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The insanity of believing

  1. mischeviousme profile image61
    mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago

    If I ask a christian to explain why their God is all powerful, the first thing they say is "Because the bible says so. Then they open it to a page and try to show me, as if it's going to miraculously change my mind. It's crazy old gibberish, not worth anything more than a historic, cultural study.

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      Jesshubpagesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      mischeviousme- I hope you change your mind before its too late. God loves you.

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        jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        What god?

        1. Eric Newland profile image61
          Eric Newlandposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          The God that saved my daughter when she should have died.

          That's eliminated all hint of doubt for me. I know He's all powerful because I've experienced His power, both in the form of direct miracles and in more subtle but no less profound ways.

          I don't need the Bible to believe God exists. It just reaffirms what I already know.

          1. mischeviousme profile image61
            mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            The bible is completely insane and irrelivant to our current situation...

            1. couturepopcafe profile image60
              couturepopcafeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              What's interesting is that although the Bible itself has been much adulterated and is the product of prejudice selection by the Church, the message of Love is what it boils down to. The small distinctions and differences are meaningless. If we were to change the name God to Love, which is the real essence of the spirit, we would likely have no problems. Religion gets in the way of brotherhood.

              1. mischeviousme profile image61
                mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I totally agree... Leave out the rituals and doctrines and replace them with open forums. Only then will one know the true essence of the matter. If we see the concept behind each individual angle, then what is there to argue? What reason has one to kill?

              2. By His Way profile image60
                By His Wayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Interesting smile

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            jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            What about the 'god' who killed those lakhs of people?

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Heartless.

              1. mischeviousme profile image61
                mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this
                1. janesix profile image60
                  janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I cant watch videos right now. What is it?

          3. janesix profile image60
            janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Im glad your daughter is ok eric.

          4. jamiew12310 profile image79
            jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            why do you say god saved your daughter? I don't know what happened but surely you should thank the doctors if it was medical, not an imaginary guy in the sky

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              jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Thank the doctors? Why should he, everything went well? If anything had gone wrong, certainly the fault was with the doctors, not his fairy.

              1. jamiew12310 profile image79
                jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                what? i'm saying if there was a medical problem and doctors saved his daughters life, then thank the doctors not an imaginary man.. I don't know what actually happened but thats true for anything like that

    2. twosheds1 profile image59
      twosheds1posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Dude, you need to get right with Vishnu. Read the Upanishads!

    3. feenix profile image62
      feenixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Either you have not made contact with very many Christians or the statements you opened this forum with ain't nothing but a bunch of jive-talkin'.

      First, there is no such thing as "their God" or "our God." There is God, period. Or, God is God.

      Second, the vast majority of Christians, including yours truly, do not base their belief in God on what is written in The Holy Bible. Their belief stems from what is often described as blind faith, and/or from their having the "faith of a child."

      Third, "crazy gibberish" is in the eye of the beholder.

      Just as it is your opinion that belief in God is "crazy gibberish, many people are of the opinion that those who espouse that God does not exist are talking a bunch of "crazy gibberish."

      Thinking and intelligent people know that arguing over whether or not God exists is nothing but a Mexican standoff. It is a conflict that will never end and in which there will never be a victor.

      1. jamiew12310 profile image79
        jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Surely if there is a God, he would reveal himself and end all the debates and arguments?

        1. feenix profile image62
          feenixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          God continually reveals Himself.

          If that were not the case, you would not even be functioning.

          It is just that many are profoundly unaware that He is always there, and here, and every place else.

          And that is because they have been so thoroughly brainwashed to believe in only that which they can see, they are blind. In fact, there are a whole lot of people on this planet who should be feeling their way around with red-tipped white canes while carrying tin cups in their hands.

          1. jamiew12310 profile image79
            jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            That's ridiculous, how does God make someone function? Tell me, what exactly does God do to make a creature breathe, move, eat, live..?

            I'm afraid it's not those people who have been thoroughly brainwashed is it, you're the one believing in something which, to any rational person, is clearly not true.

            1. feenix profile image62
              feenixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Hey, bro, keep it civil.

              I don't know about you, but my mama taught me to never label what other people say as being "ridiculous."

              And similar to something I stated before in this forum, being "rational" is in the eye of the beholder.

              For example, a number of individuals who have discriminatory attitudes towards others consider themselves to be "rational persons."

              1. jamiew12310 profile image79
                jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Nothing against you, just an opinion, feel free to say whatever you want about my views. It's just the way no religous person can give any straight answer is quite annoying

                1. feenix profile image62
                  feenixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Welcome to the world, my friend. This planet is full of things that are "quite annoying."

                  And so far as your saying, "...no religious person can give any straight answer...," my response to that is, give me a "straight answer" that God does not exist.

                  School me on the facts. I am very anxious to hear them.

                  1. jamiew12310 profile image79
                    jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    That argument doesn't work though: It's not up to someone to prove that something doesn't exist, it's up to the person making the claim to prove themselves. If i said to you there is an invisible alien flying round the room behind you, surely it would make sense that I should have to prove that rather than you prove it's not?

  2. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 4 years ago

    Do you believe in a higher power? I am just curious.

    1. mischeviousme profile image61
      mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I do, but I don't understand the logic behind a religion, at least anymore. It was a good starting point, but I couldn't let myself dwell on human interpretations. Come on though... There are actually people that believe Noah's ark was litteraly true. How is that even rationaly possible?

      1. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        True, there is no logic behind religion

        1. mischeviousme profile image61
          mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          There's logic behind the bible, it's just outdated and overused.

          1. janesix profile image60
            janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            What logic behind the bible?

            1. mischeviousme profile image61
              mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Primitive logic...

              1. Paul Wingert profile image77
                Paul Wingertposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                The Holy Bible, Hebrew Bible, and Koran does give a reader an insight of what life was like 2000 years ago. To get a better sense, take a look at the crazy laws today that exists in some of the conservative Muslim Middle Eastern Countries. These books are no way a history book. These stories of creation, floods, heroic acts are not different from other ancient stories that exists in other ancient cultures, (Rome, Greece, Egypt, Early Americans, etc.). The idea of an afterlife and judgement found in these books have a foundation based on the ancient Egyptian religious beliefs. Only difference is that the ancient Jew thought it was easier to worship one god instead on several.

                1. mischeviousme profile image61
                  mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  True... But, how can anyone prove the validity of their claims? To teach them as fact to anyone, is completely insane...

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    How can you say that they are insane?  How many TV evangelists have taken a total myth and used it to live a life of luxury, raking in the megabucks every day?  That takes smarts, not insanity.  Even the "student" goes away happy, if poorer, and the "teacher" is rich beyond anything a normal person can dream of.

      2. By His Way profile image60
        By His Wayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        People can be mislead. They can be unknowing. What does it really hurt if they believe it literally? There are worse things.

        I'm a believer, but I can't stand legalism, titles, "religion" or anything else that is someone else's interpretation of what I should believe. I have my own experiences to dwell on and they were enough to make me believe. I'm not into forcing other's to believe just the same, but I do hope for you and anyone else that the truth is found in your eyes in this life time. That's all.

        1. By His Way profile image60
          By His Wayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I understand the frustration behind "religion". I don't think I've ever been mad at an athiest. I've been upset with several believers though. I think I'm more disgusted now than I was before in this area. It's sad, but it's not the truth that is TRUTH. It's also frustrating to see people base their opinions on other people's opinions instead of having an open mind and diving in to find out for yourself.

  3. WD Curry 111 profile image59
    WD Curry 111posted 4 years ago

    I know what you mean. Without the Holy Spirit, the Bible doesn't come alive. The Bible isn't God, it is a book about God. God can't be contained in a book. God can't be contained at all.

    That's why we sing!

    https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSLKODokilk38O2oe3LzDqzdN9x59_gMzm2zPejOas9SPaMZiMezg

    http://youtu.be/cLocKzC80gk

  4. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 4 years ago

    Miscieviousme, how are your ideas, sinse you believe in a higher power, any less insane than believing in a christian god?

    1. couturepopcafe profile image60
      couturepopcafeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      A higher power is not a reference to an individual entity governing or as something to worship. A higher power is a reference to a power within each of us, the highest and most noble power that has ever existed. The power that is unique and completely without explanation, though poems and songs have been written to its edification. The highest power known is Love. You can't worship it. You can't destroy it or create it. You can never run out of it and you will always have more no matter how much you give away. It's the binding force behind all of creation.

      1. janesix profile image60
        janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Love is not a higher power.

        1. couturepopcafe profile image60
          couturepopcafeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, I believe it is. It's the highest power to which we can aspire. The God the Christians speak of is Love as defined by his prophet Jesus who, when asked which of the commands is the greatest, he replied 'love'.

          I'd like to hear your reasoning, though.

          1. janesix profile image60
            janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Love is an emotion. It has no ability to create humans, the universe, the planets etc.

            1. couturepopcafe profile image60
              couturepopcafeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              According to some psychologists, the primary emotions include anticipation, joy, trust, fear, surprise, sadness, disgust, and anger. They talk about collections of these basic emotions which create combined emotions and which include optimism, love, submission, awe, disapproval, remorse, contempt, and aggressiveness.

              The highest measurable frequency scientists have been able to record occurs when a person is in a state of love. This would indicate that love itself may be a basic emotion rather than a combination of joy and acceptance or in its purest form, may not be an emotion at all.

              Since there is no explanation for its cause nor effect, it's likely not an emotion. As far as creating universes, I have no proof one way or the other. Neither, I suspect, do those who claim the other 'higher power' created any of it.

              Your logic implies that humans who create other humans are a higher power though I take your point. You're, of course, referring to creating a universe from nothing.

              1. janesix profile image60
                janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                We are talking about two different things. I am talking about a creator god, and i suspect that you know that.

                1. couturepopcafe profile image60
                  couturepopcafeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, of course. And I believe that the Creator of the Universe is a spirit made of pure love. You call it God, I call it Love, as did Jesus himself. Those who choose to envision an entity who is all powerful, called God, believe the same as I do. I just think we are subject to our own laws. What we do defines and determines what we become. This is the same thing the Bible teaches. This great guidebook is very skewed because of the influence of the early Church but it, neverthless, teaches us about love above all things.

                  Metaphors such as 'father' and 'sin' were added later. The father of Jesus was Love. I know this is a bit difficult to wrap your head around, but it's a faceless entity of power no different then the name God - a faceless entity of power. And yes, it can create worlds, not with a wave of the hand as religious folk envision.

                  1. janesix profile image60
                    janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Thats fine. I can respect your beliefs, even if i dont get it.

                    Any religious or spiritual belief is based on faith. My original point was that one belief is no less"sane" than any other.

                    Mine included

        2. mischeviousme profile image61
          mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          The numeric equivalent for God in ancient hebrew, means the same thing as love. Look it up, there are multiple supporting articles. Though these articles are published by scientific research, not crazy bible validation research.

          1. janesix profile image60
            janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Oh yes people are certainly going to be convinced by gemantria

            1. mischeviousme profile image61
              mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              The bible dictates the religion you so practice... Throw it away or give it away. If ever you've read the bible from cover to cover, why read it again? Especially when there are other books to read as well?

              1. janesix profile image60
                janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I am not a christian. Ive read plenty of books, including the bible. Although i dont believe it in a literal sense it still holds value for me.

                1. mischeviousme profile image61
                  mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  How is there any value in the intangible? Any substance? How can one value a material/conceptual object?

                  1. janesix profile image60
                    janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Easily. Just because intangible things dont have value for you doesnt mean they dont for other people.

  5. janesix profile image60
    janesixposted 4 years ago

    Believing in god doesnt mean someone is insane. They might be wrong, but that doesnt equate to insanity.

  6. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 4 years ago

    How do we kill stupidity? It is a formadible advesary.
      IF stupidity were a tree growing in our back yard?

      Do we examine each leaf and paint it with a different stroke of the brush?
      Do we pluck one leaf at a time?
     

       If there were a thing called a stupid pill. and if someone were to have been slipping us one with breakfast each morning; after a week would we still be smart enough to recognize that we were becoming stupid?

       Just wondering.

    1. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Perhaps the same way we kill arrogance and pretentiousness.

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        And how is that ,,,  ignore it and it goes away?

        1. DoubleScorpion profile image88
          DoubleScorpionposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Accept it as a human flaw. Accepting flaws instead of denying the flaws allows one to benefit instead of suffer from those flaws.

        2. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Humans are naturally stupid, arrogant and presumptuous to varying degrees. I doubt any of those traits can be killed

          1. Jerami profile image77
            Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            And it wouldn't hurt a thing if we awoke each morning acknowledging this fact and then go out into the day with confidence that we can meet the chanlenges sufficiently to come to the end of the day. Helping others when we can ...  cause we all need help from time to time.

    2. A Troubled Man profile image59
      A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Stupidity may not be growing on a tree, but it is present on almost every page of any given holy book.

      You can take it from there. smile

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I agree with you .. And take it a step farther.. It can be found in every written word.

  7. Druid Dude profile image60
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    I say this: The nature of Energy, that is Einsteinian Energy, as in E=MC2 dictates in the final analysis as this; EVERYTHING is a manifestation of energy...including consciousness. If consciousness, as in awareness, exists, then it must be included in that portion of the equation concerning matter. Life itself as in all life, is a direct result of the state of energy, every single thing which exists is inclusive in the equation. Remove energy from the equation, and everything evaporates like a dream, like a mirage. We cannot at this time conclude that the first state of energy is not consciously aware. If it is....then ther be GOD!!! Even Hawking must conclude that a gravitational energy is responsible for the universe...I believe that he is in error when he concludes that God's services were not required. Again...there be God. Not because the bible says so, and not because I say so. Haven't seen God, but he or it, or whatever...proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's there.

    1. mischeviousme profile image61
      mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Energy is active, as it presents itself to be in many ways. This does not equate to a higher power more, a function of energy.

  8. mischeviousme profile image61
    mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago
  9. jamiew12310 profile image79
    jamiew12310posted 4 years ago

    "Why do you believe in God?" "Because the bible says so"
    "But why do you believe the bible?" "Because It's the word of god"

    That's basically religions argument..

    1. mischeviousme profile image61
      mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Absolutely...

    2. By His Way profile image60
      By His Wayposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Not everyone's...

      1. jamiew12310 profile image79
        jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        what's your argument then?

        1. jamiew12310 profile image79
          jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          proved my point without even saying anything smile

    3. supahstarlet profile image59
      supahstarletposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      "Why do you believe in God?" "Because the bible says so"
      "But why do you believe the bible?" "Because It's the word of god"

      That's basically religions argument..

      ---
      Why do i believe in God? How was your world created without a creator? Why do i believe in the bible? It's one of the oldest book of ancient times that proves the human psyche. People are always lost in translation and literally take these stories. as we all know, it's his-story. we're not there to prove otherwise, are we?

      1. A Troubled Man profile image59
        A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        There is a great deal of information on how our world was formed, and it had absolutely nothing to do with a creator.



        Old and ancient usually equates to ignorant and superstitious, just like the bible.

      2. Druid Dude profile image60
        Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Not my argument. Not a christian. Belief is insane? Do you believe in evolution? Do you believe in the Big Bang? Do you believe in yourself? I think you don't know what to believe, or that you believe things which will be proven false somewhere down the road.

        1. A Troubled Man profile image59
          A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          lol I would venture to submit that believing in those concepts without understanding them might very well be on the brink of insanity.

      3. jamiew12310 profile image79
        jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        And this one guy created every single blade of grass on the earth, and every single star in the universe did he?

  10. Jerami profile image77
    Jeramiposted 4 years ago

    A Troubled Man wrote ...
    There is a great deal of information on how our world was formed, and it had absolutely nothing to do with a creator.


    =========

      I agree that science has discovered many, many things about how the earth was formed right up to the moment of creation. And I see no reason to dispute them.
      But where did that Big Bang come from, if not from another plane of existence?
      I do not have a problem calling whatever else is over there heaven and God.

      Can I describe or define it?  NO, cause I don't remember seeing it.

    1. jamiew12310 profile image79
      jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      So where did God come from?

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I can only guess ...  the same place that the catalist for the big bang came from

    2. A Troubled Man profile image59
      A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Of course not, you've made it quite evident you don't even understand anything science has discovered.



      Of course you don't, a direct result of not understanding science.

      1. Jerami profile image77
        Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I was agreeing with you.
          as you say, I don't know anything compared to you.

          Pray tell ..  what was the catalist which caused the big bang?

        1. jamiew12310 profile image79
          jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          we don't know what the catalYst was yet-but we do know a lot more about the big bang than we ever will about God.

          1. Jerami profile image77
            Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            When we find the catalist for the big bang we will have found God!

            1. jamiew12310 profile image79
              jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              why's that then?

              1. Jerami profile image77
                Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                There an infinate perseptions of who/what God is.

                  The best answer to everyones questions about God was already stated.

                He(?) is "I Am"

        2. Druid Dude profile image60
          Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          He came from another place, another time. Another dimension. God is the sum total of all energy, including that thing we call consciousness. If man is the apex of universal existence, then by default...man IS god.

          1. jamiew12310 profile image79
            jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            That doesn't actually mean anything though does it..

          2. Jerami profile image77
            Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            agreed

        3. A Troubled Man profile image59
          A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Based on what we know, it most likely is an answer science will discover and very unlikely an answer a believer will conjure from his good book or be revealed by his gods.

          Does that help?

          1. Jerami profile image77
            Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            No it didn't help because you, as usual, avoid the question with a veiled insult.

            1. A Troubled Man profile image59
              A Troubled Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Please don't lie, I didn't avoid the question nor did I insult you.

  11. Druid Dude profile image60
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    It means whatever you can imagine it means. The act of observing the experiment, changes the experiment. Awareness of what I am saying, the full implications of E=MC2, is what will lead us all to the next step in the development of mankind. Unfortunately, I already know that what I am implying will fall on deaf ears. It's simply a fact of my nature to make the attempt.

    1. Druid Dude profile image60
      Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Even the greatest minds that have ever lived will admit that they know not from whence their inspiration came.

    2. jamiew12310 profile image79
      jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Again, you've used a lot of words but said absolutely nothing..

    3. janesix profile image60
      janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      You are one of the few people on here who actually takes time to think and analyze what is going on in the world.

      1. jamiew12310 profile image79
        jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        janesix.. who?

        1. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Druid dude

  12. Druid Dude profile image60
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    mischeivious...One must, in the very least believe that the sun will rise tomorrow, even though the facts all tell us that is simply not so. There will indeed one day come a time when the sun will surely set on earth for the very last time.

    1. jamiew12310 profile image79
      jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      the facts don't tell us that? We know exactly why the sun rises..

      1. Druid Dude profile image60
        Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        ...and that the sun will one day burn out...slow down, dude. Less coffee. Read the comment before you end up sounding like a dork.

        1. jamiew12310 profile image79
          jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, that part makes sense, the sun will one day set on earth for the last time, but "we must believe that the sun will rise tomorrow even though the facts tell us this is not so".. tell me, what are these facts?

  13. Druid Dude profile image60
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    EVERYBODY "believes" something. Some believe that if they brown nose their boss, they'll get further than by not brown nosing the boss. Maybe, the boss doesn't like brown nosers. Maybe God is like that.

    1. Druid Dude profile image60
      Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      IF the earth still exists when the sun burns out...how can it rise the next day....unless of course, the sun is actually THE SON! Then, it would still take 3 DAYS!. Can you swim?

      1. jamiew12310 profile image79
        jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        So you're saying the sun is now God? God is a massive ball of burning hydrogen? That's pretty cool..

    2. jamiew12310 profile image79
      jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Everybody believes something that is true, not something that is fiction. I've read Harry Potter, but I don't believe that an evil wizard is attempting to take over the world.

  14. Druid Dude profile image60
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    Everything is god. You, me, the deep blue sea. The galaxies, stars and Mars. From here to the bottomless deep. Every single speck of dust, and every single rock and tree. There is no where you can look, feel, be, that isn't god complete. E=MC2. Pure, 100%, unadulterated Einstein. Now, how did I get here from THERE?

    1. Druid Dude profile image60
      Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The 'E' in the equation actually stands for Einstein.

      1. jamiew12310 profile image79
        jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I'm sure it's energy?

    2. jamiew12310 profile image79
      jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The definition of God is "The creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority"
      So you actually don't believe in God, you just refuse to believe that you are just a person, I'm just a person and the deep blue sea is just water. I don't really see how any of those things is the creator of the universe and source of all moral authority?

      1. Druid Dude profile image60
        Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I charge for tutoring in basic physics. You are caught in a time vortex. The past is actually the future, and now hasn't happened yet. Tuned in? Turned on? Dropped out? JOIN UP!!! See Afghanistan on an all expenses paid vacation, compliments of your Uncle Sam. Yo, yeah you! With the funky porno mustache, why do you think that there is no proof that God doesn't exist...just theories. Hint: Theories are as unprovable as God, until, and only when, they are proven. One burden of proof is that everything must be duplicated under controlled conditions. How can one prove how the universe was created or came into being if you can't duplicate the experiment. Why do so many people believe in evolution when many creatures alive now have undergone little or no change at all in OVER 60 million years? Are you an animal...like all the other animals? You are like a Who. Maybe Horton is listening...maybe not, but If you are a Who on a speck of dust, floating in a universe, the major portion of which is UNDETECTABLE (Dark Matter) then WHO CARES IF HORTON'S there or not. And don't presume to tell me what I believe, because you didn't bring a big enough gun to this O.K. Corral

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          jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You're overthinking everything way too much. Look, we are a species on a tiny rock in a tiny part of a massive universe, that is it, there is no more meaning to life, we're just a biological species who evolved from a different one.
          The point of evolution theories is that we have EVIDENCE. You clearly don't understand, evolution has been proven with 99% certainty, yet there isn't a speck of proof of religion. Fair enough, we can't be completely sure either is true, but any sensible person will see that the one with overwhelmingly more evidence is by far more likely to be.

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            Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            ...and we are the most unnatural creature on this, possibly every planet. We drive around in cars, all snassed up, lookin' for a date on a saturday night to go to the movies and munch on popcorn while copping a free feel.  On the quantum end of things, there may be billions of variations of this reality occurring on different timelines. That is called string theory, and beyond that is Brane Theory which holds that all those strings from the previous theory are attached to a membrane. Starting to sound more like a life form...but that's our universe. The strings each have their own vibrational frequency....and that is WHY we are here. So... I take it that you don't buy that we are god, huh? Well...if we invented God...then WE ARE GOD, and there is no one to tell us we aren't. You aren't thinking enough.

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              jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks, I'm aware of the theories we have.
              "We invented God, therefore we are God".. that doesn't mean anything! We were wrong, everyone makes mistakes. How about, we invented the belief of no God, therefore there is no God?

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            Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Missed that part about the you and me god? LESS COFFEE!

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              jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Please remind me what that part was?
              You're arguing with a teenager here, and you've come up with absolutely nothing that makes sense to back up your argument, and all you can seem to talk about is coffee?
              I just think it's sad that so many otherwise intelligent people spend their whole lives believing in something so ridiculous.

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              Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Still doesn't answer the nature of energy. In E=MC2 E is equal to all matter. If consciousness exists in a matterial form, that is, you and I, then consciousness is somewhere in the equation. Everything returns from where it originated. We will too, but, the universe re-cycles everything. Ruled strictly by mathematics, to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction dictates that, just like a massive row of dominoes, once the first one falls, eventually, they will all fall in turn. It can even be predicted exactly when any particular domino will fall, but fall it surely will. It's fall is inevitable. Not only is it predictable....it is immutable. Destiny and Fate. Remem,ber that a "body in motion tends to stay in motion, and a body at rest tends to remain at rest" so, if this is true, and it is accepted as such, then the possibility that this universe was ever in a state of non-motion or non-existence is pretty darned slim. I said that if you know yourself, then you know God...and, by the way...I am a Creationary evolutionist...or an evolutionary creationist.

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                jamiew12310posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                If "the possibility that the universe was ever in non-existence is pretty darned slim", surely that rules out creationism straight away? There has to be nothing there for the creation to happen.

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                  Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  That depends on exactly what the universe is. We see it from our perspective, but if it were possible to stand outside of it and look back...we might be surprised at the possibilities of what we might be looking at. It is said that Newton "discovered" gravity. It existed long before him...he merely quantified it. Columbus didn't discover America. The natives knew it was here. This whole reality is shot with such absurdities that I'm surprised any of us can think at all. If evolution is Right on, then why is incest so dangerous genetically. I don't agree with the bible either. I'm not a christian.

 
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