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I just heard him say ....

  1. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 4 years ago

    i just heard him say on TV  ...   that unless I send a check to him, God can;t do anything??

        Don't know about them people on TV  but I don't want to serve a God that can't do nothing without me !  (and my check).

        now !  I really I am going to bed; see Ya in the AM

    1. kess profile image60
      kessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Though that comes from the mouth of a liar, not by intention but by natute...it still is truth.

      Unless one act by faith (founded upon knowing Truth) God to that one is powerless to do anything.

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I shouldn't have posted this, though it just sounded so strange when he said, God can't do anything,     unless I do this or that.

  2. paradigmsearch profile image90
    paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

    If nothing else, at least us lab rats amuse Him. big_smile

  3. SandyMcCollum profile image79
    SandyMcCollumposted 4 years ago

    Our pastor once told us that God cannot lie... I beg to differ... If he can make miracles, raise the dead, heal the sick, etc., then why can't he lie? I believe he doesn't lie, he chooses not to, but my God can do anything.

    1. lifelovemystery profile image88
      lifelovemysteryposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Numbers 23:19 tells us that it is impossible for God to lie. "God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        That God should or should not lie or change his mind is a far cry from it being impossible.  I don't see that that verse says anything at all about anything being impossible to God.  He is, after all, omnipotent and can do anything.

        1. lifelovemystery profile image88
          lifelovemysteryposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Lying is a sin and he has no reason to sin. The interpretation I provided is from the NIV Bible.

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Lying is often regarded as a sin, yes, but not always.  It is also often regarded as a "goodness" - a kindness to the recipient of the lie.  A partial truth can be considered to be a lie, but often is accepted as simply being incompletely truthful and thus not a sin.  Saying the truth while simultaneously giving the appearance of meaning something else is accepted as truth even though it is a complete lie.

            The point is that you cannot define sin - only God.  And His definition, when describing His actions, is often very different than ours when describing our own actions.  Add in that you actually have no idea if God has a reason to lie to mankind and it would appear that you are trying to describe the God you want to be, not necessarily the one that is there.

            God has repeatedly sinned egregiously (by standards we set ourselves), beyond what any but the most demented and amoral of our race would or even could do, but He does not consider them sins.  I think it not only possible that He would lie, but probable to the point of certainty.

            1. lifelovemystery profile image88
              lifelovemysteryposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I actually can define sin as it is laid out in scripture. There are no fine lines or gray areas. Lying is in itself deceitful, whether one has something to gain or not.

              We see God from different points of view. I will agree to disagree.

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                You are probably right in being able to define sin from the scripture.  I refer to mankinds current definition of sin in our own culture, which is often gray.  A "white" lie to make someone feel better, for instance.

                I'm also sure we see God from different points of view.  I look at His actions taken from the bible, while you look at what you want Him to be.  His frequent punishment, including death, of innocent peoples for the sins of their forefathers is, in my opinion, a sin in itself but God obviously doesn't see it that way.  His teaching of how to get and keep slaves is a sin in my mind, but obviously not His. 

                Bottom line - yes, we will simply have to agree to disagree.

                1. lifelovemystery profile image88
                  lifelovemysteryposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I don't see God as who I want him to be. I see him as who he says he is.

                  Punishment comes in all forms, and those in rebellion know that sooner or later it will find them. Scripture does not teach how to get and keep slaves. It teaches what happened to people when they were in rebellion. It also teaches that when they were freed from their bondage that they were blessed by God and by their masters. I am referring to the Israelites held in captivity by the Egyptians.

                  If you read the word, you will also discover that they lived in the best part of the area, and it was not affected by any of the plagues. My point is that God punishes for rebellion, but can also bless people during this trial.

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    You see God as who He says He is - I see God by His actions.

                    How many totally innocent Egyptian children and infants were killed by God because of the sins of their parents?  Those children had done nothing wrong, but were nevertheless killed and their souls forfeit.  So that God could make a point to His chosen people - he could have simply spirited them away but chose instead to punish the Egyptian children. 

                    When I refer to slaves, I was referring to those people kept as slaves by the Isrealites under Gods direction and instruction.  Treated humanely (from the instructions given) they were still slaves - a result of one of the most degenerate and evil practices mankind has ever used against his own species.

    2. kess profile image60
      kessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Can Truth be a lie....

      It does appear so....but only for a while.

      The Faith of the Father will not allow him to go against his own self ...if he does then He disqualifies himself from being who he is.

      Then all existence fails...

      God cannot Lie.

    3. Dave Mathews profile image61
      Dave Mathewsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Sandy: There is "Part Truth", in what you say. God can do anything except to go against himself. God will never lie. God will never like even the smallest of sins. God will never go against anything he has told you he can or will do. That is not God. That is not who God is. That is not what God is about.

      Since God is pure, unsolicited, unconditional love, God cannot now not ever lie.

      1. Druid Dude profile image61
        Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Then God didn't create everything.

  4. donotfear profile image91
    donotfearposted 4 years ago

    Last night I heard a preacher say that God doesn't love us just as we are.

    How can we come to Him if He doesn't love us?  That's the point. We as humans can never make ourselves worthy enough in His eyes, that's why Jesus was sent to the world in the first place: as our attorney.

    1. Jerami profile image77
      Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      donotfear wrote
      Last night I heard a preacher say that God doesn't love us just as we are.

      How can we come to Him if He doesn't love us?  That's the point. We as humans can never make ourselves worthy enough in His eyes, that's why Jesus was sent to the world in the first place: as our attorney.
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      ME
        Exactly !   And how can he put as much love on us,  as he wants to, when we won't come near?

        My arguements against religion have never been against GOD, but against the lies some people say he said, for their own self interest.

      1. Druid Dude profile image61
        Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Do you realize what has happened to airfares? God needs money, too! He loves on line gambling. (We're trying to talk him into treatment, but all he says is: I"M GOD!

    2. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      God loves us as we are, but as we are is not what God would have us be. We are the sum of our experiences, and in exercising free will, mean to circumvent God's will. You can't circumvent God's will.

  5. luvpassion profile image61
    luvpassionposted 4 years ago

    Hi Jerami...you guys

    (((hugs)))
    Teri

 
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