does God Exist? Yes he does exist ! Do you think otherwise?

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   Felixedet2000posted 11 years ago

   God is the beginning and end of life, of discussion and anything else you can think of in this miserable world where perversity is the norm. Some people choose not to accept him in their heart, their hearts inclination tilt towards perversity and therefore God gave them up to reprobate mindset.
   
   Can you refuse to acknowledge the fact that you are a biological products from your parents?
   why then will someone refuse to acknowledge the existence of God?
   
   does God exist is a hot topic in the world because they world has never known God for whom he is.
   I don;t think God exist, i know he does.
   Can you proof me wrong or right?

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      janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Your god created a miserable and perverse world? Why did he do that?

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         dmoney4godposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         When my God made this world for us to live in it was beautiful and perfect. We as people messed up God's creation and transformed it into this miserable and perverse world that you see before you now.

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            nightwork4posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            so tornados, hurricanes, volcanos etc are beautiful and perfect? really?we caused these things i take it?

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         Felixedet2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I like the fact that you admitted that my God created the world, i love you for that. Despite the confusing opinion you have about him. He loves you still even more than what you can understand.
         When he created the world the world was not the way it is now, people's doctrines and perception is the reason the world is the way it is now.
         When people refuse to acknowledge their creator what do you expect aside perversity?
         How would you feel if your children refuse to acknowledge you as their parent? or you refusing to acknowledge your parent for whom they are, will it make them happy or not?

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            jdflomposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I know several people who had bad parents and now refuse to acknowledge their parents. They are living much happier lives now.

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               Felixedet2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               That is a common thing Jdflom, all parents are humans and like most human have their short comings which at times might be  detrimental to the well being of their wards.
               When such children by one way or the other find a way to redirect their life,you can only be grateful to the invisible force that is responsible for such.
               I am sure you are not saying that's the fault of God?

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            nightwork4posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            lmao. there were huricanes and volcanos since the beginning. cute how you change things though, i love it

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      Sophia Angeliqueposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If I had a penny for every single time this question was asked in the hub pages forums, I would be rich.
      
      I can only assume that every newbie that comes along thinks it hasn't been asked before...
      
      To answer the question, No, of course, God doesn't exist. Nor does Father Christmas, Thor, Osiris, and any of the other Gods that mankind invented so that he could explain away the things he didn't understand.
      
      But, of course, the thread was posted to bring out the people who say no, he doesn't exist, so that a big effort to convert the heathen can be made...

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      LewSethicsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      So god gave you knees so you could grovel?

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      ackman1465posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Questions such as this remind me of a quote which, when I saw it, was attributed to Yassar Arafat:   "Religious wars are conflicts in which one group fights and kills and maims another group... all over a dispute about which one has the better imaginary friend..."   Works for me.....

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      Slarty O'Brianposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know if it exists or not. Neither do you. If you claim to, you are lying. Mostly to yourself. We can't know, so what ever you say about it is a wild guess.
      
      And if god did create this intentionally, he set it up to be the way it is. Not us. We didn't create a world where everything must suffer and must murder something every day just to eat and survive. If your god exists it's a sick cruel  tyrant egomaniac.
      
      And that's being nice. 
      
      I hope it doesn't exist. That way there is no intent in how the world is set up. Then you can blame us for not doing enough to fix it. And I do. But I can't blame anything for how it is. Only if its due to a being's intent is it obviously evil.

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         Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Out of an abundance of curiosity I'd love to hear how life could work without death. Not just you. Or me,or even just humanity. How would you create a universe of an infinite number of stars, an infinite number of planets. A planet (we're moving down to earth now) teeming with an infinite amount of life, in a symbiotic relationship so complex we still don't understand all of its intricacies. But, with no death. Constantly changing and evolving.
         
         Take your time there. I knows this is going to be good.
         
         Your concept of good and evil is so skewed I just can't wait to hear this.

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            Castlepalomaposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            We're made of star stuff," Sagan famously stated in one episode. His statement sums up the fact that the carbon, nitrogen and oxygen atoms in our bodies, as well as atoms of all other heavy elements, were created in previous generations of stars over 4.5 billion years ago.13 oct. 2010
            https://www.livescience

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            Slarty O'Brianposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Well do spirits die in heaven?  Do they suffer? Do they evolve and grow? You seem to believe in everlasting life. So you never really die, right?
            
            But you are mistaken. Death isn't what I consider evil. Murder is, but not death.
            
            What you don't seem to be able to get your head around the difference between intent and process. A process can't be evil as it has no intent.
            
            But if suffering and disease were created with intent, that's evil.by definition.
            
            Unlike you I have no great desire to live for ever. If I wake up dead, fine. I have enough experience with leaving my body that I'm pretty sure I'd recognize "home" if it exists. But I don't think, at present, that my experiences were anything but mind. We'll see.
            
            The question is why would something create this? And I've gone in to detail with you a dozen possible reasons.
            
            The Christian god is evil if it is omnipotent and "perfect" like the myth says. Why? Because it have done all this in many ways without creating suffering and evil. Not to mention the myth tells us it also created demons and a devil etc. Why?
            
            And this god can't be perfect. It created us and all this. So it had a reason to. That means it had a need. Perfect things have no need, they are perfect.  Of course there's no such thing. Why? Because for anything to be absolutely perfect, everything has to be in that state. Why? Because if something isn't, it has needs and will mess up the balance and perfection of everything else. It only takes one rotten apple to spoil the barrel.
            
            
            Now, what do they tell you about heaven? No suffering, no pain, no death. So why couldn't this god create this there? Are we to learn here and then get our reward? We're supposed to learn everything in one short life? That's irrational. At least the Buddhists claim we reincarnate over and over till we get it, then we join the cosmic consciousness.
            
            That makes more sense, in many ways. The cosmic consciousness isn't god, it's in a state of higher balance and perfection, but obviously it.speaks of a totality in turmoil, trying to reach perfection by working out every possibility. And then there is no god, as everything is god. (pantheism) So nothing is objectively above or below in value. Subjectively, of course, is a different matter.
            
            I don't know that there is a cosmic consciousness, but even if there isn't and consciousness = brain, then it almost looks the same from a scientific view. The totality is evolving. It looks like an effort to find perfect balance through physical laws.  Order.
            
            Chaos creates order, as well as being the process by which the simple becomes the complex. How? By following simple rules over and over again under diverse conditions.
            
            All atoms actively try to reach their lowest possible energy. But other atoms interact with them causing high energy states. Merger eventually balances them and a new lowest level is found, resulting in a new substance on our level.
            
            And so, simple rules played out under different conditions takes the simple to the complex
            
            As opposed to a god creating us, perhaps the totality is trying to create a god state/perfection. Of course I have no faith in the idea it could ever succeed, nor that that's what's happening. Only that we can see it that way from what science has discovered about the way the universe works.
            
            And were I religious or need a purpose for existence, which I don't, I think looking at what we do as a way to make our own lives and others better, and thereby help work out perfection, is a far higher purpose than being the pet of some supposedly perfect god.  And then, even suffering serves a purpose. Teaching us how not to suffer, and how not to make other things suffer.
            
            Do no intentional harm. It's a much better golden rule/method for living.

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   cruelkindnessposted 11 years ago

   No, God created existence. 
   " So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
   The word Image is defined as a mental representation; idea; conception. 
   
   Everything is one!
   
   Think about it!

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      cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Existence is defined as continuance in being or life.

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      janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Oh. So gOd is a miserable pervert?

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         cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I'll try to explain this to you as simple as I can.
         
         EVERY THING
         IS MADE OF
         ENERGY.
         
         I MEAN EVERYTHING

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            janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            What is energy?

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               cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Energy is vibrations in all types of wave lengths.  For instance the chair your sitting on has the same root particles as you do.  They just move at a different vibration to create that object.  Your thoughts are vibrating around you.  Not visible, however can be measured.

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                  janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  So god is a vibration of what?

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                     cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Well humans came up with the concept of god.

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                        janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        First you insist that god is real, now you are saying he is just a human concept. Which do you believe?

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                        cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        I believe everything is just an illusion.  Your body is a just sensors for your mind.  You only feel a cut because your mind is telling you so.  People make them selves ill all the time by broken hearts.  If some people truly believe their going to heaven.  Then their going to heaven.  If others believe there is a hand full of virgins waiting for them.  Then for them their is a hand full of virgins.  We create the world around us.  Everything that we believed in the past wasn't possible is starting to become possible.
                        
                        Think about it.

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                           janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           If everything is an illusion, then how can we have a body?

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                              cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Because the first consciousnesses thought of a human created the first human.  So the thought of  bearing a child.  Child was conceived.
                              
                              You should look at this experiment and then ask me any questions.
                              
                              Emoto's Water Experiment: The Power of Thoughts
                              www.highexistence.com/water-experiment/

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                                 janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 I loved the adolf hitler one. Good find there.

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                                 Felixedet2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 We don't actually need experiment to understand God, experiment is man made God is God made, the two can never blend together.

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                              Felixedet2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Illusion is not in tandem with spirituality, the God we are talking about here has no business with illusion, he is very real. If any one things this life is an illusion then that person doesn't exist in the real sense of existence. How can you claim to exist while believing that he that create you is an illusion?
                              What can be father from the truth than this sort of perception?

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                                 Mark Knowlesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 At least you agree that your god is an illusion. Well done.
                                 
                                 That is the first step in understanding reality.

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                           cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           I believe I am floating on to were ever i desire.
                           
                           God is defined as the creation of all things.  Your thinking of a single entity
                           I'm thinking of God as every entity.

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                              cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              And Its not any religion type god

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               Felixedet2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               when you talk about energy and you refuse to acknowledge the source of all energy isn't that ambiguous all the way?

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         dmoney4godposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         God is not miserable pervert MAN is

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         Felixedet2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         You don't have to remind him of that, who ever want to slander against the name of God has the right to do so, oh yes.but on the last day, regret will be all the fellow has to deal with for eternity.

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      LewSethicsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If god is perfect then he doesn't need a thought process, because he already knows everything, but if he made man in his image, then he must use his imagination, which is a thought process. 
      Also, if we are made in his image then that means that we look like him.  So god has a pair of legs, but why would god need a pair of legs if he is holed up in some special place outside of our own moribund universe?

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   janesixposted 11 years ago

   Your worldview seems to be inconsistant. You say everything is an illusion, yet you also claim that everything is energy. You need a material universe to have energy.

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      cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      An illusion is energy.  Re read my words.

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         janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Energy vibrating what?

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            cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            google it

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               janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Google what? I am asking you question about your worldview, which is completely inconsistant. If everything is energy, which i agree with, then there has to be something that is enegized.. You also say everything is an illusion. You cant have both. I am trying to figure out what you are getting at.

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                  cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  power of conscious mind
                  the quantum enigma
                  quantum physics
                  
                  To much too explain in this forum.  If your serious look these up. 
                  There is video's on you tube.   
                  
                  There has been experiments done.
                  
                  Reality is our own consciousness.
                  
                  You have the power to change anything.

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                     janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Quantum physics experiments dont prove that a persons concsious has any effect on particles/waves. Only that the instruments do.

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                        cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        I beg to differ my fellow hubber.
                        Research:
                        Emoto's Water Experiment: The Power of Thoughts
                        Then explain to me the results of his national recognized experiment .

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                           janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Emoto is a fraud. Ive read about his "work". Experiments have to be reproducable by others. His hasnt been.

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                              janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              And emoto doesnt do quantum physics research anyway.

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                              cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              err
                              Wrong Answer.
                              Look again?

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                                 janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Ok, i looked. Doctorate in alternative medicine. No quantum physics research. But he DOES sell Quantum Scalar products that will turn dead water into living water.....

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                                    cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_dmYT83ZKY
                                    
                                    watch this video
                                    
                                    Quantum physics is broad scale of theories and studies
                                    Google "Quantum physics power of thought"

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                                       janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       Yes. Lots of theories and unscientific, unreproduced " consciousness effects reality" metaphysics.
                                       
                                       No proof. No evidence of anything real. Lots of wishfull thinking. I have studied all of this crap for years. Theres obviously something going on, but there is no proof of anything.

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   janesixposted 11 years ago

   "Because I am a water researcher, and not a traditional scientist, I am not an authority on quantum physics." Dr. Emoto

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      cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      He discovered something important in science and it happen to spark the world of quantum physics
      
      Here is a recent insight from people who have a paper on there wall saying they have a degree in quantum physics
      
      With all the breakthroughs in the dynamics of our natural world, the topic of physics and consciousness is becoming more well renowned by physicists. In the spring of 2003, the Quantum Mind Conference on "Consciousness, Quantum Physics and The Brain" was held Arizona, USA. Their web site states, "Recent experimental evidence suggests quantum nonlocality occurring in conscious and subconscious brain function, and functional quantum processes in molecular biology are becoming more and more apparent. Moreover macroscopic quantum processes are being proposed as intrinsic features in cosmology, evolution and social interactions."
      
      When we know that we are all a part of this Non-Locality, or Oneness, we can make strides to improve out society, our nation and our world.

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         cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         http://www.starstuffs.com/physcon/science.html

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   Druid Dudeposted 11 years ago

   Does this mean their parents don't exist, and never did? God proved to me he is there. It is an individual, personal thing. My life hasn't been made 'better', just stranger. What I saw, convinced me, what I have experienced convinces me. Even things which just came out of my mouth, unplanned and unbidden. The problem I see, is that christians just give Jesus a bad name. No joke.

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      cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      "Missing the boat on this one."
      Read my comments from the beginning and your answer will be reveled to you.
      
      Only time stands between our gained knowledge.
      
      Cruelkindness

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   pisean282311posted 11 years ago

   u made statement that god exist...so onus of proving it lies on u...kindly prove it in measurable terms such that all court of laws can accept it as evidence and we can close this case forever...

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      cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I beg to differ If you look back to me earlier insight I had stated :
      
      cruelkindnessposted 18 hours ago in reply to this
      I believe everything is just an illusion.  Your body is a just sensors for your mind.  You only feel a cut because your mind is telling you so.  People make them selves ill all the time by broken hearts.  If some people truly believe their going to heaven.  Then their going to heaven.  If others believe there is a hand full of virgins waiting for them.  Then for them their is a hand full of virgins.  We create the world around us.  Everything that we believed in the past wasn't possible is starting to become possible.
      
      Think about it.
      
      So in hindsight you are in control of your own world. 
      You determine your fate , I mine, and so on.
      If the person across the world from you truly in his soul believes there is just darkness when graduates from life.  Then there will be darkness for him.  If you believe your going to a white place in the clouds with people that have wings attached to there backs and you truly believe this with all your soul.  Then there you shale be.
      
      
      I'm just saying...
      
      Cruelkindness

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         pisean282311posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         @cruel gud point....

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            cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Cruelkindness STAMP

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      Felixedet2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      There is no one who can prove that God does not exist, he exist and we all as humans know that he does. why then are we so hypocritical in acknowledging this simple truth?

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         cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Truth  is defined as a verified or indisputable fact.
         
         Define God   http://cruelkindness.hubpages.com/quest … define-god
         Can't prove he does and Can't prove he doesn't.
         
         I guess we all are going to find out the answer.
         
         Cruelkindness

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            Felixedet2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            the false is when you say there is no God,the truth is God Exist.

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         Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         

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         IAmAnAtheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         The burden of proof falls on the one making the claim, not the one refuting it. Saying nobody can prove god does not exist is absurd, And I as a human being do not know that god exists nobody does.

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            Felixedet2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            That's is because you refuse to know that he does he exist, that's your choice and it's strictly personal. Mine is otherwise, i am a real prove of his existence.
            This is like non-sense to you and that's exactly the way it ought to be, because unless you are of the spirit, you can never, ever discern things of the spirit Man.

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               Sophia Angeliqueposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               So let me get this right.
               
               I'm going to draw an analogy.
               
               2 + 2 = 5.
               
               And this is true because people who think 2 + 2 = 4 just don't have the spirit of God to reveal to them that 2 + 2 = 5?
               
               I don't think so.
               
               Very fuzzy logic.

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            Felixedet2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            iamanatheist: You are confuse. The burden of prove lies on the person refuting the claim and not otherwise. Fact is, even if you are shown all the proofs there is , you still will never remotely believe it Ok?
            
            don't play game with yourself thinking you are making any point at all.

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               IAmAnAtheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Well it isn't because i refuse to know, it's because I fail to see any evidence supporting his existence. How do you know you are proof of his existence? You are proof for your parents existence, thats for sure, and know im not confuesd you dont throw away the burden of proof on other people (i.e. Atheists) because you can't prove yourself right so you try to get us to not prove his existence. Just because i wouldnt believe it (Which I would) doesnt dictate where the burden of proof falls. im not playing games with myself thinking im making points, Thats what you are doing.

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                  Felixedet2000posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  You are not quite sure of what you are saying my friend. i will tell you what i believe.
                  i believe in Jesus, God, the Bible and the Holy spirit.
                  What do you believe?

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                     IAmAnAtheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Really? Is what im saying incoherent? I think you are having trouble understanding it, so you are changing the subject.

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               autumn18posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Actually he is making a point. If you claim something is the truth and someone disagrees, it's your responsibility to prove it. I've heard that line before of Oh you wouldn't believe it even if you were shown proof anyway. Why not try it? I totally would believe something if it was proven to me. Just say it is so isn't proof.

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                  IAmAnAtheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  thank you autumn lol

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         Sophia Angeliqueposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         There's no one that can prove that cars aren't flying around in the New York sky right now either. It's just because people haven't been given spiritual sight that they can't see it.
         
         For that matter, nobody can prove that there are no dinosaurs around right now. Of course there are. The people who can't see them just refuse to open their eyes to see them.
         
         
         Equally, the Avengers, Batman, Superman, and all the other super heroes are flying around in the sky. You only have to open your eyes to see them. If you can't see them, it's all your fault. If you don't want to open your spiritual eyes to see them, that's because you just refuse to accept that just because you can't see them doesn't mean they aren't there.
         
         I know that they are there because I can see them with my own eyes. And I'm not imagining things. Absolutely not. I'm not crazy either. I had a real spiritual experience that opened my eyes to seeing all the cars flying around in New York, the great dinosaurs roaming on our plains, and, of course, Superman flew by me just five minutes ago. He even winked at me. Go eat your heart out, Lois Lane!

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            A Thousand Wordsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            What? You, too? Superman, you heartbreaker... :'(

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   getitriteposted 11 years ago

   I long for the day when people asserting psychotic, unprovable, nonsensical, childish religious drivel are put into institutions, where they rightfully belong...along with the other mentally ill.

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      Sophia Angeliqueposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Totally.

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      IAmAnAtheistposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      lol agreed

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   Druid Dudeposted 11 years ago

   Cruelkindness...you are right on! As to burden of proof: Not even Hawking declares that God doesn't exist. Why? Because the non-existance or existance of God, is and has been equally unprovable. The view that something on the order of God exists has been the generally accepted view for thousands of years, maybe even tens of thousands, therefore, the incredible claim that God doesn't exist means that the burden of proof actually rests on that group who support the incredible claim. I don't have to prove God exists...you have to prove he doesn't. Further, I don't care if you never find God. He is strictly your problem, not mine. You are his problem...not mine. Only God can give you sight where you have none, and only you can open that channel between yourself and the almighty. So, and for that reason, I don't care to PROVE it to you or anyone else.

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      cruelkindnessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Druid dude, you are super awesome.
      
      Here is a comic I brought for the people following this forum, I hope you enjoy it.
      
      
      
      

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         A Thousand Wordsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         What the what? It was Zeus after all?

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