination and lack of comprehension!

                  1. aguasilver profile image86
                    aguasilverposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Really... which bit triggered that response, the bit where I confirmed that I was a fully functioning human being who took care not only of myself, but others, or the fact that I desire to spend more time with the Holy Spirit.

                    Science really has blinded you doc.

          2. vector7 profile image61
            vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            lol

            "...the person is otherwise normal."

            You mean WITHOUT the paranoia?

            Yeah, that IS the disruption to the 'normality'.

            I'm going to DIE laughing from this thread..........

            smile

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              jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Are you insane too?

              1. vector7 profile image61
                vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                lol

                Not sure.

                Is pleading the fifth applicable here? hmm

                smile

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                  jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  You don't have to plead, you are exempted by the McNaughtan's rule!

                  1. vector7 profile image61
                    vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    plead the fifth
                    plead insanity

                    what's the difference any more..

                    i don't want out, let me IN.

                    tongue

        2. vector7 profile image61
          vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You mean the severity of the paranoia then?

          Not particularly afraid, but i dislike clowns.. hmm

          smile

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            Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            smile Spiders and visigoths for me.

            1. vector7 profile image61
              vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Hmm.. spiders are cool. But the eight eyes thing aint cute...

              I only go nuts if they disappear. LOL

              smile

            2. Castlepaloma profile image23
              Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              dead people in back in a alley for me

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                Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                lol lol

              2. vector7 profile image61
                vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                That's just gross...

                neutral

                1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  fear or dislike of clowns is kinda of funny too

                  1. vector7 profile image61
                    vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    lol

                    Well I don't like them.

                    Maybe it's because they don't act like themselves.. lol

                    smile

      2. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I think you mean paranoia that is baseless that is psychotic.  For example, if the average Joe thinks the CIA is after him that is baseless, that is psychosis.  If one believes that a one world government wants to enslave them because of facts presented or facts that allude to that, that is not paranoia.

    2. CMHypno profile image88
      CMHypnoposted 4 years ago

      So every atheist is sane then?

      1. vector7 profile image61
        vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        [I love this thread Claire.. THX]

        lol.. ::ahem::

        I'll take this one.

        NO....

        smile

      2. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Lol

    3. JBBlack profile image60
      JBBlackposted 4 years ago

      You could argue that those who take the words of the Bible as more as fundamental truth, rather than an interpretative work, may have more delusional tendencies.  So is it with any fundamental adherent, believing that the ancient stories, miralces and prophecies are specific and historical.

      1. vector7 profile image61
        vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Erm.. Not a truth?

        What ARE historical documents then??

        oh... OH.. I see it. My bad..

        "interpretive work"

        You mean like poetry then?

        lol

        Sry.. gotta disagree completely.

        smile

        1. JBBlack profile image60
          JBBlackposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You got me on historical documents.  Depends on what connotation you take historical with. 

          But able to be held up to interpretation, sorry you lose on that one.  You showed me just how to interpret someone's words with your attempt above. 

          Interpretation is not just for poetry, but all of literature and history itself.  The Bible easily fits into all three of those categories. 

          But I tend to disagree with anyone who claims that all events in the Bible actually happened.  The stories are historical and even contain specualtion of events that occured hundreds, if not thousands, of years before they were written.  Show me the old testament scripture that says that all of the words contained therein can be attributed God.  As far as I know, only several sentences can be directly attributed to God.  It is an understanding of religious tradition, between now, the inquisition, the dark ages and the founding of the Christain church that these are the words of God.  For Christ to say that the law still stands, if far from him affirming that Moses parted the Red Sea.

          1. vector7 profile image61
            vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            The Red Sea parting is scientifically verified by artifacts.. Really bad choice of example.

            And the Gospels were written to be eye witness accounts. Such as those that would be used for court.

            Simon Greenleaf has some good work if you really want the 'TRUTH' on the subject. He's far above some of the nuts on this site.. lol

            And, Christ saying the Law stands, in contrast to your statement absolutely stands if Christ indeed rose from the dead. But denial, nor affirmation is possible to force on an individual because Jesus Christ never claimed He would 'make' anyone believe in Him.

            And accuracy of the text? Really? I've done the research and it's absolutely not innacurate.

            It's the most upheld works of writing in all of known time....

            smile

            1. JBBlack profile image60
              JBBlackposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Oh a gilded chariot wheel found at the bottom of the red sea! My bad.  Or maybe those commemorative columns moses took the time to buld on either side!  OO a human bone! There's only one way it could have gotten down there!  Sounds like straining to do some explaining.  OK so if that story isn't hogwash maybe you could tell me that some of these other ones are also bad examples, ofcourse proven true by hardcore objective science:  the great flood, pillars of salt, adam and eve, the paternity of jesus, the plagues in egypt (its raining cats and dogs!), walking on water.

              1. vector7 profile image61
                vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Maybe if you did more than slander people's research you would also have listened when they attempted to teach you odds and probability.

                I know your type. God would have to slap you with a iron beam just to humble you and your mockery.

                No strain little one. The wisest men in history which built much of the principles you enjoy under the legal system claim those of your likes to be headstrong and finger pointing lacking the ability to accept anything save it be shoved down your throat due to your personal pre-existing bias.

                You searched for exactly what you want to dismiss and read nothing further.

                Been there myself.

                Enjoy your denial, while it lasts as life is short. Deathbeds are laid in alone

                1. JBBlack profile image60
                  JBBlackposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  My tone is a reflection of your tone.  You mock and condecend everyone who disagrees with you.  In your post you use violent imagery to attempt to cast me as stubborn.  Hitting me over the head with an iron bar, shoving stuff down my throat.  Your frustration should not lead to violence.  your kind has burned people like me long enough.

                  I see.  I am little and you are big.  You think diminuative language will increase the strength of your words, makes you sound like a bully morelike.

                  You are in denial.  The whole point of your religion is faith, not fake science.

                  1. vector7 profile image61
                    vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    You're teaching me about the Bible now?

                    lol lol lol

                  2. vector7 profile image61
                    vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh - and I figured I'd add a timeline for you to set things straight. wink

                    Post 1 - Yes, I laughed at you calling witness accounts and historical documents 'interpretive works'.. I consider that a self made definition, and thought it was cute. And didn't even say you were wrong - I SAID I disagreed completely, being 'why' I laughed as it sounded personally biased to me.

                    Post 2 - I said you made a bad choice because there was physical evidence. And the nuts I referred to are also my friends as well. But hey, I know what you thought.. It's cool. I also said the texts were indeed accurate.

                    I said, as well, you have the option of affirming or denying.

                    And last smiley. Please note why, alluding to post directly below.

                    Post 3 - I made note you mocked not only the Bible disrespectfully, [NOT ME] AND mocked science in that you did not even come back with the full list of elements regarding their discoveries.

                    I also pointed out the men that built your legal system have wrote about exactly the way you portrayed in their writings and said you and those like would mock and never listen to anything save they give you your every request in evidence. You would not believe unless you HAD TO for reason the proof PINNED YOU DOWN was my point.

                    I stated deathbeds are laid in alone. It is an old phrase, meaning life is very short, which I added to be clear.



                    Now:

                    Your accusations are ridiculous. I said what I said because your post was PURE SARCASM. You did NOT reflect a 'fun' tone and were disrespectful.

                    I have apologized when my fun upsets people, and would have done so with you. But your entire post was arrogant sarcasm and nothing kind. No smileys, no grand point - save mockery.

                    The Christians were 'burned' ... Not 'your' kind. Hence the reason 'martyr' is so well affiliated with Christianity.

                    Your sarcasm was what lead to me rebuking you - what voilence?

                    I stated in my second post you could accept OR deny - Shoving NOTHING down your throat. YOU engaged in the thread, you became sarcastic and disrespectful with no point but to demean and then I stated you were closed minded because you didn't look for anything but something to poke at - and didn't even come back with much of anything acting as if you debunked something.

                    Big and little? No - I stated what you acted like. Don't put words in my mouth.

                    I said it's your choice and you chose.. to be sarcastic and intentionally demeaning and disrespecful. So I gave you ADVICE. LIFE IS SHORT.... Don't wait until you have no time to look.

                    It's also your choice whether to take the advice.


                    You didn't poke fun. You were outright ugly. I didn't hit anything. I didn't shove anything. You're confused on 'who' got burned. I'm not a bully.

                    And you have no clue what faith is.



                    You assertions are now dissolved.

                    I did mean you are stubborn.

                    I didn't do anything you accused me of.

                    I agree to disagree.

                    It's all cool.

                    Have a good one.

                    smile

                  3. vector7 profile image61
                    vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh, and violent imagery? Seriously??

                    Shove down throat is an old saying for children who don't take their medicine..

                    It's violent to make children take medicine now? lol

                    Peace..............

                    smile

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                      Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      The expression merely means to force someone to do something -- or to agree to something -- that they normally wouldn't. Yes, the "someone" might be a child, and the "something" might be medicine. However, the expression might also refer to an act that is much more violent, as I'm sure you are aware.

                      You can't hope to be taken seriously if you are going to be disingenuous.

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                  jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Who can describe you better than yourself!

                  Then what happened, somebody hit you on your head?

          2. Chris Neal profile image83
            Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            The parting of the Red Sea actually has been an event eyewitnessed a handful of times in modern history. It takes place at a shallow part of the sea when a steady, hard wind will literally drive back part of the water. It hasn't been seen very often but it has been seen.

            Heard that on NPR, by the way, so it wasn't on some Christian-biased show.

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      MP50posted 4 years ago

      I am not religious, I believe Jesus and only in Him, if that belief is classed as insanity then I am happy to be a total fruit cake.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Don't be too happy

      2. douggy profile image61
        douggyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You may  be right MP!50 There is no where in the Bible where jesus says people should believe on things when there is evidence that those things are not true. Christianity only asks people to exercse faith on those things which we may yearn to be given evidence about or perhaps strong ground to believe. For example, some people of Jesus' times wanted firm ground to justify that he is the God's sent. But, on those occassions, Jesus could say nothing other than that they should exercise some amount of faith in him.

        1. pisean282311 profile image57
          pisean282311posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          @douggy and they did keep faith in him and got persecuted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...It is great that most didnt and survived....

      3. Eaglekiwi profile image76
        Eaglekiwiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        lol  Me too.

        I have seriously looked at other options and nahh Im with you on that one.




        Psst Who is qualified to say who is insane on this forum lol

        Tis like that movie "One flew over the cuckoo's nest"

    5. vector7 profile image61
      vector7posted 4 years ago

      The simple answer to the question is 'no', they cannot.

      Of course, I'm waiting for the conflict of interest objection...

      smile

    6. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image94
      Wesman Todd Shawposted 4 years ago

      Yesterday I caught seventeen bass and one crappie.

      What does this have to do with anything?

      None of those fish had any scientific evidence to support the claim by other fish that fishermen and fillet knives exist.

      I suspect the whole "missing fish phenomenon" is argued quite a lot in King's Creek and Cedar Creek Lake....probably the fish that believe in fishermen and fillet knives are thought "less evolved specimens" by the materialist philosopher fish....led by Catfish Dawkins.

      1. A Troubled Man profile image59
        A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Perhaps, the theocratic fish amongst them told them that fisherman and fillet knives were just scientific mumbo-jumbo lies being spread by other fish in light of the Great Fish God who promises everlasting life after being breaded and baked.

        1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image94
          Wesman Todd Shawposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Well, I think the fish that I bread and bake go to heaven.....

          1. vector7 profile image61
            vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I agree on that..

        2. Jerami profile image79
          Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Sometimes you don't ever hear what is said  cauz..e   your own shadow keeps dripping into your eyes.    Or  something very much like that  Or   ...
          A whole lotta kinda-sorta

          1. A Troubled Man profile image59
            A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            lol English your second or third language?

    7. Eric Newland profile image59
      Eric Newlandposted 4 years ago

      Meh, sanity is overrated anyway. Is it really something worth aspiring to?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        True, yet you hear so often the kind of words like- insanity, delusion and irrational come up on the this Religious Forum. Personally I would very rarely would use those kinds of words. J ust in respect that I am no better or worst person than the next guy

    8. Jerami profile image79
      Jeramiposted 4 years ago

      Yep!   You are both right,  As far as sanity is concerned ....  I've never known anyone who were running on  much more than a half tank.

    9. skyfire profile image72
      skyfireposted 4 years ago

      People who understand what and where their sexual organs are and how these organs help body to throw waste will think thrice before claiming intelligent design and will rethink their position of being sane.

    10. Jerami profile image79
      Jeramiposted 4 years ago

      I think that we are ALL insane!

        There have been some of us who have formed groups, proclaiming ourselves to be sane.   With this authority which we have given to ourselves, we can then ofically proclame everyone else to be CRAZY.

          As long as we do this in a democratic manner.

         EVERYbODY is crazy acording to some other democratic body,

         And to this end,  I agree completely.

    11. skyfire profile image72
      skyfireposted 4 years ago

      You love jesus and consider him as savior, don't you Brenda? Irony lol

    12. mischeviousme profile image62
      mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago

      Insanity is a recurring event, repeated every generation, in every family, in every individual. Everybody's nuts to some degree, some more so than others.

    13. schoolgirlforreal profile image78
      schoolgirlforrealposted 4 years ago

      Yes smile

    14. sportgames profile image61
      sportgamesposted 4 years ago

      This religion vs atheists is getting old.
      Every one has the right to believe what they want, just stop judging.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Agree

        STOP IT!!!

      2. HMathis1112 profile image60
        HMathis1112posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I agree.

      3. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        It is always good to discuss or debate about this because the results are extremely important. Good persuasive evidence aptly presented moves people toward clarity of scripture and bountifulness of God.

        It should never be stopped.
        The fruit from any conversation could produce at any time in anyone's life

    15. HMathis1112 profile image60
      HMathis1112posted 4 years ago

      I haven't read every comment, but would like to just put out there my thought: People need faith in something/someone.  In the good times and in the bad, people need someone to lean on, or blame.  Since scientist do not have a "real" answer asides from evolution (which in and of itself in my opinion, is a real answer) it is all a big mystery.  So the concept behind religion is their answer.

      1. A Troubled Man profile image59
        A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        No, they don't. smile

        1. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yes they do.
          Some people do
          You need to get out more

        2. vector7 profile image61
          vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Voted out.

          2 to 1

          Yes... they do.

          smile

          1. A Troubled Man profile image59
            A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Not true at all, people do not "need" to have faith in things if they understand things. What you and the bro are saying then, is that those who refuse to understand anything need to have faith to fill in the gaps for their lack of understanding.

            Perhaps, you're both right then, the brain dead require faith.

            1. brotheryochanan profile image60
              brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              By faith people go to bed at night believing they will rise in the morning.
              By faith people don't jump off buildings because they know they will either be seriously hurt or dead
              By faith the car will start when we turn the key
              By faith people hop in the car and drive to their destination thinking they will arrive safely.

              By faith you believe that your partial understandings of things are real and that your actions are not perceived as insane.  smile

              These examples which are only a smidgen are not faith in God but they are the type of faith used by all, however it is shrouded in cause and effect thought pattern and explicitly limited to the 5 senses.

              Faith is everywhere in everything, it does not exercised like faith in God nor is the same "type" of faith which spurs people onto to good works of God but as that "natural" type of faith navigates us in this world so does the faith in God navigate his people in our world and i suspect the next world too.

              1. A Troubled Man profile image59
                A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Shrouded and limited? lol



                Baloney. Faith in gods navigates good people to say and do bad things, which is what evidence reveals to us.

                1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  evidence lol

                  1. A Troubled Man profile image59
                    A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes, evidence, like the evidence of what you said about Earnest. Shall I copy/paste that here for you, again? Like the evidence of the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada who know you and would very much like to keep you away from them because of the things they claim you said.

                    1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                      brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      lol
                      to funny
                      and very dishonest of you

      2. pisean282311 profile image57
        pisean282311posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        @HMathis1112 valid point and makes sense...why do we have 400 religions is because of what u said...and believe doesnot need to be TRUTH...it is true for those who believe...it is not bad as along as ones keeps it personal and doesnot impose or sell it to others...slowly and gradually religions do get phased out with new religion coming into being...

    16. AfricaResource profile image87
      AfricaResourceposted 4 years ago

      Faith is good, it's what keeps many people much poorer than us alive. I think everyone should have a little faith in them, it's not proven that god doesn't exist and it never will be. I think it's important to let people believe what they want to believe providing it doesn't come into conflict with the law of the land!

    17. brotheryochanan profile image60
      brotheryochananposted 4 years ago

      Insanity is interesting when it comes to the things of God.

      Lets look at the walls of Jericho because it is fairly well known.

      God said march around the walls 3xs for 7 days, on the 7th day blow trumpets.
      Now the walls of Jericho were immensely thick and deemed unbreakable, but what happened? They came a tumbling down.
      Were Gods people insane? They certainly must have looked insane to the people on the walls of Jericho.
      But did the outcome support that they were insane?

      Lets look at Noah building an ark in the middle of a desert with not water around for miles and miles and miles and miles.
      Did Noah seem sane?
      But what happened?

      Lets look at Moses, an educated man but some say with a stutter and God chose him to speak to pharaoh, albeit he gave him Aaron, but still the point of Moses stutter is not moot and God picked him in spite of this.
      But what was the outcome?

      Lets look at Saul of Tarsus - left rich lifestyle, turned completely around
      King David - committed many harsh sins - yet with amazing dedication to God repented like no other.
      John the Baptist - lived in the desert eating weird food
      jesus lifestyle and crucifixion - would anyone willingly go to their own crucifixion?

      So i deem it quite safe to come to the rational conclusion, by the evidence above, of which is only a smidgen, that we can never imply that Gods people are insane, we can only wait with eager expectation see what God will do through them.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        So true, brotheryochanan!  Those are great points you made.

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          jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Blind and self righteous, unfortunately insane too.

          1. vector7 profile image61
            vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Judging people and calling them self-righteous sounds a little self-righteous to me.

            lol

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        jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Nice stories written by crooks to impress fools, the wonderous thing is it still does!

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Those rules, stories and ways of thinking may have worked back in those med evil times.

          We have much deeper conscientiousness today and live a lot longer, unless you are foolish enough to believe in a 600 year old man like Noah. If you like adult fairy tales of talking animals and many  absurd laws that all can't follow. Then carry on, be free, live those  elusive and evasive quest, just don't drag us down to that low level of thinking and reasoning.

          1. aguasilver profile image86
            aguasilverposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            OK, you are free to disbelieve whatever you wish.

            Are we done now?

          2. brotheryochanan profile image60
            brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            castle
            nobody drags you anywhere, you are here of your own volition, of which the solution to your dilemma is easy.

            Jesus said:
            Matthew 24:37   But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

      3. A Troubled Man profile image59
        A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Considering you start from the premise that God exists and talks to people and that those myths are somehow true would easily show insanity, especially if you consider them evidence and rational conclusions.

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      MP50posted 4 years ago

      A troubled Man truly is a believer of God, he just does'nt know it yet! Usually the strongest athiests and unbelievers are the hardest to crack, yet turn out to be the strongest believer's when the light and love of Jesus Christ shines directly through them.

      We as believers should not argue with this Man or any fellow athiests, we can do more by helping and supporting them letting Jesus do his own work on them, the worst thing we can do is argue and try and prove our point of view.

      This just causes more distractions, as believers we already know that Jesus Christ does exist and is alive and well today our eyes have already been opened. There will be many tears from many athiests and unbelievers when the truth finally hits them.

      I would think the amount of tears shed when thier eyes are opened to Jesus and his truth will be enough to end the World drought.

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        jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        lollollollollollol

      2. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I feel mystic that Jesus was a beautiful human being, Nothing wrong with Keeping thou Religion to thou self. For most other people on earth, do not think that Christianity is only way to God or the be all and end all or the sum of all Philosophy.

        Like many other Monotheism Religion, Christianity has their personal God with many wrong translation by 1000s of hand me downs which separates the world even more into 1000s of Myths and other denomination

        Making any one of these Monotheism Religion into world order would surly be the end of the World as we know it. As many religions have tried and many people have died.

        The greatest reason for killing is in the name of God, and these predominate religious wars cause more poverty because the rich keep use religion as a tool to control the masses. You are more likely to kill your fellow human being  if you think he is sub human or a demon.

        Religion interfere in the relationship with my family , with my jobs and on every continent on the mother nature green earth I'd traveled , Don't tell me to mind my own business when a lopsided group want to own my soul deep in the back of their minds.

        Don't take my soul, it has million parts, for the only thing I have in life, is to give it all away, to every person and every group in the world, for the world is my family, not just Christians

      3. A Troubled Man profile image59
        A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        lol  Sure, drag me down to your level of delusion if it makes you feel better.



        Irrational beliefs come in many forms. Of course, you can provide plenty of examples of that?



        You have a point of view? I see only irrational beliefs based on medieval myths and superstitions. How is that a view?



        lol <--- many tears being shed in hysterical laughter

        1. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          If you only see irrational beliefs based on medieval myths , then your missing much of the human historical records and of pass human experiences of mankind.  On the other hand, tying to live those med evil biblical times  would mean committing suicide at age of 25 by today’s standard of consciousness. It would be insane to really live exactly like they did in those biblical times with their absurd laws.


          I say what ever works, live and let live and wouldn’t drag anyone into anything. Let them feel like  unworthy sinner and guilty for the rest of their lives for all I care and let Atheist be grumpy and stick to themselves.

          There is a branch of science & reason in almost everything. Most waking hours of my life is doing art, there is a degree of my head in the clouds with one foot on the ground, the balance  of this extreme makes me sane. Both Atheist and Fundamentalist religious one-sided belief or thinking would be too unbalancing or too limited thinking for me, not against any group, just not for some yet can share and incorporate some of it from everywhere.

          In a world where 99% of the mass is unknown to each one of  us.  Then we have a greater unknown Universe which I'll the spiritual side of thing until we manifest it in our ego self then into our ego group then pass that on to an over ego world.

          you can call it just unknown, if you like. God is just a word, my metaphor for God is about the source of good intention and higher energy. My experience of tapping into to this line of high energy, I can not explain it in words or black and white logic. It's just a Godlike experience that works and because everyone is God they will be able to do so, if they desire too.

          1. A Troubled Man profile image59
            A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            What do scriptures have to do with historical records or mankind in the sense of something missing?

             

            Hence, the hypocrisy and contradictions of believers.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image23
              Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Yes, many scriptures historical records are full of hypocrisy and contradictions of believers.

              Most professional scientist are atheist or agnostic and also these two groups have the highest knowledge about the Religious world. Meaning, after Scientist works out much of the holy crap they will find the degrees of truth about much of our human history. Not much of our history is about Atheist or atheist great men

              In other words, don't throw out the baby with the dirty bath water and that includes Jesus and the bible

              1. A Troubled Man profile image59
                A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I don't discount some things written in the Bible, whether they were proclaimed by a man called Jesus or otherwise, just like I don't discount things written in other books. However, it is not difficult to toss out Jesus and the Bible in regards to anything divine. That's all just plain nonsense and only serves to diminish that which shouldn't be thrown out.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                  Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  It is too bad they over focus on a bible, when there is a million of other up to date books for people living for today . They rather fight than switch , as they enjoy all those horror stories nonsense which encourages more war and separating from other groups and other ways of thinking.

                  There is not enough healthy or metaphor stories for me turn my entire life to worship and love beyond everyone or thing on earth in which seems to be insane idea in the first place.

    19. Joy56 profile image62
      Joy56posted 4 years ago

      no not insane at all......

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      jomineposted 4 years ago

      The religious are perfectly sane, here are some posts to prove my point.










      Who told delusion is an irrational belief or it is part of insanity?

    21. waynet profile image46
      waynetposted 4 years ago

      Yes some religious people are insane as they live life by a rule book or some religious ways that were written as bedtime stories and they just like to believe them and be ruled by them....poor misguided people, I definitely don't feel sorry for the weak of mind!

      1. vector7 profile image61
        vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        lol,

        I'm covered after death right or wrong. Your future depends on you being 100 percent right.

        Although that isn't why I believe, it's certainly not a bad logic as reasoning otherwise leaves one to blowing in fates wind without wings.[no parachute neither]

        Don't poor me, you are reading from a man afraid of nothing.

        Except being away from the one I love most.

        God.

        And you follow plenty of rules, and are ruled plenty more than you or anyone else wants to admit. If you didn't follow them you'd be in jail.

        lol wink

      2. brotheryochanan profile image60
        brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        weak of mind
        that is a construed analogy based solely upon how one defines weak of mind.

        It is so very weak to just follow your mind and let it guide you around
        It is so not weak to train your mind and guide it where you want it to go

    22. Jerami profile image79
      Jeramiposted 4 years ago

      I still kinda think that we are all insane,

        Yes there is an inner circle of which we all want to think that we are outside of,

      1. mischeviousme profile image62
        mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Planet booby hatch...

        1. Jerami profile image79
          Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          YEP!   with all the clicks and social groups just like in high school.

             Everyone forms a circle and points outwardly.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I can see all the colors of insanity now

    23. pisean282311 profile image57
      pisean282311posted 4 years ago

      believing in some 2k yr old book written by people unknown on topic which is unseen , unproven and putting life at stake for it defies logic but is it insanity?...i dont think so...it is attempt to make life meaningful which otherwise is meaningless for many individuals...

     
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