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Jesus is Coming

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    SirDentposted 4 years ago

    Are you ready to meet Him?

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      jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Let us electrocute him this time, so that Christians can wear chairs around their neck!

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
        Slarty O'Brianposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        So I take it then that if he was blown up sitting on the toilet they would wear toilet seats?

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          jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          It appears so, otherwise why should they wear crosses? It is fortunate that he was not stoned?!

          1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
            Slarty O'Brianposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Not such a bad idea. Palm size rocks could become very valuable.

      2. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
        Vladimir Uhriposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Jomine, I am sure Jesus will forgive you.

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          jomineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I forgive you, usually I don't take light of nonsense.

        2. thegecko profile image83
          thegeckoposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          From my understanding, Jesus forgave him centuries before he made that comment big_smile

          1. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            It's irrational and illogical to forgive someone whom you've never met. It makes absolutely no sense.

            1. thegecko profile image83
              thegeckoposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Faith and logic don't exactly walk hand in hand... lol

              1. Cagsil profile image59
                Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Of course not. Only the gullible use faith to circumvent actuality and reality.

                1. thegecko profile image83
                  thegeckoposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I use video games and TV shows... does that make me gullible? o.O

                  1. Cagsil profile image59
                    Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Changing the subject? Good for you. You blatantly show off your character as if there's nothing wrong with it. Is that the faith you managed to muster?

    2. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
      Slarty O'Brianposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Tonight? It's a bit late for guests but sure. I'll just go take a quick shower. Oh heck, he was born 2000 years ago I bet I don't smell half as bad as they did back then.

      He likes wine, I take it? I'll have to send out for some if it isn't too late. I've only got beer and tequila. 

      Hey! This isn't a put on is it? You aren't going to disappoint me are you? I've heard this before and he's always been a no show.

      Just in case, coke or ginger ale will have to do if he's thirsty. I'm not going out for wine at this time of night for nothing again.

    3. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
      Slarty O'Brianposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Once again I've been had. He never showed up. I had to drink my bottle of Tequila by myself. Why do Christians lie?

    4. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
      Vladimir Uhriposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Oh, my... perls to the pork.

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
        Slarty O'Brianposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        It's rather rude to call SirDent a pork, don't you think? I know he lies about things he can't possibly know about, but that is no reason to call him names. He has no idea he is lying.

        Most people don't realize that when they assert something that they can not possibly know with any certainty as if it is fact, they are in fact lying. But that's because critical thinking isn't big with people who take things on faith.

        Not his fault that he has contracted a meme that prevents him from knowing fact from speculation and myth. It's a disease that is rampant in human society even today.

        But the good news is it can be cured successfully with lessons in logic and a change in attitude. There is always hope.

        1. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
          Vladimir Uhriposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Slarty O'Brian, when you have logic and knowledge why you don't fix the problems of the world we have it now?

          1. Mark Knowles profile image61
            Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Odd - we have had 2,000 years of majik and you did not fix the problems. In fact - I think as the majority of the world believes in Jesus - I think we can lay the blame on your doorstep - can't we? Guess that means it is time to try logic and knowledge instead. Give us 2,000 years with no religious garbage - bet we fix em innit.

          2. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
            Slarty O'Brianposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Mark pretty well covered it.

      2. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
        Vladimir Uhriposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Mat 7:6  Jesus said:...neither cast you your pearls before swine...

        1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
          Slarty O'Brianposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I know what he means, but I still don't think calling christians swine is appropriate, do you? I prefer to think of them as ill informed due to cultural traditions and superstitions that range back to the cave man.

          The logical mind will eventually prevail or the species is doomed to continue suffering the error of myth and fantasy. It's not a sin but it's not helping.

          Take the Muslims for example. They are now where Christianity was 400 years ago. In a word: intolerant and dangerous.

          Wait, that's two words. Intolerant dangerous and  violent. Oh no, that's three words. Lets start again. Intolerant, dangerous, violent and fanatical.

          Oh hell, you get what I mean, right?

          Christianity is on the decline as atheism rises. Eventually the same will happen to Islam. Hope it doesn't take 400 years.

          The logical mind will prevail.

          Now I have given you my pearls, and I don't even consider you a swine. You are a lost brother.

          Hey, that's what the Catholic church considers all heretics these days. Why shouldn't I return the favour?

    5. Mark Knowles profile image61
      Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      When is he coming exactly? I will mark my calender. Planning on giving the guy a good slap myself.

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        Kathryn LJposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        But annoyingly, he would just turn the other cheek.  Nothing worse than a cheek turner.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Good oh - some one got the joke. lol

          I keep forgetting one of the symptoms of religious affliction is the loss of irony. sad

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      Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It's been 2000 years and we are still taking about this guy? Enough already. Lets get back to Elvis. He was cool and he did die on the crapper so we can wear toilets seats instead of crosses. Much less violent.

    7. mischeviousme profile image59
      mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Are you talking about little Jesus or Jesus Sr.? Are you talking about the Spanish Jesus or the middle eastern Jesus?

      1. Dian'swords4u profile image58
        Dian'swords4uposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        There is only ONE JESUS and that is God's Son.

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          jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Good of someone to make the distinction.
          Still, worship of a man is strictly forbidden and the last time I read, Y`shua was indeed flesh and bone -ask Thomas and the others he ate with, on the beach and in the room, after the resurrection, right up to the ascending.

          AND my ultimately profound question would be this, regarding a 2nd coming: Why?
          nothing is left for him to do. After the sacrifice was made, the work complete, covenant fulfilled, life restored, grave overturned {passover completed}, KOH reopened, his work was finished: exemplified by "sitting" at the right hand of the Father. From then on, the Fathers Ruach [Spirit] was restored to lead/guide, once more, as with Adam.

          James

          1. Dian'swords4u profile image58
            Dian'swords4uposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            In Isaiah 7:14 you will find that it was foretold that Jesus would come to this earth by virgin birth.  In Matthew 1:18-25 you will read of the birth of Jesus which states that Jesus in verse 18 was conceived by the Holy Spirit or Immaculate conception if you will.  Jesus is God's son and also the son of Joseph who was a human being.  This makes Jesus Godman.
            Jesus is fully God and fully man.  He was sent here to live his life and be a demonstration of the way that we should live our lives. 

            John 1:1-18 tells us that Jesus was the Word which was God and that the Word was made flesh through his birth on this earth.  Jesus led a perfect, sinless life, thus making him the perfect sacrifice for our sins on the cross so that we may have forgiveness and everlasting life. 

            In the Old Testament the attonement for the sins of the people was the sacrificing of the most perfect animal such as a lamb, goat, oxen, bird etc.  After Jesus birth, He was the perfect lamb and sacrifice for our sins because he had not sinned.  In Hebrews 1:1-3 we see that Jesus is indeed Godman and that because of this he made reconsiliation for us through his death, buriel and resurrection.  In chapter 2:1-4 we see the role of Jesus in our salvation.  In verses 14-18 in chapter 2 we see that in the death of Jesus satan was defeated.

            In Philippians 2:5-11 we see the example of life that Jesus came to this earth to demonstrate to all of us. He lived the life of a servant which is the way that we should live our lives unto God.  He demonstrated his obedience by his death on the cross for our sins.   In verses 10-11 you will see that when Jesus does come back to this earth every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess Jesus as Lord and Savior.  Those that have asked Jesus into their hearts will go to heaven and those that have not will go to hell.  If you have any doubt about hell you are wrong in doing so.

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              jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Dian, am very familiar with the texts.
              But that wasn't my question, essentially.

              Truth be told, you are godman -err well- godwoman. Every human is god-man {elohim} because he is our Abba {Elohim}. Every human has been given the same Spirit that raised Y`shua from the dead. This is the same Spirit that was breathed into man that made him a living being, brooded over creation itself and is all of creation itself. So the 200% {100% heaven 100% earth} concept is true, but not the way most perceive. Y`shua being the 2nd Adam makes things perfectly clear. A flesh-bone perfect human, as Adam was before the Inception, and demonstrated precisely that lifestyle. Heaven-Earth is the kingdom and that kingdom has been reopened by his work. But he is not to be worshiped...

              John {the Baptizer} is simply reiterating precisely what I said. Ruach, the Hebrew word for Breath is equal to the word Word. It appears 25,000 times in Torah, as well as Epistles and Letters. It is the same term used to describe the creation of man -the Breath of Life. As John emphasizes: "And Life was the Light in man {spirit}." Same as the word became flesh. This reinforces Genesis where Creator "breathed in man the breath of life".

              And yes, I am certain Hell {the Grave, Pit, Sheol, Hades} has been swallowed up in the victory over death itself. This was the purpose of the work, to free all men from the effect of sin which is death. Just for reference: Rev 20.5-6. It clearly states all this happened at the resurrection. smile

              James.

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      Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      If were Jesus , I wound not want to see those awful crosses that reminded me of a very bad day beside they false imagines

      I will be ready to be blown away by a giant burning ball of crap

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      Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I pray to God I will be when He comes!

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      getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Delusion is bliss.  But at least it saves you from ever having to accept that we live in a world that we are just beginning to understand...and a reality that we cannot fully comprehend.

      Just like the rest of us, you are not gonna meet any Jesus, or Rumpelstiltskin, or Peter Pan, when you die.

      You'll just be dead...that's all.

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        janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Do you have faith that you will just stop existing when you die?

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          getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yes I do.  Why would I not?  I have no recollection of anything before my birth, so I'm sure there is no consciousness after my death...as they(death and before conception) are the exact same states.

          Of course, wishful thinking can create an infinite number of erroneous perceptions.

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            Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            OMG. How did this happen. You and I coming to the same conclusion independently? Nobody told me it was this way, it just makes sense. I don't like it but I don't have to. We come, we stay, we go.

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              getitriteposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Any other conclusion would be irrational.

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                Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Let's leave the irrational for the gullible.

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        Dian'swords4uposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You are right on 2 points.  We will not meet Rumplestilshin and we won't meet Peter Pan, but we will meet Jesus and if you don't know him as your Lord and Savior you will go to hell.  Plain and simple.

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      Mmargie1966posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I am!  I have been persecuted by many for my beliefs...and it's nothing compared to what He went through.  So, yeah...I'm ready to be taken to meet my Jesus face to face and worship Him in person!

      big_smile

      1. Dian'swords4u profile image58
        Dian'swords4uposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You and me both.  It is so good to hear that someone is ready for his return and is excited about worshiping him in person.

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        seven-ironposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Jesus is awesome.

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          SirDentposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Amen!

          1. Chris Neal profile image83
            Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Amen indeed!

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          Dian'swords4uposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You are so very right about that.  There is none other than Jesus Christ.

    12. Paul Wingert profile image79
      Paul Wingertposted 4 years ago

      If you want to meet Jesus, just take a trip to any of your local state hospitals. There I'm sure you'll also meet a Joan of Arc or two, or even a King of something.

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
        Slarty O'Brianposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You needn't go that far. Jesus Garcia sells dope on the street corner.

        1. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
          Vladimir Uhriposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I am sure, guys; Lord will forgive you whatever you say...

          1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
            Slarty O'Brianposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Remember that stating an opinion or belief as if it is fact, is a lie. But I for one forgive you. That's a fact. You know not what you say.

    13. Cagsil profile image59
      Cagsilposted 4 years ago

      Jesus is coming?

      Yeah, it is just as it was when he died. Too bad the resurrection of Jesus was nothing more than a myth attributed to something other than what happened.

    14. rdcast profile image78
      rdcastposted 4 years ago

      I'am being prepared quickly with fire.

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image86
        Slarty O'Brianposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Get out of the house and call 911.

    15. Dian'swords4u profile image58
      Dian'swords4uposted 4 years ago

      Yes.  I am ready to meet him and thank you for asking.  I hope you are ready as well.  As a matter of fact I am looking forward to that day.  It will be a victory to see every knee bowing and every tongue confessing Jesus Christ as Lord as stated in the Bible  in Philippians 2:10-11

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        SirDentposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I am glad you are ready.  To God be the praise.

      2. thegecko profile image83
        thegeckoposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Wow, your description of the coming of Christ sounds more like the scene when Loki bullied terrified masses in Germany in attempt to force them to succumb to his will.

        Is Jesus also from Asgard? Maybe those Norse pagans were right o.O

        I would think that Jesus would embrace us hand in hand, with everyone on both feet.

    16. gamergirl profile image62
      gamergirlposted 4 years ago

      Hey guys, we all better convert to Xtianity fast, 'cuz I learned that if we accept Zombie Jeebuz as our savior, then we get to spend the rest of infinite time praising him and his angry spectral daddy.

      1. mischeviousme profile image59
        mischeviousmeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Holy @#!#, that was awesome. lol lol

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          gamergirlposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          *bows*

          You're welcome.

    17. Michael Jon profile image59
      Michael Jonposted 4 years ago

      Lord of Hosts, have pity on those who mock what they don't understand, because they have no spiritual discernment. And Lord, perhaps you will miraculously make yourself known to them before the hour of their death so they can choose to be redeemed and suffer not the pit of torment.

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Always nice to see someone not contribute to the thread. Except to imply other people are ignorant because they have no spiritual discernment.

        1. Druid Dude profile image61
          Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I think it's more because you don't seek to discuss. You choose to simply ridicule what you, personally don't agree with. What brings you to this forum? You say that faith is an act of gullibility. Sports fans are pretty gullible. I'm a Yankees fan myself. Not too much gullibility there. Yankees have more pennants than anybody. Does your lady know that faith is gullibility? Great relationship builder there. Spiritual discernment? Whatever happened to love?

          1. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I always seek to do away with irrationality and discussion is usually the only manner in which to address it.
            Nice to see you're negative in thinking. It just shows how irrational you are.
            What difference does it matter. It doesn't.
            Hey, you must be so proud of yourself for your lack of reading comprehension. WOW! roll
            Dumb comparison. Nothing new I suspect.
            Good for you. Like it matters with regards to this topic. Good show, yet again, you cannot stay on topic.
            So what.
            Again, you must be so very proud of your inability to read.
            And this has to do with exactly? It certainly isn't on topic with the forum.
            Love isn't spiritual. It's an emotion. No spiritual aspect required for one to be honest with themselves. That's the truth and if you don't like, too bad.

            1. Druid Dude profile image61
              Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              That was my point. You don't discuss...you simply ridicule. You come to a forum that says Jesus is coming only to ridicule. There is no discussion. And my faith comment was from something you said above. You're just a D.S. I don't even know why I bother to agree with you on those few occassions that I do. You're pretty faithless.

              1. Cagsil profile image59
                Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                There was no ridicule in my statement. I'm sorry you have a negative outlook on other people, for which, apparently cause you even more problems than you ever realized.

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                  Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh, and you look at christians in a positive light? Probs? Please specify. You are pretty pretentious. I just don't see your point...unless of course, you just get your kicks here. Cheap thrills.

                  1. Cagsil profile image59
                    Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I see some Christians in a positive light. Not all of them.
                    Nope. If you're not willing to explore yourself, what makes you think I would want to?
                    Really? I find your boring.
                    I wouldn't expect you to. And, it doesn't really matter either. wink

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                      Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Explore myself? I am standing on a distant shore, lightyears from where you're at. I have crossed the Great Void within...Pretentious, like I said.

    18. Ron Montgomery profile image60
      Ron Montgomeryposted 4 years ago

      Is he really?  He might be faking it just so I'll roll off of him.

    19. jacharless profile image82
      jacharlessposted 4 years ago

      Everyone, look busy!

      1. Cagsil profile image59
        Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        lol lol

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      Hot Rod Loves Youposted 4 years ago

      I'll be glad when he gets here, I think he's taking too long but I don't think he will get here in my life time but if he does, it won't be soon enough.

    21. gamergirl profile image62
      gamergirlposted 4 years ago

      My snickers and giggles originated from a wholly different catching of the joke.

      1. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
        Vladimir Uhriposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I am glad He is coming and to finish His work.
        The first part He was dealing with the sin and broken faith.
        Now He is coming as the King.
        I can't wait to welcome Him.

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          Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          He was just speaking to me as he often does because, as he tell me I'm special. He says he is not coming until we get our sh*t together. All he wants is for us to feed the hungry and take care of all peoples. He says I should lead the way but to do so I need money. There is only so many places left in heaven and he is reserving those placing for people who fill up my paypal account. The more money you deposit the better your ranking so don't be stingy.

          1. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
            Vladimir Uhriposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I do not have any choice, but cry.
            Have u seen any reformer, or big philosopher who died for any of us? 
            In the grace, God is Giver, the best He has, His own Son, because you are special. Can you imagine broken heart of God seen His Son being mocked and being killed by hate?

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              Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Hey, I may have been mocking, but I was not killing and not hating!

              I, at least, was only kidding, unlike some of the televangelists who use those same words to extract money from the gullible in the name of Jesus. If my words bother you, perhaps you should direct your anger towards the people who extract money from the gullible on a daily (TV) or weekly (Sunday) basis.

              1. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
                Vladimir Uhriposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Red Man. Jealousy is the sin. Why Hollywood actors can be rich but not evangelists?  I know one. For 40 years of evangelism collected 40 million $. The same time 40 million souls were saved. Good deal, one soul for one dollar. I am licensed minister. I do not take any salary. I publish books, pamphlets and Newsletter for free. But it is my choice. I have more I need. I am paying from my second work 10% tithes. 
                I believe doctors and pastors should be payed best. They take care of body and souls. Politician, Lawyers???? I like to send them to exile let say St. Helen. Still I have to love them. I cannot harm them.

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                  Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Did I say I was Jealous?
                  Lets have a look at your statement "Why Hollywood actors can be rich but not evangelists?"
                  You were kidding right? Hollywood actors are paid by movie sales and based on how many people go see their movies. They in no way ask the gullible to send their retirement income so they can make a boat payment. Evangelists save no souls, nobody sees the light watching these guys they are already believers. Elderly people are lied to and taken advantage of by these Televangelists. These people are the scum of the earth and usually end up getting caught with there hand in the cooke jar. I believe it was your Jesus who told his decibels to remain poor and without sandals. Don't you see the hypocrisy? Televangelists are nothing but con artists hiding behind Jesus. You should be ashamed of the words you spoke. I happen to have a few lawyer friends and let me tell you they have some sense of decency and a strong moral compass. Thats two things Televangelists don't have. Shame on you. These people steel from the Elderly and gullible.

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                  Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Really? Really???? You are seriously making that argument? How much money do you think was in Jesus' pocket when the Roman threw lots for his clothes? The apostles....how much money did they make ' spreading the word'.

                  Spirituality becomes a joke when you complain that they should make as much money as actors.

                  On second thought, acting is all those preachers are doing so I'm not surprised they rake in the money.

                  1. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
                    Vladimir Uhriposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Sorry, Emily for my mistakes. I am trying to remove it.

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                      Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      OK. I've changed this reply also so we don't have others coming in and trying to comment. I'm glad you thought a little harder about this.

                  2. Chris Neal profile image83
                    Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I know I'm always a little suspicious of preachers who look too rich, even if they don't preach money.

    22. Disturbia profile image61
      Disturbiaposted 4 years ago

      Oh honey, if Jesus is REALLY coming, I'm way more than ready to meet him.

    23. Disappearinghead profile image89
      Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago

      Has anyone else considered that He came and went 2000 years ago? And if Revelation is the revealing of Jesus Christ, then it's all done, dusted, finished, complete, nothing else left to do. So if the New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ, and that bride is the Church made of living stones, then it's been here all this time and the kingdom of God is in us and all around us........Just saying.

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        SirDentposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        So when did the thousand year reign happen?  What about Satan when was he cast into the bottomless pit and locked in?  Who was the antichrist who came and the world had complete peace for 3.5 years?  When was Satan loosed out of the pit for a season?  When were the dead cast into the lake of fire?

        1. Disappearinghead profile image89
          Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Rev 1:1 says that this was the revelation OF Jesus that was given to Him concerning events that would happen soon. So the soon was from Jesus' perspective at the time it was given to Him. An angel some time later shared it with John.

          Jesus had this revelation at some time before His crucifiction, because He shared something of it to the disciples in Matt 24. An example is the sixth seal. In Revelation 6 the sun is darkened, stars fell to Earth, the sky rolled up, and there was an earthquake. In Matt 24, Jesus says the sky will be darkened, the stars will fall, heaven will be shaken, which sounds like the sky being rolled up to me. At Jesus death, the sky was darkened, and there was an earthquake. At this point orthodoxy says Satan was defeated and as angels are often pictured as stars, this would be the point the satan star fell to Earth. So the sixth seal has already happened.

          Upon resurection all things were made new. So revolutionary was the change in man's state before God because of Jesus sacrifice, that it is like a new heaven and Earth. The new kingdom is of living stones and God now dwells amoungst His people via the indwelling of the HS. Jerusalem is the bride = the Church, so the New Jerusalem is here now. Jesus said at the cross it is finished, so there it is, finished, no more to do, Revelation completely fulfilled.

          Also consider in Daniel the rock hewn from the mountain that smashed the kingdoms of the Earth and grew into a mountain that covered the Earth. This is the kingdom of God that came in Jesus time and has grown ever since and will never be destroyed or conquered. The orthodox view of a future revelation contradicts Daniel.

          All I'm saying Sr Dent is have a reread of Revelation from the viewpoint that it is talking about Jesus ministry on Earth, his sacrifice, and was all completed at the resurection.

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            SirDentposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            The time lines do not match up with what you are saying.  If you will read and notice in the first 4 chapters of Revelation it is written, "Let those who have an ear hear what the spirit has to say."  After those chapters it is written, "let he who has an ear hear."  No spirit speaking.

            Aside from what I pointed out previously, when did the waters turn to wormwood?  Whop was the great whore?  When did new Jerusalem come down from god out of heaven?  When did Jesus come back from heaven with ten thousands of His saints?  When did every eye see Him?  Who were the two witnesses that were killed and lay in the streets for 3.5 days and then were brought back to life?

            Are you saying there is record of all these things and even more that I have not mentioned so far?

            1. Disappearinghead profile image89
              Disappearingheadposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I'm saying that much of Revelation was fulfilled by Jesus ministry, death and resurection, and the events that were soon to come to pass we're soon from his perspective. 2000 years delay is not soon by any definition.

              The Great whore was Israel, this is what Ezekiel called her hundreds of years previously. The New Jerusalem is called the bride, but so is the Church, so they may be one and the same.

              There are other tie ups I'm sure and I think it's worth investigation.

              Besides which the Jews believed the Messiah would come as king with a great conquering army to defet their enemies. They were wrong as his coming was not how they expected. Christians think there's a second coming Messiah as a king with a gret conquering army too. Maybe they are wrong also for the same reason.

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                SirDentposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                The prophecies in Revelation cannot have been fulfilled already.  If they had been we would have heard about all those things I mentioned before. 



                I am just gonna say I disagree with who the whore is but not gonna discuss it.



                How about we choose one prophecy and discuss it until we have exhausted it then get on another?



                Well, if you believe the book of Revelation you will also believe Jesus will come with a great army.  If not, there is no point in continuing this discussion.

        2. Jerami profile image75
          Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Sir Dent 


            The 1000 year reign takes place in Heaven. There is no biblical reference of 1000 years  of peace on earth! These dead people (Rev 20) are seen in heaven and not on earth.
            It is written that Satan gives the beast his power and his seat to this beast (Rev. 13) At some time afterwards Satan is thrown into the pit for 1000 years. When he gets out, He, the beast and false prophet gathers together the kings of the earth for battle. The 1000 years are contained within the 42 months which the beast is given.

            In this instance we do not use the timeline comparison between prophetic time and time on earth because the word Years is not an Angelic term.
          A year on earth is 52.2 of our weeks.  52.2 Prophet weeks is called "A Time
          You ask  "Who was the antichrist who came and the world had complete peace for 3.5 years YOU ask?
             
          Daniel 9:27  "And he shall confirm THE Covenant with many for one week .."
             Who is  "HE"  in this verse?  I believe this is still talking about "Messiah The Prince, who when he comes after 69 weeks "CONFIRMS" THE Covenant with many for that last remaining week of the 70 which that Hebrew Nation was given to quit sinning and anoint the "Most Holy".
             30 years after the 70 weeks had come to completion, the Last Jewish revolt broke out and was put down by 133 AD.
             By 149 AD, That Hebrew Nation which were given 70 weeks no longer exists
          Satan was released from the pit around 1890. A little is 13 weeks. A little season is almost 13 weeks. A week in prophesy is approx 9.16 of our years. Or 119 of our years.
          The little season is almost completed, and the 7th trumpet will soon sound and the 7th bowl will soon be poured out.

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            SirDentposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I need to work on an answer to this.   Will get it ASAP.

            1. Chris Neal profile image83
              Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Numerology can certainly be a potent force. I don't believe in it. Certainly there are numbers that are important to God, 7, 12 and 40 being big ones, but I don't think they actually rule the universe.

              1. Jerami profile image75
                Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                numerology has nothing to do with it.

                   That post that Sir Dent was refering to was about a simple equation.

                  kinda like 2 X 3 = 6   or  Algebra ..  A x B =  AB

                  62 weeks of prophesy = 568 of our years. Unless Jesus was not the Messiah?

            2. Jerami profile image75
              Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Thanks for attempting to find a rebuttal for this issue.

                 For over a decade, I have attempted to Prove this concept and many others wrong.
              When doing so,  I found is that Church teaches many false assumptions and misinterpretations of prophesy as written in scriptures. 

                These are much more interesting than the truth.
               
                And the serpant cast out of its mouth water as a flood (= Misinterpretations and mis translations)...  And the earth  swallowed it up  (believed it).

      2. jacharless profile image82
        jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Been sayin` for years, Kev.
        Folks just can`t seem to read it.
        It`s right in front of there eyes, chapter and verse.
        I don`t know, maybe its Revelation Blindness or something.

        But just to clarify:

        Revealing of Y`shua Moshiach 20.5-6

        Okay, show of biblical hands: when did the first resurrection happen?
        Bueller, anyone, anyone.

        1. Vladimir Uhri profile image61
          Vladimir Uhriposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          This is I understand. Jesus appears in clouds with the saints. We meet Him in the cloud. We will fallow resurrected and our body will be changed to eternal bodies. The saints which came with the Lord are spirits and souls, which died. They will pick the new resurrected bodies.
          Each person has own DNA. Spiritual and physical bodies match their DNA. This is why reincarnation is impossible. I think second resurrection will come before final judgement.  *** Each ID DNA is recorded in the Book of Life.

          1. Cagsil profile image59
            Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Book of life? lol

          2. jacharless profile image82
            jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            The actual DNA of humans is faith -the energy of Creator, life source, Breath aka Light. It only makes sense the body -its entire atomic structure is from the same. A perfect balance of heaven-earth. Albeit, it has been altered, but certainly does not imply the original body cannot be restored.

            I just had this conversation about the transfiguration leading up to the resurrection. Several examples throughout Torah examine this status of the physical ability, look/feel, when a spirit is "fully charged".

            1. Paul Wingert profile image79
              Paul Wingertposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              lol

              1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Trust me - it gets funnier. big_smile

                1. jacharless profile image82
                  jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  You and Paul feel better? Good.

                  Besides, your dead anyway, so you laughing about my comment is irrelevant.
                  Logic alone can't stop you from decaying and returning to the nothing you came from, or can it? lol

                  Even still QP defines the elements that make up DNA as light sequences/frequencies, at the sub atomic and ultra-sub atomic level.
                  Sorry its beyond your grayed whiskers old man.

                  This then corresponds to the term used for eons called the core of humans -the spirit/heart. Unfortunately -and to your benefit, I suppose- religion does not understand this to any degree beyond its bento box forehead of paper promises. that includes your religion too.

                  So, big_smile & lol back at ya.

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image61
                    Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Like I said....... lol

                    1. jacharless profile image82
                      jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      lol Dead Man Laughing? Keep on keepin` on brother.
                      No harm, no fowl.
                      Aquarian-Templar Aikido upon you. lol

                  2. janesix profile image62
                    janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    What are the dna light sequences at the UBER-ultra sub-atomic level? That's where it really counts.

                    1. jacharless profile image82
                      jacharlessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      The most "basic" of the elemental is pure light, so far.
                      But accordingly, QP cannot "see" them. They know they are there, because of the interaction of sub-atomic units being "created" out of "thin air" when two different units collide/intercept. The interesting thing is the "neutral" property, which does not leave a reflection or visible display. this happens to every single known element in the universe -which would include the compounds that make up DNA. It is a very fascinating subject.

                      Seems logical, though, that the most abundant thing in the universe is light, therefore the units that make up light form all the other elements called hydrogen, and their sub-atomic parts and their ultra-sub atomic parts.

                      The neutral property -often defined as space- is still light, just not projective or reflective.

                      Who knows how "small" they are @ the "purest" level? One can only wonder.

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                    Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I think you are on to something. I can't articulate my thoughts on this well enough to expand, but every new discovery I've read about within the field plays to your line of thinking. 

                    It's interesting how people can call a spade a spade, but have no interest in the deck of cards it exists in.

                    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
                      Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      Another interesting abundance thing along with light, Is silica sand which is the most abundance material on the surface of a planet. About less than 1% of sand on earth can produce enough energy for whole World for many centuries to come by solar.

                      The only thing greater than the amount of every grain of sand on earth is every star or sun in the Universe. Too bad, we spend 20 times greater money on fighting over oil than researching natural energy. When we have all the energy we need underneath our feet, plus it would be very healthy.

        2. Chris Neal profile image83
          Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Maybe I just haven't read enough of this thread, who's arguing that the first resurrection has already happened? Because if they aren't, how does that verse change what we've been saying? The first resurrection happens during the last days, that verse wasn't dropped in and expected to be divorced from the rest of the book.

    24. Disturbia profile image61
      Disturbiaposted 4 years ago

      Jesus is one of those people in history I've always wanted to meet and converse with.  It would be nice to speak face to face with him and get the real deal on what he's all about straight from the horse's mouth so to speak, not all the second and third hand info which has been passed down, translated, regurgitated, and twisted all around by biblical spin doctors.

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        Emile Rposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        +1

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Disturbia

          Man o Man that would solve this forum most major problem if we could get these third to 1000th hand me down wrong translations by just going to the horses mouth, - Jesus.

          Mean while let assume most Christian believe OR assume (Ass of you and me) most of us are going to hell.

          1. Disturbia profile image61
            Disturbiaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Christians can assume what they like, but I don't believe in hell, so I don't  Ass-ume any such thing.  Hell was created by the church to instill fear and keep the population in line.  I don't know what the afterlife holds or if there even is one. My daughter says there is but it's not what people think it is. So, whether there is a heaven or hell or something else, I'm sure we will all find out in the end.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Which book are you reading?

              In the King James Bible, the term "hell" is used 54 times; 31 times in the Old Testament, and 23 times  

              1. Chris Neal profile image83
                Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I'd be interested to know as well.

                1. Disturbia profile image61
                  Disturbiaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Right now I'm reading book three "A Storm of Swords" in the "Song of Ice and Fire" series by George R.R. Martin.  I think hell might be somewhere north of the wall.

                  But this isn't about any book, or some fictious hell.  It's about being ready to meet Jesus and inviting him over for drinks, snacks and some stimulating conversation.

                  1. Chris Neal profile image83
                    Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    If you really meet Jesus, and I mean REALLY meet Him, then drinks and snacks are the last thing you'll be thinking about.

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                      SirDentposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                      You may be right, but remember, not everyone who met Jesus believed in Him.

    25. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

      Now, it's my turn. What I don't get about christians: Jesus said "I am always with you." So...did he go on vacation, or something, because a lotta people are expecting him back for the encore. Which brings me to the encore, itself. He came back three days after he was crucified (actually, only two days, but who's counting?) Wouldn't that be his second coming? Or, didn't that one count? Now, back to the three days. "As Jonah was in the belly of the whale, three days and three nights, so shall the Son Of Man be in the bowels of the earth." If you can squeeze three days and three nights between Friday evening and Sunday morning, I'll eat YOUR shorts.

    26. HereToHelp2012 profile image60
      HereToHelp2012posted 4 years ago

      Jesus is not coming back. He was merely a profit that was more intelligent than the people around him. He may have had contact with the other planes of existence but just like any other prophet in history. Religion is merely a phrase that defines those who do not seek to find truth they look for it it one spot without ever looking at anything else. There is much every religion and cultures can teach us.

    27. Jerami profile image75
      Jeramiposted 4 years ago

      The prophecies in Revelation cannot have been fulfilled already.  If they had been we would have heard about all those things I mentioned before.

         You do have to remember that the temple was burned to the ground and not a brick sitting upon another was to be found .... AND  In 135 AD after the last Jewish revolt was put down in Jerusalem.  Hadrian had all religious papers burned in a celebration when part of the city was leveled where His temple was going to be built and two Idols were set up One to himself and one to Jupiter.

         Hadrian died before construction of His temple could begin.

         A lot of information was lost when the entire population was either being killed or relocated.

         And for centuries, the RCC searched the world over, collecting as many of these artifacts as possible.


         And the library in Alexandris was THE library of the day  which 1/3 of those books were burned by the Turks
       
          Just saying;   anything is possible..

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        SirDentposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I think you are addressing me in this post.  Let me ask you this.  When did the second death occur?  When did the New Jerusalem come down from God out of heaven?  Why is there still sin in the world?  Why doesn't the lamb lie with the lion?  What was the name of the antichrist or the group that was called antichrist?

        Why is the Holy Spirit still in effect and why is Jerusalem still in an uproar?

        1. Jerami profile image75
          Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry I meant to hit reply button.

          I didn't say that   ALL   of prophey is fulfilled?
          I think every thing except the last sentance which you wrote is not supposed to happen untill after the 7th trumpet and 7th bowl.

             I think the rest of the events mentioned in Rev. have been spread out through out history.

            It just isn't over, quite yet.  As far as the reestablishment of the Hebrew nation, I'm not sure how that fits into prophesy?

          1. Druid Dude profile image61
            Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            The first temple still stands. The temple of Moses was actually the 2nd, and Herod's temple was the third. Jesus said that the body is the temple, wherein God resides.  Don't make me repeat myself.smile

    28. carlarmes profile image80
      carlarmesposted 4 years ago

      What are the christians going to do if he turns out to be a Muslim.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        That's not possible.  We have His birth certificate already, in multiples of copies available and distributed all around the world.    He ain't Obama.  LOL.  And he didn't withhold that information and whip out a faked one just in time for Election Day.  lol
        You surely worry waaay too much! lol

      2. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        carlarmes

        What are the christians going to do if he turns out to be a Muslim.

        Wow, the world would have to come to an End,...

        for most American anyways

    29. teacherjoe52 profile image57
      teacherjoe52posted 4 years ago

      More important is what are you going to do when you find out He is the King of Kings and sits on the judgement seat.

      1. carlarmes profile image80
        carlarmesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I think I'll pass that one if you don't mind. He chould be a queen.

        1. Chris Neal profile image83
          Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          But He's not!

      2. Chris Neal profile image83
        Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, but many will not believe it until it is too late.

        They had the prophets...

    30. Jerami profile image75
      Jeramiposted 4 years ago

      It is my understanding that Solomon’s Temple was first finished in 986 BC; which was destroyed 480 years later. In 586 it was totally destroyed along with the City (Jerusalem)
        God commanded Cyrus to rebuild the Temple, EZRA 1:2.
        This is the commandment which Gabriel informed Daniel of in Daniel 9:23.
        Herod remodeled this temple or we might say added onto it.

        Many theologians would have us to believe that the commandment (Daniel 9:23) came forth when Nehemiah was instructed to finish building the wall around the city which had already been rebuilt!  This is the beginning of confusion concerning prophesy.

        By the way ...  brings to mind a question! ..  Why are the books in the OT SOooo mixed up concerning Chronological order?
          They would be much easier to understand when read in chronological order!
      I just answered my question!

    31. Jerami profile image75
      Jeramiposted 4 years ago

      This is for everyone who attempts to understand prophesies written in Daniel and revelation.

        Imagine writing a book about WWII  and disregard any dates and chronological order to those events which you describe.
        AND you have shuffled the chapters in such a way as to lose ANY understanding of what you wrote about.
       
        You might ask  "WHY would I shuffle the chapters"" 
        That is a good question indeed! ...  why did they?

        The point being made is that without a clear understanding of the chronological order of things; a long list of events would be meaningless.
        Daniel 9:1 tells us when Daniel received this message (538 BC)
        Daniel 9:23 tells us THE Commandment has just then went forth.
        Daniel 9:25 & 26  tells us that it will be 62 weeks until they kill the Messiah. 568 years later they did!
         This IS the key to understanding prophesy which for some reason has been ignored for the past 16oo plus years?

     
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