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If God is Almighty, Omnipotent, All knowing etc.etc.............

  1. jainismus profile image80
    jainismusposted 4 years ago

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    If God is Almighty, Omnipotent, All knowing etc.etc, why he do not stop the bad things his children are doing (especially in his name) and the bad things happening with his children?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Absolute power corrupts, as the story and so called spiritual leader continues

    2. Ruben Rivera profile image80
      Ruben Riveraposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Yes we are almighty and all knowing but since most do not remember where we come from then we use our free will, our thoughts and emotions to do everything going on in the world.

      God is everything and since we are part of God, we create.  Simple as that

      1. Castlepaloma profile image22
        Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        We all came from Adam and Eve? Only a few truly really believe in Creationism, where most people believe or think there was a Evolution process.

        Yet I do think these is some form of higher energy out there we are connected to it and we can tap into it and we can be a co creator of it.

        1. Druid Dude profile image61
          Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Bet you can't say that while standing next to a black hole. Simple physics tells us that without energy, you wouldn't even exist. If you were to stand next to a black hole, you would evaporate and be gone.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image22
            Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I don't fear death like most people or to speak my mind.

            1.  If I were truly convince by Yahweh (one and only God) my only choice.  was a black hole of hell or Less pain, I might repent his offer
            or
            2. Only the Bible was the only thing thing that made sense and everyone else deserves hell

            Both are not plausible, so no worries

            1. Chris Neal profile image84
              Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Why are neither plausible? If God exists, why is it implausible that the Bible would be His word?

              1. artblack01 profile image80
                artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                It's full of human errors and human emotions and human flaws, even in it's literal translation. A god of that level of power would either have none of those flaws or would not exist. Of course this would be hypothetical to the idea of god being possible.

                1. Chris Neal profile image84
                  Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Well, it certainly documents human errors and human emotions and human flaws. Perhaps I haven't seen enough of your postings, or it's just been too long, but what exactly are the flaws of God's that you're thinking of?

                  1. artblack01 profile image80
                    artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    God is one big human error. As for the flaws of God's... You seriously need me to list them for you or have you read the bible? I am sure you could guess what I think they are.  God expresses a wide range of human qualities... Rage anger and hatred are among them and mercy being none of them. Don't look back or I'll turn you into a pillar of salt! Let's kill all with a flood because I failed to make you flawless even though I knew you would not be, that's what I get for making you have free will... Wait we don't have free will, we are controlled by our nature.

    3. Chris Neal profile image84
      Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Because if He did then:

      A) He would short-circuit the cycle of prophecy in his word (the Bible.)

      B) He would rob us of the very humanity that so many people hold against him in the first place. If we couldn't choose not to love, we could never really love. If we couldn't choose to not do good, we could never really do good.

      A lot of people seem to think it would be better if God simply changed us over to robots, incapable of thinking or deciding for ourselves. Would it? Would we really be better off that way?

    4. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
      ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Because HE sent HIS teachings and instructions to show man how to live in harmony with one another and man refuses to hear and follow what HE instructs. He is being patient with man and there will come a time that HE has appointed HE WILL remove all who refuse to come to HIM.

      The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

      To repentance means that we turn from our ways and back to HIS ways which HE has prescribed. People refuse to do that because they want to be their own god and do as they please.

      TORAH, the first five books of the holy scripture prescribe the Father's teaching and instruction. If a person is outside the TORAH that person is called rebellious by the Father. HE is waiting for people to come back to HIM and do what HE instructs before, once again, and for all time, destroying the rebellious and disobedient.

    5. Cagsil profile image82
      Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Okay, this thread has been open for a very short period of time and I'm already sick and tired of looking at it at the top of the forums' main page.

      So, let's get this out of the way and make sure it's easy to understand for those who are of limited understanding, which is most likely many people who read here.

      First off- IF a G/god existed, and said G/god was "almighty", Omnipotent(isn't this "almighty"?), All knowing(omniscient), then I must inform you that you left out one other critical description of said G/god and that would be Omnipresent, which btw- would make the G/god automatically and virtually not probable, not possible or most likely non-existent.

      Secondly, if any individual who holds a belief within the constructs of irrationality, such as an Omnipresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient being/entity would have any dealings with the creation it created, which it gave consciousness and free will, to bestow choice, is absurd.

      Thirdly, the actions of the individuals on this planet only have themselves to blame for what is happening in this world. Yes, you may see yourself as being a responsible person, but under closer scrutiny you would hold water? or would you be- most likely be in a ditch taller than you stand.

      Enough said on this topic. Have fun.

      1. Druid Dude profile image61
        Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Interesting conclusions. Maybe the whole point was to take a lump of carbon and turn it into a diamond.

      2. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
        ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        "I must inform you that you left out one other critical description of said G/god and that would be Omnipresent, which btw- would make the G/god automatically and virtually not probable, not possible or most likely non-existent."

        IF the OMNIPRESENT non/God you detest and try to prove to those of us who KNOW HIM quit thinking of you for just one blink of and eye, YOU would cease to exist.
        So as it is, HE LOVES YOU with an everlasting love that will never, ever, ever, ever quit.

        albeit the outside influences that infect your mind screaming for you to say what they want like a puppet

        FATHER, please, DO SOMETHING AND STOP THIS abusive ranting on your children. DO SOMETHING like you did with Saul or maybe Nebachadnezzer. that would be my 'human' choice. Make him into an animal that eats grass. YES!

        PLEASE DO SOMETHING YAHVEH!
        This creature made in YOUR image is so distorted SHOW IT ITSELF IN THE MIRROR OF YOUR LIGHT AND TRUTH PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ FATHER.

        1. janesix profile image60
          janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, God. Go ahead and DO SOMETHING.

          Save a few starving babies in Africa maybe.

          1. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
            ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Techniques of Bullying

            from hub posted by ksinll

            Why is it so clear to so many, but not to the bullies?
            and when someone tries to deflect the bullying what happens?
            more and more and more and more and more


            do we see this happening here against those that KNOW YHVH?
            That may be reason enough to get them banned from hubpages there is tons of proof all over the "Christian" bashing

            wars





            - Negating or criticizing your efforts without giving direction for improvement

            - Contradicting your ideas without justification

            - Using emotional guilt trips to prevent you from retaliating

            - Neglecting to give you important information

            1. janesix profile image60
              janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I know. You need to stop being such a bully Shallah. Leave Cags alone. How dare you ask God to turn him into an herbivore?

              1. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
                ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

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                1. janesix profile image60
                  janesixposted 4 years ago in reply to this

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                    ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

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        2. Cagsil profile image82
          Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          If that were actually true. So what? You must like to hear yourself talk. Again, it's that ego thing.
          Now, ask me I care that you believe that?
          Not likely. I have searched inside myself and no one, not you or any other living creature on this whole planet is going to tell me that there's some G/god inside me.

          I know the teachings of Jesus and you don't follow him. You claim to believe and know him, but your actions state otherwise and this post is just another tirade from someone who was abused when younger. You can tell yourself all you want that you're healed, but if that was the case, then you would have no reason to talk about it, unless you're attempting to boost your own self esteem or self confidence.

          1. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
            ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Did your really read the teachings of JESUS. Did you read where HE took a whip and overturned the money-changers tables in the TEMPLE and sent them flying in every direction?

            HE was violent with sickness and disease when he drove it out of people and with the pigs that went screaming and squealing down a the hill and drowned in the lake in the pigs

            YOU haven't read everything Jesus did because it isn't all written down. And why do you keep saying that since HE IS GOD and YOU DON't EVEN believe in HIM?

            So YOU DO believe in HIM after all you keep pointing HIM out to me as an example.

            1. Cagsil profile image82
              Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Nice sentence structure. I've read the bible several times. I've researched it specifically, as well as world history and many other topics connected. I know what the bible says so you can quit posting scripture.
              Pure fiction.
              It all isn't written down? So you're claiming that the Bible, including all other religions which mention him, don't have the full story, but you do? roll
              I'm not saying he is a G/god. I'm willing to go out on a limb and believe the man existed. But, not as any religious book would speak of. I don't believe in him. I have no reason to believe in him. I have a clear understanding of his overall message, but without the mysticism junk most apply to it.
              I point him out hoping you would see how your actions are counterproductive compared to Jesus' true teachings. Yet, your ego continues to get in the way of such attempts. Please grow in awareness so that you can see that your ego is preventing you from understanding and perceiving.

              1. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
                ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                YOU are attacking our FAITH. YOU are saying in indirect words that I and all other believers in YHVH, or what scripture tells us that we are idiots for believing a fairy tale

                that is verbal abuse.

                1. Cagsil profile image82
                  Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  No my dear. I'm attacking the irrationality of your belief. The basis for it.
                  Actually, it's not verbal abuse by any stretch of a lunatic's mind, much less the people who think irrationally and form irrational beliefs based on nothing more then someone else interpretation of Jesus' teachings.

                  1. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
                    ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    reported

                  2. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
                    ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    go read CS Lewis and Josh McDowell then come call us idiots

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          Sooner28posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Telling God to turn someone into an animal that eats grass sounds much more like bullying than a theological disagreement.

          1. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
            ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            ????

            telling God? No one tells God to do anything and I know that, duh


            I KNOW that my God won't do that, that is my frustration and sorry humor.
            These guys are merely putting people down left and right and have been told over and over and over and over that their words are

            demeaning
            belittling
            offensive
            humiliating abuse
            they refuse to stop

      3. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
        ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Techniques of Bullying
        from hub posted by ksinll
        do we see this happening here against those that KNOW YHVH?
        That may be reason enough to get them banned from hubpages there is tons of proof all over the "Christian" bashing

        wars





        - Negating or criticizing your efforts without giving direction for improvement

        - Contradicting your ideas without justification

        - Using emotional guilt trips to prevent you from retaliating


        - Neglecting to give you important information

        1. artblack01 profile image80
          artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          By this standard everyone arguing for or against should be banned, EVERYONE!

      4. Cagsil profile image82
        Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        @Chris Neal-

        Here is the explanation you apparently missed in this thread.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You are wasting your time. Chris does not believe in reading anything and will simply make facts up to suit. He is here to fight only - no debate or discussion with this one. He seems to get his jollies this way like a lot of christians. sad

          1. Cagsil profile image82
            Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Hey Mark, I know. It's like talking to an empty hand. lol

            1. Chris Neal profile image84
              Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              And you say you don't call names!

              Again, interesting...

          2. Chris Neal profile image84
            Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Hmmm....

            I think someone said they hate hypocrites? Was that Mark Knowles?

            And wasn't it Mark Knowles who said it was rude to talk about him when he wasn't there after he had already done it about me and then would proceed to do it again?

            Interesting....

        2. Chris Neal profile image84
          Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Thanks (I think.)

          Of course you know I don't agree with a lot of that.

          But again, you call names. You asked me where you do that. You don't come out and call someone an idiot, but you might as well.

          And I still don't understand you. You talk about what "Jesus meant" but this is exactly the kind of thing you would say that had me believing you are an atheist.

          1. artblack01 profile image80
            artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Judge not lest ye be.... Nevermind, no one believes that especially not Christians.

            1. Chris Neal profile image84
              Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              On  the contrary, some of us try very hard to live by that.

              Ironically, it's probably the most often quoted Scripture by non-believers.

              1. artblack01 profile image80
                artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I have yet to see ANY Christian truly live by that.

                1. Chris Neal profile image84
                  Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  All I can say is, it ain't easy.

                  1. artblack01 profile image80
                    artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Anything that you truly desire is easy.

    6. Dirling profile image81
      Dirlingposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Free Will. We have the ability to choose to do good or ill as we please.  I believe that people are basically decent, yet within all of us resides the ability to do evil. Which is why we have law.

    7. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
      ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      He is the Rock! His works are perfect. All His ways are just. A faithful Judge, Father, King, Redeemer Who does no wrong,who is upright and just. Deuteronomy 32:4

      1. Josak profile image61
        Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        HHAHAHA seriously the world is perfect?  People are perfect? Where do you live?

    8. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
      ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      He shall very, very, very soon. In the meantime He is calling for people to come back to Him and receive power to overcome the 'bad' habits and faults that cause them to not be nice.

    9. Rhonda D Johnson profile image79
      Rhonda D Johnsonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      The paradox is that while Christians argue for freewill, they are unwittingly arguing against eternal salvation.    They have to believe in both freewill and God's omniscience because God could not promise eternal salvation to those he has no control over.  Without controlling their behavior he can not prmise that they will eternally qualify as citizens of a Heaven whee there will be no sin.  We could argue forever,  but they know if they cede to reason the whole thing collapses.  How long can we keep saying the same things to people who have already said all that they intend to say?

      1. Chris Neal profile image84
        Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        The hypothesis that God can only offer eternal salvation to those He has control over is a little overstated. Yes, we should willingly give ouselves to Him, but He doesn't take away our personalities.

        And if paradox can be true for things like Jesus being fully God and fully human, why can't it be acceptable for God having omniscience and man having free will?

        (Yes, Mark, I know you don't accept it, but that's not what I meant...)

  2. kess profile image61
    kessposted 4 years ago

    Its a simple case of not knowing.....

    Firstly who God is, then that result in not knowing who his sons are.

    So those you see and crittersize and sons of God most likely are not....and that too is dependant on whether you yourself are not doing the samethings....

    Jypocrites never ever ever see God...but they are most vocal in crittercism

  3. SpanStar profile image60
    SpanStarposted 4 years ago

    How is it that God has given mankind dominion over the earth and the freedom to create what ever kind of society we choose. Apparently the kind of society that we have chosen is hatred, suspicion, greed, killing, war, etc. and we are the perpetrators of these events but we placed the blame on God for the evils that we are doing.

  4. artblack01 profile image80
    artblack01posted 4 years ago

    I think that is an irrelevant question....  why?  Because his actions in themselves show that he is not All knowing, Almighty and Omnipotent or all good.  Take Job for example.  God placed a bet with Satan to see if Job would turn away from God....  now if you are an all knowing all powerful being why would you place a bet with ANYONE?  And WHY would anyone be stupid enough to place a bet with you knowing that you would lose?  So this whole thing about Satan being such a clever liar is idiotic.  So anyway, if you are all powerful and all knowing, you would know that Satan is about to destroy the life of your most loyal servant and you are going to let him suffer (because when you go to heaven it'll be all better?  That is like cutting off someones Body parts with no anesthetic and then sewing better ones back on....  REALLY?!  You may be better than ever but your life was destroyed, mentally....  and for Job, do you think his family and slaves will forgive him or God?  Oh, but it's okay, because the Family and Slaves weren't as loyal as Job.....

    In the end it just shows that one, God is not Good, and he is also not all knowing or all powerful.  In fact he sounds like he is the mirror image of Satan....  perhaps God is a guy with a split personality and he is simultaneously God and Satan....  The Bible is a twisted fairy tale.

    1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
      HeadlyvonNogginposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      It clearly wasn't a bet. More of a debate regarding the nature of free will. The whole purpose of life, the bible, job, all of that, is to teach all of us the nature of free will and why there must still be a central focus in all things for everything to work.

      It's the equivalent of the Avengers, to let my inner nerd show. Each human is incredibly powerful in our ability to create or destroy. Any large cooperative project, any collaborative effort of any kind, any team of superheroes, no matter how talented or capable or wise the individuals, must still have a central focus and purpose. A team lead that all respect and follow. Businesses use it. The military uses it. It's just plain necessary.

      God illustrated to Satan through Job that these beings He created were capable of remaining focused on what's important without being overridden by their own will to rebel if they don't like what's happening. Job's will didn't override and determine that what he found important didn't take priority over what God deems important. Satan attempted to make the point that beings with free will can be pushed to lose respect for or faith in their leadership. God obliged. We all learned something.

      1. artblack01 profile image80
        artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Face palm, did you read what I wrote, it doesnt matter what the reason for it was, a debate makes it no better, Hello! Omnipotent/omniscient! Not to mention that both the nature of omniscience and the nature of how humanity actually functions negates the idea of free will. Take even the concept of critical thinking skills, for which the believer does not possess in any way, cannot counter act animal stimulus response.

        1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
          HeadlyvonNogginposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You're missing the point. God is omniscient. We're not. He knows the outcome. We don't. This isn't for His benefit. It's for ours. Life is for our benefit. God wants us to have free will, but we have to be able to wield it responsibly. Everything He has done is to teach us. As we've proven throughout history, we can't just be told. He can write down the ground rules in rock. We'll break them. He can explain it to us. We don't get it. Like children we learn best by experience. Wisdom cannot be given. It must be earned.

          Just because God knows what you'll do doesn't mean you don't have to the choice to do it. He still allows you to do whatever you wish. He respects your free will and will not override it, though He's capable. Critical thinking does not lead one to the conclusion that omniscience and free will can't coexist. Just knowing what you'll do doesn't take away your ability to do it.

          And yes, our will overrides animal instinct all the time. And many times our allowing animal instinct to override our critical thinking is what often gets us into trouble. We have a lot to learn. That's why we're here.

          1. artblack01 profile image80
            artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            So in other words you are saying god wanted to teach us a lesson of love and simultaneous teach us that he's an evil ignorant monster?

            And no you can't choose to do something which is not in your nature or knowingly against your best interests. Hence, why free will is nonsense.

            1. Mark Knowles profile image60
              Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              But, but - it's the only way they can explain away evil and not make it god's creation. God is only good. lol

              This concept is one of the reasons I rejected their nonsense in the first place and the reason these guys are so aggressive.

              This is one of several dichotomies that makes their Invisible, Omnipotent Super Being impossible.

              1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
                HeadlyvonNogginposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                How does this make God impossible?

                1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                  Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Sorry you didn't understand. See above. wink

                2. artblack01 profile image80
                  artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  What makes God impossible is his very nature, he contradicts every definition that defines him for the sake of what?  Teaching us a lesson?  How does turning a woman into a pillar of salt for looking back at the destruction of a city by a hateful God teach us anything?
                  People of faith refuse to read between the lines because it would cause them to question their own faith and prove to them that their own God is not good and has very human characteristics because he is a character created by humans.
                  A Human's wishlist for a God especially back in those days is some guy with supernatural powers that created everything and deals justice how we would want to do ourselves even though such a being would not actually do such a thing. Or logically need to.
                  The way you would determine if a lesson is either unnecessary or wrong is to think of an alternative lesson that teaches the same thing.
                  If I were omnipotent and all knowing why would I need to debate with Satan on the nature of freewill?  And if I wanted to teach the human's a lesson on free will I wouldn't need to do it IN THE BIBLE.
                  Showing you exist to your followers does not negate freewill or free choice.  Obama exists, he's the president, he runs the nation, how many people choose to follow him and how many people choose not to follow him....  and how many people just don't care?

            2. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
              HeadlyvonNogginposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              You see His actions as monstrous and you're allowed, but that doesn't make it so. Some may consider the training that navy seals go through as monstrous, but it prepares them. Our delicate modern sensibilities make a lot of things seem monstrous to us. We're kind of spoiled.

              "And no you can't choose to do something which is not in your nature or knowingly against your best interests. Hence, why free will is nonsense."

              If that were true there would be no fat people and no suicides.

              1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Key word being "knowingly."  wink

                1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
                  HeadlyvonNogginposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I'm pretty sure most suicides were 'knowingly' carried out. Someone who chooses to take their own life must override the body's instinct to survive by physically taking action to kill the body. Even fat people, myself being larger than I should be so I can speak on the topic, often eat or drink things they know they shouldn't, that aren't healthy.

                  Free will wants what it wants. Many times those wants are selfish and don't take into account the affect it will have on others or even ourselves. Free will is powerful and only a life like this could prepare a being to wield it.

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                    Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Sorry you didn't understand. Denial is a powerful thing. Look at the nonsense you believe. wink

                    You can eat what you want - it will not affect you - will it? lol

                    "Knowingly," against their best interests?

                  2. artblack01 profile image80
                    artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    "Free will wants what it wants. Many times those wants are selfish and don't take into account the affect it will have on others or even ourselves."

                    Wants, you can't not want something that you want?  And why would you kill yourself?  Why is anything you do not selfish?  Suicidals don't do it because they are selfish they do it because they are in pain.
                    A friend of mine killed himself last year, not because he was selfish but because he was selfless, he believed he was the cause for the pain of the ones he loved, whether or not that was true was not for us to know.
                    But I can tell you he had a drinking problem for which he fought hard.  How can you fight a choice?  Because it's not a choice.  Hence, why free will is an illusion.  think of something you do that you can't stop, in order to counter act nature you have to force it, and sometimes forcing something you have a natural tendency to do, can have unseen harmful effects on you or everyone you know.  Freewill and free choice are not the same.

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                    Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    The subconscious is powerful, but it has nothing to do with free will. Our conscious mind is in constant check with our subconscious mind. Your conscious mind doesn't want cake, that your subconscious mind saying "go to the fridge and eat all the cake and grab a beer, do it, do it". Your conscious mind mostly will say "dude, it's not even 9 am yet, lets go get a muffin and coffee". We are not aware of what the subconscious mind is saying, but people that are more conscious (aware) make better choices.

              2. artblack01 profile image80
                artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Headly, the world and nature being what it is the necessity for such actions as preparing us for such hardships is redundant. And being redundant, to take such action as is demonstrated in the book of Job and be label responsible for it makes God morally and spiritually reprehensible.
                Meaning, not only is he a monster but he is also a coward and a selfish prick and not worthy of being worshipped by anyone.
                As far as fat people and suicides, yes there would be, why? Because people who get fat don't have a choice, their lifestyle has led to a certain amount of unrestraint (ever wonder where the term weak willed comes from?) the nature of addiction is the inability to choose, your body has chosen for you. As far as suicides go, that is a very stupid example...  and shows a certain amount of insensitivity and ignorance on your part to why people commit suicide.

              3. artblack01 profile image80
                artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                As far as allowed, what's stopping me or anyone from seeing this?  It's not choice, I can't all of a sudden see a serial killer as a good person and never will.
                Look at yourself, trying to convince me that God is good, you have been taught to believe God is a good person and do everything in your power to prove it to me because if I can be made to believe then your life wouldn't have been wasted on believing in someone who is evil.

                1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
                  HeadlyvonNogginposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  You're assuming way too much about my motivations. I do not ever expect to convince you. I'm simply pointing out errors in logic in a discussion I can't resist. These are questions important to ever human being. They go right to the heart of what it means to be human. I'm not witnessing to non-believers or advancing some religious agenda.

                  Traditional religion alone is inadequate to explain things. A godless existence, especially at the level we now understand it to be, is also inadequate if you really think about it. I just like to encourage smart people to think and push conversations forward when they get stagnant.

                  1. artblack01 profile image80
                    artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I never assume anything, I simply point to things that are true. Things that have been demonstrated to be true. 
                    "I'm simply pointing out errors in logic in a discussion I can't resist."
                    Did you just prove that you have no free will????  YOU CAN'T RESIST is the very definition of no free will.
                    You can't correctly define what it is to be human and the Bible doesn't have anything to do with modern understanding of the human condition, it is outdated in that respect.
                    "A godless existence, especially at the level we now understand it to be, is also inadequate if you really think about it. "
                    You'd have to prove this statement because it is the most illogical and irrational one I have seen from you lately.

    2. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
      ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      God stepped down from HIS throne on the highest heaven and 'put on' mortal human flesh. He walked the earth and healed the sick and cast out demons.
      HE destroyed evil

      HE prevented the stage IV cancer that was supposed to have spread through my entire lymph system from killing me and I did not need chemo or radiation.

      HE hung on a tree after having been flogged, beaten and having HIS flesh shredded to empower us to conquer evil. THE SPIRIT in man is stronger than the flesh..

      After all HE took from Roman soldiers, HE cried Father forgive them. They don't know what they do." with force and power

      The spirit of a man is what sustains him
      flesh profits nothing

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        SirDentposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Amen!!!

    3. Claire Evans profile image90
      Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Since God is often Satan in the OT, I'm not surprised people are confused.

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        Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        So now even God is sometimes Satan?

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    Larry Wallposted 4 years ago

    God created mankind with free will. Jesus came to earth so that he could die for our sin, "Whosoever believes in me shall not die but have everylasting life." Because God gave us Free Will, everyone has not chosen to believe in him and until that universal belief is accepted, there are going to be problems, wars, abuse and all of the other things we experience on a daily basis. We had paradise once, I cannot tell you if it was a small garden or covered the world. I cannot tell you if we lost it overnight or over time. I cannot tell if that when we had paradise we were as we are today and after paradise, the process of evolution had to start over. I cannot tell you and no one on this earth can tell you.God has a plan. Believe in that plan. Quit trying to second guess or outsmart God, you are going to lose every time. Believe in him. Believe in the teachings of Jesus, love your neighbor, help your fellow man. These are the steps we have to take.

    1. artblack01 profile image80
      artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Define free will.
      "Quit trying to second guess or outsmart God" it's not about second guessing him it's about proving to the believer that God is fictional and also showing the believer why we have chosen to NOT believe in him....  his very nature contradicts his very nature.

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        Larry Wallposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Define free will:

        My right to Believe in God as the Creator of the Universe and to believe that Jesus is may savior, if I believe in him.

        My right to believe in an after life.

        My right to disagree with you.

        I cannot prove God exists. I accept it on faith.

        You cannot prove that God does not exist.

        Thus wanting us to think about it as you pose the question is really a waste of time.

        I have thought about it. I believe I and other believers are right and you and those that think like you are wrong. The one difference is that the believers will pay for you in the hope that you become believers. You cannot pray that I quit believing, because you have no one to pray to--if you do, then you must be a believer of some sort.

        There are a lot of fourms and questions all dealing with this are similar issues right now. No one is offering anything new. I doubt that one mind has been change because the issue is being discussed in an antagonistic format--I will accept my share of the guilt--but plenty lies on  your end.

        Why do you care if people chose to believe. What better alternative do you have for them--the freedom to be released from all moral restraints. I will keep my faith and follow my Lord.
        Thank you.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image60
          Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          So - as far as you are concerned - the opposite of believing the nonsense you believe is no moral restraint?

          What would you be doing if you didn't believ in majik?

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            Larry Wallposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            It shows me that when you do not have a valid argument, your only recourse is to result to insult and you are placing yourself above God in that you think your viewpoint is the only viewpoint that people should have. I will definitely pray for you--you need all the prayers you can get.

        2. artblack01 profile image80
          artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Belief is not free will it is free choice, there is a difference.

          Free will is the ability of agents to make choices free from certain kinds of constraints.
          However, you are constrained to choose something for which has no evidence for it's existence and it requires faith to believe.  But just because you chose to believe in it doesn't mean that you did it through free will.

          "You cannot prove that God does not exist." I can prove that the Biblical God doesn't exist and I have many times, and I have in a hub I wrote, but you, having no free will cannot go, oh, I only choose to believe in what is true, I believe because I have no choice, I have faith.

          faith is opposed to reason. Faith is confidence or trust in a person or entity.  So even if you found that your God were not true, you would still choose to believe in him and you would be in denial over that choice being wrong or your God being proven wrong, you would contradict the very truth that God is fictional.

          I don't care if you believe in something that is nonsense, but when you publicly announce you believe in something someone else does not you invite a response positive and negative.  So why do I respond to you?  Because I am here to debate anything for which I disagree with, I am here to argue FOR what I feel is right, true, real and GOOD.

          "What better alternative do you have for them--the freedom to be released from all moral restraints"  I am totally repulsed by this statement.
          I fight for what is moral and good.  There is no freedom of moral restraint and never will be.  No matter what the ideological belief system is (except nihilism and chaos anarchists).  An atheist is a very moral person, I am an extremely moral person. 
          Look at the things I am against:
          Hate, murder, rape, violence of any kind towards others, incest, slavery, racism, sexism, theft, breaking any sort of social contract (adultery, back stabbing, lying, cheating, or any other agreement between two or more people).  How am I immoral?  You can follow whomever you choose, mickey mouse, donald duck, superman, it doesn't matter, just don't preach to others and EXPECT to not be argued against, I am not mad that you are doing it yourself to me, I am angry that you are a total hypocrite,

  6. MickeySr profile image86
    MickeySrposted 4 years ago

    You first qualify what will be your question with the information "If God is Almighty, Omnipotent, All knowing etc" but then your question "why he do not stop the bad things his children are doing and the bad things happening with his children?" is not based on your qualifier but is based on your own assumption that God is not stopping what (you likewise assume) is bad. In other words, the only way your question makes any sense is if we start with two giant assumptions; first, that things His children are doing and things happening with His children are bad - ans second, that He is not stopping these.

    You (we all) are looking at Niagara Falls through a 12" B&W tv screen and evaluating it's beauty and wonder. God is in eternity, we are in time . . . He is before, during, and after all that we experience as our current now, He is not bound by time, not restricted by one moment passing as the next takes it's place before about be intrudes, etc, etc. There is no analogy in our material reality that properly compares; if 2 ants start at one end of a field and head for the other end, and one covers that distance in 16 minutes and the other one covers it in 14 minutes, that is inconsequential to us, we would make no distinction but say it takes an ant about 15 minutes to cross that field - but to the ants that 2 minutes may seem a lifetime. Or, if my teapot is whistling and after I turn the burner off you enter the room, you may ask why I'm not doing anything about the whistling teapot - because it takes a few moments for the burner temperature to drop enough for the teapot to stop whistling.

    In other words, how do you know God is not stopping what you are calling "bad" from happening . . ? . . because it doesn't look like it to you, because it's not happening fast enough for you? I reject your premise, I believe God IS stopping evil and is doing so according to His own plan and purpose, whether it fits yours or my own private notions about how things ought to be or not.

    1. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
      ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Well said.

      1. MickeySr profile image86
        MickeySrposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Thank you - I appreciate that and count it an encouragement.

        1. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
          ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You are welcome. It's really good to see intelligent truth.

    2. artblack01 profile image80
      artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      "In other words, the only way your question makes any sense is if we start with two giant assumptions"

      "God is in eternity, we are in time . . . He is before, during, and after all that we experience as our current now, He is not bound by time, not restricted by one moment passing as the next takes it's place before about be intrudes, etc, etc."

      Both are assumptions.

      In a hypothetical argument an assumption based on logic is allowed, God follows no logic and there is no logic to the existence, nature, character or necessity of any sort of God.
      There is not enough evidence to even conclude such a God exists.
      Any statement about God or the validity of the Bible is pure assumption and speculation.

      1. artblack01 profile image80
        artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

        "In other words, how do you know God is not stopping what you are calling "bad" from happening . . ? . . because it doesn't look like it to you, because it's not happening fast enough for you? I reject your premise, I believe God IS stopping evil and is doing so according to His own plan and purpose, whether it fits yours or my own private notions about how things ought to be or not." 
        If this is his way of "stopping" evil, then he is a very impotent or sadistic and evil God.

      2. MickeySr profile image86
        MickeySrposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        artblack01 ~

        MSr - "God is in eternity, we are in time"
        art - "Both are assumptions"

        It certainly isn't an assumption that we exist in time - whatever terms we want to use for it and however we understand or misunderstand it, we observably exist in a circumstance of past, present, and future . . . this, as I'm writing, is not the same moment (however we phrase it or understand it) as the moment you wrote what I'm responding to, and when you read this it will not be in the same moment I am in now writing it, etc. There's no assumption about it, we live in a linear time reality.

        As to God existing in eternity, outside of time, this is no mere assumption . . . I didn't just make that up or conclude in my own head that this must be the case - this is what God reveals to us as the truth in Scripture. I recognize you reject Scripture as owning and presenting any manner of authoritative truth, I'm only saying here that asserting that God exists in a timeless eternity is not mere assumption, it is based on an assertion made in a text I do count to be authoritative . . . and that in itself is no mere, or pure, assumption, or speculation . . .

        art - "Any statement about God or the validity of the Bible is pure assumption and speculation"

        I do not, and did not, assume or speculate that there is a God and that the Bible presents a valid revelation of Him. I was not raised to believe this and I assumed nothing. I read the Bhagavad Gita, Dhammapada, Koran, Apocryphal books, etc, etc. I examined the textual record of the ancient documents and investigated the historic development of translations, etc, of the Christian Bible. Because God is an invisible Spirit and because so many so indiscriminately adopt some goofy religious scenario in their lives doesn't mean that anyone who believes there is a spiritual reality in addition to the material reality we can observe, that any statement about God or the validity of the Bible, must be operating under the circumstances of mere assumption and pure speculation.

        art - "If this is his way of "stopping" evil, then he is a very impotent or sadistic and evil God"

        You're evidencing my point; so if you walked into a room and found one fellow with a cookie and another without a cookie you would 'know' this was unfair? If you walked into a room with a whistling teapot you would know that nothing has been done to stop it's whistling? Because you can't see any purpose or plan to how things are falling out in this world you know that (if there was a god) that God must be impotent? Because He's not doing things your way He must be unable to do anything at all? And, how do you come to determine God must be evil? Where do you get a notion of evil, or good, from? If there is no God then how do you come to own the idea that there is even such things as good and evil? Where did good and evil come from?

        1. artblack01 profile image80
          artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          You make many assumptions.
          Let's begin:
          First you took my statement out of context, cherry picker.
          When I said both are assumptions I meant God is eternity and He is not bound by time.  The main assumption being that God exists.  Perhaps I wasn't clear enough but then again you never asked for clarity you just jumped to another assumption.  You can examine any records on mythology and assume they are true all you like, it doesn't make them true.

          "Because God is an invisible Spirit "  Another assumption on the existence of God.

          "one fellow with a cookie and another without a cookie you would 'know' this was unfair? "  The answer to that is obviously no.

          "Because you can't see any purpose or plan to how things are falling out in this world you know that (if there was a god) that God must be impotent? "  Any reference to a God having reason or purpose or being a part of our lives in any way shape or form is assumption on your part and is not a believe I have.  I do not believe in God, I don't think God has anything to do with reality.  And I don't see the state of anything good or bad as proof of his existence or nonexistence, they have nothing to do with each other.  The commentary about his impotence is more of a snide joke.
          I don't see God having any place in this universe, he is an unnecessary explanation for anything needing an explanation, he is the God of the gaps, meaning things whose causes are unknown for you would be caused by God for me would simply be, NOT YET KNOWN.  God has nothing to do with anything.

          Good and Evil are human concepts of pain and justice.  Anger and happiness.  It is a social understanding that didn't come from any deity, every culture has a different deity and a slightly different sense of good and evil but they are all based on the same concepts of feeling good or feeling bad and the causes and effects of ones actions.  God has nothing to do with it.

          1. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
            ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            It's a good thing God believes you're real or you wouldn't be ...

            1. artblack01 profile image80
              artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              And it's a good thing Thor is real or we wouldn't know when it was gonna rain, it's a good thing Ra is real or we wouldn't have the sun, it's a good thing leprechauns are real or I couldn't get my pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.... Etc.

              To think God has anything to do with anything is completely foolish, especially when one has a more realistic alternate explanation for just about everything we have now.

              1. ShalahChayilJOY profile image59
                ShalahChayilJOYposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Well, I don't particularly like the name "God" as it does imply so many different images of 'gods' made in the minds of men

                There I agree with you on that-god, the idea any individual holds of a supreme being made in their image boxed into their box

                How does the earth stay in its orbit around the sun?
                How do the stars stay in place in the sky?

                How is it possible that H2O can take the form of liquid, steam or ice? How does snow fit in there? is it ice? sort of but not quite?

                Why do you believe there is no Creator that made man in His own image and hung all the stars in the sky and called the sun, the moon and all the things created into being and order?

                I cannot prove otherwise
                I just would like to know why you don't believe

                1. artblack01 profile image80
                  artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  All those questions have answers and thanks to the Internet you can easily obtain them. I recommend minute physics on youtube for a fun look at why the earth doesn't fall into the sun. All those questions have been answered. The reason I don't believe in a creator is because there doesn't need to be one. Many of the events going on in the world and observable universe have been explained and on a small scale replicated... If you have a question, one that you would normally attribute to a god, you can find a non-god type answer in science websites.

                  I have a hub that explains why god is not needed for the universe to exist.

                  There are many smaller reasons but the biggest is god (no matter what you call it) is man made, and nothing more than an idea to explain what we cannot, or could not at the time.

      3. Chris Neal profile image84
        Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Not true. The only reason to state that to know anything about the validity of God of the Bible is to make an assumption.

        Using the Bible as the basis for what we can know about God, there are indeed parameters and sets of logical rules.

        1. Cagsil profile image82
          Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          It's all assumption on believers' part because they are told to believe or else.
          None of which actually coincide with true logical rules. Again, using the bible to validate itself is foolish.

          1. Chris Neal profile image84
            Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I take it back. You make assumptions about a lot more than I gave you credit for.

            You don't actually know everything I've said about my own experiences, do you?

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Even though I don't think JC is not the only light , the way and the truth. I don't know what your experience have been or what goes on behind your eyeballs Chris,

              I can only go by what makes good sense, some of JC makes good  sense.  It's just not the be all and end all bible attitude that makes us all get along with other group egos or myself in a friendlier world.

              Cagsil dose not consider well enough where you are coming from and where you are going and just calls spiritual ideas BS , irrational or foolish is his theme. Until some day he will have to accept the fact that we are all spiritual being first, having human experiences, for now it makes him madder than hell.

              1. Chris Neal profile image84
                Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I don't like to assume too much about anybody, even Cagsil, because I have done it in the past and it usually came back on me. And also because I hate it when other people do the same about me.

                It's difficult to carry on a decent conversation, sometimes. The trick is to not get too carried away your own self.

                1. Cagsil profile image82
                  Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  No trick Chris. With the right knowledge and a specific understanding, it is something which you can teach yourself. wink

                  1. Chris Neal profile image84
                    Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I'd like to think so, but as my interaction with you and with others has taught me, it's something I must be constantly on guard against.

              2. artblack01 profile image80
                artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                It's an assumption not based on reality that we are spiritual beings or that there is a spiritual realm.

            2. Cagsil profile image82
              Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I'm sure you've had experiences Chris. I'm not doubting those or dismissing them. I guess you really don't seem to understand that the bible itself cannot validate itself. It's ignorant to claim it should be able to do that, when we as a collective species don't do that with any other book in existence.

              Any information gathered and displayed in any book published to the masses is meaningless when it comes by a mystic based ideology.

              All religious books in existence are exactly that- based on mystical theory. Decades ago it was deemed that anything in the "mystical" realm and stated would be considered intellectual dishonesty of the individual.

              There's absolutely NOTHING mystical about Human Consciousness, which is the cause for "mystical" theories. It's thinking without understanding. Mystics in the day and age Jesus walked the Earth were in greater numbers than those who were not. Why? is a question you should be asking yourself. If you don't know, then go find out.

              And, I'm sorry, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with a G/god that is written in any book on this planet.

              It does have to do with where humankind was at in it's own development.

              Aside from that- As I have stated time and time again on the forums, and apparently must repeat myself.

              The G/god of Christianity is not probable or not possible. Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnipotent cannot exist in one place. To say that it does, is completely outside any rules of logic.

              1. Chris Neal profile image84
                Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                That last statement, I agree with.

                Which is why I've said often that you cannot fit God into human conceptions. I thank you for not dismissing my experiences, and I'm sure you probably disagree with what they ultimately are. If you read the hub, you would know that I was not the kind of person who was ripe for any kind of "mystical experience." I wasn't lost, I wasn't looking, and I wasn't surrounded by much in the way of religion or spirituality, let alone "mainstream" Christianity. I thought it was all pretty silly, when I bothered to think about it at all.

                I understand what you're saying and once upon a time I would have agreed with you.

                The way the Bible validates itself is by fulfilling prophecies written thousands of years before. It's the only religious book that does that. But it's hard to wrap your mind around it. I have trouble. Admittedly, I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but still, I know there are things that don't make sense and I have to take on faith. I hope that doesn't cause you to grind your teeth, but the fact is that there is enough that has been proven to me that I can do that.

        2. artblack01 profile image80
          artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Chris, to use the Bible as basis for anything, contradicts any logical and testable facts we currently have about history and nature. Nothing in the Bible has ever been verifiable without making assumptions to it's claims. We assume that just because someone states that they saw God or they spoke to God or they witnessed something miraculous then we can conclude that it's true.  However, there are flaws in that idea.  First of all, we can not take testimony as a statement of fact, otherwise we might as well conclude that the millions who have either seen or experienced UFOs and Alien Abductions are telling the truth of are not mentally unstable.  Second, most of the testimony written in the Bible is based off of oral statements from several generations, we can conclude that they are not EYE witness testimonies.  There is NO first hand written testimony confirming anything miraculous the Bible has said anywhere in history.  Any true event is based off of primitive understanding of events in their world and most natural phenomenon we take for granted they would attribute to a deity's influence and will.

          1. Chris Neal profile image84
            Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Be careful of absolute statements. I assume what you mean is that none of the miraculous things in the Bible can be independently verified, but you have stated that nothing at all can be independently verified, which is not true. There is archeological evidence all over the place in the Middle East that verifies the history of the Bible.

            I wrote a hub. I say it often, but it just saves time. There's a reason I accept the Bible and it's not blind faith and it's certainly not because of any "indoctrination" I received in my youth.

            To someone who has never known God, either intimately or vicariously, I can understand how the Bible seems to contradict all kinds of logic. I used to be that person who thinks that way. But the fact is that even if you don't believe, there are too many unanswered questions to simply dismiss the Bible. It's also why so many are so eager to believe in extraterrestrials.

            1. artblack01 profile image80
              artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I am not saying that there is not some historic basis to the Bible, it was written by people of that era, it was their primitive explanations for the events that occurred and therefore they would use what we would call supernatural explanations for things they had no logical or rational explanations for.  They would make up stories, characters and even sometimes events, like explaining how and why a volcano destroyed an entire city (they were all sinners and God was punishing them).
              The most you can do with the Bible is treat it like a book of folk tales and legends and myths.  There is a history present but it's to be taken with a grain of salt.  Same with extra terrestrials, what is that UFO in the sky, an alien? of course it could be a plane or a bird or even a reflection.  It's called arguing from ignorance, you can't explain something so you argue that the only thing it could be is God or UFOs or Ghosts, but you have no evidence of this, yet you still suggest because there is not an explanation that you are aware of it must be God.

              1. Chris Neal profile image84
                Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Yeah, I understand what you're saying and to some extent there is truth to that. All I can say, I have heard from God. I know that usually cuts off a lot of people right there, but if you read the hub you'll see what I believe and why. It's not arguing from ignorance. You may very well say that I'm arguing from delusion (you certainly would not be alone) but it's not from what I don't know.

                1. artblack01 profile image80
                  artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I won't say what I think of that since you probably already know or think you know what I would say.  You do know what I mean when I say arguing from ignorance (which is the same as arguing from delusion)?  You see, hear or feel something for which you have no rational explanation for nor evidence to prove concretely something for which you believe, so you use a supernatural explanation for which no one can truly repeat or document such an event with any amount of accuracy.
                  Ever hear of the origins of the Chupacabra?  It's a great story and I love to tell it.

                  1. Chris Neal profile image84
                    Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I looked it up in Wikipedia. Quite a story!

                    Okay, I understand you a little better now. Actually, I learn quite a bit in these forums.

                    Had I just had the one experience, I would be more likely to agree with you. But I've had a string of experiences that fit a pattern far too neatly, and fit in with my understanding of God. I have had experiences that I couldn't explain and didn't fit the pattern and I don't know what to make of them. I'm not that quick to try to explain things.
                    I've also had experiences that I don't discuss.

                    It's also not like I never think about and wonder about these things. I've thought long and hard about them. I'm not the smartest guy, it's true, but I'm not the dumbest either.

  7. Druid Dude profile image61
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    IF: God exists and is as described, then it is not an assumption, it is, in fact, the only possible explaination. But, that is if God exists and is as described. One question. How the heck did Moses know to describe something in such a way so as to keep the argument going for 3-4000 years? Must've been a pretty sharp oookie.

    1. artblack01 profile image80
      artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      There are plenty of religions that start out that way that have existed longer than 3000-4000 years, Hinduism is far older.  There are also new religions growing rapidly, like Scientology, and will probably be around for ever as well.

  8. Grim Master profile image61
    Grim Masterposted 4 years ago

    Many believers should know heaven can't exist on earth either, so why do they purge and kill in his name trying make the world a perfect place when they can just wait to die to go to their sanctuary?

    1. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Well, with an attitude like that, how do you expect to get to Oz?

  9. paradigmsearch profile image89
    paradigmsearchposted 4 years ago

    "If God ... is all knowing etc.etc....."

    Just to be on the safe side, I sent him a postcard.

  10. MizBejabbers profile image92
    MizBejabbersposted 4 years ago

    Why would all knowing, omnipotent God admit to making a mistake:
    1 Samuel 15:10-11 where he said he "regrets making Saul king?"

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Because those men who invented him were mostly illogical primitive men who had no idea how a god should think.  But even more worrisome is modern educated humans still put faith in these old story tellers and run their lives according to those old myths.

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    2. Druid Dude profile image61
      Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Rumour has it around the Palace that he said the same thing about Obama!smile

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I'd wager this is just as true as any other thing you have suggested on these forums and based on equally factual evidence.  roll

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      2. Druid Dude profile image61
        Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        WAS I ADDRESSING YOU? The answer...maybe. How rude! Unlike many atheists, you don't seem to have a clue what is written in the bible. Because I say this...you think that, and because I said that, you think this. Just assume that I don't make any sense to you, leave it at that, and go bother someone your bothering bothers.

        1. artblack01 profile image80
          artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          It sounded like you did in the comment after he commented, you shouldn't have commented to his comment if you weren't commenting addressing him in his comment to you before your last comment....

        2. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          No problem, Dude.  Your assumptions concerning me are amusing, but not worthy of response anymore.  So yes, I have no problem ignoring your posts.  The same as I do the troll who posts in technicolor, the homophobic divorcee, or the ridiculous Mormon priest.  Perhaps you should converse with them.  I'm sure some commonalities can be found among you guys.  roll

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  11. Rhonda D Johnson profile image79
    Rhonda D Johnsonposted 4 years ago

    Maybe god's priorities are just different.  I remember one day I had a cup of water beside me on my desk.  I reached out to do something and almost knocked the cup over.  I thought if I were still a Christian, I would thank God for not letting me spill water all over my desk..  But it occurred to me that even as I sat there millions of Pakistanis were drowning in flood waters  What allows me to thank God for some petty favor while he ignores the pleas of those who are really suffering.  What allows me to think God has a purpose for my life but not for the other guy?

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      Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      That is a very good question. I've seen many Christians get angry with God because they thought they had done everything right and then tragedy strikes. They forget that life's not fair. There own arrogance leads them to think God is here for the sole purpose of protecting them. Then something bad happens and they say "Why? I did everything right, I go to church, I pray, I don't work on Sundays..."

      My motto is: S;i* happens to good people. And the reason S;i* happens to good people is there is no God watching over them.

    2. Chris Neal profile image84
      Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      What indeed? Why would you even think that? If God has a purpose for your life, He most certainly has a purpose for the Pakistani's as well.

      I would say it's sad that so many atheists and agnostics accuse us Christians of thinking that God only has us in mind and not the other people's, but there are too many who live that way. Which makes it even more sad.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, if the Pakistanis are Muslim, then your god does indeed have a purpose for them!  The same purpose he has for anyone else not a christian.  lol  They'll dry out quickly in the place he's got planned for them!  :lol;  Don't believe me, Chris?  Ask any Southern Baptist.  yikes

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        1. Chris Neal profile image84
          Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Yeah, but I'm not a Southern Baptist. I have my own beliefs and thoughts about these things.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image94
            Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            So do Southern Baptists, Chris!  Read your bible!  lol

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            1. Chris Neal profile image84
              Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I do! And nowhere does it say I must be a Southern Baptist! lol

  12. josh3418 profile image68
    josh3418posted 4 years ago

    If He were to stop His children from doing certain things, would that not make His children robots?  We have free will; He is certainly omniscient, so He knows what will do.  But, He still gives us that choice.  Yes, it saddens God to see His children do wrong in His name.  But, if He were to stop us from doing those things, would we not be perfect?

    1. autumn18 profile image68
      autumn18posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      If he knows what we will do before we do it then how do we have a choice? Isn't free will just an illusion then?

      1. Cagsil profile image82
        Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        What?

        1. autumn18 profile image68
          autumn18posted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I'm asking if we really have free will if our future actions are set in stone already.

          1. josh3418 profile image68
            josh3418posted 4 years ago in reply to this

            They are not set in stone, He just knows what we are going to choose.  For example, if I went to pick the blue shirt from the closet, He all ready knows.  Does that mean that the blue shirt was set in stone?  No, I could easily choose the red shirt.  He would know that I would choose the red shirt as well.

            1. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
              EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              If he already knows the decision you make, then your not going to choose something else, because you've already made the decision. The outcome is already set, all your doing is getting to it.

              1. josh3418 profile image68
                josh3418posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                So if someone offers me a million dollars, I have the choice to say yes.  God just because of his all knowing, knew I would say yes; this doesnt mean that I have to say yes, I can also say no, it is just that he would know that too

                1. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
                  EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  If he knows what choice your going to make, regardless of whether or not you "THINK" you actually have a choice there, then it's already predetermined. Otherwise he couldn't possibly know until you made the choice.

                  1. josh3418 profile image68
                    josh3418posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Why can't He possibly know?, is where I am coming from...I mean there are many things I can not explain about Him. Like why does he love me so much, that he chose to die on the cross for me, I do not know but I am sure glad for it!  God is unfathomable.  I do not have a reason for everything he does.

                  2. autumn18 profile image68
                    autumn18posted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    But if he's omniscient wouldn't it be impossible for him to NOT know everything possible whether you choose it or not? I admit the concept of omniscience is hard to wrap my head around.

                  3. Chris Neal profile image84
                    Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Why? Why is it not possible that God will know what will happen but the fact that we don't means we must make a choice? Does this also mean that if you can see the outcome of a situation that is developing (because of wisdom and experience) but the person(s) involved in the situation cannot, your knowledge of the outcome means that thier choices are predetermined and they therefor lack free will?

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            Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Yes, if you believe God has knowledge of the future then your choices have already been made. If you believe God has knowledge of a possible future then you may have free will. You can't have it both ways, free will and an all knowing God don't go together. That's the paradox.

            1. autumn18 profile image68
              autumn18posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I agree that it's a paradox. I was just under the impression that an omniscient God would have knowledge of all possible futures and also the future that your choices ultimately make. It doesn't matter to me whether we really have free will or if it's an illusion, I'm still living my life.

      2. Rhonda D Johnson profile image79
        Rhonda D Johnsonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Two points:
        1. The only way God can know what we will do before we do it is if it has already been decided.  if the future is immutable and destined to follow only one course then yes, free will is an illusion. if the future is forked and I can take whichever fork I choose and God already knows which fork I will take then all other forks are already false and again my free will is an illusion.

        2.  The argument of free will as an explanation for why God allows people to do evil betrays a lack of imagination on God's part.  It wasn't free will that allowed someone like Hitler to survive his childhood diseases.  There is not one patch of ground on this Earth where there is not something with the potential to take one's life. The airplanes that destroyed the World Trade Centers did not have any free will for God to violate.   If God is omnipotent and omniscient there are any number of things he can do to stop people from doing evil without violating their free will.

        1. Chris Neal profile image84
          Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          But if everything is predetermined then why do anything? We simply sit down and then, whether we want it to or not, our bodies will get up and do whatever we have been predetermined to do.

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            Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

            There is no paradox without the concept of God.

            1. Chris Neal profile image84
              Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I completely agree. It's just that I believe in God, therefore I accept the paradox.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Apparently it's a prerequisite of christians. 

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                1. Chris Neal profile image84
                  Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, Randy, it is! You have to believe in Jesus as fully God and fully man, which is a paradox, and that is a requirement.

                  The whole "predestination v. free will thing," that's still being debated. I just know what I believe and why.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Yes, I know why too, Chris.  The same way Muslims believe in Allah and the paradoxes in his old myth book.  The same way any religious follower knows.  They convince themselves to know these things.  They always have,

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              2. Mark Knowles profile image60
                Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                So - given that it is actually a paradox that only goes away by believing regardless of the logical proof and facts that disprove it - will you know stop pushing the idea to others?

                1. Chris Neal profile image84
                  Chris Nealposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  As soon as God ceases to exist Mark! You have my word!


                  yikes

                  1. Mark Knowles profile image60
                    Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    God does not exist. You yourself agree it makes no sense.

                    This is why your religion causes so many fights.

    2. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
      EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      If what you do is predetermined, then there is no choice. If you haven't made the choice already, then the future is not written. Omniscience requires that the future be predetermined. With a predetermined future you have no free will nor do you have free choice, these things have already be done, otherwise omniscience doesn't exist.

      1. Cagsil profile image82
        Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Predetermined? I could determine that if I give a kid a dollar, what that kid is going to spend it on. There are some factors that go into doing it, but it doesn't take away the child's choice.

        1. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
          EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Making an educated guess (as we were all kids once that turns into a highly educated guess) is not the same as something being predetermined. Take for instance trying to determine if walking out your door and down the road whether or not your going to get hit by a moving vehicle. You knows that the chances for that are slim to none, however if you are meant to get hit by that vehicle, was determined before hand, then you will be hit by it even if you stay in bed. Some weird coincidences will fall into play to make it happen. That's something being predetermined. You can't make any guess at all about it, and no matter what, it will happen.

          1. Cagsil profile image82
            Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Well it seems as though it doesn't make sense. Nothing is predetermined.

            Being omniscient isn't enforcing a predetermined state. It's about knowing the outcome of every action, and the subsequent actions after, as well as the entire path including end, for all choices available.

            Omniscient is having unlimited knowledge, awareness; perceives all things.

            Having or being omniscient, as a G/god, doesn't mean predetermination exist. Using the two in connection doesn't make sense.

            All people mean is God already knows the outcome, regardless of the choice made. You still get to make the choice, they are just saying that God knows the choice you make because he knows all the choices you're ever going to make.

            Nothing in this life is meant to happen. We can only make things mean something. Living without meaning? It's a wasted trip.

            1. autumn18 profile image68
              autumn18posted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I enjoy your input Cagsil. I've never believed our lives are predestined and wondered how it worked in relation to also having free will. I feel enlightened with your explanation.

            2. EinderDarkwolf profile image60
              EinderDarkwolfposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Being omniscient means that you already know everything past, present, and future. If you know the future, then the future is already set. Which means it's already predetermined.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                True.  if god already knows everything why run the program at all?  He could simply throw the sinners--including me, of course--in hell without all of the trouble of going through the motions of temptation, forgiveness, etc. since the decision is already made. It's not as if anything is going to change or he'd know that too.

                But then, he already knew Satan was going to rebel against him before he created him to be perfect, if the bible is to be believed. But the perfection was apparently flawed as Satan was tempted by god himself, as who else could penetrate god's perfection?  What a convoluted mess god created for himself and for us! 


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                1. Friendlyword profile image61
                  Friendlywordposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  That's are problem! We lay all this weight on God.  How could anybody know what God is and what he is capable of. We can guess from what our hearts tell us and from what is written in all the holy books; that God is love. God created man in his own image. God is a jealous God. God made a few mistakes with his children. There is a war going on in Heaven! How do some people equate all these human traits as being perfect and infallable is nonsense.  God is a guy...a really big guy with alot of power; but he's still just a guy. We know he loves us.  Just love him back and stop expecting more from him than we expect from ourselves. He does his part!

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                    Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    That's easy for you to say, I suppose.  But without some evidence there is actually a god--and the old book is so wacky with it's confusing contradictions that it can't be trusted for anything concrete--it's difficult to even comprehend there being one.  Should we really have to guess about stuff some claim is so essential?  What's the point?

                    "Dear God,
                    How about dropping all of the mysterious BS and make yourself known if you want us to believe in you.  Otherwise, you've only got yourself to blame if we just watch TV instead.  We don't have to guess what's coming on next because we have a TV Guide.  Perhaps if you reformatted your old tome to be more up-to-date it would be easier to know what channel you are on."

                    Signed,
                    A disgruntled customer!

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                  2. Castlepaloma profile image22
                    Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    I made up a song to go with that


                    :SATAN'S CLAUSE OR GOD'S LAWS:

                    You better watch out, You better not cry
                    You better not pout, I'm telling you why
                    (Mugged Santa) or Satan Claus is coming to town

                    He's making a list, Checking it twice;
                    Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
                    Satan Claus is coming to town

                    He sees you when you're sleeping
                    He knows when you're awake
                    He knows if you've been bad or good
                    So be good for goodness sake

                    Boy I can do without someone watching me,24/7, like big brother

        2. Rhonda D Johnson profile image79
          Rhonda D Johnsonposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          The power I have when I give a kid a dollar is not to be compared to the power of a being who, the Bible tells us, does all things for His good pleasure.

  13. Jerami profile image78
    Jeramiposted 4 years ago

    Rad Man said ...We are not aware of what the subconscious mind is saying, but people that are more conscious (aware) make better choices.

    = - =

    I think it is Sometimes our subconcious mind that is saying  "Don't Do IT" when we shouldn't be doing it.
      Why does it have to be either-or?  When the two come together in agreement is when it can be said that we have piece of Mind.

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      Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I thought that is what I said. Your Subconscious mind want cake and beer, but your conscious (aware) mind get a muffin (cake) and coffee to appease the subconscious. We are however completely unaware of what the subconscious does. Aware vs unaware. Spend some time around a narcissistic person and you see how strong the subconscious mind is. They are never wrong and will change their own version of events to make themselves look right and then try to convince others that their version of the event is correct. Their conscious (aware) mind is not very aware at all.

      1. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I think that for some of us it is our conscious mind that wants the cake and the unconscious mind attempts to prevent this from happening.

           I may decide to go out on the town to wine and dine and chase the ladies and suddenly get an upset stomach or a back ache or headache?  I’m just saying that this works both ways.

        1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
          HeadlyvonNogginposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          The line can definitely be blurred. The unconscious Id just wants to appease cravings and instinctual desires; food, sex, sleep, etc. It's the engine that drove evolution. Survive and procreate. But sometimes it's the Ego that wants something more. Where 'lady chasing' is concerned, it could be the Id's primal desire to mate, or it could be the Ego's need for acceptance. To be wanted or desired by the opposite sex. In the case of cake, the belly ache would be enough for the Id to not be interested, but the Ego may use food to repress desires of the Id beyond food cravings. For instance, the Ego may turn to comfort foods after being rejected by the opposite sex.

          1. Jerami profile image78
            Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            You may be right. This is an issue that I've given very little thought.
            I'm just talking about how it seems to me.
            It seems to me that if or when these two sides become aware and/or accepting of each other, a form of compromise is achieved, piece of mind is achieved then conflicts "seem" to be moved outside of self.
            This might seem to be a good thing, but then outside of self seems to become more chaotic.
            I think I’ll give this more thought.

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              Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Did you ever have that feeling somethings just not right? I remember when I was in college and the country had a beer strike (I don't remember why, but we couldn't get beer). So a group of friends drove to Buffalo for the weekend to party. Keep in mind we were 19. 19 is good to drink here but no in the U.S.

              I just didn't go and at the time I didn't know why. They got back with stories of fighting with bouncers...

              I certainly wasn't my conscious mind that told me not to go.

              Interestingly the conscious part of the mind is in the left hemisphere. The right brain can't talk, and is not aware, but answers. Google split brained patients.

              1. Jerami profile image78
                Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Rad Man .. that is what I'm talking about. The subconcious mind is not necessarily "Our Dark side"  It would seem that a balance of power between the two might be beneficial.   BUT   ????

    2. artblack01 profile image80
      artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Unfortunately, you can never fully be aware of the unconscious mind.  Our conscious mind is the rational thinking part of our brain while the subconscious mind is the baser, often primal, suppressed part of us.  Those things you keep from yourself will often come out in dreams, those hidden fears, come out in dreams, those secret hopes and wishes, come out in dreams.  Dreams will always show you what you hide.

      1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
        HeadlyvonNogginposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Freud described these two things as the Ego and the Id. The Id being the moral primal/instinctual desires of primitive man, or the 'pleasure center'. The Ego is the more evolved, rational side that consciously tries to find socially acceptable ways to feed the need of the Id. In this way the Ego is kind of a mediator between the unconscious Id and reality. Most, I think, are not consciously aware of this.

      2. Jerami profile image78
        Jeramiposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I'm no expert of anything except that I know more about myself than anyone else does (I think?)  I have been observing myself, my actions and decision processes for the last 40 years or so of my 62 years. 
          It seems to me that my subconcious mind has made more inteligant decisions than my concious mind has.
          But what do I know?

  14. Druid Dude profile image61
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    If it is as I have described, and God dwells, as Jesus said, within us all, then, it only stands to reason that 1) It is up to us to change our existence. 2)If anyone will be 'saved' from some future cataclysm (It does happen here, ya know) It will be because we all woke up and started having the gonads to save ourselves. Otherwise, heaven is full of whiners.

  15. Randy Godwin profile image94
    Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago

    Some people can convince themselves of anything.  If this wasn't true, then there would not have been so many gods in the history of our planet.  Gods do not fare very well--meaning gain a large group of converts--unless people can convince themselves their particular deity is real.

    This is true for any god, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Greek, Roman, ancient, or new god.  If no one believes in them they do not last long.  Sorta like Tinkerbell and saying fairies aren't real.  yikes


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  16. Claire Evans profile image90
    Claire Evansposted 4 years ago

    It's all about free will.  God has power in the lives who want Him but none with those who reject Him and, unfortunately, children suffer at the hands of those who use their free will for evil.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      No, it's not all about free will.  It's all about self delusion.  Fortunately, we all don't have to indulge ourselves in other peoples delusions, no matter how bad they want us to.


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      1. Claire Evans profile image90
        Claire Evansposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You are indulging in my delusion by responding to my comment.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          She has a point there, although Claire is entertaining.

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    Prof McMurderposted 4 years ago

    I feel the issue is that people project their idea of goodness onto god. i believe God is absolute being or being itself. Like the Sun or any force of nature, I believe God is neither good nor evil, God simply IS and that every being in existence is a fraction of the totality that is God. A human trying to understand the nature of God is like a carbon atom trying to understand the nature of a human.

    1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
      HeadlyvonNogginposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Well said, and I love the name. Welcome, Prof McMurder.

    2. artblack01 profile image80
      artblack01posted 4 years ago in reply to this

      How can one know something or proclaim that something exists if one is incapable of even understanding it's nature. If you cannot even understand the nature of something then you cannot proclaim that this something exist or is the cause of anything that exists. The best you can say is "I don't know if this thing exists or not".

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        Prof McMurderposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        A thing's existence is not based on our ability to grasp it's defining nature. Let us agree that man exists (or we wouldn't be having this conversation), however, I don't believe either of us have a full understanding or even a minute understand of the nature of man.

        1. HeadlyvonNoggin profile image87
          HeadlyvonNogginposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Good point. I like this guy. The human mind is the perfect example of this. The only reason we all agree it exists is because we all experience it for ourselves. Externally, it's just as undetectable as the God that the bible describes.

        2. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Don't you think , we can get a closer understanding to everything that is incomprehensible now, within time?

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      Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Well you seem to have a good grasp of him. How are you able to understand him and others not?

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        Prof McMurderposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        That's my point exactly, i don't understand the nature of God. There's no way to truly understand the totality of being. It's like trying to understand nothingness because whatever you thing nothing IS, it isn't that.

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          Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Oh, I understand what nothing is. It's you who are trying to make something out of nothing.

    4. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Prof Mac-Murder.

      A human trying to understand the nature of God is like a carbon atom trying to understand the nature of a human.

      That is deep, what is the brain size of an Atom?

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        Prof McMurderposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        I don't know. However, brain size does not equal complexity. Whales and elephants both have brains larger than that of humans.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image22
          Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          The Human brain size is the largest in relationship to it's own body size of all animal..

          If God made a man according his image and put human in charge of all animal. Then...Is not your statement, just a made up silly idea,  lacking good sense.

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            Prof McMurderposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            That's if I believe in the Christian mythology of God making man in his image. To me the Christian myth of God, the creation of man, and the bestowment of dominion over the animals is "a made up silly idea, lacking good sense."

            1. Castlepaloma profile image22
              Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              That makes more sense

  18. Druid Dude profile image61
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    The problem Mark, is not that we can't show it to you, you just can't believe it when you see it. It's SOOOOO BIIIGGG! And, I will admit, hard to tell what it is from the inside. Kinda like being Jonah tryin' to figure out where the hell he woke up. Inside a whale? Naw, couldn't be. Welcome to the whale, BUBBA!

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      No - the problem is you can't show it to me because it doesn't exist. LOL That you think you see something I cannot see.

      This is why your religion causes so many fights - no matter how many times you lie and pretend to be a Druid.

  19. Druid Dude profile image61
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    Oh, great and powerful Mark 'The Wizard Of Oz' Knowles...what, exactly religion is it your perception that I, this humble self, carries the banner for? My religion didn't cause many fights. Didn't really stop any, either, but you don't have a clue one about 'my religion'.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Wasn't the Wizard of Oz pretending to be GOD?

      1. Randy Godwin profile image94
        Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        No!  You could actually see and hear him.  No self respecting god is allowed to do either of these things!  It's in the How-to-be-a-god rulebook.  You've probably noticed all the gods "religiously" keep this rule!  yikes


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        1. Cagsil profile image82
          Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          lol lol lol lol lol

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          Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          lol

  20. wordoftheworld profile image61
    wordoftheworldposted 4 years ago

    God is loving. that is why he give free will to his people to choose to believe or not. He wants to challenge your faith.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      So, he doesn't already know ?

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    2. Castlepaloma profile image22
      Castlepalomaposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      wordoftheworld

      I challenge you to have faith in yourself first
      Get back to me with your improved results, because praying for it at best, gives you only a 50%/50% chance

  21. Cagsil profile image82
    Cagsilposted 4 years ago

    God is Almighty - Omnipotent? BS at best.

    God is all powerful, yet cannot create a rock in which he himself cannot pick up. lol

  22. Druid Dude profile image61
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    1) Cag...you take a hypothetical rock and turn it into a non-hypothetical rock. Miraculous. I would say that he did, indeed make such a rock. It is the rock of your dis-belief...and only you can move it...but, you haveta stop being so 'boxed'. 2) Mark, you constantly hint that you know everything, so, nobody can fool you. Stop trying to paint yourself as a genius...I already checked the Mensa Rolls...and you ain't on it.

    1. Cagsil profile image82
      Cagsilposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      lol

  23. Druid Dude profile image61
    Druid Dudeposted 4 years ago

    He's also present outside of man and inside of man, in fact, God exists in everything, so, to say 'where is God' is a really silly question. Some people just can't grasp the simplest concept. There is only one thing in science that exists in everything...ENERGY. The external God is equivalent to what one might term a 'thoughtex' A being of pure energy, and all else lives inside of that energy, like the bacteria that live in our digestive systems (YUCK!!!)

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      Rad Manposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      You seem so sure of that. Do you have any evidence to back it up. I don't know why you would think people can't grasp the concept. Of course they can understand the concept, they just don't believe you. To help you understand I'll type the same sentence, but change a few words.

      (Some people just can't grasp the simple concept of there being no God.)
      I know you understand the sentence but don't agree. Just because people don't agree doesn't mean they don't understand.

 
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