Women seem to be natural multi-taskers and insanity might not be as sudden as it could be for a man. That is... if they have not acquired the skill.
As a professional psychiatric patient, I'd like to think I have some skill with conversation.
Perhaps I can suggest, then, that you stop opening pointless forum threads? Just an idea.
Is that a personal attack?
What's pointless about speaking the mind?
What makes you the authority on pointless posts?
You have nothing useful to say and this will be my last post to you, unless you have something useful to add.
My speciality is pointless threads.
And for the record I like both of you.
Thanks, ps. I like you too!
And, nonto - that is not a personal attack. But reading through the forum for the last week or so, you've started the majority of the religion threads - and some - like this one - have nothing to do with religion.
Others are not questions or anything really meant to encourage discussion, just incredibly provocative statements meant to heat people up who disagree with you on matters of faith.
That's what I see. That's my take on it.
Nothing personal taken. I just wanted to know the motivation of the post.
If I'd wanted to start a fight with theists, I'd say that all theists are morons.
But I don't think that way. I'm looking for theists that can prove their stance.
As for this thread, it was just a break from the theist/atheist debate.
If you're an atheist, any proof that a theist offers will immediately be rejected for your more 'scientific' and 'logical' arguments. No fundamental theist will agree with you, nor will you agree with them.
My question: if no theist has approached you regarding their faith, why do you feel it necessary for them to prove anything to you? It would seem to me that their beliefs are of little concern to you unless they broach the subject first. You seem to be starting most of your atheist/theist conversations.
It all started with a door to door peddler of theism. A Jehova's witness to be exact.
They approached me and spoke of their God as fact. Since then, I've asked countless theists to prove it.
I find that in this type of forum, I can find a broader sense of the term "fact".
Any sane theist will tell you that while they live their lives according to their God's word as fact, they in fact have only 'faith' in a God that cannot be proven - just as any sane atheist will tell you that they do not believe in God because His existence has not been proven to their satisfaction.
I sell my belief/faith as just that. I cannot prove it to you, but my personal experiences have proven to me beyond a doubt that my faith is neither blind, nor empty.
I can identify with that.
I wasn't always an atheist, so I have a pretty good idea as to what faith entails.
I quit theism, when I found I had no reason to believe that way of thinking.
And for the record. I don't hate theists.
I don't hate anyone. Some of my favorite folks to post in the religious forums are folks with whom I vehemently disagree on matters of faith. When it comes down to it, I love to talk about religion and spirituality and atheism and agnosticism. I do, however, refuse to argue about it with anyone. I will defend my right to believe as I choose - and anyone else's as well. But there is no need to defend my faith. It's faith - nebulous at best, irrational at times, but mine to hold as I choose.
And you have a right to believe it. I'm just asking that you prove it.
When I ask for proof, it's not an attack.
If I did attack anyone, sorry.
All conversations and all discussions can get heated.
Sorry if I took my side down that road.
That's the thing, though. No one can prove the existence/non existence of God. The only real way to avoid conflict when discussing the issue is to find common ground in the real/physical world and grow from there.
And no worries. I don't feel attacked at all. And if I did, I'm quite able to defend myself.
The only thing atheists and theists have in common;
Many of us agree that there are grave problems in the world.
That humanity isn't all bad.
That working together to help people will make the world a better place.
That no one knows for certain what happens when we die.
That one must not believe in God to be a decent person.
And, sometimes, that all the conversation in the world will never change a person's mind about something they believe (or don't).
I can buy that.
But can you see why atheists want proof?
Christians talk about hell and they believe relatively good people go there.
They believe if a horrible person attones for his actions, then he is banned from hell.
I want that to make sense.
I want to know why the christian God is so hateful.
I never intended to even get this far with it, as to have ill will toward anyone.
I can sort of understand where you're coming from.
I'm not sure I understand wanting proof of something one doesn't believe in unless the hope is to have something to believe in after all.
And like I said, I can speak to you of the experiences I've had that have made me believe the way I do, but you may set your mind beforehand to dismiss everything I say as delusional, irrational...and what 'proof' I offer will fall on ears between which is a brain that is waiting impatiently to debunk it.
I'm not in the business of debunking and I'm not looking for validation of my own opinions.
I'm looking for something, that definitely is true.
What is it?
Maybe an escape from emnity.
Could it be that I'm just looking for an engaging conversation?
Is it a need for human contact? Humans do tend to congregate/gather in groups, even if they have conflicting principal ideas.
What say you?
Could be just reaching out for a little bit of connection to folks. And, starting conversations in such a hot button topic is certainly likely to garner attention. But, you can only find what you're looking for if you keep an open mind.
I'm a comedian, my mind couldn't be any more open. No offense intended.
I like talking to you, you know where I'm coming from.
Nice to hear/read such pleasant posts.
Thank you. I tend to not be terribly combative when discussing these things. Of course, we tend to respond to others in the same manner in which they approach us.
Comedian, eh? Are you one of those sad and tortured comic geniuses?
I don't know about genius.
Sad, most likely.
Don't say that out loud. You'll spoil my image!
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