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What MAKES you "THINK" you are JUST a physical body with NO spirit ???

  1. Elijah7 profile image60
    Elijah7posted 4 years ago

    This question, ONCE properly answered and understood, will FOREVER change your opinions regarding the Time Honoured Subject of LIFE AFTER DEATH.

    The challenge is for YOU to PROVE you have NO soul, no spirit, and THEREFORE, when you die THAT'S IT - NOTHING afterwards....

    Provide your detailed evidence for the non-existence of your PERSONAL spirit man or woman, living in your body for a Season.

    As a soul ABLE to prove the Opposite of this IS Indeed TRUE (absolutely Gospel), my personal starting Point is HEREWITH below.

    Where exactly is YOURS ?????? ?????? ??????


    †  Genesis 2 : 7 † 

    "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
    and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
    and man became a living soul."


    †  Ecclesiastes 3 : 21

    "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward,
    and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?"


    †  Ecclesiastes 12 : 5 - 7

    "Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high,
    and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish,
    and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail:
    because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:

    Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken,
    or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

    Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
    and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it
    ."


    AMEN


    http://s3.hubimg.com/u/6479470.jpg

    1. Josak profile image60
      Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      As any debater knows it is night impossible to prove a negative, the burden of proof lies on the person who makes the assumption, you assume there is a spirit even though you cannot observe it, I assume nothing because I cannot observe anything, the burden of proof lies on you to prove there is a soul not the other way round.

      1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
        WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Please. I know of no such rule. I'll debate the negative if I can support it. Hello? You don't have to prove anything in a debate, only win it. You are dancing around the fact that the point is mute. Man not only has a spirit. Man is a spirit, who has a body.

        We all have much to learn. Some more than others.

        1. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
          EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You have to prove something exists before you can prove whether or not you have it. You can't prove that the soul or spirit exists, there fore you can't prove whether or not you have it either. The whole subject of this thread is such that it can't be done either way.

          1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
            WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Thanks for explaining it to me.

            http://www.conduitgroup.com.au/_images/storyicons/mad_professor.jpg

        2. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          And, your evidence for that is what?

          1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
            WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            A "Forum Frog" with a big mouth told me.

            https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRykg87_SQj2eR_Rw8CKLCuLbP5whonqd5TZ_SPlXDGb2xoN37aZw

            There were no Hubs, only lonely croaking.  cool

            1. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              So, you have no evidence whatsoever and prefer to solicit childish responses.

              1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
                WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRDAM-vjTBl1SXiDdHUIyNAEo8SIdv3xCzDvxCPc2Q-kO3c3tt9

                                That does it. I'm leaving!

                1. Randy Godwin profile image95
                  Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Hey WD!  Come on back!  Don't go away mad!  lol  Can't you take a joke?  tongue


                                                         http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6186572.jpg

                  1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
                    WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRoKYI8AE4oT0BX4XI31AX161A_dq6aC-jEPe7UiScZZD5hkA-B

                    I might come back to do some Forum Frog gigging.  cool

        3. twosheds1 profile image59
          twosheds1posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You know now! Think about it. The burden of proof always lies on those making a claim. There is no way to logically prove a negative.

          1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
            WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            In a debate, you have to prove nothing. You present the the most convincing and persuasive argument. By your assertion, you have painted yourself into the corner, and you aren't even out of the blocks. Your king is already in check because of your first brash move.

            You have determined to make your stand on an absolute that does not exist. Your house is built on sand.

            1. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Oh yes, totally convincing and persuasive argument. lol

              1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
                WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Did you hear a Forum Frog? I think I did.

                https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR88KhG4YHE4EtyxsH7b93-OJQteOMzCHXXOl2uUTVgYuAS_NxZqQ

                           Ribbit . . . ribbit . . . ribbit!

                1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                  A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Wow, grow up, dude.

                  1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
                    WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Are you feeling the grip?

                    https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwIw68oSVzWMyCNZtZEexeOMw2teasM13NTNztZgDDDU_TqtBrWw5MBwBuYg

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              Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I know you all like to pretend you are debating here. But what you are actually doing is arguing. I'm afraid you do have to provide proof if you are going to state there is, or is not, a human soul.

              It doesn't matter how eloquently one might speak. Without cold hard facts, you are bandying about opinions.  And you can't 'win' the argument with an opinion.

              1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
                WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Give me a break. What does ditty wa ditty mean? Prove it. We can not make a determination without proof. Whoa is me!

                http://youtu.be/6lyZd0JZCK0

                Why can't we just be friends?

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                  Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm your friend, little guy. I'm a bit of a fan. You seem to have the atheists on the ropes and irritated.

                  But, it's all yakking (all the way around) without proof.

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                    AKA Winstonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Do you guys not understand that proof is opinion?  One of the best examples was the O.J. Simpson trial.  What was proof of guilt to the DA was proof of innocence to the jury.

                    There is no such thing as irrefutable proof because there is always someone who won't accept it.  Proof is only proof if you believe it.

                    So why do you keep asking for proof?  What is the point?

                    Here is a clue: it is not about proof and evidence.  It is all about reason and rationality.  And I offer no proof of that claim, so you'll have to reason it out for yourselves.

                  2. WD Curry 111 profile image59
                    WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    You are right. There is no worthy endeavor where

                    https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRvRIVzSMF1oWcjty9NvM_gQ9aWYhM6zG8HQTt2jBKQ5lt95HdD

                    the heart and imagination do not factor in.

                  3. A Troubled Man profile image60
                    A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Sorry, are you a fan of his because he is immature and childish and that's what you perceive as having "the atheists on the ropes"?

                    That certainly says a lot about you.

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              Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              If the point of debating is to "win" rather than honestly explore the truth or falsity of the issue at hand, then you are correct.

              1. A Thousand Words profile image81
                A Thousand Wordsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Well, it depends on the debate I suppose. And the people having it. One would hope that on an important issue at least, it would be about finding the truth.

              2. WD Curry 111 profile image59
                WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Maybe you don't understand debate. Besides, there is no winning a debate against the fact that Man is a spiritual being. If you want the truth, then realize it.. Man has no spirit? That is preposterous. Have you ever seen a man die? That isn't proof enough?

                It is a song about a rose, or maybe the shadow of a rose.
                http://youtu.be/wv3Z3eb0flY

                1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                  A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  It isn't any proof at all, it's pure unfounded assertion based on ignorance.

                  1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
                    WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Now I have you right where I want you.

                         https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRiwRZzKdAAnyaixDq0csusPpmd9ttKwAF8DvC2Cb4easBjEekZdw

                         Fine specimen of a Forum Frog.
                         Do Forum Frogs have a spirit?

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                  Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I understand that debate is argument in a formal style, and that this formal style  often involves intellectual bullying, mockery, and theatricality. Virtually any type of behavior is permitted as long as it enables winning. However, debate doesn't have to be engaged that way. The alternative -- a formal commitment to dispassion, a rigorous attention to logic and reason -- is hard work. I understand entirely why it is seldom employed.

                  1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
                    WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfNSE4ZvOTMnTvWjauIKUkHWsYc2QB_TzA9G3FcLz662bueTICdw

                                          Ya think?

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                AKA Winstonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                +1

                1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
                  WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Go back to sleep.

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                AKA Winstonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Well, it is plain by this comment that you have little-to-no experience with death.  Tell me, what are the signs of eminent death?  Can you tell me the changes that occur a month out?  How about the final 72 hours?

                I see death on a constant basis - it is a purely biological event.  The consciousness slips away as the body diverts its remaining energy into keeping the heart, lungs, and brain stem alive and the body continues to live until the energy can no longer provide enough fuel for cellular function and the breathing stops and the heart stops.

                There is no whoop-de-doo moment of sprit separating from body.  It is all quite matter-of-fact and unstoppable.

                You people who hope and dream about miracles are simply children pissing your pants because you are scared to face reality without superdaddy to hold your hand.  And your beliefs cause unnecessary conflict and emotional harm.

                1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
                  WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  How so? That is a poor bit of analysis. Give it up junior. You can't hang.

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                    AKA Winstonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    You are totally clueless.  Go play with the kiddies.  All you know how to say is "Halleleujah, I believe!".  Well, whoop-da-de-doo-da for you.  Why don't you learn some reasoning skills while you're not doing any other type thinking?

                    You answered not one of my questions, wiseguy - tell me how you know someone is going to die within 72 hours.  Or tell me what happens to a terminally ill person a month or so  before death.

                    You're the expert bubba - enlighten us with your acumen.

        4. LewSethics profile image60
          LewSethicsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Forget about it.  WD says the point is mute, so there it is.

          1. Richawriter profile image97
            Richawriterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I think it 'was' forgotten many posts ago.

            It has since become something far from a discussion of whether there is a soul or not.

            I agree with you though.

            It is over.

          2. WD Curry 111 profile image59
            WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Finally . . . wisdom. If I say it, you can believe it.

            http://youtu.be/Lpa2YuCw0kg

            1. Richawriter profile image97
              Richawriterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              haha!

              So very true! smile

    2. pisean282311 profile image58
      pisean282311posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      @elijah please stop quoting from 2k year old books...authors of those books wrote to best of their ability but unfortunately lacked exposure , tool and enough developed science to know complexities of our universe...even we know less , so we cant blame people who existed 2k yrs back...

      coming to your question....as josak said ....spirit is assumption and since u assumed there is spirit , now u got to prove that there is one...

    3. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
      EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Circular Logic. Your asking everyone else to prove that it does exist in order to prove that they don't have it. It's stupid. You prove that it does exist, equally, and for everyone, and then people can prove whether or not they have it.

    4. getitrite profile image80
      getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      lol

    5. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
      Jesus was a hippyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The challenge is not on anyone to DISprove a soul or a spirit. You are the one claiming that they exist so YOU have to prove that they do.

      You cant disprove flying monkeys in another galaxy that doesnt mean they exist.

      What you are doing is one of the most common fallacious theist arguments that ever existed. You dont honestly believe it do you?

    6. Richawriter profile image97
      Richawriterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The bible means nothing to me, just another book (and I love books), although I won't say that it is false or truthful in its teaching that there is a God and man has spirit because at this moment it is unprovable.

      What I will say, in my humble opinion though is this: Even though I don't believe in the doctrine that the bible preaches, I do believe that there is a soul or at least some leftover residue of ourselves that continues on into either another existence or is re-integrated into the system in some way just as physical matter is.

      Perhaps it is better that we don't know. The uncertainty may make life much more interesting. If we were to ever find out that there is or isn't a soul and it became public knowledge, there would be some massive ramifications.

      As a species we are not ready for that kind of knowledge, still far too ignorant.

      The mystery is what makes it so intriguing though, the possibilities for what happens after death are endless when it is still so mysterious and unknown.

      1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
        WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Knowledge is good. It goes beyond what we can sense in many areas. Microwave technology is one example. Personally, I think you are on the right track. I have certain beliefs that I hope to share someday. Meanwhile, I am happy to hear yours. They make sense and you express them well. We have to live with the mystery. There is not enough knowledge to span the gap.

        I think it is safe to say that you are a man seeking peace and prosperity for us all.

        1. Richawriter profile image97
          Richawriterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I'd love to hear some of your beliefs as I think they'd probably be interesting, given your good nature.

          Do you one day plan to put them into a hub or a few hubs?

          I do have plans to do so. not just yet though. In time.

          You know those people online that have become immensely popular just by writing very cynically about the goverment etc? There are a few. I'd like to see more people who write positively and optimistically about the human race and the possible futures we might attain, and I'd also like to see them become immensely popular. I know it won't happen, at least not now.

          If I could somehow write stuff like that, I would.

          Everything ever done was always done by those with great imagination and faith and they were always opposed by cynics and those with no imagination. They didn't listen, they drowned out the clamoring voices and mocking tones and shocked the world with future changing discoveries.

          They are so few, yet they are the ones changing the world. The cynics are so many, and when do we see them ever changing the world for the better?


          Oops, I went off on another path there, sorry! 

          Thanks again WD Curry! Take care, mate.

          1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
            WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I have Hubs. There are a few dedicated to spiritual subjects. As with most writers, my beliefs seep into the text on the other ones. Not everyone thinks I am good natured, but it is all good. We all need the same thing. It is not so hard to do right, and it feels so good at the end of the day. Why argue? There is enough strife. Everyone knows right from wrong.

            http://youtu.be/tu8Rx4zz-3U

            We will be seeing you around, and I am sure your ambitions don't end here.

            1. Richawriter profile image97
              Richawriterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Awesome!

              I'll read those spiritual ones a bit later tonight when I have posted a couple of my own.

              Great song, very appropriate!

              See you soon, my friend.

    7. nightwork4 profile image60
      nightwork4posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      proving it would be impossible, literally. i would rather have it proven by someone because people live their lives based on nothing but faith in something they can't prove and it's absurd to say the least. when we die, we die and that is just how it is.

      1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
        WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        http://beginwithin.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/native-american.jpg

        There are those who have discovered evidence in the creation.
        You must learn to sit still, listen and percieve what you see

        http://youtu.be/u6ACUQE_beY

    8. Titen-Sxull profile image93
      Titen-Sxullposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      This post stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of the way the burden of proof works.

      Doubt requires no proof, it merely requires someone to be unconvinced.

    9. Matthew Kirk profile image90
      Matthew Kirkposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The amount of rubbish you post about god and being mental Elijah7, I think I'm going to flag you for being too promotional.

      1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
        WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQL9ZV_JwMI3YBKvS862uPWI3XDsqpyAaJocxFrixIFYv3rj1fo

    10. artblack01 profile image80
      artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Assumptions abound, lack of evidence for something negates any real reason for believing in it except by faith. By faith you can believe anything true or false. The idea if salvation and damnation is an empty promise and empty threat without evidence to back it up.  A book claiming to be the word of god with testimony by people of questionable education and mental stability and even existence themselves is not evidence for anything except that people believed in things like that.  There are over 20 religious beliefs in the world today all saying that you will go to their particular brand of hell.  What if we are both wrong, by your own standard we will both burn in someone's hell. How do you find out what is true? Evidence exists for all that is real.

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      AKA Winstonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I don't know how you found out, but as for me I Googled it...

  2. artblack01 profile image80
    artblack01posted 4 years ago

    There is no evidence that anything spiritual exists and is anything but the imagination of human beings.  There is also no evidence that the Bible was written, imagined and concieved by anyone other than human people.
    In order to believe that a spiritual realm exists you'd either have to be ignorant of reality or dismiss reality and believe for the sake of believing and not because something is true or false.
    How do you find out if something is true?  Evidence that can be tested and proven to be true.

    1. Elijah7 profile image60
      Elijah7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Psalm 69 : 21
      "They gave me also gall for my meat;
      and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink."


      Psalm 22 : 16
      "For dogs have compassed me:
      the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me:
      they pierced my hands and my feet."


      Psalm 34 : 20
      "He keepeth all his bones:
      not one of them is broken."


      ABOVE PROPHECIES WRITTEN AROUND 1000 BC

      Isaiah 7 : 14
      "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign;
      Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son,
      and shall call his name Immanuel."


      Isaiah 53 : 5
      "But he was wounded for our transgressions,
      he was bruised for our iniquities:
      the chastisement of our peace was upon him;
      and with his stripes we are healed."


      Isaiah 53 : 7
      "He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
      yet he opened not his mouth:
      he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter,
      and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb,
      so he openeth not his mouth."


      READ HERE ALSO :

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se … ersion=KJV

      ABOVE PROPHECIES WRITTEN AROUND 712 BC

      Zechariah 12 : 10
      "And I will pour upon the house of David,
      and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
      the spirit of grace and of supplications:
      and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced,
      and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son,
      and shall be in bitterness for him,
      as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."


      ABOVE PROPHECY WRITTEN AROUND 520 BC

      There are literally, thousands of Biblical Prophecies Written multiple hundreds of years before The Historical Events Transpired in Recorded Reality, even right up to NOW AD 2012.

      These Tsunamis of Fulfilled Written Prophecies
      are ALL Contained in ONE MOST HOLY BOOK !!!


      This Supernatural History Book ALSO States THIS :-

      James 2 : 26
      "For as the body without the spirit is dead,
      so faith without works is dead also."


      http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6479885_f248.jpg

      1. Randy Godwin profile image95
        Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You have nothing, nada, zilch, zero, nil!  Why would anyone in their right mind wish to be like you?  If you are going to heaven, this speaks volumes as to the genius of your god.  I've often wondered why such a deity always chooses the most ignorant of humans to spread his message.  Apparently he doesn't want intelligent followers.  What else could the reason be?  Your excuse?


                                              http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6186572.jpg

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          Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You hit the nail on the head, but it's not that God didn't want us to have knowledge, the writers of the bible didn't want us to think. Ignorance must have worked for societies a few thousand years ago, but a uneducated nation would not do well today. The story of Adam and Eve illustrates this perfectly. The apple represents knowledge and once you take a bit out of knowledge you can't go back because you see how silly all these spirits are. The writers of the bible didn't want critical thinkers because most like they would ask why this or why that.
          Reminds me of the hub I just read about the finding of the Arc. It is said that it was 512 feet I believe. That's half the size of a cruise ship, one might ask how they would get every animal alive on a boat that small. When that story was written they didn't know of the America's or Australia.
          Silly silly nonsense.

          1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
            WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Still, this only shows that some people can accept silly ideas. What you are doing is recruiting allies to reinforce your opinion. You have presented nothing that indicates that Man is not a spiritual being, only that some believe in books that you don't accept.

            No one has been accused of a crime, here. The case does not require proof "beyond a shadow of doubt". The judges weigh the preponderance of the evidence. I have provided enough evidence to keep any poor soul, who is that bored and lonely, busy for a whole day. It is evidence of spirit, and soul. It towers above your total lack of evidence.

            You have offered nothing but opposition, loathing, and ridicule.

            I see no need to continue. It is all here for the reader (judges) to ponder. I know I have presented more than enough truth to bolster my argument.

            Man is a spirit who has a body. cool

            https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRU_gBOFkC2UfAZiPASSjqDXgQsm9tWz6KJJJHnyXOEpCDyg9v03Ha9NK10
                   http://youtu.be/aclcD36r44Q

                             I rest my case.

            1. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              lol And, that is supposed to your argument, full of evidence? lol

              1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
                WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Dang! You have been stalking me.
                https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQP-I6XKH6GUSdLKUADRh1oDIBMBDMMTbNav1jgNiC3NNC0Bh8Z
                That's really weird!

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              Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Lets have a look at your soul shall we?

              Is it music?
              Humans aren't the only animal that possess the ability to keep can recognize rhythm. So your soul can't be music.

              Is it consciousness?
              It has been proven that consciousness resides in a particular part of the brain. It's purpose is to bring legitimacy to the sub-conscious. A kind of play by play if you will. The more conscious one is the more they are aware of there Sub-conscious. Consciousness usually resides in our left hemisphere, we know this because of the word done with split brained patience. Consciousness can be turned on and off by medicine. Time stopes durning surgery, consciousness has been taken away. Consciousness is therefore a product of the brain. When the brain dies so does consciousness. So the soul can't be connected to consciousness.

              Is the soul something else?
              Well then it doesn't matter does it. If it can be proven that the soul is not consciousness then we will have no consciousness after death even if there is a soul.

              It is not my burden to prove we don't have souls, it's yours to prove we do, but I can prove consciousness is a product of the brain and thereby prove we can't take consciousness with us after we die. I don't like it either, but there it is.

              1. Richawriter profile image97
                Richawriterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                The soul is the conscious part. The brain is merely a tool, which the soul utilizes much the same way you or I would utilize a car.

                We are souls in SPACE SUITS!

                1. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
                  EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Prove It

                  1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
                    WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Hold still.

                    https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQgqqc9TitXEGL4Pv-b2laDMI5uU8AMZ2txiwWsDr1MMtx3SrKc

                2. A Troubled Man profile image60
                  A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  That's not what neuroscience says about the brain at all, quite the opposite, in fact. This can easily be accounted for with those who have brain injuries or have some other form of handicap that influences that part of the brain functions.

                  1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
                    WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    You sound like you have first hand experience.

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                  Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Consciousness is a product of the brain. That is a proven fact. Consciousness can be turned on and off. People in Coma's are not conscious. The doctor turns of Consciousness to preform surgery. We know consciousness resides in the left hemisphere of most people.

                  We don't take consciousness with us when we die just as we don't take our brain with us.

                  1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
                    WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    You came to this conclusion, how?

          2. artblack01 profile image80
            artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            For a long time not only did the powers that be not want us to have any knowledge as per the Bible but they decided we would get the wrong idea or misinterpret the Bible itself if we knew how to read it... The dark ages was that time period, the religious leaders of that time not only did not allow us to read or learn to read but we were not allowed to read the Bible.
            Knowledge is power, the more you know the less control someone else can exert over you. It's why all these religious people here try and put doubt in your mind over what is real, if god is real they can tell you what to think and how to feel and true human empathy dies.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image95
              Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              There hasn't been a god yet which dared to show himself to the masses. All of the gods seemed to follow the basic god guidelines whether they were good gods or bad gods.

              1-They are all invisible and require blind faith and or delusion for them to exist.

              2-Their followers can only communicate with them in their own minds.

              3-They have strange powers and can read the minds of human beings and affect their lives.

              4-They have a say in what happens to us after we die but claim our actions contribute to the outcome.

              5-They all have special messengers to pass along their wishes to us mere mortals.

              6-They often choose the most knowledge challenged of humans to pass along their extremely important messages.

              And the rule book goes on and on.  What a coincidence the one true god would follow the same guidelines as the many gods which were merely false idols.  The old "don't believe in that guy even though his problems are the same as mine" alibi.  How can it be called "free will" when the evidence against a god is so overwhelming? 

              So God made a perfect being who turned out to be flawed, was apparently tempted by God, as who else could penetrate God's perfect creation, and now is blamed with tempting more of God's creations.

              But get this!  Both God, Satan, and of course we human beings, all know the outcome.  Why, it says so right in the handbook, doesn't it?  It's already planned out and has been forever.   I don't know what else to say other than I suppose I am one of those you guys think is on Satan's side.  Not because I am a bad person, no that seems to be only secondary to worshiping something I simply can't believe exists. 

              But because I don't believe the same way others do.  What an exasperating exercise in futility.  But I suppose gods have to have something to do with their time....oh, that's right....they have no sense of time.  My bad. tongue

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            2. ptosis profile image79
              ptosisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I wonder how come the USA has the crappiest school system in all the first world nations and why they are self-sabotaging the future economy for the next generation. There is no new manufacturing and the gov't stimulus for infrastructure has one city's bridge sections built in China!

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              A good book to read:

              The dictator's handbook : why bad behavior is almost always good politics  by Bruce Bueno de Mesquita

              1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I was disturbed to find out there are actual school teachers here who embrace the most ridiculous beliefs while denying scientific fact. That should help us understand your question.

                1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  scientific fact often leads to creationism.
                  God said let there be light - the light from a big bang
                  God created man on the 6th day - hello cambrian explosion
                  Gods flood during noahs time - hello gilgamesh
                  Secular testimony abounds
                  and the bible is excellent for understanding and learning about God

                  I am not disturbed at all that teachers and others find God i am, indeed, pleased.

                  1. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
                    EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    you do realize that noah's flood is a scientific impossibility right?

                  2. A Troubled Man profile image60
                    A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Pure nonsense, but I understand why believers who have no concept of scientific fact would say such things.



                    lol How utterly childish.

      2. getitrite profile image80
        getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Unless you use a source other than the BIBLE, you have absolutely NO credibility.  NONE! 

        Your bible cannot be the source to support your senseless claims.  Can you present current scientific data that has been peer reviewed?  If not, your entire approach is based on abject ignorance.

      3. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
        Jesus was a hippyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yeah nice preaching dude. Already read the nonsene in the bible. It is actually the reason I am NOT a christian.

        1. Elijah7 profile image60
          Elijah7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          THE REAL TRUTH IS :- The Holy Scriptures CONVICT you ALL of your SIN. This is WHY you hate and blaspheme and deny ALL the time.

          The PROBLEM is Not The Scriptures, Christians or The Church;
          THE PROBLEM IS WITHIN EACH ONE OF YOU.

          Your own PERSONAL Sins - THIS IS THE ROOT OF BITTERNESS YOU FEEL WHEN THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED TO YOU.

          Try Repenting, to be FORGIVEN, and THEN Discover the Greatest Love and THE Most Immeasurable PEACE you have EVER experienced.

          AMEN

          Ezekiel 18 : 30
          "Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel,
          every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD.
          Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions;
          so iniquity shall not be your ruin
          .


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          1. Jesus was a hippy profile image61
            Jesus was a hippyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            How do you suggest I "try" to believe in something that I deem unbelievable?

            And why are you still quoting the bible to me?

          2. Atheist Anthony profile image59
            Atheist Anthonyposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Are you retarded? I'm not a christian because the bible is full of false lies and it has been historically proven that the writers of the bible stole many stories in the bible from pagan religions such as the religion of the Egyptians. And to continuously quote the bible knowing no one cares and are smart enough to understand it's bullshit is simply idiotic. Clearly your the one who can't read because if you could you wouldn't be a Christian.

            1. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
              EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Your just now asking that?

          3. artblack01 profile image80
            artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

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            1. Matthew Kirk profile image90
              Matthew Kirkposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              True, i stopped reading after the first senetence of the first post, you get the jist straight away...

        2. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          how odd is that, the 'nonsense' you see in the bible is nothing like the truth i see.
          The book is the same
          then what is the difference

          obviously the reader

          Soooooooo if the way you read and perceive the bible brings you to the conclusion of 'nonsense' I would say this is your flaw as the bible is extraordinarily exact and informative from creation onward. As a jewish historical document it has the same credibility as other historical documents, if therefore you read some other historical document and come to the same conclusion of nonsense perhaps you need to upgrade your abilities.

      4. artblack01 profile image80
        artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Reading quotes out of 2000 year old book doesn't make those quotes true.  Repeating them over and over again won't make anyone believe that those words are anything but the uneducated beliefs of people living 2000 years ago.  And screaming about how some guy was tortured to death for your "sins" makes us wonder if you enjoy talking about some guy being tortured to death.  You even have sick little pictures showing some guy tortured to death all bloody.  Do you enjoy looking at those pictures?  Having all these things doesn't make the statements about God or sin or salvation true, it makes you look like a sick sadist who enjoys talking about death and torture.

      5. nightwork4 profile image60
        nightwork4posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        you are using the bible as proof, surely you jest. people like you scare the crap out of me and i don't scare easily. you are basically using a book to prove something that has never been proven and in fact is so close to being impossible it's down right silly to believe it.

        1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
          WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          How can you talk like that with a baby in your hands?

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          1. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
            EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Besides the fact that your picture is stepping way over the line, what does a baby have to do with it? Are you becoming another one is here not to discuss or talk, but to instigate trouble and try to piss people off since your complete lack of knowledge is starting to show?

            1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
              WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Is that an effective insult where you are from? Around here it is just mealy mouth dribble.

              What does a baby have to do with it? Learn to follow the threads.

              1. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
                EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                No, if I wanted to insult you, I definitely would. I'm trying to understand where it is that this is coming from.

                I have been following the thread, in fact, it's the only thread I've been following. So what if his picture has him holding a baby? Where did the baby become part of the conversation? It wasn't part of what you quoted, you just jumped straight into trying to insult him, much like another christian party liner around here does.

  3. Atheist Anthony profile image59
    Atheist Anthonyposted 4 years ago

    When you die, you do lose weight but losing a soul? no. We actually release measurable energy from our bodies upon death. A soul though is just a myth.

  4. A Thousand Words profile image81
    A Thousand Wordsposted 4 years ago

    We're still exacerbating this dude. Oh great "Elijah," I'll leave you to your madness.

  5. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 4 years ago

    I will take up this challenge as soon as OP proves there is no invisible pink unicorn.

    1. Elijah7 profile image60
      Elijah7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      TRY READING FOR A CHANGE..

      The above Prophecies, and MULTITUDES of others,
      PROVE The Whole point you are SIMPLY MISSING.

      The Hebrew Prophets WROTE about the Future.

      These various "futures" ARE THE MOST FAMOUS
      HISTORICAL EVENTS ACROSS ALL OF TIME, eras
      AFTER they were written : SOME OVER 2000 YEARS LATER.

      Some OVER 4000 years later.

      Seeing The Future IS Supernatural - NOT "religious".

      The FACTS of This Revelation PROVE that everything
      ELSE In The Greatest Book EVER Written, is ALSO TRUE.

      Why ? BECAUSE God is A Spirit and Created The Universe,
      and PUT YOUR spirits in your bodies for a Season.

      This Point is Now proven.

      Not MY fault you CAN'T READ !!!

      Hebrews 12 : 9
      "Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh
      which corrected us, and we gave them reverence:
      shall we not much rather be in subjection unto

      the Father of spirits, and live?

      PS : i MYSELF am BACK FROM THE DEAD, Glory To God ONLY - hence i KNOW what i AM Talking about - Take some Good Advice from an Expert - BELIEVE THE TRUTH - Amen


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      1. Randy Godwin profile image95
        Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You quoted a post, dude!  Where's your proof the pink unicorn doesn't exist?  lol  Show us you can do it!  Ask jr. if you have to, but prove it or shut the heck up!  No need plagaising the old novel if you cannot back up your words. tongue


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        1. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          nobody has to prove anything to you to keep on speaking. Christians do not get together to cross reference proof. Christians are so far beyond proof that you are eating the dust from the tire treads years ago.

          enjoy your snack

          1. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
            EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Gotta love that Christian Pride and Ego. Things they say they are "above" but that always seem to kick in when they feel threatened or insulted.

            1. A Thousand Words profile image81
              A Thousand Wordsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I used to think that having such a high ego was un-biblical, but the Prophet Elijah (The one in the  OT, not this crazy dude on here) mocked one of the "false" prophets after God has caused fire to come down and I don't remember him being chastised. I don't remember where that is.

              1. Elijah7 profile image60
                Elijah7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

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                  Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Do you mean the NDE videos?

                  1. A Thousand Words profile image81
                    A Thousand Wordsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Who knows? He's slightly bonkers, I'd wager.

                    I don't make it a habit of rendering conversation useless with people, but he's a special case. Not because he's stupid. And I don't really mean that he's "bonkers." Just set in stone.

                    And I can approx. 95% guarantee that what you say to him doesn't actually matter. It's like trying to convince a rabbit that believe it's a bird that it's not actually a bird without knowing how communicate with a rabbit in the least. You could show it other rabbits, and how they act, put a mirror in front of it, but it'll still try to flap it's little arms.

                  2. Elijah7 profile image60
                    Elijah7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    No Chasuk - THE STONE COLD DEAD and then back again VIDEOS' Testimony Below :

                    They have been posted in this discussion for some time.

                    Parts One & Two - Part Two Follows on from Part One here :

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIEDQR09 … r_embedded

                    [Right click and then open in new window)

                    Met this man in London in February (i live in Hong Kong - 22 years) - can ASSURE you he's the REAL DEAL - so am i for that matter....

                    (and ATW says i'm bonkers - THAT'S RICH, reading her last post - OUT LOUD LAUGHTER)

                    ANYHOW - ALSO read this Historical Record VERY CLOSELY, Written around 1056 BC...

                    Take some time with the videos and the record below - NO RUSH...

                    The Subject is TOO Important to rush..

                    1 Samuel 28 : 3 -20


                    3 Now Samuel was dead,  and all Israel had lamented him, and buried him in Ramah, even in his own city. And Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land.

                    4 And the Philistines gathered themselves together, and came and pitched in Shunem: and Saul gathered all Israel together, and they pitched in Gilboa.

                    5 And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled.

                    6 And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.

                    7 Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.


                      8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.

                    9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?

                    10 And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

                    11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said,
                    Bring me up Samuel.

                      12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.

                    13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

                    14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.


                    15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

                      16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?

                    17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David:

                    18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

                    19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.

                    20 Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no strength in him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all the night.



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                2. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  soul used here is nephesh which means life. Not the way we think of soul today at all, but as hebraic older documents we need to look at these verses through their understanding and definition - not ours.

            2. brotheryochanan profile image60
              brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              pride and ego
              lets examine that shall we.

              we know that pride cometh before a fall
              But how much pride is needed before that fall?
              You see pride has to cross a line, there has to be an amount of it that somehow brings the wrong result. So to keep the post short.
              If my pride has crossed that particular line then i will fall.
              But did God say that we could not be proud at all? No he did not. To do a thing and be proud of ones accomplishment can be acceptable to God and since you are not God you do not know what that line is - therefore jesus said: "do not judge people", but you are not judging you are just criticizing from a point of ignorance. smile

              ego
              Did God say we could have no ego? Can you fairly and precisely assess what amount or what type or how big my ego is?
              No you cannot.
              You are just criticizing again.

              1. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
                EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Criticizing you? Well, yes I am. Why? Because you make claims that you can't back up without saying "god dun it." The only evidence you ever try to present comes from the Bible, which to this day has not been established as fact in any sense of the word.

                Do I know the lines drawn for pride and ego? No, I honestly don't think there are any. I do know that pride and ego are the only things that allow for arrogant foolishness without facts to back it up however.

                1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  i wish people would get off this habit of saying we cannot use the bible to back up what God wants. Its just stupid. The bible as a source of information is as valid as any other book you want to go to for research. Geography a geography book, architecture an architecture book. A book about God the book that God is in.

                  There is so much evidence i have put forth in this forum about so many topics i can only say to you is, read more.

                  Fact to you is not the bible, but to me and all other christians we deny your counsel, through experience and by His spirit - the bible is Gods doing for us. To discuss this in any negative way is just ridiculous.
                  If you want to disprove Gods truthfulness then disprove the bible - and you cannot, therefore you have a fact - the bible has withstood the test of time and will continue to do so.

                  You dismiss that there is a level of pride and ego that a christian can have? That is foolishness. What you decide as arrogance is also up for scrutiny.

          2. Randy Godwin profile image95
            Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, "beyond the proof" seems to be just about right for you, BO.  lol  First you have to be able to recognize it.  How's that failed attempt coming along?  tongue

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            1. brotheryochanan profile image60
              brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Very well thanks
              Obviously your knickers are in a knot.
              I am not moved
              God is more than good
              His word brings life and health

              You smilies are just a placebo

      2. twosheds1 profile image59
        twosheds1posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        How do you know the Bible is true? Isn't it possible Satan wrote it to deceive us?

        1. brotheryochanan profile image60
          brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          absolutely not.

          There is no satan

          and since we know that godly people wrote the bible we have no troublesome worries about a non existant persian/catholic entity.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image95
            Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Instead, you have a nonexistent, Hebrew/Greek entity.  Wooo!  Does this mean you win, BO?  lol

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            1. brotheryochanan profile image60
              brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              silly post randy

              in the end God wins. I may partake in the skirmish but He is the overall victor.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image95
                Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Fortunately for everyone, your opinion is simply that.  Rant on, BO!lol

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                1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                  brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Good opinions then, are just lost on you.
                  oh well.
                  rant on, randy!

          2. Elijah7 profile image60
            Elijah7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Oh satan EXISTS - definitely yoyochan

            Biblical - Historical and atheist forum FACT.

            Where do you think ALL this MINDLESS ARGUMENT comes from ?

            Ephesians 2 : 1 - 3

            "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others."


            This Song sums it up :-

            http://www.TheSevenThunders.org/C7-Musi … dFound.mp3

            RIGHT CLICK THE ABOVE LINK AND OPEN IN NEW TAB OR WINDOW TO AVOID NAVIGATING AWAY FROM THIS WEB PAGE - Enjoy...

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            1. brotheryochanan profile image60
              brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              to be a prince of the power of the air is to be non-existant.  Prince of nothing is still nothing and notice all the attached relevancies: lust of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of our flesh and mind, children of wrath, are all ourselves, the sinful soul - which is backed up by myriad other verses.

              Spirit here means attitude. Not a floating malevolent being.

            2. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
              EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              This coming from the guy who still can't answer my question without saying god dun it.

              1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                You have a question?

  6. Druid Dude profile image61
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    Totally.

  7. colpolbear profile image90
    colpolbearposted 4 years ago

    Elijah7, why is it that you always write so ridiculously?  Bolding and uppercasing (not to mention the colors) are just extremely annoying.  It's as though you think stressing your words validates them.  It's unprofessional and dare I say, rude.  You're getting the opposite effect.

    Furthermore, you just keep quoting random verses without clear direction as to why.  You keep going on about "fulfilled prophecies" and don't actually prove anything because you're using "the solution" as proof.  It's completely circular.  It's not okay to say "This book is valid because the book says so." 

    By the way, those prophecies, besides being questionable as to their dating and ORIGINS, (isn't that just obnoxious?) are somewhat vague.  Not impressed.

  8. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 4 years ago

    Can I really know my body absent the perspective of the spirit?

  9. getitrite profile image80
    getitriteposted 4 years ago

    Yep resorting to silly taunts sure makes it clear that one has absolutely nothing to support the psychotic claims they assert.

    1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
      WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Seems like I've heard

      https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSVSbgYBe2tAxFS9MxrtjnH9M2UhjE4BIujKo-_5KET9PFiySvzar-RKWfpAw

      this rhetoric before.

      1. getitrite profile image80
        getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Maybe, but still you have only produced silly taunts throughout this entire thread, making you appear to be obnoxious and absurd.

        1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
          WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          What is it you bring to the table? Personal critique? Where is your strong argument?
          http://youtu.be/FALuWDPOLdg

  10. christianajohan profile image60
    christianajohanposted 4 years ago

    I believe this is a strong argument that man has a soul or spirit and I believe that.

    There are things we cannot see in this world. How would you explain millions of cases of ghost stories?etc?

    1. Richawriter profile image97
      Richawriterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Hey, I wouldn't come in here with something like that.

      You may well be attacked by rabid refutists!  (oh, a new word)

      smile

      It really can't be proven, christianajohan

    2. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Ignorance.

      1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
        WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        It is ignorant for a Forum Frog to swim in this pond.http://s3.hubimg.com/u/6489430_f520.jpg
                         There are big fish around.

      2. Richawriter profile image97
        Richawriterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I've moved over here now, Troubled man.

        Getting too crowded over there!

        There is a soul.

        Go on try to twist that and warp it into something that serves you.

        I bet you probably could too!

        Have fun!

        I did! wink

        1. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Where? Why has no one ever shown there to be a soul but you say there is? How does that work?

          1. brotheryochanan profile image60
            brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            So many things have been said to exist in your scientific  world that cannot be seen, how do you explain them?

            1. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              If there are so many things, as you assert, then you should be able to provide a bevy of examples. Please do so we can discuss each one.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image95
                Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Good luck getting BO to post anything based on fact.  smile

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              2. brotheryochanan profile image60
                brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                quantum mathematics
                wind
                molecules, atoms
                dark matter
                love
                dreams
                gravity
                inner peace
                time

                the list goes on and on but i spent 3 minutes thinking about something you have spent no time thinking about. Your welcome.

                1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                  A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Here we have one of the most dishonest believers on the forums with a list of things he obviously doesn't understand but believes all lead to creationism. Hilarious.

                  lol lol <--- coveted double laughie award.

                  1. brotheryochanan profile image60
                    brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I wasnt asked to name things that lead to creationism. I was asked to name things that exist but cant be seen.
                    You said you would discuss each one and you haven't.

                    You broke your word and that speaks volumes for dishonesty.

                    lol lol <--- coveted double laughie award for your ignorant dishonesty
                    what a shame

                2. A Troubled Man profile image60
                  A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  One of the most successful and accurate theories science has discovered. We have several accelerator throughout the world testing every day.



                  The wind is the atmosphere in motion made up of molecules and atoms that can be seen under powerful microscopes



                  The effects of dark matter and gravity can be seen



                  Emotions and the activities of the brain are seen on an MRI



                  Look at your watch or a clock. All motion in the universe is governed by time.



                  Keep the list coming if you want. smile

  11. Disturbia profile image60
    Disturbiaposted 4 years ago

    I've read this whole deal and I can't believe the only thing I'm taking away from it all is a big splitting headache.

    1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
      WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      You didn't like the music?

      http://youtu.be/ZoJz2SANTyo

  12. jacharless profile image80
    jacharlessposted 4 years ago

    Although not inclined toward the pro or con babbling literary Memorex™ interpreters, do have practical evidence of spirit existing, based on experience. Mr. Kant would be elated, I assure you.

    Apart from my experiences, the Essence -which is defined as spirit- has been a fascination among humanity since its beginning. From all recorded human history, the mention of spirit has existed (minimum 7000 years). The general consensus is the same. It is the Life in us or Breath (without any reference to either side of Ism: meaning no sensation or equation required. So please stave your scientific and theistic ideologies for your respective showcases: churches, cemeteries, labs, museums).

    I do find it quite ridiculous that a person would challenge another to prove spirit does exist and equally ridiculous to challenge spirit does not exist.
    The purpose of such a challenge (either viewpoint) can only be ego driven [ha-satan], in my opine.

    Unfortunately, this OP has set themselves up for much ridicule & mockery; not because of the curious question or the challenge itself, but the underlying objective.

    James.

    1. WD Curry 111 profile image59
      WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Mission accomplished.
      https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQv-mcIGQedYiJiPViT_DNBU5Kksf8UTAimFzsWk1on-1MSdeTH
      I must go now!

  13. ptosis profile image79
    ptosisposted 4 years ago

    can't prove a negative - it's a set up question, besides, you want a platform to promote your dogma and not have a discussion. But - here it is -

    Is consciousness proof of the soul? - (talking brain-dead definition)

    If this is  true then need to ask; what is consciousness? Saying the soul is the 'ghost in the machine' is not an explanation.

    Shameless self-promotion:

    http://hubpages.com/t/2e4b96
    http://hubpages.com/t/2c1cd5

    "



    http://s4.hubimg.com/u/6338303_f248.jpg

    1. Elijah7 profile image60
      Elijah7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      TRULY - The real Answer to this ENTIRE DISCUSSION, is available for anyone with just a "liitle patience" and the know-how to right click THIS LINK BELOW, AND OPEN IN A NEW TAB OR WINDOW :

      This testimony is GOSPEL TRUE. The INTERVIEW describes this FORMER ATHEIST man's ABSOLUTE CONFIRMED DEATH; his transition OUT OF HIS BODY; A Supernatural Experience THROUGH The Lord's Prayer; AN ENCOUNTER with the denizens of darkness; A Meeting With The Lord; His Call To Mission (OUT OF HIS BODY); his subsequent return BACK TO HIS COLD, DEAD CORPSE IN THE MORGUE and the SHOCK experienced by the folk POKING HIS DEAD BODY WITH A SCALPEL, followed by his Healing Miracle.

      This youtube Video is IN TWO PARTS. Please watch them BOTH.

      i PERSONALLY met this man in London in February 2012 (this year).

      HONESTLY GUYS, this Is The Final Word and EVIDENCE you ARE ALL LOOKING FOR.

      You CAN believe your EYES and EARS - AMEN


      HERE :

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIEDQR09 … r_embedded

      1 Corinthians 15 : 14 - 17

      "And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins."

      END OF STORY !!!!!!!

      http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6501508_f248.jpg

      1. Josak profile image60
        Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        HAHAHAH no...

        1. Elijah7 profile image60
          Elijah7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          So you watched both videos then ???

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            Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            If you would drop the Elijah crap and the kid's coloring book presentation, you do realize that people would take you more seriously, right?

            1. lone77star profile image89
              lone77starposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              And are we to take you more seriously, Chasuk, for using four-letter words and condescending tones?

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                Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Right. Mr. Condescension calls me out for being condescending.

                In answer in your question:

                No.

                However, since the word "c#@p" apparently offends you, I'll rephrase my question:

                "If you would drop the Elijah facade and the kid's coloring book presentation, you do realize that people would take you more seriously, right?"

                Wait... I can also eliminate the condescension:

                "If you would drop the Elijah facade and the cartoonish presentation, you do realize that people would take you more seriously, right?"

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                  AKA Winstonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Chasuk: If you want to get under the skin of a scientologist, call him Mr. Ego.

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                    Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    O.o

                    I'm a bit dumbfounded. A Scientologist? Really?

                2. A Thousand Words profile image81
                  A Thousand Wordsposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  He can't drop the Elijah thing... He really thinks he's THE Elijah. Automatically not going to be taken seriously.

                  1. Elijah7 profile image60
                    Elijah7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    It's the name on my Birth Certificate - go figure...

                    In fact take a LONG LOOK at ALL my posts these past ten days or so...

                    AND GO FIGURE AGAIN !!!

                    In fact, from what i've read of YOUR posts you don't take ANYONE with The Gospel Message seriously....

                    Did you watch the videos ???

                    If not - you got NOTHING to add to this discussion.

                    John 3 : 7

                    "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."


                    http://www.TheSevenThunders.org/C7-Musi … Elijah.mp3

                    RIGHT CLICK THE ABOVE LINK AND OPEN IN NEW TAB OR WINDOW TO AVOID NAVIGATING AWAY FROM THIS WEB PAGE - Crank UP The Volume...

                    http://s2.hubimg.com/u/6510133.jpg

            2. Elijah7 profile image60
              Elijah7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Re : "If you would drop the Elijah crap and the kid's coloring book presentation, you do realize that people would take you more seriously, right?"

              It's NOT me chusak, that people need to take seriously, it's THE TRUTH AND GOD they need...

              Corinthians 1 : 27

              "But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;"


              http://www.TheSevenThunders.org/C7-Musi … Christ.mp3

              RIGHT CLICK THE ABOVE LINK AND OPEN IN NEW TAB OR WINDOW TO AVOID NAVIGATING AWAY FROM THIS WEB PAGE - Crank up the volume. NOTE THE WORDS...

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      AKA Winstonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Of course you can prove a negative - the problem is that the one you are trying to convince may not accept your evidence, which gets  back to the source of the silly "prove it to me" and "you can't prove it 100%" argument methods used on these forums, and the very nature of proof and evidence themselves.  Most people have no clue that proof and evidence are simply opinions as to value.   

      While it is accurate to say that a negative cannot be proven by deduction, a negative can be proven by induction.  I can claim there is no elephant in my garage (a negative claim) and then "prove" it by cleaning my garage, removing the car, and then opening the door for the world to see that it is empty.

      To most reasonable and rational people, I have just "proven" a negative, that there is no elephant in my garage.

      Unfortunately, not everyone is convinced.  Billy Bob Thornton Theist peers real hard into the garage and suddenly falls to his knees and holds his arms to the heavens and declares that he can feel the presence of an immaterial, invisible, spirit elephant - and its essence feels pink and it projects an image to his mind of a omnipotent pink being wearing an orange tutu. 

      Billy Bob Thornton Theist, it seems, is not a reasonable and rational man.

  14. ptosis profile image79
    ptosisposted 4 years ago

    Hey, Maybe this guy was personally inspired by this man he met. But like they say, "If you meet Buddha on the road - kill him!"

    Whatever your conception is of the Buddha, it’s wrong! Now kill that image and keep practicing.

    And I have a 23 second video pointing this out:

    http://www.myspace.com/video/ptosis/eve … g/13082724

    http://s4.hubimg.com/u/6502179_f248.jpg

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    deeachposted 4 years ago

    I am posting a comment without reading anyone's comment.  Some may agree and many may disagree.  I just believe that we are physical body embedded with spirit of our own.  The day when we take our last breath and die (physically), our spirit leaves our body.  May be I'm totally wrong.  But, there is only hypothetical answers to these type of questions, and different religion may explain differently about it.

    1. mischeviousme profile image59
      mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      How about a body surrounded by a spirit of our own? After all, our perceptions tend to come to us..

  16. Druid Dude profile image61
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    dee. Science backs that up, no matter what anyone says to detract from this. Science backs this up.

    1. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      You are an odd one mischevious...curiously awake, yet, strangly asleep. I'm watching you!

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      Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Do you you mean that science corroborate it, or that nothing in science provides contrary evidence?

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      AKA Winstonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Exactly where do I locate this objective data that verifies a human spirit?  What does a spirit look like?  Are you really certain of your claim or is it something you heard or read that you happen to believe?

  17. brotheryochanan profile image60
    brotheryochananposted 4 years ago

    Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
    and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."

    Since there is only one spirit and that spirit is of God then there is no spirit in people unless God give it.

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      klarawieckposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      brothery, when the books that form the bible were written, George Lucas wasn't around to describe the concept of THE FORCE. It would have been so much easier if they had gone that route! roll

      1. Randy Godwin profile image95
        Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        George would have made a great god!  Phew!  Does it smell like BO in here to you guys?  yikes

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          klarawieckposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          http://s4.hubimg.com/u/6506823_f248.jpg

          B.O.'s Fish Wagon - the best place to eat in the Conch Republic.

    2. brotheryochanan profile image60
      brotheryochananposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Scripture is scripture

      doubt it if you will but all the answers are in there and the rest comes from God who gives his spirit to whom He chooses.
      Otherwise ye are all spiritually dead and all is vanity.

      1. Elijah7 profile image60
        Elijah7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        AMEN & AMEN

        http://www.TheSevenThunders.org/C7-Musi … EHOVAH.mp3

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIEDQR09 … r_embedded

        TESTIMONIAL PROOF VIDEOS (PART ONE & PART TWO ABOVE) OF ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW - CLOSING THIS THREAD ONCE AND FOR ALL - AMEN

        RIGHT CLICK THE ABOVE LINKS AND OPEN IN NEW TAB OR WINDOW TO AVOID NAVIGATING AWAY FROM THIS WEB PAGE - Enjoy...

        http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6510140.jpg

  18. Rain Defence profile image97
    Rain Defenceposted 4 years ago

    The chap that got stung by the jellyfish survived, but most people that get stung by those jellyfish survive. In fact most are discharged from hospital the same day without any symptoms.
    I can imagine you'd probably be quite high after being stung by a few though and could well be tripping balls for a while, so I'd personally say any visions/dreams you would have in that state would be from that.
    Anyway, the OP asks for proof, but the whole point about believing whatever god you want to believe in, which usually is the one that your parents believe in and depends where you're born in the world is that there is no way of proving anything one way or another.
    If people believe or don't believe, it doesn't bother me, whatever makes you happy. As long as you don't try and force your opinion on other people, as I find that irritating. Just let everyone make their own mind up and do whatever they want.

    1. Elijah7 profile image60
      Elijah7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      That's NOT what happened in this Case.

      Your above data is INCORRECT :

      http://www.aglimpseofeternity.org/box-jellyfish/

      Try telling this to HIS MOTHER !!! You have "conveniently" MISSED this Key Part of The Testimony.

      Go get stung by FIVE AT ONCE and see how long you live !!!!

      This man is sought after the world over to SPEAK his TRUE TESTIMONY..

      http://www.aglimpseofeternity.org/

      http://kingsgate.org.uk/

      Furthermore, RD, if NO-ONE had Preached The Gospel SINCE AD 33.5, THE ENTIRE PLANET WOULD HAVE BURNT UP AND DISAPPEARED A LONG TIME AGO...

      You have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

      This is THE END OF THIS matter.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIEDQR09 … r_embedded

      Revelation 20 : 5

      "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."


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  19. Druid Dude profile image61
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    Jellyfish can be very small, and being stung is like a first degree burn. BUZZKILL. Being stung numerous times is quite uncomfortable. Large jellyfish can kill.

    1. Elijah7 profile image60
      Elijah7posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      For all pointless arguments against The Truth in this Post :

      The Truth Presented Throughout Herein, BY The Christians, can be seen here :

      http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6514296_f248.jpg

      The activities of certain Created souls thoughout herein,
      when presented with THE ABOVE, is best seen HERE :


      http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6514300_f248.jpg

      "We" feel pity and remorse for your inane intransigence.

      Praying ONE DAY, you Awaken and Receive The Pearls, In The Almighty Name Of The Lord JESUS Christ - Amen and Amen


      Mark 5 : 2 - 13

      "And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes. And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains: Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him. And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.

      But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit. And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many. And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country. Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding. And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea."


      http://www.TheSevenThunders.org/C7-Musi … ndDone.mp3

      1. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
        EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Grow up. I haven't seen anyone come into the Atheist and Agnosticism forums yet and change someone's mind. Color coded messages which supposedly play on the psyche (colors don't play on my psyche, clinically tested, mother approved wink) doesn't do anything but detract from the fact that you might actually have something to say. And I don't think anyone is following your links either.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image95
          Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Ignore it and it will go away.  (It hates to be ignored. Can't you tell by all of the bright colors it uses?

                                                   http://s1.hubimg.com/u/6186572.jpg

          1. Richawriter profile image97
            Richawriterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Wow! This just keeps on going doesn't it!

            I thought this pointless debate thingy would be done and dusted yonks ago but still... it continues.

            "I'm right, you are wrong."
            "No, I'm right, you are wrong!"
            "Rubbish, I'm right."
            "I'm right because (opinion)"
            "wrong."
            "right"
            "wrong"
            "right"
            "wrong!!!!!!"
            "right!!!!!"   

            Geeeeeeeeeezzzz, give it a rest.

            This forum is a reflection of the world at present and one of the reasons humanity just can't seem to get over itself.

            Everyone wants to be right.
            Everyone needs to live nice and snug knowing that their choice of life is better and more suitable than everyone else's and there will always, i mean ALWAYS be a myriad of ways that one can back that up, no matter how much or how little knowledge they have.

            I see it here. People apparently proving each other wrong but providing little or no evidence to back up their claims. Ridiculous and a complete and utter waste of time.

            I'm just sayin. smile

            Just have a cyber hug and forget it. wink

            Debating is fun, I get that. But this is no longer debating, it has turned into taunting and mocking from both sides.

            Pointless.

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              Chasukposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Agreed.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image95
                Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Well heck!  If a greeter says it's pointless, then what are we doing?  Greeters are never wrong!  lollollol


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                1. Richawriter profile image97
                  Richawriterposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Hey Randy,

                  I wasn't having a go at you personally.

                  Just saying.


                  I'm not a greeter. Why would I be a greeter?

                  I have hopped a couple of hubs and welcomed a couple of newbies I saw but I don't think that classes me as a greeter.

                  I have only just come back to hubpages this month after a few week hiatus.

                  Peace out.

            2. Randy Godwin profile image95
              Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You're wrong!  I'm right!  lol  Thanks for your input.  This thread was almost dead until you had to go and post!  yikes

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    The roaring lionposted 4 years ago

    Whats this proof idiocy o morons?  Who is supposed to proof what to who?

    We ALL have a single budden on our backs namely to understand the world and to do that, we MUST make hypothesis. So the question rather turn- what do the hypothesis that we have a soul help us to understand among the miriad of things we utterly don't understand. One such a question is how do we get to have consciousnes?

  21. Rain Defence profile image97
    Rain Defenceposted 4 years ago

    Here you go matey, some reading material for you.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_jellyfish
    I've been stung by jellyfish before myself as it happens. It's not a nice feeling. but it wasn't that bad.
    You just have to take what this chap who claims he died says with a pinch of salt and then form your own opinion rather than believing everything you read. He may or may not believe it himself. Maybe it really did happen. Or maybe not. I can't say 100% for sure myself and no one else can. But he makes a living from telling other people that it happened..
    Anyway as long as you're enjoying yourself, then who cares eh?

 
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