Why is it ok for hardcore christians and muslims to attack people personally, but wrong for others to pick at their religion? Why is it such a touchy issue? Cannot personal belief not take a back seat to reason?
Well, a lot of actions can be seen as petty. Like continuously starting threads to bait certain religious groups. It could easily be argued that the person doing such as that is overly touchy and lacks the ability to reason in a measured and unemotional manner.
Who's being petty now? Do I ever attack an individual or do I attack what they believe? And if I have been attacked on a personal level, can I not call out the cause? Have I ever attacked anyone on a personal level? Pointing out my mis-spellings and grammar, was a sign that fundamentalists have no ammunition. When they can't regurgitate anymore, they fling personal insults. That's because deep down, they know how stupid it actually sounds and at the risk of being proven wrong, they resort to barbarism and hate speeches. Is it any wonder why atheists are on the offensive?
I think we've been down this road before; but, out of curiosity, how do you perceive your current behavior as any different from theirs?
I don't and I've pointed it out. I know my behavior is no different. The question is; Do they? I call out my own irrational behavior, though it's more to prove a point. None of us are as sane as we believe and none of us are any better or smarter than anyone else. If I'm going to say anything, it's usually for a purpose, even if that purpose is to hear myself talk. It helps to keep it real, at least for me it does. If I don't question my own motives, then all of what I say is meaningless.
I feel I am justified at this point, having been attacked on a personal level. Why is it okay for the religious to point fingers? Why can I not do the same? If I'm being offensive, Good. If I am to be offended, then let the wars begin, the religious do it all the time.
First, it's only personal it you take it personally. You have to take your portion of responsibility when you become offended. (so you know, I have no idea what specific incident you are referring to)
Second, it's my opinion that the moment we become hypocritical we lose the high ground. Which means if you want to act that way, you lose the right to complain. As I said, that is just my opinion.
We shouldn't be trying to have wars. Both sides are wrong to do that.
Ha! Did you know we are not supposed to use these type links anymore, Ron? I was recently informed of this by an anonymous moderator and is the reason I'm not using my traditional snake logo anymore. The forums are slowly being destroyed here.
Anonymous moderator? Do the moderators fear retaliation now?
Of course! Who wants to be identified with enforcing silly rules and bans? Being anonymous allows a mod to enforce such without any chance of retribution even if they do let their own personal feelings come into play.
None of the emails concerning the reasons for my bans were sent by mods who gave their names. Neither was there a name connected to the admonishment about the use of my snake smilie. I have no respect for anyone who is afraid to identify themselves if they think they are doing the right thing.
As someone who would probably be considered a "fundy" by non-Christians and not a fundy by actual fundies:
As someone who has been guilty of attacking people and being too quick to respond and is trying very hard to step back and think about my responses (though I'm not always good at it,):
As someone who was at one time very not Christian and who now very much is:
As someone who studies people and history:
It's human nature for people to feel picked on and that it's unfair. Back in the 80's when I wasn't Christian, during the rise of the Moral Majority, we non-believers felt very much judged and attacked by those who seemed to be seizing powers. After I became a Christian I started seeing a definite rise in anti-Christian groups (and I'm specifically talking about some of the more radically atheist groups) and how the government seems to be moving away from even paying lip-service to Christianity in the late 90's and 21st Century. We Christians, especially evangelicals and other conservative groups, feel picked on because laws seem to be set up to marginalize us.
Now, there is an entire discussion in that last paragraph, and I'm not trying to egg anybody into an argument about whether America is, or should be, more or less "Christian." My only point here is that people in general tend to react more negatively to perceived attacks on their particular position, and all sides are guilty of it.
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