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Proof that Satan is worshiped by world leaders

  1. Claire Evans profile image90
    Claire Evansposted 4 years ago

    It cannot be more blatant than association with a pentagram.

    http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6422625_f248.jpg


    Which looks like...




    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6422632.jpg

    Which reminds me of...




    http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6422637.png

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      jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6422676_f248.jpg
      Which reminds me..............




      to ask you to take your drugs regularly!!

      1. steve8miller profile image86
        steve8millerposted 19 months ago in reply to this

        Funny this topic is so obvious still people blindly say no it cannot be true. Funny as well a little box above me is telling me "Please DO NOT reply....".

        I just actually started the same forum topic however mine is a bit different. The little box says don't reply unless you have something new and I do. My idea is simple. Insects flying blindly through the night will upon seeing a light fly blindly into that light which will ultimately destroy them.

        That sounds familiar with people who follow demons. Funny how it seems that only insects and people seek out such destructive light. Yet when we point this out a few people crawl or buzz out of the woodwork to say how dumb and wrong we are. Well as I say I am not the one who holds a Satanic Doctrine so find those who do and tell them not me.

        The issue is typically these people are sitting alone in the dark in front of the bright computer screen never truly seeing the reflection in that screen which would show the demon on their shoulders covering their right ear and whispering in the left ear. Good topic keep up that old age fight.

    2. Paul Wingert profile image79
      Paul Wingertposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Hey Claire, did you lay awake last night thinking of this stupid topic or did it come to you in a vision?

      1. pisean282311 profile image57
        pisean282311posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        lol

      2. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        And did you lie awake thinking that denial is the only way to cope in life?

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          Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          From where I stand, that was a valid question. But, to the question.

          You used leader in the plural. This simply shows that you want to believe Obama is evil. He's one guy. Or is it your argument that he is Legion?

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            jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Actually the world is full of satanists, especially during Christmas time!
            What I don't understand is how my five year old niece started worshiping Satan, she always wanted the five pointed star, and never liked the ones with more arms. The power of Satan!!

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              Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Find an exorcist! Quick!! lol

            2. pisean282311 profile image57
              pisean282311posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              @jomine what world especially jesus's operating zone needed was not saviour but good scientist...had they had access to television, computers or something better to do....world would have been save from look he is coming themes....

        2. pisean282311 profile image57
          pisean282311posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          @claire denial?....hmmm....or denial that what u say is not what it is..

          1. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Should you  care to tell me how it really is.  Please explain why the Republicans are associating themselves with a well-known Satanic symbol?

            The pentagrams that the Republicans associate themselves with has raised a lot of eye-brows and was even picked up on the news TV network.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB8DTd5Di3E

            By denying the existence of evil, one is contributing to it's power and suffering.  Is that something to be proud of?

            We have been raised in a society where he are trained to think and act in a certain way.  We are programmed that digressing from these mind-controlled thoughts should be ridiculed and scorned because we haven't been taught to believe it can be. It's the herd instinct and most people can't think for themselves anymore.  When people come across things that are horrifying, and I'm sure no one, including myself, wants to believe that the world is run by Satanists, then they automatically block it from their mind.  It's the brain's way of coping with distress.  That is why trauma-based mind control happens.  Something so traumatic happens to the victim that they just compartmentalize it and cannot recall it until triggered.

            Jomine sarcastically posted a picture of an upside star as an attempt to refute me but he actually cemented by case.  An upside pentagram is just as Satanic as an inverted one.  The word "star" comes from the moon goddess Ishtar and that is why her brother Baphomet has one on his forehead.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uisbOL55 … re=related

            1. Aficionada profile image93
              Aficionadaposted 4 years ago in reply to this


              Can you provide any credible documentation for that?

              1. Claire Evans profile image90
                Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this
                1. Aficionada profile image93
                  Aficionadaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  The key word was credible, but I should have been clearer and instead should have written scholarly

                  "Babynamesworld" - ?  Whoaaaaa....  Well, I couldn't access that one for whatever the reason, but I have doubts about how far to accept its version of word derivations.

                  In any case, the wikipedia source did not state that the words for star derived from Ishtar.  Judging from the little that I have seen so far, it's possible that Ishtar's name came from the Sanskrit word for star - the reverse of what you claimed.  More research is needed.

                  1. Claire Evans profile image90
                    Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Apologies much.  I didn't mean to cause inconvenience.

                    http://www.goddessaday.com/mesopotamian/ishtar

            2. DoubleScorpion profile image86
              DoubleScorpionposted 4 years ago in reply to this


              FIVE-POINTED – 1. This is the star that guided the wise men to find the baby Jesus. The star symbolizes the Epiphany, the revelation of God to humankind and the taking of the good news of redemption to the Gentiles. 2. The five-pointed star is a popular symbol at Christmastime. It is often seen hovering over nativity scenes or placed atop Christmas trees.
              http://www.christiansymbols.net/stars_1.php


              The word star comes from the Greek word "ἀστήρ" Aster meaning Star.

              The pentagram is used as a Christian symbol for the five senses, Medieval Christians believed that the "pentalpha" symbolizes the five wounds of Christ. The pentagram was believed to protect against demons.The five points of the star each have five meanings: they represent the five senses, the five fingers, the five wounds of Christ,[24] the five joys that Mary had of Jesus (the Annunciation, the Nativity, the Resurrection, the Ascension, and the Assumption).

              Only two flags are known to use the pentagram and is used as a symbol of King Solomon (see Seal of Solomon), the archetypal wise king of Jewish, Christian and Muslim lore.

              Just because a certain symbols are portrayed, it is the intent behind its use that matters...Not the symbol itself....

              1. Claire Evans profile image90
                Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                What a second here...paganism was incorporated into Christianity with the advent of the Vatican.  It is not an original Christian symbol.  For example, Jesus is said to be born on the 25th of December but there is no reference to that in the Bible.  It is the birth of Mithras that was on the 25th of December.




                The Greek language is only about 4500 years old while Ishtar is a Sumerian goddess that predated that by thousands of years.



                That's a Gnostic Christian belief and they believe Baphomet represents the Holy Spirit.  They were heretics.



                King Solomon was a black magician.  The hexagram is the most powerful symbol in withcraft.  You're confusing pentagrams with Hexagrams.  Countries like Syria and Yemen have pentagrams.



                Yes, it's true.  What is the intention? What is the intention of the Republican party to display inverted pentagrams? Can you say?

                1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
                  DoubleScorpionposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Response to First:
                  So you admit that modern Christianity is taken from Paganism...Interesting...

                  Response Two:
                  Ishtar means "The Light Bringer" Sound familar...Both Lucifer and Jesus hold this title...Again Borrowed From Paganism...And our english language was taken from Greek...Not Sumarian...That would closer to hebrew...The language of the OT part of the bible you follow.

                  Response Three:
                  Medieval Time is not Gnostic times...Medieval time is from the 5th-15th centuries...well after the establishment of the "Christian" Church...

                  Response Four:
                  Jesus comes from the line of King Solomon...Does that make him a "Black Magician" as well?? And if you truly think King Solomon was a "black Magician" do you still follow his writings contained in the bible? And if so, why? Are you interested in the writings of those with "Dark Powers"? And how would you know the most powerful symbol in witchcraft?? Are you a witch?? You do know that "witchcraft" that you are thinking about, is a "Christian" creation...Those who actually "practice witchcraft" today, are nothing more than people who worship nature and all living things in general. They are not "old hags circling a big black pot" or "Magus wearing robes with strange symbols and shapes and making fire fly from their fingers"...And I was talking about the Pentagram...Not the hexagram(The Books of Solomon contain more than one "Seal of Solomon"). I know the difference and as a side note...I have all of the "other" books of Solomon...Funny thing is...those "books" were written by early christians as a guide describing the ways to control "demons" to do "God's" work..

                  Response Five: As to the parties intent behind their use of the star symbol...I would say since it has the flag imprinted on it and the use of the star its intent was partriotic in nature and used a symbol of a unified United States...The Flag being the US and the Single Star being used in the same manner as the one used on the state Flag of Texas...But then of course, I am not searching for the "evil" in the world...I tend to search for the good things...As it is said..."You will find exactly what you are looking for"

                  All of the "evil" spellcasting and things you have been describing in this thread comes directly from CHRISTIANS and their attempts at controlling demons and other perceived "evils"...

                  1. Claire Evans profile image90
                    Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    The gist of Christianity is correct.  The gospels are correct.  It is indisputable that the Catholic Church incorporated its paganism into the church.  For example, nowhere in the Gospels is Jesus said to be born on the 25th of December.  Easter eggs and Christmas trees are pagan.  These only came into play 300 years after the death and resurrection of Jesus.  Christianity is not based on paganism.



                    "Ishtar’s name means “star”, and she was also known as Istar, Estar, Ishara, Ishhara, Astar, Atar, Attar, Athar, Athtar, Irnini, Absusu"

                    http://www.goddessaday.com/mesopotamian/ishtar

                    I didn't say the English language was taken from Sumeria.  I'm saying that the Greeks probably got their word from the Sumerians.

                    Can you post me the verse where it says Jesus is the light bringer?



                    And you don't believe they held onto Gnostic beliefs? If they do, they are Gnostic Christians. 



                    Come on now...if an ancestor of mine was a black magician does it now automatically mean I am one?  I don't follow the writings of Solomon, no.  I don't just think Solomon was a black magician, I know so.  It's a fact.  Look up, "The Seal of Solomon", a book on witchcraft.  For me to know that witch-craft is the most powerful symbol in witch-craft means I know how to use the Internet.  Witch-craft a Christian creation? What are you talking about? They are written about in the Old Testament.  How naive can you get? There may be some naive witches who really believe they are just nature worshipers but that is not true witch-craft.   I'm sure those early Christians were Gnostics.  I never pictured witches what I'm talking about as old hags at a pot.  They can be doctors, lawyers, etc.



                    Patriotic? Maybe you could interpret is as anti-American as everything inverted is the rejection of what is upright.



                    No.

            3. heavenbound5511 profile image80
              heavenbound5511posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Hi Claire this is also in the music industry, democrats and republicans, it is actually kinda went viral and on clothing,toys,cartoons and etc. all on youtube.
              You already know this most-likely.smile

              1. Claire Evans profile image90
                Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, I do.  Cartoons seem the most shocking.

    3. DoubleScorpion profile image86
      DoubleScorpionposted 4 years ago in reply to this



      Looks alot like the Order of the Eastern Star as well
      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Oes_GGC_color.PNG

      Lots of satan worshippers around I guess....

      And seeing as "Lucifer" was supposed to be a very "beautiful" creature...Your image of him seems a little off...Just thinking outloud...

      Your image of "Satan" looks an awful lot like the Pagan God PAN. Funny how the Christian faith took another religious diety image and used it to portray the "evil" diety of the Christian faith.

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Baphomet is what Satan looks inside.  Ugly.

        Christians had nothing to do with the goat representing the devil.  Disgustingly enough, the Gnostic Christians believe Baphomet represented the Holy Spirit.

        Baphomet -- "The Gnostics held that it [universal agent] composed the igneous [pertaining to fire] body of the Holy Spirit, and it was adored in the secret rites of the Sabbat or the Temple under the hieroglyphic figure of Baphomet or the hermaphroditic goat of Mendes ." [Pike, op. cit., p. 734, teaching of the 28th Degree; Emphasis added]

        Eliphas Levi, Satanist and Freemason, designed this particular Baphomet symbol. 

        "Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated is a book in which Dr. Burns says,  "In a book on witchcraft, The Complete Book of Witchcraft and Demonology ... the caption states that he is 'the horned god of the witches, symbol of sex incarnate'." [p. 51] And if you look at his right hand you will see Baphomet making the sign of the Devil's triad. "Baphomet is also known as the Sabbatic goat, in whose form Satan is to be worshipped at the Witches' Sabbath." [Frank Gaynor, Dictionary of Mysticism, New York, Philosophical Library, 1953, p. 24]"

        http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/symbology/1o5.htm

    4. AshtonFirefly profile image82
      AshtonFireflyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I do see the point you're trying to make, Claire....this is a topic I have researched pretty extensively for a couple of years. Very interesting information, and there's a lot to investigate about it. Once you know alot about it, though, it almost tends to be overwhelming. You encounter signs of the occult presence everywhere.

      1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
        DoubleScorpionposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        First let me say I am not intenting to mean this as a jab...It is an honest question.

        In your studies of these symbols...which authors or areas are you researching. Christian authors, Pagan authors, Muslim authors, The original texts, the folk lore of various areas of the world, the oral traditions passed down through families because all "spiritual books" other than the bible were burned or because the church had you killed if you were caught with them. Who actually used these types of symbols and for what purposes? Why did the "Church" adopt some many of them if they were so "evil". These are the types of questions I ask myself when I am truly researching something and not just attempting to confirm a belief I may hold. And I was curious to your processes when researching... Thank you.

        1. AshtonFirefly profile image82
          AshtonFireflyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          All authors. All sources. I am not attempting to confirm a belief I already hold because I have no bias and no belief which I held before I researched it.
            To be honest, I have only done two years of research, so it's obviously not complete at all; and many texts and sources are not easily deciphered or understood. I approach the research with an open mind. I don't really have any expectation of what I will find.
            I have found many symbolic similarities between the occult and government symbols, but also...sometimes these symbols appear to be symbols simply passed around and no one really knew what they meant, either. It can be understood either way. I am by no means attempting to say that the government leaders are satan-worshipers. I guess I should have referenced that, as that was the main point of the OP.  I just recognize the similarity as well as the origin of these symbols and under what circumstances they were adopted....etc.
          Thanks for the question... smile

          1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
            DoubleScorpionposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I didn't mean to imply that...Sorry...

            I was just curious as to how you approached your research..

            1. AshtonFirefly profile image82
              AshtonFireflyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              No worries smile sorry if I sounded short there. I realized I did so I made a rather lengthy edit to what I said and tried to answer your questions a little more specifically.  Sorry bout that!

              1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
                DoubleScorpionposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                No worries...big_smile

          2. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            It would be silly only to consult Christian sources.  I tend to avoid them unless they provide sources that aren't non-Christians.  I tend to be interested in those who are involved in the occult themselves or once were.

            When the government associates themselves with a pentagram that everyone knows is Satanic makes you thinks they must know what it means, too.

        2. heavenbound5511 profile image80
          heavenbound5511posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          His people perish for the lack of knowledge could sum up to why are christians using known satanic/occult symbols. 
          The new King James bible even has an occult symbol on it with many changes that delete so many key words and take away important things in the bible. Here's 1 link that tells it better than I do.
          http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/pages/KJ … ersion.htm

          1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
            DoubleScorpionposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks for the link...

            I have already deeply studied this type of information and have my own theories...But of course, I cannot definitively prove my theories, as the "facts" are somewhat open for interpretation. So, I will keep them to myself.

            1. heavenbound5511 profile image80
              heavenbound5511posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Your welcome.

      2. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks, Ashton!

        They jump out at you.  This is the meaning of the all-seeing eye.  It can see people but people are totally blind.

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        jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Medical students in the first two three years when study about diseases worry about whether they got that disease.
        But beware, lest it be paranoia like that of Claire's.

    5. Disappearinghead profile image88
      Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Claire, you simply cannot suggest that every use of a five pointed star, whether it points up or down, is a sign of Satan. That's simply ridiculous. People use a star because they like the shape, or to them it means something bright and shinning. Do you seriously think that wherever someone has chosen a star as part of their logo that they consciously thought "ooh that will symbolise to those in the know that we love Satan"?

      Simon Cowel uses a five pointed star for his Britain's/America's Got Talent shows, do you think he sucks satan's toes?

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, it is insidiously a sign of Satan.  That is not to say that you have to be a Satanist when you put a Christmas tree up or when kids get a gold star.  There are many small businesses that would use stars unbeknownst of the meaning.  However, large businesses know damn well what it represents.  Freemasons basically own everything and the pentagram represents their "Blazing Star".

        I don't have any proof that Simon is a Satanist.  What I do have proof of, however, is that you will never make it big in Hollywood unless you sell your soul to the Devil.  That's the undeniable truth. 

        Melyssa Ford confession:


        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEXUzCgn-nM

        This video series will explain it all:

        http://www.theindustryexposed.com/

        1. Disappearinghead profile image88
          Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Claire I think you really need to chill out. Grab a couple beers or something, have a night out with the girls, listen to some whale song. There simply is no global satanic conspiracy.

          1. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You're in denial.

            I'll chill out when evil has been destroyed.  I have an extreme hatred for evil and it needs to be exposed.

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              jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Risperidone (Risperdal), quetiapine (Seroquel), and olanzapine (Zyprexa) usually cures evil, try it.

        2. Eric Newland profile image61
          Eric Newlandposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          How is it that large businesses are so much more privy to the dark workings of the supernatural? What causes them to acquire this knowledge? Employee count? Net revenue? What's the cut-off point where "innocent, misguided use of supposedly occult symbol" becomes "deliberate use of Satan Satan to Satan the Satans?"

          1. Greek One profile image80
            Greek Oneposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            $2.4 million net revenue

            1. vector7 profile image60
              vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Replace your 'm' with a 'b'...

              smile

          2. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I personally don't believe sole proprietors use the star sign believing it is Satanic.  The large businesses are all owned by Freemasons and it's a Satanic organization.  Usually they belong to the same blood-line which goes back to ancient Egypt.  That is why they are fixated on gods such as Horus and Osiris. 

            Think of the major businesses and you will notice the use of stars incessantly.  Walmart, Toys 'R Us, Caltex, just to name a few.  Televisions shows include America's Got Talent and CNN's AC360. 

            This will explain things nicely:

            http://trust-the-truth.blogspot.com/201 … logos.html

            1. Disappearinghead profile image88
              Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Ive found a nice picture of Simon Cowell with Satan horns, but the trouble with an iPad is you can't copy an image URL.

            2. Disappearinghead profile image88
              Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              That link is just a load or paranoid nonsense Claire.

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                Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                And that is different from the rest of her links, and posts, in this thread in any way?

                1. Disappearinghead profile image88
                  Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  No it's no different, they are all the same. It's just this is one of the few I could be bothered to have a quick look at.

                  To be fair though, Claire is not an isolated case. I have relatives who think that Freemasons are satanic  and that membership results in family line curses. Thus if your car breaks down, you are sick, in poverty, or all manner of ills, they believe you need to repent on behalf of your ancestors for their Freemason membership and get yourself delivered. The real sad thing is that they are deadly serious. hmm

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                    Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I find conspiracy theories highly entertaining, but I've never understood anyone who takes them seriously.

              2. Claire Evans profile image90
                Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Did you watch the video?

                I've got to laugh, though.  People keep telling me I'm nuts but they keep wasting their time on "lunatic" subjects such as this one.  Why bother?

              3. Claire Evans profile image90
                Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                So you watched the whole video?

                1. Disappearinghead profile image88
                  Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  No. I've seen some of the videos you have posted and they are just not credible.

                  1. Claire Evans profile image90
                    Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    You can't exactly dismiss something without actually watching it despite other videos you find incredible.

            3. Eric Newland profile image61
              Eric Newlandposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              In modern society the star has come to symbolize fame, importance, quality, imagination, forward thinking...why would anyone NOT use it?

              And as far as I've ever seen the Freemasons were/are deists, largely incompatible with Christianity but still God-centered in their view of the origins of the universe.

              To be honest, I don't see how any high-functioning person could be a Satan-worshiper. It defies all logic. If you accept the existence of Satan then you accept the biblical interpretation of him and know that he hates and desires harm and damnation for all humanity. You have to be pretty warped to worship someone who hates you, to give up all hope of eternity in exchange for a few short years of (supposedly) increased worldly power. Too warped to run a successful business, I would imagine.

              I believe Satan exists and is at work in the world, but his power lies in subtlety. He lives in the actions of wicked people--and in the darker desires of less wicked and even good people--but not in arbitrary shapes. Waste your time spooking and obsessing over logos and you really are allowing yourself to be blinded.

              1. Claire Evans profile image90
                Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Because those who know what to associate Satan with everyone and do it rather subtlety.  I suppose if the upside crucifix became synonymous with fame you would ignore the original meaning?



                You need to catch a wake-up.

                Quote from Albert Pike: “The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple.  Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretation.  It is not intended that he shall understand them, but it is intended that he shall imagine that he understands them…Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry (32nd and 33rd masons).”

                Albert Pike doesn't realize the deception doesn't end there.  Practice to deceive and you are deceived yourself.



                Satan doesn't reveal everything about him to his minions.  He omits the part where He has been defeated by the son of God and that he doesn't give a damn about them.  They think he is the good guy.  He has come to free them from the evil Jehovah! Good in Satanism means what benefits the Satanists and not what is moral.  Bad is what happens when a Satanist doesn't get his/her way.  What is important to remember is world leaders are groomed from young to be the wicked Satanists they are today.  Many are mind-controlled because they were traumatized as children.  For example, they would be allowed to bond with a pet and then it gets slaughtered in front of them.  Trauma cause people to have their mind compartmentalized.  They develop split personalities.  That is why world leaders seem so "normal" on the outside but are very different behind closed doors.  They don't make the decisions anyway.  Satan does.





                You don't appear to take Satan that seriously.  There is a very good reason why I'm concentrating on logos.  Symbols contain power.  They are designed to hex the public.  The average person's way of thinking is because of this.  I have also proved that world leaders, corporations, etc are Satanists and hell bent on enslaving humanity.  Good enough reason to expose them?

    6. Titen-Sxull profile image93
      Titen-Sxullposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      A star is a simple geometric shape, I used to get star stickers on my homework assignments when I did well. Associating it with a figure from mythology is pointless because stars are ubiquitous, common, generic, ordinary, (let me set my thesaurus aside for now).

      Also you show an image of Baphomet. The name Baphomet does not emerge until well after 1000 AD  - while Satan is a much much older idea - Baphomet is not consider to actually be a representation of Satan but is instead a symbol of duality associated with pagan religions. As can be seen the figure represents male-female unity, from the male body with female breasts.

      Whether or not world leaders worship Satan is unknown but I would hope that they are smarter than to worship an imaginary figure from mythology.

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Symbols are not ordinary.  In the occult they contain much energy. 

        Here is the point of symbols:

        "Occultists the world over believe that, once a symbol is created, it acquires power of its own, and more power is generated when such symbol(s) are created without the profane [uninitiated] knowing about it. And, the greatest power of all is created in the symbol(s) if the uninitiated NEVER discover that the symbol exists."

        Now the streets of Washington aren't adorned with occult symbols because it looks pretty.  It wields power.

        Lets take the two maps of Washington; one as it is and the other outlined so you can see the comparison:



        http://s3.hubimg.com/u/6428934_f248.jpg


        http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6428936_f248.jpg

        There's another meaning behind Baphoment which is why it is considered a Satanic entity.  Pagan gods and goddesses often are depicted as being hermaphroditic.  The goddess Artemis has a penis.

        More on that here:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtkU6P0J … re=related


        Masonic and Occult Symbols Illustrated is a book in which Dr. Burns says,  "In a book on witchcraft, The Complete Book of Witchcraft and Demonology ... the caption states that he is 'the horned god of the witches, symbol of sex incarnate'." [p. 51] And if you look at his right hand you will see Baphomet making the sign of the Devil's triad. "Baphomet is also known as the Sabbatic goat, in whose form Satan is to be worshipped at the Witches' Sabbath." [Frank Gaynor, Dictionary of Mysticism, New York, Philosophical Library, 1953, p. 24]

        The world leaders would not worship something that is the figment of their own imagination.  Do not be fooled into believing Satan doesn't exist.

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          If you're going to only pretend that part of the pentagram is there, it must be only a pretend Satan that is being worshipped, no?

          1. Disappearinghead profile image88
            Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            It look like the pentagram's a bit squashed. Does that still qualify as a sign of Satan?

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              That means that America is winning out over Satan - we are squashing him under the heel of improving American morality.

              We have learned to abhor slavery, we have learned that women are people too, and we are now in the process of learning that people with different sexuality are still people as well.

              Slowly, very slowly, we are squashing the old ways as we learn how to become civilized, how to behave in a moral way. 

              The designers of Wash D.C. knew this even when they were changing cow paths into city streets, and were careful to design the squashed pentagram into the city as a symbol of our improvements.  We are stamping out Satan!

              1. Disappearinghead profile image88
                Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Stamping out Satan? You almost sound like a TV evangelist.

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Think I'd make a good one?  A second calling, after writing maybe?

                  1. Disappearinghead profile image88
                    Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    You'd probably make a lot more money than writing too

          2. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Huh?

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Two of the "sides" are missing and have been filled in with only imagination.  All the red lines follow streets laid out over the decades, but the yellow lines are only imagined in order to make a pentagram where one does not exist.

              1. Claire Evans profile image90
                Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Sorry you can't see the pentagram!

    7. Uninvited Writer profile image83
      Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Lol

    8. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
      Jesus was a hippyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      When I first saw this I thought you were joking. After reading some of your subsequent posts I am dumbfounded at the craziness of your claims.

      Stars are all over the place. If you think that everyone who uses a star as a symbol for anything is a devil worshipper then you are clearly deluding yourself.

      1. Eric Newland profile image61
        Eric Newlandposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I, too, was living under the ignorant assumption that the Church Lady wasn't a real person.

        http://s3.hubimg.com/u/6431110.jpg

        Now who keeps putting those five-point stars all over the place? Could it beeeeee...SATAN????

    9. nightwork4 profile image59
      nightwork4posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      wouldn't satan have to be a real thing in order for anyone to worship him or her, just wondering?

      1. Reality Bytes profile image93
        Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago in reply to this


        No, it is very possible for people to worship things that are not real.

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      Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I'm sorry, Claire, this type of silliness deserves to be mocked.

      Using similar logic, I'm going to present proof that Jesus is either 1) a collection of swallows nests, 2) a collection of newts, 3) a collection of vests, or 4) a collection of vents.

      Nothing makes it more more blatant than this diagram:

      JESUS > JESTS

      JESTS > NESTS
      NESTS > NEWTS

      OR:

      JESTS > VESTS
      VESTS > VENTS

      Here is my evidence presented visually:


      http://s4.hubimg.com/u/6448463_f248.jpg

      TO:

      http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6448465_f248.jpg

      TO:


      http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6448477_f248.jpg

      OR:

      http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6448480_f248.jpg

      OR:

      http://s4.hubimg.com/u/6448483_f248.jpg

      TO:


      http://s4.hubimg.com/u/6448491_f248.jpg

      OR:


      http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6448493_f248.jpg

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Okay, good for you.  It's just that I wasn't comparing words to other words changing the letters.  I was pointing out that the campaign 2012 had a pentagram which everyone knows it's Satanic.

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          Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          A pentagram is not Satanic. It possesses no meaning. In fact, no geometric shape possesses intrinsic meaning. When they have meanings, those meanings have been assigned to them. For whatever reason, your mind sees Satanic conspiracy everywhere, so that you see evidence of it everywhere, even in simple geometric shapes.

          1. gmwilliams profile image85
            gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Folks, we are now in the Twilight Zone.   Oh dear, a phantom is coming towards us!  Run, run, run- heck, there was no phantom.  Imaginations are running wild again..........

          2. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Chasuk, really...

    11. Mmargie1966 profile image91
      Mmargie1966posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Claire, what you are proposing sounds far fetched, but is it?

      God is in Heaven.  He created us in his image and for a purpose.  There is much good in this world, but there is much evil as well.

      I don't know the answer to your question, but I support your right to ask it.

      ...just my two cents

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Thanks.

        I just find it curious that some Christians believe Jesus rose from the dead without question, which does sound far-fetched, but Satan influencing world leaders is far-fetched.

    12. Hokey profile image60
      Hokeyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I thought at first you meant santa and just misspelled it. I was made to go to sunday school as a child and when you recited your assigned bible verse correctly you were given a gold star. A five pointed gold star! Hmmmmmm........ big_smile
      .

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I've heard that Santa is actually an anagram of Satan.


        http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6501392.jpg

        There's your proof. Lol

        1. Hokey profile image60
          Hokeyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Now thats funny. Santa in spanish means holy. As in santa biblia(holy bible).

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            jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            May be the bible was also written by satan, to lead astray the faithful.

        2. twosheds1 profile image60
          twosheds1posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You've "heard" that? It IS! And the Nat'l Academy of Television Arts & Sciences, NATAS, is "Satan" spelled backwards. But I really shouldn't be encouraging you. Please see a psychiatrist.

    13. twosheds1 profile image60
      twosheds1posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Have you ever been evaluated for schizophrenia? I'm serious.

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        Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Funny, but she was unhappy when I suggested paranoid delusions.

      2. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I'll give you an answer truthfully.  No, I do no have schizophrenia.  I am being treated for clinical depression and my psychiatrist has never diagnosed with me that or any other kind of psychosis.

  2. Eric Newland profile image61
    Eric Newlandposted 4 years ago

    Actually, all those horizontal red and white stripes remind me of bacon.

    Proof that breakfast is eaten by our world leaders! Lunchists, unite! Do not let yourselves be marked by the Sign of the Toast!

    1. AshtonFirefly profile image82
      AshtonFireflyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      LOL. This made me laugh...

  3. SimeyC profile image90
    SimeyCposted 4 years ago

    This symbol has many different uses throughout the world even in Christianity.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram

    It can be associated with Satanism, but also with Paganism and many other religions.....

    1. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Thanks much for your interesting link.


      Satan is involved in every facet of life and that is why pentagrams appear everywhere in various cultures and beliefs.  Satanism very much exists in the Christian religion because of the Vatican.  It was Gnostic Christians who believed that the pentagram represented the five wounds of Christ and they believe Baphomet represents the Holy Spirit. 

      We can debate about the various meanings of the upright pentagram but it is universally accepted an upside down one represents devil worship. 

      Regarding the Republican pentagram usage, the stars originally were up in the elephant image but were later inverted which kind of makes you wonder the motive behind that is.

      Here is the original elephant imagery:


      http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6424028_f248.jpg


      Later changed to...


      http://www.factmonster.com/images/party_republican.jpg

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        Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I can answer that. The stars were changed to give the impression that they were rolling. They wanted to symbolize a party on the move. Those satan worshiping democrats had accused the republicans of being a party against change. So, the republicans thought changing the stars was easier then changing the party. It appears, a democratic infiltrator suggested putting the point on the bottom. After Satan suggested it to him. The naive republicans never knew what was happening.

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          Brenda Durhamposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          LOL
          You could be right.
          And...the democrat probably did that in order to distract from their Party symbol---the donkey.

          1. vector7 profile image60
            vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            lol

  4. Eric Newland profile image61
    Eric Newlandposted 4 years ago

    Actually, Satan's probably pretty pleased that people are obsessing over arbitrary shapes in logos, instead of, you know, actual evil.

    The five-point star is nothing more than an iconic, stylized, and immediately recognizable representation of a star. In reality, of course, stars are spherical. Try drawing a circle and see how many people identify it as a star.

    1. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I don't think he is happy to have world leaders being exposed as being in allegiance with him.  Makes you wonder why there is so much evil in the world, no?



      That's very perceptive of you.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        God kicked Satan out of heaven, giving free rein in God's custom built playground.  The reason there is so much evil in the world, therefore, is because God allows it to happen.  He need only snap His fingers (so to speak) to put a stop to it.

        1. Claire Evans profile image90
          Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Have you rejected all evil? God can snap away all evil when all people reject evil else our we don't have free will and believe me, you'd have a crai about that.

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      Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Draw a circle and Claire may swear it's the devil's playground.

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        jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        lol You should not even draw a line!

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          Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You're probably right. She may think that's representative of a beeline to Satan.

  5. SimeyC profile image90
    SimeyCposted 4 years ago

    "We can debate about the various meanings of the upright pentagram but it is universally accepted an upside down one represents devil worship."

    But this is an incorrect perception - the Pentagram has been used a lot longer than its attachment to satanism.

    Medieval Christian religion uses it to represent the five wounds of Jesus.

    The Chinese use it as a Representation of the Chinese five phases, or elements.

    It's only in the 19th century when a pentagram pointing downwards was seen as evil and it became a popular sign for Satanism....

    1. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      "We can debate about the various meanings of the upright pentagram but it is universally accepted an upside down one represents devil worship."

      But this is an incorrect perception - the Pentagram has been used a lot longer than its attachment to satanism.

      Medieval Christian religion uses it to represent the five wounds of Jesus.

      The Chinese use it as a Representation of the Chinese five phases, or elements.

      It's only in the 19th century when a pentagram pointing downwards was seen as evil and it became a popular sign for Satanism....

      Satanism has existed from the dawn of civilization! What's Baal worship, for example? Satan comes in various forms and has many names and symbols. 

      Gnostic Christians did not see the upside down pentagram as the five wounds of Jesus nor did the Chinese.  The Norwegian pentagram is upside down but it was designed to be placed over southern Norway.

      Appallingly enough, the upside down pentagram is also found in the streets of Washington.

      http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20 … ati/dc.htm

  6. SimeyC profile image90
    SimeyCposted 4 years ago

    As for the Republicans, the pentagram doesn't seem to be pointing up or do - so are they semi-good and semi-evil?

    1. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      No, it's pretty clear what side is up and what side is down.

      1. Druid Dude profile image60
        Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The direction of the point is irelevant. It's not a compass. There are other evidences. So obvious that it is a wonder that, even being blind, you can't see them.

  7. Greek One profile image80
    Greek Oneposted 4 years ago

    http://www.richardcassaro.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/symbols2-2.jpg

    The Proof is EVERYWHERE...

    1. Druid Dude profile image60
      Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      We have fifty of 'em on our flag...top that!

      1. Druid Dude profile image60
        Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Wandering after the beast. Could it be...that we've all been hook, line and sinkered? Could be. Everyone is wandering after the beast. Regardless of who you are, what you call yourself, what "God" you follow, or don't follow. Fact is, we are all in a leaky lifeboat we call Earth, and we better figure out what's up before hunger really sets in, and the hungrier half eats those who can't defend themselves. Rescue may or may not arrive in time, if at all. If we don't start acting like we are on our own in a world so totally deceived that all we do is argue and act violently, then we are all lost. Cheer up.  There's always something I'm not saying.

    2. Eric Newland profile image61
      Eric Newlandposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I'd post the NBC "The More You Know" logo but it's satanic too.

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Ha, ha..did you know Satan is also known as the dog star, Sirius?

        This is from a 33rd degree Mason called Jim Shaw.

        "The Freemasons have Sirius as their focus.  It is known as the Eastern Star, which is a name for the Freemasonic organisation that allows women to become initiates.  Sirius is the first star to rise in the east in the latitudes of Egypt.  It is also the symbol of Satanism.  A circle around the star Sirius (the pentagram) is used to attract demons."

        Set/Sirius is portrayed by Black Magick Satanists as the "Devil of Darkness" and the Lord of the Underworld", according to New Age author, M. Esther Harding, in her book, Woman's Mysteries: Ancient and Modern , New York, G.P. Putnam's Sons for the C.G. Jung Foundation For Analytical Psychology, 1971 Edition, p. 48, and 168 respectively].

        Further, Harding reveals that this "Underworld' over which Set/Sirius is charge is not Hades, but Tartarus, for "Tartarus is the hell of the damned and it was of this world that Set was the Lord".  Schnoebelen then adds the caveat that Set's symbol is the Inverted Pentagram!  Thus, the filthy Satanic Pentagram represents Sirius/Set , by whatever name the occultist uses.

        http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1487.cfm

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          erickcbposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          The five pointed star is the symbol of a man. and ALLAH the master of the universe is just an anagram for arm, leg, leg, arm, head. the body of a man. The inverse is a perversion of the "natural" man standing upright, so it creates a "goatman" or beast. The beast is supposed to represent satan, or whatever, but actually, the symbolism merely represents the darkside of man--a beast. 666 is his number the number of man.

          1. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            It doesn't matter what side the star it, it's both Satanic.

            http://s3.hubimg.com/u/6448358_f248.jpg


            Image: Aleister Crowley, infamous Satanist, who called himself "The Beast 666". 

            In Revelation, the number of the Beast, the Anti-Christ, is 666. 

            Do you know the history of the Allah? He was one of many moon gods worshiped by pagans until Mohammed made him the supreme and only moon god.  That is why Islam is associated with the crescent moon.

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              erickcbposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I am aware of who Aleister Crowley is. The beast 666 comes from using hebrew letters and numbers applied to his name. Have fun with that one. But still in ancient hebrew 1 and 1000 are the same number. the Alpha and Omega so to speak. in between them is 999. when you flip it like you do a star its 666.These are simple masonic teachings here. So basically it is like saying man in the middle. you know middle earth. all those clever hints no one gets.  You know who HER MAN Cain is? His name literally is the hermaphrodite king. (that is who they worship) The hermaphrodite king is the mind. The male and female hemispheres of it. They call him many names but the most popular is Lucifer the light bring. What a bright idea eh? Herman Cain's  tax plan? 999? Yeah you get it now. You are right about how they just put it out there. But it is only for laughs for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. All is a mirror image. It is true we are in an occult system but it is NOT Satan worship. It is the worship of man "perfected." They who run the whole show believe they are the perfected man, a higher species. And all they did was adopt the original pagan symbols and mirrored them or "perfected" them. You obviously do not read much into the higher orders. Yes there are only 33 rungs on Jacobs Ladder. But Life begins at 40. And a circle has 360 degrees-->The Rolling Stone. okay? You are making a fool out of yourself. I am a self "enlightened" human being. I am not a mason. Masonry is for fools at the bottom. The useful idiots who pay each other off and get little favors here and there. They have massive egos because they teach them they have "virtue" and they are just so important. haha. I am only 20 btw. To get where I am took 3 years. But hey, once you know, you KNOW. Then you can see how weak this whole system run by psychopaths really is. It is good that you are trying to fight it, but they will eventually come for you and I. Hope you know where you will be going after death. The ending is only the beginning my friend<---I learned this from Toy Story.

              oh what an interesting world we are in :]
              Try not to let your life pass you by, I know this stuff can really suck weeks away from you. That is it's other purpose. There is too much information to digest. If you want any help you can send me a message.

              1. Claire Evans profile image90
                Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Haven't I heard of middle earth before? It's interesting what you say about man in the middle.  There's a man in the middle of a pentagram, the star pointing upwards.  So the stars we see incessantly means 666? What does that say about the US, Syria flag, etc? I hear that Cain's name is not his real name.  I hear Cain is supposed to represent Tabul-Cain.  Also hermaphrodite reminds me of something...Baphomet.  Who do you think offers the perfection of man? Satan.  They believe they are a superior species but perfection only comes with their Christ consciousness.  I'm making a fool of myself? Whatever.  A foolish person doesn't believe Satan exists.

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                  erickcbposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  In order to get to a point where you have a FULL and I mean, FULL understanding of what is going on, you will have to let go of your indoctrination. Religion I mean. Religion means to rebind. RE tie. That means you are binding yourself (mind) to a set of faith based dogma. Religion was never meant to free you at all. You say the world is run by powerful people who hide behind symbols. Well, there you go right there. They RULE the world. Do you not know the VICTORS write the histories? How do you even know the Bible is true? Because an expert/preacher/priest told you? FYI Pastors, Priest, Clergy are all Masons. MASS is for the masses. Behind closed doors, the priests have their own religion. It is indeed sun, moon, and stellar worship. Lemme ask you something, if these men are in contact with some entity, why worship metaphors? Why not just worship the thing directly? Another thing, as you go deeper, you will find out all symbols have MANY meanings. The Pentagram has various levels to it. I suggest you use all your acquired knowledge and apply it rationally. Do not take your indoctrination with you. That is another trick of the elect. Electric. Get it? This is another hint for you.

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                    Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I'm going to be honest, Erickcb, it sounds like you have exchanged one religion for another. Sun, moon, and stellar worship? Worshiping the entity behind metaphors? The pentagram as a mysterious thing -- instead of just a geometric shape -- which has various "levels?" Tricks of the "elect?"

                    I think you might want to take your acquired knowledge and apply it rationally.

                  2. Claire Evans profile image90
                    Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Don't assume I'm indoctrinated.  Being religious is different from having a personal relationship with Christ.  I am fully aware that the victors write history.  That is why it is all a big lie.  How do I know the Bible is true? Good question! I've done research into paganism and the occult in the Old Testament thus most does not reflect my God.  It cannot be trusted in its entirety.  As for the New Testament, people can argue that many things are made up.  How do we know that's right? Only by having a relationship with Jesus otherwise skepticism will always be a factor when it comes to the Bible.   Those in the occult will often use metaphors because their secrets are only meant to be understand by them.  Can they get the masses to worship Satan by revealing who he really is? Or could they associate him with the sun which the masses know is the life-giver. 

                    You say the pentagram has various levels to it.  So tell me, what do you think the upside down pentragram in the 2012 Campaign means? What was the reason for that symbol being there?

  8. getitrite profile image79
    getitriteposted 4 years ago

    Hi, I'm Satan and I'm growing quite irritated at you people aligning me with these scumbag Republicans.  I am being totally misrepresented here.  Stop this thread now, or you will hear from my lawyer.

    http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z241/wiszard/satan.gif

    1. vector7 profile image60
      vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Well, you aren't him..

      But you sure seem to want to be him.

      1. getitrite profile image79
        getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Funny! lol  But isn't it a relief, and a joy to know that there is no such nonsense as Satan?

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I don't know.... if you take hard enough drugs, that Satan can look real

          1. getitrite profile image79
            getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You have a point there. lol

  9. Disappearinghead profile image88
    Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago

    Mercedes Benz have a three pointed star. Does that mean they are led by a low calorie low fat low carb Satan?

    1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
      DoubleScorpionposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Of course not... That is the sign of the trinity...Haven't you noticed, almost every TV preacher drives a Benz...it is a religious car...

      big_smile

      1. Disappearinghead profile image88
        Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Now that reminds me of a Mercedes TV advert that had a song that went "oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz....." smile

        1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
          DoubleScorpionposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          big_smile

  10. vector7 profile image60
    vector7posted 4 years ago

    The sad thing here is science proves energy is eternal, never made, and never used up..

    So in essence is proof of supernatural things and eternity, and while you are all laughing at Claire's seeing eyes, you are blind to obvious clues not because you couldn't see things if you tried, but you refuse it because it isn't 'cool' or even 'normal' to look past physical..

    And while you think Claire is so lost, when she is giving you things to look into, all the little minions are laughing at you thinking you're so so smart..

    See, thing is.. People aren't afraid of things when they 'think' they're safe..

    You find out Satan is really there one day, and catch him looking at you through a window and you might find out you aren't so untouchable or tough anymore.

    I've found that things that seem impossible, well...

    They aren't so impossible after all.

    And the clocks going to stop one day.

    Surprize...

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      Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Vector, please tell me you don't buy into this insanity. I've never read a more pitiful thread. You do realize that the star used in the Obama campaign picture had to be turned that way, in order to have the stars on the flag show up the best?

      Aesthetics is not a synonym for Satan, except maybe in bizarro Claire land.

    2. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
      Jesus was a hippyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      LOL satan? You dont believe in Santa too do you?

      1. getitrite profile image79
        getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Apparently there are monsters under his bed too...staring at him.  lol!

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Satan made him post this thread, because my soul dose not subscribe to Satan written from sheep herders and or people who die young because they lived out in the sun (son) too long

  11. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago

    Most times a cigar is just a cigar...

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      writeronlineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Unless of course you're a sexy lil intern working for Bill Clinton. Wonder if he told her he'd make her a star?

  12. Reality Bytes profile image93
    Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago

    There is a difference between the Satan/Devil archetype and the Prometheus/Lucifer one.  One is the Bringer of Light, one is a destroyer.

    The Pentagram is a sun symbol, as most religions have their basis in this history.  I know it personally as a symbol of the five elements.

    The all seeing eye, the pentagram and various sun symbols are the first choice for corporate symbols.  Why, I don't know.

    1. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      They are the same being.  Satan is the Prince of Darkness but comes as an angel of light.  Sun worship is Satanism. 


      The book The Two Babylons stated that the worship of the serpent was always universally associated with the sun. Quoting Rev. A. Hislop: "Along with the sun, as the great fire-god, and, in due time, identified with him, was the serpent worshipped. … In the mythology of the primitive world… the serpent is universally the symbol of the sun. "In Egypt, one of the commonest symbols of the sun, or sun-god, is a disc with a serpent around it (p. 227)."


      Quoting the book Secret Doctrine by H. P. Blavatsky, it states that worship of the dragon and the sun were universal on the earthplane. "The tradition of the Dragon and the Sun is echoed in every part of the world.…There was a time when the four parts of the world were covered with the temples sacred to the Sun and the Dragon: but the cult is now preserved mostly in China and the Buddhist countries (p. 378-9, V. II)." The dragon, however, is not the middle age concept of a beast with wings breathing fire, but is, in reality, a snake.

         
      So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him (Rev. 12:9 NKJV).
         
      But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent (Rev. 12:14. NKJV).
         
      So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood (Rev 12:15. NKJV).
         
      He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years (Rev. 20:2; NKJV).
         
      For their power is in their mouth and in their tails; for their tails are like serpents, having heads; and with them they do harm (Rev. 9:19 NKJV).

      Alexander Hislop in his book The Two Babylons, p. 226 quotes, “The beginning, then, of sun-worship, and of the worship of the host of heaven, was a sin against the light—a presumptuous, heaven-daring sin.”

      “The sun, as the great source of light and heat, was worshipped under the name of Baal. … The sun, under that name, was worshipped in the earliest ages of the world…” (ibid. p. 226)

      I don't think I have to introduce you to Baal.

      This is why Freemasonry revolves around serpent and sun worship.

      It's so easy to connect the dots when you get the hang of it.

      http://www.plim.org/2Luciferian.htm



      Because they're Satanists.

      1. Reality Bytes profile image93
        Reality Bytesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, but an individual would need to step back from the christian myths in order to see the whole picture.

        1. Claire Evans profile image90
          Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Not actually.  I get my information not from Christian but occultists themselves and what the occult really is and not anything made up.

  13. ii3rittles profile image86
    ii3rittlesposted 4 years ago

    All of these symbols have to do with Pagan worship. From my understanding, Pagan religion revolves around worshiping the stars, the sun, the moon, the planets, and the earth itself "Mother Earth"... Which is why "going green" is being almost forced on us. The leaders of the world want us all to take care of the earth for the sake of their so called "goddess", Demeter. She has a few other names spanning thru different cultures, but this is the reason why the governments are so concerned with "saving" the earth... Yet is is not the earth that needs saving, it is them.

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      Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Right. It's evil to recycle. I should have known. roll

    2. Eric Newland profile image61
      Eric Newlandposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I know, right? Every year, after I open all my birthday presents, one of my favorite things to do is gather them all into a little pile, drop my drawers, and take a big, steaming dump on them.

      So when God gives me an entire planet as a gift, why not do the same thing? Because not crapping on the gifts God gives us is totally playing into Satan's hands, am I right?

    3. DoubleScorpion profile image86
      DoubleScorpionposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      And the reason God is not so happy with the Human race and allowing the continued reign of "satan"...Very few respect the gifts he has given them...

      What happens to humans when we completely kill our planet? Or are we all counting on the return of Jesus to happen before that does? Or is that in and of itself gonna be the trigger for the "rapture" to take place?

      Seeing as the majority of the people on this planet are believers in one form or another and believe in a higher power that placed us all here and given us the wonderful planet to live on during our lifespans...One would think, they would appreciate it a hair more than they do...But it is typical of humans...No respect or appreciation for anything, but want everything handed to them with little to no effort on their part....Faith without works...Bah...I have seen very little work from the Believers as of late....but a whole lot of Faith....Something for nothing...

    4. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It's what the symbols represent that matter.  The stars represent Ishtar, the sun Baal, the moon the devil as well.  "Going green" is just an expose to impose carbon taxes.  Impose carbon taxes are third world countries and they become more indebted to them.  Why would they care about Mother Earth, Gaia, when they nuke power plants, drop uranium bombs on countries, cause oil spills, etc?

  14. dmop profile image86
    dmopposted 4 years ago

    I don't think the symbols prove anything, but If you don't believe that we are headed toward a world where the leaders get their power from satan, then you either don't understand the Bible or just don't believe it.

    1. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      This doesn't make sense.  So you believe that world leaders WILL get their power from Satan and don't already?

  15. jacharless profile image80
    jacharlessposted 4 years ago

    For the Reader,

    Until the late 14th century, there are no historical documents or major references to demons or an entity named Satan. Prior documents were used by European churches, to create such things as Dante's Inferno and the Seven Deadly Sins [which are actually not apart of the canonized texts].

    The term satan, transliterate, is in adjective form, not proper form or noun/name.
    Torah contains no reference to any entity named Satan, but many references to ha-satan, again in the adjective form.

    This title was designed and determined by the churches to promote morality and provide answer to such inflictions as depression, laziness (Sloth, or Belphapor, one of the seven princes of hell), etc.

    The title was then attached to a singular -and only- reference to another term known as lucem ferre, lightbearer, messenger, now known the world over, as Lucifer. Yet, no document in all of human history provides further account of this supposed enemy of mankind. It would only make sense that should such a being even exist, the One who made man would have told us all about it, and all those supposed 'fallen' angels (messengers of light) as well.

    In actuality, the word demon in Latin, to Germanic (English) was written incorrectly, because of it similarity to dæmon. A dæmon is also a good messenger or spirit (see Platos Symposium) from Greek Mythology. Because the use of the a-e combination, the 'a' was later dropped and demon became the word used to describe the evils of man -by displacing those acts upon entities born in paganism.

    It is widely known that from the 5th to 15th century, the churches were deeply involved with ba`al practices and inclusive mythological ideologies, dating back centuries and used those tales to imply these entities existed.

    Are the leaders of nations still practicing ba`alism? Certainly, but it does not mean they are controlled by entities, that have never been proven to exist. In actuality, the concept of demonology was made fun of in Hebrew culture and did not appear until canonized Christianity was formed.

    Those who argue will state Y`shua dealt with "demons", like legion, but one who reads it understands the person he was dealing with had schizophrenia. Because the word demon does not appear in the text, it was dæmon that appears. Any affliction, wound/sore, strong sickness, even drunkenness was considered 'unclean' spirit. Not at all 'evil' or demonic', just a goodness of spirit that was 'unclean'.

    In short, there is no proof of such an entity existing named Satan or Lucifer.
    There is no proof of 'demons' aka fallen angels existing.
    These are pagan stories, told by post-pagan theologians.

    Sidebar: The Puritans thoroughly rejected the concept of demons/demonology.
    Alas, these stories resurfaced, in the States, as the the WW's & Great Depression hit.
    A time when social chaos was peaking and alcoholism/consumption was huge, because of fast talking, ego driven, money making, holistic charlatans.

    It is exactly the same time frame when 'healing ministers', like Wigglesworth, McPhearson, Lake, etc, emerged -replacing snake-oil revival healers, who were very popular from the late 16th to 18th centuries. Modern Christianity is still holding on to the precise teachings of these 19th century 'revival' preachers.

    Today, much of those snake-oil, holistic charlatans, are found in marketing companies for energy drinks, weight loss,etc. Perhaps Red Bull is the 'devil' or perhaps INXS was right, every single one of us, has a 'devil' inside, because there certainly is no proof of such entities existing in human history outside.

    http://makingsenseofmaths.com.au/wp-content/photos/fib_apple_1.jpg
    image source: making sense of maths [dot] com.
    Not the 'devils' apple, although it does form a 5 pointed star and has precisely 9 points forming a circle around the star...

    James.

    1. Eric Newland profile image61
      Eric Newlandposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      You bring up some interesting points, but...just for example...

      If the existence of devils runs contrary to Christian teachings, who tempted Jesus in the wilderness?

      1. jacharless profile image80
        jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Excellent Question, Eric.

        While I should write an article(s) on this topic, I will give the short answer.
        First, it is not 'who' but 'what' tempted Y`shua.
        It is the same what that tested Jobs character -meaning the truth he proclaimed as being right-minded. A test of heart versus ego.
        Same 'what' that tested Moshe, Isaiah and Elijah.

        With power, comes great responsibility.
        Y`shua was born without the blindness of the Adamic Inception. Unlike those before him, who experienced a glimpse of their true nature -a powerful creation, uniting heaven-earth- he knew full well the measure of that power. Although his heart was in right-mindedness, the ego or mind can easily take up shop.
        Imagine, with the level of understanding and actual power/ability, what he could have done.

        Looking at the items he was tested in, clearly indicates a battle of mind over heart.

        First, we see the metaphoric connection of 40, regarding possibly the flood rains and wandering in the desert, until the mentality of slavery was wiped away from the Israelites.
        Son of G-d command stone to bread. This symbolizes the same ability of the prophets, like calling down fire from heaven. The power of Creator was on his lips to yield as he saw fit. The temptation to misuse that power existed strongly, especially when reflected to a basic human necessity -hunger. Misusing the power of words or ruach given to each of us. By worshiping his ego, yielding the power and temptation of control, he could of had over the temple, the law and Jerusalem -even the known world itself at the time. This even happened during his walk. People referenced him as king and such, setting off a series of events, that the law-makers and Rome did not like. Just a few of the things he -and we- have the ability to do, could easily consume people and push a person to the status of a 'god on earth'. Even to the smallest level he used that power.

        ha-satan (mind/ego) battles for control & for control of that power. No doubt exhausting to the point of madness. I suppose all of us have had moments like these on certain levels.

        James

    2. Disappearinghead profile image88
      Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Steady on James, someone might look at your apple with the 5 pointed star arrangement of seeds and proclaim it as evidence that Satan tempted Eve with an apple. All apples and their seed are the seed of Satan. Arrgghhh.

      1. jacharless profile image80
        jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yup, good old Hamsa...
        James.

  16. tussin profile image60
    tussinposted 4 years ago

    Keep in mind the OP is undergoing electro convulsive treatments for mental illness (according to one of her hubs).  There is no sense arguing with this woman.  She suffers from extreme paranoia and sees conspiracies everywhere.  You cannot convince her that she is wrong. She reads books written by people of a similar mentality to confirm her delusions and in her mind this amounts to proof that she is right and the rest of us are wrong. 

    She looks at the world through the distorting lens of conspiracy and all the rational arguments in the world will not change her mind.  Change has to come from within.  I would suggest that people stop trying to enlighten her and just ignore her posts.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Hey, the hub of hers that I read (and yes I watched the videos) was spot-on and made not only common sense but Spiritual sense.  She exposed the lie that is New Age religion, which has become incorporated into so much of our mental health system and into even some Churches.  She's got enough sense to not be swayed by Oprah Winfrey's silly ideas and other people's silly theories.

      I suggest you stop judging a Hubber's state of mind, especially when there is evidence to the contrary of your judgement!   And I challenge you to write a better hub.   Or heck to even write ONE. LOL.   Otherwise, perhaps it's YOUR posts that people should start ignoring.

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        jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Were in the same ward?

    2. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I think it is time to educate yourself.  Major depression is on the rise globally and Electro Convulsive Therapy has been proven to effectively treat it.  It stimulates the brain to secrete more serotonin, which makes us feel normal and helps us cope in life.  Depressed people are deprived of fully having serotonin.  So it has nothing to do with psychosis.

      Many people with depression are terrified of the stigma.  They are terrified of being called a nut and refuse treatment.  Then they go onto to commit suicide.  It is people like you that people kill themselves.  Proud of that?

      The reason why I wrote those hubs is not only for therapeutic purposes but to educate people.  There is nothing to be ashamed of to suffer from major depression.

      1. Jewels profile image80
        Jewelsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Claire, sorry........but you cannot separate depression from psychosis. It is an illness of the psyche - the mind.  Whether it's a depletion of serotonin or not, it is still a psychosis.

        You could argue that depression is on the rise because of the level of control and lack of freedoms.  When it comes to chemical imbalances one must look at the chicken and egg scenario.  What caused the depletion of serotonin?  Causes are diet, stress, anxiety.  The last two are to do with psychosis.

        Depression has naught to do with being a nutter.  Nutters are usually happy!

        1. gmwilliams profile image85
          gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          +++++++++.  Depression is indeed a serious illness.   Anyone who is afflicted with this illness should seek psychological or psychiatric counselling.   Depression is nothing to laugh at.

          1. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Agreed.

        2. Claire Evans profile image90
          Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Definition of psychosis:

          Psychosis is a symptom or feature of mental illness typically characterized by radical changes in personality, impaired functioning, and a distorted or nonexistent sense of objective reality.
          Description

          Patients suffering from psychosis have impaired reality testing; that is, they are unable to distinguish personal subjective experience from the reality of the external world. They experience hallucinations and/or delusions that they believe are real, and may behave and communicate in an inappropriate and incoherent fashion. Psychosis may appear as a symptom of a number of mental disorders, including mood and personality disorders. It is also the defining feature of schizophrenia, schizophreniform disorder, schizoaffective disorder, delusional disorder, and the psychotic disorders (i.e., brief psychotic disorder, shared psychotic disorder, psychotic disorder due to a general medical condition, and substance-induced psychotic disorder).

          A person who is insane, or the medical term for it psychosis, cannot tell the different between right and wrong.

          Insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior.

          Therefore, psychosis is not synonymous with major depression.  They are just different branches of mental illness.

          Having said that, bipolar people are prone to psychotic episodes.

          It is utterly appalling how little people know about depression.

          1. Jewels profile image80
            Jewelsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            It is appalling.

            I use the word psychotic as being a more severe form of mental illness.  Anything to do with the mind is psyche........xyz.  Psychiatry, psychology, psychosis, psychotic.

            There are several levels of depression from mild to severe.  But again the question remains - is it depression that creates the lowering of serotonin or is it the lower levels of serotonin that cause depression.  The jury is out as to whether chemical reactions are created by moods or moods create chemical reactions.

            1. Claire Evans profile image90
              Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              But don't you understand that someone with major depression doesn't automatically suffer from psychosis? I know the difference between right and wrong and I don't hallucinate.   I'll ask my psychiatrist if I'm psychotic.  I think I already know what he is going to say.

              In my case, depression was caused by stress which lowered my serotonin levels.  Depression being genetic in my case, my  brain would be susceptible to this.  However, sometimes people get depressed for no reason whatsoever.  They can have the greatest life but still be depressed.  I think it can go either way.

              1. Jewels profile image80
                Jewelsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I do know the difference Claire, I've been working in the field for over 10 years.  It was your wording.  I am not saying you are psychotic.  Depression always has a reason, it's just people can look in the wrong place to find the answers to it's origins.  There are different origins for different people.  Having a predisposition to it does not mean it's a life sentence either.  I hope you get on top of it, it's not a nice place to be.

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        writeronlineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        "Major depression is on the rise globally and Electro Convulsive Therapy has been proven to effectively treat it. " 

        Claire, the medical term for your analysis is 'bullshit'. Wanna get plugged into the mains for a few seconds, just to see if it changes your views for the better? You're hypothesising, but I'm talking from experience.

  17. Jewels profile image80
    Jewelsposted 4 years ago

    Perhaps if you read the Lucifer Principal you'd understand what constitutes a meme and the influence of the Ahrimanic Agenda on the world.  It is most unfortunate, and at the core of what is unstable on this planet, that evil is projected outward.  Meaning that everyone who wants to banish evil is saying everything outside is evil and yet never looks inward to see the part of them that hates.  We live in a world of blame - it is all that is done to us that is the problem.  Owning the part of us that is capable of evil and that is hateful is a bitter pill to swallow. It is why it is so easy to blame someone else.

    The kingdom of God is within, and so is evil.  Yet modern day christian teachings is hell bent on blaming everyone else for what ails the world.  The correct passing of the knowledge of the Dragon or snake, is that within each of us is both light and dark.  The Dragon, or that which is deep within all of us is a corruptable principle within.  The knowledge of the Dragon or snake is unfortunately tainted by ignorance and fear.  The depths of us is laden with the most exquisite of human experiences. (The closest most will get is by having good sex).  It is what makes us complete as human beings. The saying "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is in the realm of the Dragon/Snake within. 

    In some spiritual paths it is by encompassing those riches that makes us whole.  It is by facing the dragon, owning it's power that one can triumph.  Integrity is the key however.  In modern day Christian teachings we are to turn away from this part of ourselves.  How is that making one divine when we only see half of ourselves?  Not a good doctrine to ignore what we are.

    I didn't see an expose of New Age Deception in Claire's hub.  I saw Claire's reaction, or non opening to what could have helped her.  It is very true there is a lot of nonsense in new age circles.  Same as there is a lot of nonsense and deception in modern Christian teachings.  Yet Claire herself has done what appears to be a lot of reading of new age books which she has expressed in this thread.

    Corruption in the world is as much brought on by the ignorant as it is by the 1% who drive it.  That makes 99% of the world Satan followers by default.  Ignorance is the realm of Satanic influence.  So beautifully subliminal and subtle.

    By the way, if you do read the Luciferic Principal, understand that a meme is primarily something we are unconscious of.  So beautifully orchestrated that we have no sense we are influenced by it.  And yet we are influenced by several of them all at once.

    Apologies for war and peace!

    1. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I've never claimed that everything outside is evil.   What is your definition of the kingdom of God within you?  I think serpents have been tainted by those who worship it.  Wanting to achieve divinehood is considered blasphemy.  We can never be on par with God.

      It wouldn't be possible for a New Ager to be one and know they are being deceived.

      1. Jewels profile image80
        Jewelsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The kingdom of God is within are words spoken by Jesus according to the bible.  It is also known in other traditions to be the same.  It is by going inward that one finds the kingdom of heaven.  it is within through reflection and solitude - Christians call it prayer, other modalities call it meditation.  And also by change/transformation that one cleanses oneself of evil thoughts etc. 

        There is major misunderstanding on the myth of the serpent.  It is important to love thyself as one would love God and this includes the entirety of self including the part that is tempted by the serpent.

        I don't understand your last sentence, could you clarify?  "It wouldn't be possible for a New ager to be one and know they are being deceived."  Do you mean a devil worshiper?

        I watched the Devil's Advocate.  It was a great movie and depicted the beautiful deception.  It is as much true for Christians as it is for Muslims and Hindu's and Buddhists.  The Ahrimanic agenda encompasses everyone.  Christians particularly are under the hypnotic influence of a meme.  Again you have no understanding or consciousness of it unless you see the mechanisms that you are influenced by.

        1. lovemychris profile image80
          lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I used to watch a woman whom they put on public access for a while. She said the same thing. Don't run from your fears and ugliness...meet them head on. Then go deeper to see what's behind them. Reminds me of Carl Yung...the stairway leading down-- deeper into your subconsious...the realm where we all live.
          If I remember her name, I will post it..because she must be on you tube.

          Another one I like for her message?  Joyce something....a tv preacher. (dang my memory!)

  18. skyfire profile image72
    skyfireposted 4 years ago

    I'm starting to doubt if there is any IQ in these type of conspiracy thinkers. I am happy that i'm not in her neighborhood. lol

    1. lone77star profile image90
      lone77starposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Would normalcy bias suit you better? If the Jews who stayed behind in Nazi Germany had been willing to listen to "conspiracy theories" about Hitler, they might have survived, instead of falling victim to the Holocaust.

      Looking for patterns is a good thing. Scientists do it all the time. Not all patterns are meaningful, but judging someone's IQ doesn't help. It's possible that there is nothing to what they say, but then again, it's possible that those who are pretending to listen merely don't understand. It takes humility to make new discoveries.

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Wow, well said!

      2. skyfire profile image72
        skyfireposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I am not going to be hard on you for that, Claire. I am from a country where TV series directors choose to use k word in every series title because of numerologists. People here plan kids based on their film star or sports stars birthday. Good things/events scheduled based on lunar cycle. Astrologers here dont know the gravity and rotation of planets but they know which one is more or less powerful in sunsign. So you see, i'm not surprised  with your theories. But what you're doing is falling in borderline paranoia. Enjoy it till you realize this type of thinking is yet another conspiracy meta-trolling. I'll just have my lol moments.

        1. vector7 profile image60
          vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry I'm late.

          You are gullible if you think everything pointed out is 'theories'..

          People have videos of the stuff man.

          Two plus two is four..

          Well unless you deny mathatics as just a theory in which case it's just two twos right?

  19. satan666 profile image61
    satan666posted 4 years ago

    I set a Google alert for my name and what do I find but y'alls talking up a storm about me! You know I save a place in Hell for all of y'alls.  Especially my homegirl Claire, she my biggest fan! Girl, you know you my favorite!

  20. lone77star profile image90
    lone77starposted 4 years ago

    Clair, I don't doubt that some or possibly all world leaders are worshiping "Mammon" or "Satan" or "ego."

    I suspect that they like to use symbols (five-pointed and six-pointed stars, pentagrams, "11," "33" and others), because they are basing their "power" upon the realm of "continuity" (physical reality).

    But I wouldn't say that the use of a five-pointed star is "proof" of Satan worship. Also "satan," as originally used in the Bible, merely meant "opposer." One of these "satans" worked for God and opposed Balaam on his way to work against Moses.

    Sometimes asking bold questions can be more powerful than making equally bold statements.

    Do the bad guys really use symbols and signs to strengthen their position? I saw a recent YouTube video which included a rather interesting screen shot from the 1999 movie, "Matrix." It showed Thomas Anderson's (Neo's) passport with an expiration date of 9/11/2001! Interesting choice of expiration dates -- nearly two-and-a-half years in the future from the movie's release date.

    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6436380.gif

    Would someone who knew of the coming disaster have purposefully planted a sign of it in a blockbuster movie? The clip which includes this tidbit was on the screen for only half a second and upside down! It would take a "conspiracy nut" to track this down. (Just call me nuts!)

    New Agers, occultists, bankers and New World Order fans depend on the continuity of the physical world. They depend upon incantations and interest tables. Having millions of people admire a movie which contains a symbol of their coming greed (9/11) is a powerful incantation. The fact that it gains unwitting participation from its audience makes it all the more sinister and powerful, at least perhaps in their eyes.

    In the last interview the late Aaron Russo gave to Alex Jones (~2006), Mr. Russo revealed that Nick Rockefeller had told him in late 2000 about an upcoming event which would allow them (the Rockefeller family and their friends) to take over Iraq and Afghanistan. This was eleven months before 9/11. In one YouTube video, I learned from a demolitions expert how the three buildings in New York could not have come down without precisely timed destruction of each key support. The airplane was merely a diversion. Another YouTube video showing an interview in Danish of a Danish scientist (with English subtitles) reveals that there was nano-thermite in the dust of 9/11. This substance burns super-hot and is perfect for cutting through steel beams. By the amount of unspent nano-thermite found in the 9/11 dust, the scientist estimates that the original quantity would've been between 10-100 tonnes! And this is a highly rare, dangerous and manufactured substance.

    So, yes. Someone in high places in American politics and finance knew about 9/11 long before it happened. They knew the exact date, if the "Matrix" movie is any indication. And they are planning, as Aaron Russo put it, to have us all microchipped, without which all buying and selling would become impossible. And God knew about this over 2000 years ago. See Revelation 13 and the number of the beast.

    1. lovemychris profile image80
      lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Apprently, there is a new movie coming out about the 2012 Olympics too....depicting the mass murder of thousands of people....

      I read somewhere once that the "rules of the game" are that you have to "get permission" before you perpetrate something on the people of the world...
      So they put out little news items. Or movies. Or music-- that states their intentions.
      In this way, they have "permission" to "do what thou wilt".

      The Bible....hello! The story of our destruction? Or clues for us to stop it?
      Plenty things make you go Hmmmmm.

      1. vector7 profile image60
        vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Well over plenty.

        Hmmm indeed.

  21. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 4 years ago

    Look at this:

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=11933
    Notice the hand-shake too?

    and what Claire posted:

    "Throughout the last 2,000 years this symbol has designated hatred of Christians. Nero, who despised Christians, crucified the Apostle Peter on a cross head downward. This hideous event resembled the Teutonic cross and became a popular pagan insignia of the day. Thereafter, this sign became known as the 'Neronic cross.'

    Lady Gaga has this inverted cross in 2 of her videos...that I know of. "Bad Romance", and "Alejandro"...which is total blasphemy. And I'm not even Catholic!
    But--this inverted cross symbol is placed where? On her crotch.

    Then just yesterday, JLo's new video comes out. What is depicted? An orgy.
    Pretty blatant if you ask me. Madonna: her "Girls Gone Wild" video...men, bare-chested, but wearing black stockings and high-heeled shoes. MDNA...really? Madonna's going to direct our DNA?

    Either it's a huge hoax, or they are coming right out and showing their allegiance. And everyone acts like it's normal...

    Symbols rule the world, I agree with you Claire.

    1. Disappearinghead profile image88
      Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      That link, what a load of old nonsense. Ooh watch out people, if you wear red and black together, you suck satan's toes.

      1. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        google "masonic handshake"...just for kicks.

        1. Disappearinghead profile image88
          Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Why?

          1. vector7 profile image60
            vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Because they are weird little secret handshake people that lie in front of cameras because people go "ooh watch out people.." and lie about everything they do with people covering their tracks because "that's so like, ugh, impossible.."

            "Our government is untouchable, non-corrupt, and they believe in truth!"

            Ok.. sure.. that statement should make it obvious.

            What's the opposite of that anyway?

            Oh yeah....

  22. mischeviousme profile image60
    mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago

    Our leaders worship a concept... A foolish concept, created by fools, for fools.

  23. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 4 years ago

    Christian Nation?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pcFYEJnLtQ

    Isn't money known as Mammon? Can't worship both mammon and god wink

  24. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 4 years ago

    Correction: "Mammon is a personification of greed."

    1. mischeviousme profile image60
      mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Greed has more to do with gain than just mere money....

  25. Eric Newland profile image61
    Eric Newlandposted 4 years ago

    Personally, I think we should be spending our time searching for God in the world rather than looking for signs of the devil.

    "Seek and you shall find," remember? Why are you seeking Satan?

    1. Disappearinghead profile image88
      Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Exactly. The world doesn't need another Don Quixote looking for evil wherever they can find it. It serves no purpose.

    2. vector7 profile image60
      vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      She didn't (or isn't). [Not attempting to pick sides, but I relate]

      It's no different than Jesus telling the Pharisees and Scribes they were of their father the devil because they said Christ was a liar. They tried to hide their evil thoughts, but more than once Jesus spoke the truth about someone's hidden intentions.

      She has had experiences that lead her to see something needing to be revealed, not hidden or left to fester and infect things worse without letting 'someone' who needs to know and is willing to look.


      Much of what she posts is verified in scripture, and it corresponds with Biblical predictions.

      Jesus said when the fig tree's branches turn green and tender you know spring is near.

      The earth is the tree, and Claire is just telling something that Jesus wants told.

      At least from what I know of her she seeks Christ and serves Him.

      And it's not easy being in her shoes either. I know that for certain.

      1. paxwill profile image81
        paxwillposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        "And it's not easy being in her shoes either"

        I think most people would agree with that.

        1. vector7 profile image60
          vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Elaborate?

          Hiding behind everyone else isn't genuine.

          What's your point paxwill?

          I want your take, not 'most people' s .

          Claire speaks for herself.

          So what is it you agree with and why?

          smile

  26. jacharless profile image80
    jacharlessposted 4 years ago

    Joyce Meyer - "Battlefield Of The Mind".

    1. Disappearinghead profile image88
      Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Joyce Meyer. Mmm there's a shallow one.

      1. jacharless profile image80
        jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Was responding to a post regarding the Joyce televangelist.
        Only one I know of is Joyce Meyer.

        1. lovemychris profile image80
          lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yes--I like her a lot. Her message resonates with me.

  27. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 4 years ago

    "The September 11 attacks killed 3000 people, the ensuing 'War' on terror has killed 1.5 million Iraqi and Afghani children."

    Yeah, I can see how muslims profited from 9/11.....snark.

    Lot of American soldiers killed too......but SOME people got mighty rich.(short-selling the day before) And some people got many enemies killed, and have their enemies looked on with suspicion throughout the world.

    Conspiracy, or plan?

    1. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It's a conspiracy. 

      I personally find it rather amusing when some people call believers deluded yet believe Al Qaeda was behind 9-11 with no evidence to back it up.

      As they say, follow the money trail.  President Bush's company Carlyse Group got mighty rich from the Iraq invasion in 2003. 

      What did Osama get? Nothing.  He was stone cold in his grave.

      1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
        DoubleScorpionposted 4 years ago in reply to this



        Slightly confused on your points here...
        Al Qaeda claimed responsiblity. So even if they didn't do it, they still took credit for it.
        And Osama wasn't dead in 2003...He was killed Spring of 2011.

        Personally, Other than the actual terrorists on the plane, I don't know for positive sure nor do I pretend to know for positive sure , who was behind the attacked of 9/11. They happened. A group claimed responsiblity. That group is held accountable.

        1. Claire Evans profile image90
          Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Where's your evidence that they claimed responsibility?

          CNN article in which bin Laden denied involvement in 9-11:

          "Islamic militant leader Osama bin Laden, the man the United States considers the prime suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, denied any role Sunday in the actions believed to have killed thousands.

          In a statement issued to the Arabic satellite channel Al Jazeera, based in Qatar, bin Laden said, "The U.S. government has consistently blamed me for being behind every occasion its enemies attack it.

          "I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said."

          http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/us/i … r?_s=PM:US

          Up until last year, Osama was never wanted for 9-11.  Here is his description of the FBI's most wanted list:


          "USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD."

          I had the "wanted poster" for quite some time but it has been removed now that he has been declared deceased.

          Rex Tom, FBI Director of Investigative Publictiy stated in this regard that

          “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice then decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.”

          http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? … p;aid=3246

          As for Osama's death.  He was known to have suffered from kidney failure.  He needed dialysis to survive.  That was a result of Marfan syndrome that he had.  He was dying in July 2001 and was visited by the CIA in a Dubai hospital.

          http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/no … .terrorism

          The thought of Osama living in caves in Afghanistan with a dialysis machine makes me laugh.

          Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, said Osama died in April 2002

          http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-gove … -flag.html

          And, of course, the situation room photo of Obama and Hilary and others looking at live footage of Osama's "assassination", where Hilary dramatically put her hand over her mouth, has been revealed to be staged.


          http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6449657_f248.jpg

          "Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, revealed there was a 25 minute blackout during which the live feed from cameras mounted on the helmets of the US special forces was cut off.
          A photograph released by the White House appeared to show President Barack Obama and his aides in the situation room watching the action as it unfolded. In fact they had little knowledge of what was happening in the compound.
          In an interview with PBS, Mr Panetta said: "Once those teams went into the compound I can tell you that there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes where we really didn't know just exactly what was going on. And there were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information."

          Absolute fail.

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … pound.html

          Worse still, the Pentagon had to concede it has no record of Osama's "assassination".

          Richard Lardner reports for the Minneapolis Star Tribune, March 15, 2012:

          Government officials have openly discussed details of the mission [to kill Osama bin Laden] in speeches, interviews and television appearances, but the administration won’t disclose records that would confirm their narrative of that fateful night. The Associated Press asked for files about the raid in more than 20 separate [FOIA] requests, mostly submitted the day after bin Laden’s death.

          The Pentagon told the AP this month it could not locate any photographs or video taken during the raid or showing bin Laden’s body. It also said it could not find any images of bin Laden’s body on the Navy aircraft carrier where the al-Qaida leader’s body was taken.

          The Pentagon said it could not find any death certificate, autopsy report or results of DNA identification tests for bin Laden, or any pre-raid materials discussing how the government planned to dispose of bin Laden’s body if he were killed.

          It said it searched files at the Pentagon, U.S. Special Operations Command in Tampa, Fla., and the Navy command in San Diego that controls the USS Carl Vinson, the aircraft carrier used in the mission.

          The Defense Department told the AP in late February it could not find any emails about the bin Laden mission or his “Geronimo” code name that were sent or received in the year before the raid by William McRaven, the three-star admiral at the Joint Special Operations Command who organized and oversaw the mission. It also could not find any emails from other senior officers who would have been involved in the mission’s planning.
          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

          http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/ … ens-death/

          As for the hijackers, it has seriously come into question if those hijackers ever existed at all.  Five of them popped up alive.

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1559151.stm

          And there were no Arab names on the passengers lists.

          http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evid … ngers.html


          Everything is just one big lie.

          1. DoubleScorpion profile image86
            DoubleScorpionposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Here are a few sources:

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar … 4Nov1.html

            http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/bin … 29-04.html

            http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html


            Here's is an interesting piece as well:

            http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Responsibility

            And a different view from another Christian:

            http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/al-qa … cy-theory/


            Just like everything else...There is always two sides to every story...


            By the way...Al Quada is more than just Arabs...

            1. Claire Evans profile image90
              Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Lol, this is funny.

              Now the reason why the FBI says there is no evidence linking Bin Laden to 9-11, which you conveniently ignored, is because the CIA has been busted for faking those videos.


              During planning for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the CIA's Iraq Operations Group kicked around a number of ideas for discrediting Saddam Hussein in the eyes of his people.

              One was to create a video purporting to show the Iraqi dictator having sex with a teenage boy, according to two former CIA officials familiar with the project.

              “It would look like it was taken by a hidden camera,” said one of the former officials. “Very grainy, like it was a secret videotaping of a sex session.”

              The idea was to then “flood Iraq with the videos,” the former official said.

              Another idea was to interrupt Iraqi television programming with a fake special news bulletin. An actor playing Hussein would announce that he was stepping down in favor of his (much-reviled) son Uday.

              “I’m sure you will throw your support behind His Excellency Uday,” the fake Hussein would intone.

              The spy agency’s Office of Technical Services collaborated on the ideas, which also included inserting fake “crawls” -- messages at the bottom of the screen -- into Iraqi newscasts.

              The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said.

              Eventually, “things ground to a halt,” the other former officer said, because no one could come to agreement on the projects.

              http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk … _to_d.html

              A leading expert on Osama Bin Laden has officially gone on the record saying that he believes the so called "9/11 Confession" tape, released shortly after the attacks, is an outright fake that has been used by US intelligence agencies to deflect attention from “conspiracy theories” about 9/11.

              Professor Bruce Lawrence, head of Duke University’s Religious Studies program, joined Kevin Barrett last Friday on his radio show (gcnlive.com, 2/16/2007, first hour) in his first public interview since comments he made last year indicating that he believes Bin Laden may be dead and that many of the newer tapes are either fake or consist of old audio and video.

              The "Confession" video, played ad infinitum in the wake of the attack on Afghanistan in December 2001, was magically found in a house in Jalalabad after anti-Taliban forces moved in. It featured a fat Osama laughing and joking about how he'd carried out 9/11. The video was also mistranslated in order to manipulate viewer opinion and featured "Bin Laden" praising two of the hijackers, only he got their names wrong.

              This Osama also uses the wrong hand to write with and wears gold rings, a practice totally in opposition to the Muslim faith.

              http://www.infowars.net/articles/februa … a_tape.htm

              http://www.prisonplanet.com/epic-fail-t … tapes.html

              First we have the FBI saying there is no evidence, he was never on the FBI's most wanted, they faked Osama's death and now I am expected to believe your poor links?


              "By the way...Al Quada is more than just Arabs..."

              All of the alleged 19 hijackers on the list were Arab.  Look at the pictures.

      2. lovemychris profile image80
        lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        "We live under a secret government of psychopaths. And as CS Lewis famously said, the devil’s best trick is to convince you he doesn’t exist.

        The first step towards ending the pathocracy is recognizing its existence."

        http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/04/09 … -a-secret/

  28. rebekahELLE profile image92
    rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago

    dang, I'm always amazed at the lengths people will go to try and prove something is true or false. Do you spend all of your time trying to find this stuff?

  29. Druid Dude profile image60
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    There are 3 billion Christians, Jews and Muslims. There are 3 billion Chinese. The stage is set for the Four Horsemen. LET THE GAMES BEGIN!

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    erickcbposted 4 years ago

    CLAIRE EVANS: There is no point in trying to push your beliefs on others. I have been there at the exact spot in the road where you are at. I am going to say from my own experience, own observation, that you are correct in what you say about the occult side to politics. It simply takes one to take the first steps to consider it. The simple "what-if." In that honest search the truth becomes self evident. This is how it has always been throughout time. The truth is always the light which guides the seeker down a certain path. BUT, You are forgetting however, that the path is for YOU to travel ALONE. You can not, and should not, try to force your ideas upon those who have not made the choice themselves to venture into the unknown. The parable of Jesus on the cross, is that the messenger is ALWAYS ALWAYS crucified by the mob. I am not religious, I am just using a reference that you will understand fully based off of your own beliefs. You are right in that you wish to open others eyes to the danger surrounding us all, and that is true humanity, which I respect deeply. But also remember, Jesus said, I have come for my lost sheep. That means he is looking for those who are also looking for him. He did not come to save everyone and you would do well to learn from those lessons. He never tried to force the truth on anyone which goes to shows my point here on this forum. Use your truths, find your own way. Do not fight with the mob, they will ALWAYS crucify you because their numbers are far greater than you. Keep searching. You will come to full realization of what evil is really here and it is not of the name Satan.

    1. Druid Dude profile image60
      Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      MAN

    2. tussin profile image60
      tussinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Claire's argument is equivalent to stating that everyone who wears a red shirt is a communist because red symbolizes communism.  Her entire argument is based on the false premises that (a) a symbol can only have one meaning and that (b) the meaning(s) of a symbol cannot change over time.

      The simple fact of the matter is that the star symbol (right side up or upside down) is more often used as a decorative motif in this day and age than as an occult symbol.

      Everything that Claire has written on Hubpages--forum posts and hubs alike--indicate that she views nearly EVERYTHING as an occult/New World Order/New Ager/Freemason conspiracy, not just a few politcal symbols.

      I'm not convinced that Claire isn't a super troll or a sociology student doing an experiment.   It's hard to believe that someone this paranoid actually exists.

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Claire's argument is equivalent to stating that everyone who wears a red shirt is a communist because red symbolizes communism.  Her entire argument is based on the false premises that (a) a symbol can only have one meaning and that (b) the meaning(s) of a symbol cannot change over time.

        The simple fact of the matter is that the star symbol (right side up or upside down) is more often used as a decorative motif in this day and age than as an occult symbol.

        Everything that Claire has written on Hubpages--forum posts and hubs alike--indicate that she views nearly EVERYTHING as an occult/New World Order/New Ager/Freemason conspiracy, not just a few politcal symbols.

        I'm not convinced that Claire isn't a super troll or a sociology student doing an experiment.   It's hard to believe that someone this paranoid actually exists.

        I actually look at what the symbol originally represented not what it becomes to mean later.  For example, the star comes from Ishtar, a moon goddess.  Moon god and goddesses are actually Satan.  Artemis is another moon goddess.  She is the devil as well. 

        Acts 19:35

        "...Ephesus is the guardian of the temple of the great Artemis and of her image, which fell from heaven?"

        Jesus said He saw Satan fall like lightening from heaven.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtkU6P0J … re=related

        Anyway, it is universally known that the upside down star represents Satanism.    This is the first thing one thinks of when viewing the symbol.  Surely you should know that?  This is so logical that it was even on the news. 

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB8DTd5Di3E

        Having said all this, why would this upside down star be chosen to represent the Campaign 2012?  Because it looks pretty? Do you think it looks pretty in the streets of Washington, too?

        We can entertain the notion that it means something else since symbols evolve.  America is represented with 50 upright stars.  We know that anything represented upside, like the crucifix, is the antithesis of what is upright.  Does the upside down star mean that the elections are anti-American? A betrayal of the Americans?

        What do you think?!

        And thanks for visiting my hubs!

      2. gmwilliams profile image85
        gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        +++++ .

  31. gmwilliams profile image85
    gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago

    Hi, you are NOW in another dimension
                  You think that things are REAL
                But it exists ONLY in your imagination
                 However, you refuse to believe THIS
              You still maintain that these things are REAL
                       Your MIND knows better but
                    You are not LISTENING at all........
                 Oh no, something is lurking OUT THERE
                               R-E-A-L-L-Y
                                 Duh, NO!

  32. 0
    Rad Manposted 4 years ago

    I'm so confused. I thought it was a star, you know like on the flag. How stupid of me, linch'm all.

  33. gmwilliams profile image85
    gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago

    This reminds one of conspiracy radio host Alex Jones and his show on Bohemian Grove.  According to him, the Bohemian Grove is an elitist club where politicians, head of states, and other powerful people congregate to indulge in "nefarious rites."    Oh come on, this alleged Bohemian Grove premise is quite preposterous indeed.   This idea that heads of state worship "Satan" (really now), come on.  There are just some premises that are well.....quite laughable to say the least.

    1. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, preposterous? So you think there is nothing sick about sacrificing human effigies to Lillith, the Satanic owl, and having "conversations" with Satan played back on tape?

      It's only laughable because you don't want to believe it or are so brain-washed that you can't think outside your programmed mind.

      1. gmwilliams profile image85
        gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        There are some DSM manuals for you to read regarding your proposed premise.  You are really serious about this!

        1. Claire Evans profile image90
          Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I'm just reporting on what I've seen.


          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hszzdj0K … re=related

    2. lovemychris profile image80
      lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Read Cathy O'Brien, TranceFormation of America.
      ...you can google it. The whole book may even be on the internet. Bohemian Grove is mentioned.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCDs9Vs2iYM

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Heard it's a really good book.

  34. tammybarnette profile image62
    tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago

    Claire, have you heard about the illuminate.If not google the name, it's a real eye opener.You are right on the money and it's much worse than you could ever imagine, but it's all been written in Revelations so at least we know how the story ends:)People are blind and it's sad. Good for you for trying:)

    1. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Thank you, Tammy! I have researched the Illuminati extensively and am horrified just how far along their plan is.

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    jomineposted 4 years ago
  36. Eaglekiwi profile image76
    Eaglekiwiposted 4 years ago

    If that's the proof

    Whats the solution? seriously is it do able?

    Well, the reality is 2,000 years ago Jesus asked the question?

    "Who do you say I am" and its still the same question ,irregardless of symbols.



    p.s

    I once visited a very old temple ,a grand old Cathedral (Anglican) I think, but was most interested in the pattern of swastika's decorating the base boards.

    Couldn't find anyone to ask about that pattern,but clearly someone used it before Hitler did.

    Anyone else shed any light on the subject?

    1. lovemychris profile image80
      lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I learned of this in an Art class!
      That symbol was a positive symbol, during the Goddess cultures. Much positive energy associated with it. Hitler and the Nazi's--who were very much into the occult and symbology-- reversed the direction of it, and made it a symbol of negativity.

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Obviously it represents the sun but sun worship is also serpent worship, which as that suggests, is just another form of devil worship.

        1. Jewels profile image80
          Jewelsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          That is incorrect. Saying 'obviously' is an assumptive response. The Sun was the original pagan symbol for what is now known as Christ Consciousness.  Pagan religion predates Christianity and it is from Ancient Egyptian and pagan religions and sanskrit texts at large that Christianity takes much of it's teachings.  There are many similarities in interpretations between sanskrit texts and biblical texts. 

          You are in large discussing the Illuminati which should not be confused with ancient Egyptian and sanskrit knowledge.

          Sun worship has never been confused with devil worship as the Sun was synonymous with Christ Consciousness, it fundamentally equates to the state Jesus attained through his spiritual practices.  Jesus the man became Jesus Christ - he obtained the state known as Christ Consciousness. 

          You may be interested to know that it is the aspiration of many serious meditators of different traditions to also achieve this high state of consciousness.  I am aware in your hub that you regard meditation as a form of new age nonsense.  You may not be aware that it is a Christian practice to meditate.  Those who are serious Christians doing full time spiritual practices in monasteries around the world do in fact meditate.  Many go through what is known as the dark night of the soul, a state spoken about by John of the Cross.

          By the way the new age movement began in the 1800's and not in 1960.  Madam Blavatsky was one of the tear aways who is 'credited' with much of the movement, or change in knowledge through different forms of practice.  Up until then Western Esoteric knowledge was quite conformist.

          There is much occult knowledge that filters through the Catholic Church.  But Alchemy has many arms most of which is unfathomable unless it is experienced personally.  As with most religious teachings, the knowledge is lost because it is not applied to a personal journey of spiritual growth.

          1. lovemychris profile image80
            lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I read a book once, by a famous psychic...from the 1950's-60's. She used to work with Nancy Reagan, was friends with Jimmy Carter, and was said to have converted the publisher of Hustler magazine on an airplane ride, when they sat next to each other....cannot for the life of me remember her name.

            Anyway, she had a vision in which she saw Jesus "marrying" Isis in a ceremony in Egypt.

            And she was a Christian and proud of it.

            which also remind me of the work: 'Pistis Sophia', in which it is claimed that a male god created earth, but without his consort...the female.

            We need to integrate the 2 to be whole. That is the meaning of the age of aquarius,imo. Return of the Goddess.

            Christ Consciousness: Love

            1. Jewels profile image80
              Jewelsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              CC : love.  Absolutely.  It is actually a state of being.  It is an experience and one which is difficult to hold onto.  99.999999% of the population will never understand it because it is only attained by stillness, a silenced mind and years of practice.  Knowledge of it is merely intellectual.  You have to align to it to experience it.

              Love as we humans experience it is a very very watered down version.

          2. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

             

            Well, not really.  I researched it so it wasn't a knee jerk reaction.  The sun represents the serpent.  Sun worship is serpent worship:

            The book The Two Babylons stated that the worship of the serpent was always universally associated with the sun. Quoting Rev. A. Hislop: "Along with the sun, as the great fire-god, and, in due time, identified with him, was the serpent worshipped. … In the mythology of the primitive world… the serpent is universally the symbol of the sun. "In Egypt, one of the commonest symbols of the sun, or sun-god, is a disc with a serpent around it (p. 227)."

            Rev. A. Hislop goes on to show how the ancients associated the snake with the sun. "The original reason of that identification seems just to have been that, as the sun was the great enlightener of the physical world, so the serpent was held to have been the great enlightener of the spiritual, by giving mankind the "knowledge of good and evil." (p. 227)"

            The word Baal means "master" or "owner". In ancient religions the name denoted sun, lord or god. Baal was common a name of small Syrian and Persian deities. Baal is still principally thought of as a Canaanite fertility deity. The Great Baal was of Canaan. He was the son of El, the high god of Canaan. The cult of Baal celebrated annually his death and resurrection as a part of the Canaanite fertility rituals. These ceremonies often included human sacrifice and temple prostitution.

            http://www.pantheon.org/articles/b/baal.html

            The sun is worshiped in Freemasonry that is a Luciferian organization; Lucifer and the sun being the same.

            As one Luciferian book, Magic Symbols says, "Without doubt, the circle is the most important of all units in magic symbolism, and in almost every case where it is used, the circle is intended to denote spirit, or spiritual forces." [p. 16]  Masonic author, J.S.M. Ward, states that the "circle represents God". [Freemasonry and the Ancient Gods; also stated by Masonic author, George Oliver, Symbol of Glory Shewing the Object and End of Freemasonry , 1855, p. 162]  Within all areas of the occult, and in Masonry, you see symbols surrounded by circles, and you see serpents devouring their tail, making a circle; in fact, you see circles everywhere.


            Freemasons view the circle as the Sun, and utilize it in their worship of the Sun, and the Sun God, Osiris [The Masonic Quiz Book , p. 163].

            Shiva is the devil and this is what New Ager Alice Bailey wrote:

            Alice Bailey, with her Demon Master -- Master D.K. -- writing through her, stated that "Shamballa is the mythological place where the 'Lord of the World', Sanat Kumara, or Shiva , is supposed to live." [Discipleship in the New Age Lucis/Lucifer Publishing, 1955, 135-36].

            Christianity has nothing to do with paganism - until 300 years later, thanks to the Catholic church.



            The Illuminati, made mostly of Freemasons, is based on the ancient mysteries, i.e, Egyptian and Babylonian mysteries.

            Albert Pike in Morals & Dogma, that "Masonry is identical to  the ancient Mysteries "



            No.  Christ consciousness is man's quest to become Christ, which is blasphemy.  New Agers tend to purge Christians of this planet.  Violently I might add.



            Christians can be deceived, too, you know.  Meditation is New Age.  I can't believe the nonsense Satan feeds people.



            New Age is as old as the hills.  It just denotes the coming of the age of Aquarius.

            1. Jewels profile image80
              Jewelsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I'm sure the Hindu's would laugh you to Hades for what you stated in this last post. What you regard as blaspheme proves your lack of broadmindedness and willingness to learn and understand.  Claire, this is my last post in this topic.  You are researching but reading a lot of nonsense.  One day you may realize this, especially when you come to see context.  I also wish you well with your illness.   

              Take care smile

              1. Claire Evans profile image90
                Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                But would exactly do you dispute and why? Let's put it this way.  Do you believe you can become a Christ? Be on par with Jesus? Do you believe you can, too, become God?

                Why is it that when I post some really good information we can discuss, people go, "Oh, this is my last post, ha, ha."

                It's like they are getting uncomfortable or something. 

                You don't think for one moment that whatever you've learnt is just pure deception? Why can't you be the one to attempt to explain the context?  Is it not disgusting that human sacrifices are associated with sun worship?

    2. Jewels profile image80
      Jewelsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Eaglekiwi, the swastika also had positive symbolism, same with the pentagram.  This link may shed some light on the topic. http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/s … astika.htm

      The symbol was around a loooong time before Hitler was born.  The unfortunate  use of it has tainted it's meaning.  Hitler in his own psychotic mind felt what he was doing was purifying the world - idiot!  As such his use of the symbol, in his twisted mind, was in a positive light.  Of course history shows it was not.

      This is in essence what happens with the Ahrimanic forces.  Memes are essentially groups of people influenced by a set of forces.  Forces are in the form of ideals, policy, rules, regulations and known or familiar actions.  They are in most cases subliminal to those embroiled in the meme, ie people within a meme have no idea they are in one.  As with most Germans at the time, they were aligning to Hitler because of his public relations abilities (as we see it, it is fear mongering).  They saw it as aligning to someone's ideals and made them there own.  They would have seen the swastika as a good symbol.  And of course because of the atrocities now the swastika is associated with evil even though it's meaning is for good.

      The term meme is not negative.  It is when people are within one and don't see the persuasiveness and lack of individual thought.  They don't see how their upbringing determined their knowledge and subsequent viewpoint.

      So the term evil has naught to do with the symbol, it is to do with the actions of humans.

  37. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 4 years ago

    Howdy Jewels  ...    It has been a practice that when we don;t agree with something but we can not dispute it; it is to be ignored.

       There has been a lot of ignoring going on for quite some time.

       I Hear YA.

    1. Jewels profile image80
      Jewelsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Hi Jerami, hope your 2012 is being good to you.

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You know how it is ...  Yes and No.
            life for me is a "lot" better than it could be.

          edit   I was thinkin it but forgot to say it ,,,   back atCha on the well wishes.

  38. neeleshkulkarni profile image60
    neeleshkulkarniposted 4 years ago

    you are absolutely wrong.They do not worship Satan they ARE Satan.

    1. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I agree with you there!

      1. Jewels profile image80
        Jewelsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        There you go............. the actions of humans!  smile

        1. vector7 profile image60
          vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          And we still can't solve our own problems?

          Arlighty guys, since you've solved the riddle I suppose you should be the one's to head the organization to fix it.

          You are, after all, the geniuses here. You found the problem first right?

          smile

    2. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      No, they aren't Satan.  Satan is a separate entity to them.  They aren't omniscient, etc.

  39. vector7 profile image60
    vector7posted 4 years ago

    If after all the zombie-like addiction to 'devil' and 'rebellion' and 'chaos' being so prevelant and apparent and the numerous people from the "demonic" life-style changing and RUNNING for Jesus Christ you STILL think that EVERY ONE OF THEM doesn't know what they are talking about then maybe you should write a note and sign it, and see how much you can get... And maybe it will save your soul in the end because I'll bet.. As I have before to others, you come crying and praying and telling the whole world - JUST LIKE THEY HAVE AND ARE - that it is all real.

    But hey.. If you're that brave and think whatever is beyond unknown isn't important enough to consider or that it can't hurt you..

    Well go on with your bad self then.. Walk it tall, talk strong, and bad mouth every person who tells you evil exists.. until you see it yourself [as I have]...

    Or until you die [as we all soon will]...


    smile

  40. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 4 years ago

    "The word Baal means "master" or "owner". In ancient religions the name denoted sun, lord or god. Baal was common a name of small Syrian and Persian deities. Baal is still principally thought of as a Canaanite fertility deity. The Great Baal was of Canaan. He was the son of El, the high god of Canaan. The cult of Baal celebrated annually his death and resurrection as a part of the Canaanite fertility rituals. These ceremonies often included human sacrifice and temple prostitution."

    I wonder if you see the similaritites here? Celebrating death and resurrection....Human sacrifice.....prostitution.......all these are part of Jesus story too.

    And since you mentioned El, what do you think of Israel....Isis/Ra/El?

    1. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Baal is a vegetation god and so the "death" and resurrection" represents the crop cycles.  It's not meant to be taken literally. 

      There's a difference between offering up a human being for a sacrifice to the gods and laying down your life for mankind like Jesus did. 

      It's a bit far-fetched to think that Jesus forgiving the prostitute has got anything to do with temple prostitution.

      I've heard of this claim that Israel is "Isis-ra-el".  That is just plain false.  Israel is the Greek word for the Hebrew word of Yisrael.  It means, "He has striven with God", or "He has been saved by God" or "He who has struggled with God".

      It's not exactly certain what it means but those alternatives are the most likely,.

      1. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
        Jesus was a hippyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You seem to spend a hell of a lot of time reading in to things that people claim whout any evidence.

        I personally tend to ignore people who make claims that they cannot provide any evidence for. Maybe you shouldnt take so much notice of them. You seem to be rather caught up in their nonsense.

        1. Claire Evans profile image90
          Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Well, what exactly is the nonsense? It's a fact that Baal is a vegetation god, etc. Anyway, I like debating so nonsense is needed to be refuted.

          smile

          1. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
            Jesus was a hippyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            It is a fact that someone CLAIMS that Baal is a vegetation god. Any evidence for such a god is non existant.

            1. Claire Evans profile image90
              Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Maybe you should entertain the idea that you just haven't come across the evidence and not that there isn't any.

              1. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
                Jesus was a hippyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Ok I shall embrace your suggestion as I made a positive claim that I could not back up and I shouldn't have.

                I would like to see this evidence you have of this gods existence.

                1. Claire Evans profile image90
                  Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Ok I shall embrace your suggestion as I made a positive claim that I could not back up and I shouldn't have.

                  I would like to see this evidence you have of this gods existence.

                  Well, that is evidence that cannot be given over the Internet.  I think you should know that.  What can be proven is that the world worships this creature.  Why? I could never waste my time worshiping an imaginary god. What is in it for these world powers that they have to obey his every word? These aren't people who are just in a psych ward.  These are our world leaders and I would want to know what motivates their beliefs.    What's Lillith to them and why would the American Elite gather together annually to pay homage to this creature? I can't fathom their mind sets performing mock sacrifices to a giant stone owl.

                  I think you should realize something is not right.  Something is so wrong that it is impossible to dismiss the idea of Satan completely.

                  Forgive me if I have posted this already to you.  I don't know what I've posted to whom anymore.  I'd like your commentary.

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hszzdj0K … re=related

                  The "conversation" the priest is having on the recorded tape is with Satan, him jeering them.  I've been told I'm crazy but this is an entirely new level of craziness!

                  In case you are wondering why "The Cremation of Care" means, it means the killing of the conscience so that people can commit evil without thought.

                  I thought of something when you asked me for evidence.  A priest performing an exorcism on this girl asked the very same question:

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YatVCMhwsnA

                  Start at about 30 seconds.  I don't think you want to see nuns watering the garden. Lol

  41. baytianna profile image60
    baytiannaposted 4 years ago

    The pentagram is not a satanic symbol. Satanism requires a type of belief in Christianity (at least in so far as a belief in Satan himself). Pentagrams are more traditionally used by pagans who don't have any belief in Satan at all, let alone worship for him. It was attributed to Satanists in an attempt at mass conversion when people were looking for excuses to kill non-Christians, but it should not be attributed to evil or used in this conspiracy theory kind of way.

    1. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      What you don't realize is that Satan goes by many names.  He isn't just Satan.  He is Ra, Osiris, Baal, Artemis, etc.  Pagans don't realize this.  I think there should be some red flags when human sacrifice is required in pagan religions.

      Now, what do you think the upside pentagram means in that Campaign 2012 poster?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The concept of hell or Satan or what ever you want to call him, Is the worst concept Mankind has ever invented in Human history. If no Christian wants to sell me their land for very cheap, in order they do not appear too rich when they meet their maker on Judgement Day 2012.

        If they don't sell me their  land for a cheap price, then I think they lack a great deal of faith that money or Satan is the root of all evil or lack the faith Or lack the faith that Extreme happiness for eternity, exist..

        1. gmwilliams profile image85
          gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          + a multillion times.

        2. Claire Evans profile image90
          Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Sometimes I wonder if I should envy those who have never felt the effects of evil.  Would I be happier if I was ignorant? I don't think I would because fear of the future and putting my faith in the world would cause me to spiral into the pit of depression.  The faith in Jesus Christ casts out all fear. 

          I'm somewhat amused how people just gloss over the question where evil comes from.  What purpose does it serve in the process of evolution?

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            Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Survival of the fittest is what the entire process of evolution is based upon.

            Win a football game and praise God, as if that would be his biggest concern. Not the hungry or prayed upon, but a football game and a football players greed.

            Do something bad and the devil made me do it. What a copout. You did it, don't pass the buck.

            No evil exists in the world. Just random events and misguided people. Even a psychopath, as evil as they seem are nothing more that people with severe brain problems that make them a menace to society.

            1. Claire Evans profile image90
              Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Do you leave in a glass house in the middle of nowhere? How can you say evil doesn't exist?? I suppose sacrificing children, raping them and drinking their blood is just the survival of the fittest.  I suppose dropping bombs on innocent people's houses isn't evil.  Those bombers are just misguided.  Hitler was misguided, too.  I wonder if you say there was no evil if you were facing the gas chambers. 

              Unfortunately, your belief of no evil is not an unique concept.  Some Christians will ask you, "What's evil?"

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                Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                It's not like I don't think there is bad in the world, but evil implies the devil. There simply is no devil. G.W. Bush can be seen as evil from your description, but he was going after the evil doers. He choice of words were carefully picked to rally the troops. If a solder kills because he is told to, he is misguided. Isn't one of the 10 big ones "Thou shall not kill"? It doesn't say unless your ordered to. Why does the middle east hate the USA? We are in there back yard, they aren't in ours, but we didn't like it when they came (911). The USA drops booms too. No Devil, just misguided people.

                1. Claire Evans profile image90
                  Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Bad is evil.  And you sound pretty sure there is no devil.  That's misguided.  In fact, you have absolutely no idea what's going on.  He was going after the evil doers? What are you talking about? Who are the evil doers? If a soldier kills because he is told to either has complete disregard for human life, has psychological problems or is just plain evil.  There are many of the latter.  And you blame Al Qaeda for 9-11, too, I suppose?

                  I can't expect you to even begin to understand devil when you don't even understand this world.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Jesus dose not encourage killing, Christians do, as no other group is better at killing in the name of God than Christians in all of human history. I love christian enough to tell them that,

                    Maybe many christian will switch their ways to greater reasoning for doing anything. For no absolute reason for doing something, is the ultimate evil in the world and killing is the ultimate sin.  Satan did not make you do anyTHING you didn't want to do, please do blame Satan,

                    Why ? Save Satan, for we do not know what we do, For Satan, only exist in the mind, the source of all problems

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                    Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Why is my not believing there is a devil and or God more misguided that you thinking they exist? How arrogant. How do you know I have no idea what's going on? 
                    (Who are the evil doers?)  I have no idea, but GW Bush went after them and told Canada "If your not with us your against us". Turns out Iraq had nothing to do with 911. Who was evil in this situation? Bad people are out there in plan sight, but don't blame the devil, cause there is none. Don't pass the buck, blame the people. Hitler was a bad person, but what is said about the nation that followed him? What is said about a nation that followed Bush?

                    No devil or god, just gullible people.

                    I understand the world and I don't appreciate the insult or your arrogance.

              2. A Troubled Man profile image60
                A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Is that what you observe in your neighborhood often?

                1. Claire Evans profile image90
                  Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I can't tell you how worried I was about you.  Where have you been?

  42. rebekahELLE profile image92
    rebekahELLEposted 4 years ago

      oh my.

  43. baytianna profile image60
    baytiannaposted 4 years ago

    The symbol of Nazism was not a black magic symbol, it was originally a symbol of peace (Hindu, I believe) that he changed the angles on as a sign of "Christian peace for Christians." If Hitler was not Christian, I doubt people would have worked so hard to get baptized and have papers that said they converted early enough not to be faking it, he wouldn't have cared.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Symbols for the simply minded, have we learn much?

      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Hitler simple-minded?

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          High IQ, unbalance by using Religion as a tool for his mental illness which was then labeled afterwards as the Hitler illness called,  Megalomania

          1. baytianna profile image60
            baytiannaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            To be fair, that neithre makes him simple minded or necessarily mentally ill. He was simple in that he was a mouthpiece for more intelligent and ambitious members of the regime who saught him out for his charisma and his ability to make almost anything sound good. Those people likely implemented the symbol. Regardless of whose decision it was, however, taking Christianity (especially but not exclusively) to suit one's own aims is not new. In fact, Nietzsche argued that making people happy to be on the bottom rung of society and forcing them to comply was the original aim of the popularization of the faith by leaders. Making people feel that their goals are justified in the name of faith is not so much simple-minded as one of the most powerful and most often used political tactics of all time. that being said, it is important not to assume that symbols mean what people have corrupted them to mean. Those that originally designed the symbols meant them for other purposes (i.e. swastika for peace, pentagram for protection from evil).

          2. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Sounds like a psychopath? Interestingly enough, psychopaths are not insane.  They are highly manipulatively, clever and cruel.  Or he could have just been possessed by demons.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Satan made him do it.

              How about many Christians group are possessed in killing accounting to my study of World human History

              Just eliminate the Devil from your books and mind, and you will be OK

    2. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Truth is, Baytiana, is that the swastika is a symbol for the sun and sun worship is serpent worship and that is Satanism.  Baal was a sun god.

      That's not to say that Hindus are Satanists.  They just don't know any better.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Their Religion is much older than Christianity and  40,000 years before your Adam and Eve

        I guess all that practice of worshiping animals and nature with spiritual leader like Gandhi never amounted to the righteousness of Christianity, right?  Was it a wrong translation as Son for Sun under God

        Or

        Gandhi and Hitler together arm and arm, yeah, right.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          More like Micky Mouse and Donald Duck walking into the Sunset arm and arm featuring the Disney's Holy lands

        2. Claire Evans profile image90
          Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Lol, what are you talking about? Yes, it's older than Christianity but not older than Adam and Eve! Hindu is 4000 years old, not 40 000.  Wow, not even the most ancient Chinese civilization is that old!



          There's a difference between been deceived and knowing what the practice means.  The interesting common link was that both Gandhi and Hitler were fans of Helena Blavatsky and her Theosophy.

          The point I'm trying to make is that Satan infiltrates every facet of life hiding under the guise of good.  The worse infiltration has been in the Catholic Church.

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            AKA Winstonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Lady, you've got a screw loose.  Thus endeth this debate.

            1. Claire Evans profile image90
              Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks for stopping by!

          2. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Claire Evans

            Many in America believe Columbus discovered America and almost half believe the world is under 10,000 years old. i guess you wouldn't know how Hindus history goes unless you were keenly interested.

            At the world trade show displayed America culture with a lot of Disney's, Holy lands and Hollywood features. I know some wise and  intelligent Americans, too bad too many Americans are lost in Fantasy Wars and fight clubs

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              Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              To be honest, Castlepaloma, I'm skeptical of the 40,000 claim, and I am one of those who is keenly interested. I just finished university in 2009, and made a point of taking all of the courses that I could concerning Indian history. We naturally talked about Hinduism, and my professor -- who was raised a Hindu -- placed Hinduism at about 7,000 years old.

              Where did you get 40,000?

              1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                It's part of my job is studing anicent and nature history and making a few displays in museums world wide. Modern humans evolved maybe 150,000 years ago, perhaps even earlier as 200,000 years ago.  I have been to India a few times and we found that HINDUISM is the oldest living culture in the world and some msytic culture go back 40,000  to 50,000 years ago

                The written langage was only discovered 5000- 6000 years ago anything before this is vague. There are 40,000-year-old cave painting seen on a white silica sandstone rock depicting existence of human civilization is seen in southeast of New Delhi, India These cities housed about 40,000 people who enjoyed quite a high standard of living also
                The once-thriving Hindu community in Afghanistan

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                  Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, I accept that Hinduism is the world's oldest extant culture, but the 40,000 year figure still surprises me. Thank you for the education.

                2. Claire Evans profile image90
                  Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  So the culture is 40 000 but the scriptures are at most 7000 years?

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                    Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    It isn't commonly believed that languages existed in written form until -- at the earliest -- about 8,000 years ago, so this could be correct.

                3. Claire Evans profile image90
                  Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  About 40 000 years ago. man was a Homo sapiens neandertalensis.  Were the Hindus neanderthals? How did they communicate their symbols?

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                    Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Claire, you are showing how little you understand. Modern humans go back 200 000 years. Man was never Neanderthals. Human and Neanderthals co-existed outside Africa until 40 000 years ago and recent DNA results all humans outside africa have Neanderthal DNA. Because modern humans and Neanderthals were able to produce offspring means we have a common ancestor with Neaderthals.

            2. Claire Evans profile image90
              Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You will get a lot of conflicting figures.  So I will cite some of them but none goes as far back as 40 000 years.

              "Vedas (ancient Hindu scriptures - Rig, Yajur and Sam) are quite old.  The oldest among them, Rig Veda might be 7000 years old (5000 BC or earlier).  Note that the ancient Sanskrit meaning of Veda is the accumulated or compiled knowledge, and therefore Vedas also represent the record of early civilization in addition to being Hindu scriptures.

              There is confusion about the beginning of Vedic era. Sometimes it is indicated to be around 1500 BC, but that seems quite late and illogical according to Vedic references and archaeology.

              For example, in several Vedic hymns dedicated to river Sarasvati, she is described to be actually flowing and existent. But in reality river Sarasvati  does not exist anymore, because, according to archaeological research, it dried up and disappeared in north Indian sands several thousand years ago, around 5000 BC (or earlier)."

              http://seva.sulekha.com/blog/post/2006/ … d-them.htm

              Then we have the date 3500 BC

              "Definition: Veda means knowledge, and the Vedas are said to come from Lord Krishna. The Vedas contain knowledge about mundane necessities as well as spirituality essential for Hinduism and its predecessor, Brahmanism. The texts of the Vedas are called Samhitas, and the Vedic prayers are known as Mantras. The Rgveda (Rig Veda), Samaveda, the Yajurveda, and the Atharvaveda are the four books of the Vedas, in chronological order. The Rgveda is thought to have been written, in Sanskrit (as are the others), between 1200 B.C. and 800 or 1500 and 1200, in the Punjab. In contrast: Determining the Age of Saraswat Community, from Archaeology Daily News, says Vedic scholar Dr. NS Rajaram suggests "Such sites [as Kunal and others along the Sarasvati River] are likely to date to 3500 BCE or earlier. These when found are likely to be from the Age of Rigveda."

              http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/indu … 8Vedas.htm

              The Sumerian texts (6000 years old) were written in cuneiform and that is the oldest writing system.  Older than Sanskrit.  So surely the Sumerian Tablets were written before the Vedas, the oldest Hindu writings?

              1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Claire

                Your greatest source of biblical human history according to christian science on record beside the the flintshone documenary is this---

                Made for 27 million dollars in Petersburg, Kentucky USA. The creation/evolution controversy is a debate about science, two views conflicting evolutionary humanism vs. biblical Christianity.

                The Creative Museum is a Museum that presents origins of the Universe, Life, Mankind and man’s early history according to the book of Genesis. Earth and all of its life form were created 6014 years ago an over six-day period. The display shows dinosaurs like they were pets in your backyard. Young earth creationist claims, including the idea that human and dinosaurs coexisted, and the dinosaurs were in the Noah’s Ark along with the likes of T-Rex and all the other animal on the Ark were vegetarians until the boat returned back on land, then the carnivores drop their carrots and lettuce and return back to eating meat.

                1. SomewayOuttaHere profile image60
                  SomewayOuttaHereposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  hola CP!...drove over the rockies recently....had to take the trans can though - the 'nest' was not looking good...will look you up next time i pass through....

                  ...err...sorry for the interrruption

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Kootenay is the tourist route, Tran Can is the save money route besides they did had a few mud slides blocking the Highway

                    Come on by, when you have plenty of time and money on your hands for a pleasure tour, it will be fun to meet a real person from this forum.

                    By the way, I'm building a World record sandsculpture at the new Ramada iNN during the evening between June 21 to Oct 14 everyday in Creston. If you like , I'll give you a free workshop on sandsculpting

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                  Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Perhaps you forgot to mention that all these creatures including thousand of different species of the very large dinosaurs were kept in a boat half the length of a modern day cruise ship? The Amphicoelias fragillimus reached 200 feet in length. Two of those facing each other would be almost as long as the Arc. With just those two animals there wouldn't be room for much more.

                  Common sense people.

                  1. tammybarnette profile image62
                    tammybarnetteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Common Sense? Faith requires a belief in uncommon things, does it not?

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        Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        As I believe I've stated before the swastika is a symbol for many things. Hitler used it as a symbol for " the mission of the struggle for the victory of the Aryan man, and, by the same token, the victory of the idea of creative work." Hitlers own words.
        It may be hard for you to come to terms with someone like Hitler can be Christian so you've invented all kinds of propaganda to make yourself feel better.
        Christians do bad stuff too.
        You seem to be under the spell that any one no Christian is Satanic or ignorant.

        1. Claire Evans profile image90
          Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Hitler could have really shown his Christianity by using a crucifixion.  After all, the Crusaders did it. 

          If I couldn't come to terms with Hitler being a "Christian" and so post all sorts of propaganda to "make myself feel better", I wouldn't post this picture.


          http://s3.hubimg.com/u/6484802.jpg

          or

          In case you are wondering what that means, the all seeing eye is the eye of Lucifer.


          http://s3.hubimg.com/u/6484878_f248.jpg

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            Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Hitler was trying to emulate the Crusaders? I didn't know.

            1. Claire Evans profile image90
              Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You miss the point.  The Crusaders used a cross to represent their Holy War to recapture the Holy Land, Jerusalem, from the Muslims.  Hitler could have used the cross symbol to represent his "Holy War".

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            Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Recognizing and Understanding Delusions

            Some delusions may seem relatively harmless in the short term, such as delu- sions of being a rock star, royalty, or a religious figure. These delusions can be potentially harmful, however, if they include or lead to delusions of having special abilities or characteristics such as flying, walking on water, or invinci- bility. Most common, however, are paranoid delusions: the belief that some- one or something is going to harm the person in some way.
            Paranoid delusions are usually evidenced by extreme suspicion, fear, isola- tion, insomnia (for fear of being harmed while asleep), avoidance of food and/ or medication (for fear of poisoning), and sometimes violent actions. A person experiencing paranoid delusions has extreme difficulty trusting others, will frequently misinterpret others’ words and actions, and experience ordinary things in his or her environment as a threat.

            1. Claire Evans profile image90
              Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              If you want to think I'm deluded, so be it.  You can't blame me for thinking the Catholic Church is Satanic, though, when you see the upside cross in the picture.

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                Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this
                1. vector7 profile image60
                  vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  No you can't Chasuk.. lol, C'mon man.

                  By Jesus' definition they are evil.

                  They like the pharisees prefer the "high seats" to be above others.. no humilty there, which is opposite of pride.. Satan's top notch sin.

                  Prideful people with "authority" between you and God..

                  Ya.. Evil. How much money do you NEED? LOL

                  Greed isn't good.. it's evil.

                  I could keep stackin buddy. Just sayin is all. smile

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                    Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Claire can't necessarily be blamed for believing that the Catholic Church is Satanic, but she can be blamed for providing the Cross of St. Peter as her evidence.

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                  Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  See comment I made to Eric.

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                    Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Oh, that clever Roman Catholic Church!

  44. Uninvited Writer profile image83
    Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago

    Time to stop reading this forum, I've run out of popcorn.

  45. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 4 years ago

    If it has no meaning though.....why put it in a music video of Lady Gaga with an upside-down crucifix on her crotch and swallowing black rosary beads?

    Just innocent imagery? I don't think so.

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      Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Because Lady Gaga's livelihood is partially dependent on her shocking you?

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    Uninvited Writerposted 4 years ago

    I have unfollowed this thread twice yet I still keep getting notifications. Could it be ...Satan?

  47. Eric Newland profile image61
    Eric Newlandposted 4 years ago

    Why do so many people think the Cross of Saint Peter is satanic?

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      Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Good point.

      I was wondering the same thing.

    2. lovemychris profile image80
      lovemychrisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Because crucifying him upside down was an homage to Lucifer.

      As is the Satanic symbology used in popular culture. imo

      1. Eric Newland profile image61
        Eric Newlandposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Crucifying him upside down was in homage to Peter demanding to be crucified upside down because he did not count himself worthy to die in the same way as Christ.

        When people in this day and age try to turn it into a symbol for satanism, quite frankly, the joke's on them.

    3. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I was waiting for someone to ask this.

      Point to scriptures in the Bible that claim Peter was crucified upside down? There is none so the Church made it up to justify their Satanic symbol.

      If Peter was crucified upside down, HE would be upside and not the cross.   I hardly believe that the Romans would give a continental about how Peter wanted to die.

      1. vector7 profile image60
        vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Spot on Claire!

        Last two points. agreed

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          Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Peter was probably not crucified head-down.

          The story seems to come from the apocryphal "Acts of Peter," in which Peter is reported as saying:

          "I beseech you the executioners, crucify me thus, with the head downward."

          An English translation of this apocryphal document is available here:

          http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/t … peter.html

          The quote comes from the last sentence of section XXXVII.

          1. Claire Evans profile image90
            Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Actually, the church tradition goes is that Peter was crucified on an x-shaped cross.

            http://www.gotquestions.org/apostles-die.html

            Also:

            http://www.jrsbible.info/Apostles.htm

            People, upon hearing Peter was crucified upside down, would automatically assume that the cross t-shaped was also upside down not taking into consideration he was crucified upside-down on an x-cross provided the story of his upside crucifixion is true. 

            If he was crucified upside down, it would be to the amusement of the crucifiers and not because they could care about how he wanted to die.

  48. lovemychris profile image80
    lovemychrisposted 4 years ago

    It's no joke.

    Peter may have done it for that reason---but I can assure you Gaga didn't.

    And it's very odd to me how some can believe in God, but not the Devil.

    1. vector7 profile image60
      vector7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, Gaga will gladly take any perversion or disgusting idea and act she can get.

      And your last sentence.. It's odd to me as well.

    2. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Peter allegedly being crucified upside down is mere tradition and not Biblical.  Nowhere in the Bible does it say he was crucified upside down.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I remember they raise the Canadian flag upside down at a worlds series. After that Toronto Blue Jays won two World Series in a row

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          Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Ha, only Canadians were outraged because Americans had never seen the flag to begin with. To bad Toronto can't get another winning professional franchise. Although the Jays are doing Okay so far. Eh?

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            Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            At lease, they were not burning it.

  49. viveresperando profile image80
    viveresperandoposted 4 years ago

    If you tell me your cookie that you are holding in your hand is "special" and filled with luck and then you stomp on a rock on the ground telling me the rock is evil... well do your thing, to me a cookie is just a freaking cookie and I collect rocks, so there. I am also Christian, I have given my heart, soul, and spirit to Christ.   Signs, symbols, and objects, mean different things to different people.  If you want to see evil you will see evil, in a cookie, a star, a rock, even the air you breathe, if you dwell on it enough.  You keep yourself busy with that and... I will continue to find joy, love, happiness, and beauty in the things that are around me.  This is what I choose to dwell on.

  50. ptosis profile image80
    ptosisposted 4 years ago

    I don't fully agree with the satan part but ..... "Corporate and political and religious psychopaths ruin economies. They ruin societies." capitalism at its most ruthless is a manifestation of psychopathy."

    I am currently writing a hub about what's is the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath as a part 2  of my previous hub 'People Users, Abusers & Sociopaths'


    http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6493413_f248.jpg

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      Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      What about the Narcissus? They are fun to be around.

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        erickcbposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Hey Looking forward to your Hub. By any chance have you read Political Ponerology by Andrew Lobaczewski? Very interesting stuff in there.

     
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