God ....the word which has been with human beings in one form or another since humans began to think...So many religions , school of thoughts and version have come out of god ...No body has been able to disprove or prove existence of god...Do you think we as human beings would ever have such proof in either case?
Many psychologists and neuroscientists believe that our brains are fundamentally wired to believe in God, and the unbelief comes later as a result of social conditioning.
So if we are pre-wired, why would blind evolution do that?
@dis good question...but again it would be mere speculation...evolution scientist may say to survive , faith works...this hard wire thing doesnot conclusively prove about god...does it?
DisappearingHead, I am sure you would find many theists amongst many psychologists and neuro-scientists!
Given that any god, by definition, is not physical and therefore not measurable or able to be sensed by our innate faculties, how do you propose to have "proof" which can satisfy our minds?
We are talking of different planes of existence, here. Physical, i.e., finite and measurable; non-physical and not measurable. All this speculation might be good fun, and food for our intellects, but it does nothing which can advantage our lives in the physical now. Let's get on with the life we CAN know and enjoy.
Oh I agree JCL, we cannot prove God exists or does not exist. And yes the speculation is good fun.
As a believer in God, I'm interested in physical things that point in the direction of God. For many these pointing things are sufficient.
Having said that I do not readily believe anyone who claims the Holy Spirit showed them this or that, because to the external listener these claims can equally be interpreted as subjective feelings, emotion, or the subconscious brain piecing together experiences and beliefs in the background. But we should not be surprised at this as according to the gospels Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within us. So who knows, maybe the subconscious is where the KofG works.
A bicameral mind is when cognitive functions are divided between one part of the brain which appears to be "speaking", and a second part which listens and obeys.
Maybe because humans who brass their way out of a situation by belief of a supernatural protection give a better survival rate? Believing is vital to our survival and success. A manic depressive does impressive things when in the 'high' mood and nothing in the 'low' mood. Same person: different feelings of worth.
It certainly was not social conditioning that lead me to the realization that there is no God. I like to use the term Maturing.
Not entirely true. We are wired to recognize patterns as a survival mechanism, and part of that pattern recognition is the belief that those patterns were caused supernaturally. To say we're wired to "believe in God" is an oversimplification. The supernatural, maybe. Gods, perhaps, But not a single god, and not the Abrahamic god.
There would be only two reasons people would believe in a G/god, a Higher Power- (a) religion was taught to them(which also explains the "shock and awe" consciousness bestows on each) and (b) physics. Einstein believed he could prove the existence of a higher power through physics, and that's based on what he knew of physics. However, what he wouldn't subscribe to was a G/god of any world religion at the time he lived. He didn't believe the religions of the world accurately described the Higher Power.
How the word God is described is what matters. If it's not logical, then it doesn't exist. Example: God is energy, God is love(don't argue that love doesn't exist- that would be stupid). Both are logical and acceptable
To lay claim to knowing that a God is a spirit or entity which intervenes or is all powerful, all knowing and omniscient, is illogical and unacceptable. There would be no rhyme or logical reason for any God/entity to bother with the creation. S/He would have the knowledge and know how to create perfection without screwing it up, and have the hindsight to know s/he wouldn't have to tinker with it's creation after being created.
No. Logically you can't prove a negative, you can just fail to find compelling evidence for gods. And you prove a god exists because they don't exist.
This man will always stand in denial in the of the most profound and indisputable proof of God...
He shall forever be asking, and never recieving because he is The Doubter.
God is more than a word, He is the idea of complete completion....but only to those who do not clamour for more proof, because they have found a way to deny the indeniable.
@kess i agree it is idea...mere idea...but question was not that...question was whether that idea can be proved or not?...or can be disproved or not...no one in the world since humans started thinking has proved or disproved it...it is mere speculation and belief...
To disprove an idea is merely a matter of not believing it, you dont need a reason or conjure up as many as you wish. The end is same.
Like I am saying the doubter has the ability to doubt anything.
@kess but any idea must be proved too my dear...just talking doesnot help...i asked very simple question...can anyone conclusively prove god or disprove god...i am not saying what doubter or gullible means...
Well continue asking.....I was just saying.
The doubter doubts any and everything, including the fact that they are a doubter ....and even a believer for that matter.
So in essense the doubter never knows Truth....for inevitably and eventually he doubts it.
So are you going to stop asking? Only after you stop doubting.
One would over focus on a problem if there is any doubt. I go with knowing until it is proven to me that my model idea is incorrect and only then I would make the adjustment, without quilt, regrets, or sin involved
@kess i asked prove not mere words...if u dont have prove simply say i believe ...its ok with me...
I suggest that the need to believe in a higher authority is probably a genetic tendency.
It's a projection of one's own self assessment, trying to see in another person a "better" Me. If I aspire to being a particular person, or being able do a certain thing, I will look for that objective in another person. The projected picture will be everything which I long to be but I "ain't that yet."
I will see the superior projection of me. Many of us project that image onto another person, maybe in the form of a actress (Holywood persona), a football star, a member of Royalty, etc. Each of these persons has worked hard to achieve their goal, and if one of them has attained that goal which I aspire to , then I will be in awe of them.
If I aspire to being or doing something which is to all intents and purposes impossible for me to achieve, then the chances are I will project my desires onto someone who is above humanity and is also beyond criticism. This is where "God" comes in. The "Higher Power," which is so useful, so individual and personal, that no one can or should try to dislodge that projection from someone else's ideas. Let it be and get on with my own life.
So it is a matter of identity.
Thus each strive after the best the ultimate...God.
So eventually all find their own in Him, God.
Some by believing and some by doubting.
A False believer is the same as a doubter, and their proof is in their crowd (religion).
So we see each and every strife of men on every level is about Identity... And the man who is truly at rest is at rest in his own which he sees as the ultimate.
Can you see the power of the doubter when he finally accepts that he is a doubter....? He is then transformed into a believer for both rest on one thing........ TRUTH
Are not humans, spiritual being first, if we were made in God's image?
So Truth shows itself in the two...
GOD is man and Man is God.
But only to those who believe for they have found proof to be themselves
I think, given enough time to gather.information, we will eventually understand what drives belief. I think most of us can agree that it won't be an old man sitting on a cloud dreaming of annihilating us.
And I don't believe that, once we pin down the exact cause of the experiences the religious claim to have, it will take a very long time for them to accept. Because we will have made a giant leap forward in our understanding of reality.
Would ever God's existence be proven or disproven? Will there come a time when there is no doubt? Time will tell. In my humble opinion, yes. I am a believer. In my life He has already proven His existence. In many other believers life He has proven His existence. What they (believers) have experienced is proof for them, and that's all it has to be. And it can get to the point where it goes beyond faith and belief, it becomes one knowing He exists. Believe it or not. If you are a naysayer, that is your right, think whatever you like.
I believe in the existence of God. I have plenty of proofs and evidences for His existence. Can I show you those proofs? No I can't. Why? Simply because He is God.
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