immortality of intelligence

There is a principle which presents it's self in the bible that seems to be overlooked by most denominations of Christianity, that is the immortal state of intelligence. Coupled with the assertion that all men will be raised up to an immortal condition comes the physical existence of man abiding with God outside of the space/time continuum. How is it possible for one to exist in a sphere which by design holds the endless entity of the creator which is without beginning and without end? And how does one expect to exist at the right hand of God unless that individual existed previously?

One of the statements made in the bible is thus; "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" Job 38: 4-7

Particularly the statement made by God when the creation process was complete, "The morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy." provides evidence that there were spirit sons and daughters who resided with God in that eternal sphere. Another example of this fact comes in the book of Jeremiah when the Lord says "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee." Jeremiah 1:5

Another one is thus; Ephesians 1:4 "he hath chosen us in him before the foundations of this world."

When I think of the eternal nature of human intelligence I compare it to a wedding band. You have the ring, it is perfectly round, continuous, and endless. When a break is made the circle becomes flawed, it now has a beginning and an end. If one were to mend the ring, it once again becomes an endless entity. It is the same as the intelligence of the human spirit, it is an endless entity which existed with God.

This does not diminish from the scripture that states all things were created by God, in fact it is explanatory for the diversity of all the intelligences which exist on Earth, from the smallest bug to the most advanced, the Human species. All were involved in his plan to be part of the creation process and when it was complete, they sang and shouted for joy.

On the other hand there were those who refused to partake in this plan, the result is referred to as the war in heaven. Now I think it is opposite to the physical nature of the spirit to believe that this war involved bloodshed, or physical confrontation. I can't imagine a spirit drawing a sword or a gun on another. Rather I think it is more logical to perceive that war as a conflict in ideology. Everyone had their own input, everyone had the choice to follow God's plan or to follow another. I see that diversity continued as the debate perpetuates it's self on Earth among the children of Men.

God is the father of our spirits, he created them as he took our eternal essence and manifest them into a spirit. And this is what has been revealed to us through the spirit of prophecy. In Ecclesiastes 12:7-"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." We see that the spirit which premortally was with God has a chance to return to it's creator as a resurrected being.

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eovery 6 years ago from MIddle of the Boondocks of Iowa

I have came up with a concept of no ending or beginning. What I use to ill ustrate it is a box. The box starts and end at strict locations. What is on the other side of the edges of the box. If you say that this is the edge of the universe, I say what is on the other side of that edge, i.e. like a box

Another example is the number system what ever number you think is the largest just add a one. Also, the smallest, just add a -1. No beginning no end. Sos if they say this is the beginning of time, I just say what is their 1 minute before that.

Keep on hubbing!


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Onusonus 6 years ago from washington Author

That's a good thought, the possibilities are endless!

Thank's for commenting.


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hanging out 6 years ago

eph 1:4 before the creation of this world... as far a predestination goes i can only say that i think paul summed it when he said: Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will. We are predestinated.. not as individuals but as a group on whole to be saved christians. We have free will and joining with God means that by joining a predestinated path to God we become part of the special group. When god talks to jeremiah and says what he says i believe God did form jeremiah, just like jesus and moses, God picks certain ones to perform huge functions like john the baptist. And this is not out of context with the scriptures because when we get to heaven we will be saying.. It was only by your might not our strength lord, that we are here. Sons of God has to be taken into context not made to fit a context. What were the sons of god back then. Since no mention of sons of god = angels and does apply to humans i would hazard a guess that there were other worlds before us and they cheered when they heard the news god was going to do it all over again. Morning stars are angels, we never become angels. And then again we cannot make doctrine from one scripture we need to support it with other scriptures and the belief of other earths before us is really still in theory stage, i could say yes it has happened before but i would be guessing not have 3 or more scriptures to back me up. Personally in this job quote i prefer to think of the sons of god in this case as the heavenly celestial bodies in space other than the stars what has been mentioned in the first half of this verse.

but i do not feel inclined toward your idea of eternal human intelligence. In fact i perceive that the scriptures say immortality is a gift of god that the unsaved cannot partake of. Anything human dies with the flesh. The CD of our lives, so to speak goes to gods library, so to speak.

As far as war in heaven goes.. strongs suggest 3 heavens, where birds fly, cosmos and gods throneroom. I see no reason to believe gods throneroom or the cosmos, but here on earth, yes. 3772 in strongs is quite enlightening.

personally i think you are reading to deeply into it.

God is hugely creative, as he should be no lesser creative that shakespeare or the greatest painter or sculptor. Creation shows that it is not evolution, this i believe but it doesn't speak to me of everlasting human intelligence.

you don't have to post this i just thought i would post here instead of on the forum. http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/55852#post1269391


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Onusonus 6 years ago from washington Author

In my view, the Bible as a whole is essentially neutral on the question of whether the soul had a preexistence, and how one reads the various biblical passages that have some arguable relevance to the question will unavoidably be heavily influenced by one’s preexisting theology. Whenever and

wherever man came to an understanding of possessing a soul in distinction to the physical

body, the issue would arise not only of the fate of the soul after death but of the origin of the soul prior to birth. Several answers to this natural question would be possible, one of which is that the soul already existed prior to its union with the human body, having an antemortal existence in a spirit world of some kind. Given that preexistence is a rather obvious possibility to be considered, it may well be that the idea has in some cases sprouted by polygenesis in various religions, cultures and times. I for one agree with the thought that Imortality comes through precession of intellectual existence. Or in another aspect since it is impossible for God to create something which is not good, and there certainly seem to be those who fall out of the category, it is incumbant to assertain that those independant spirits are self existant.


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hanging out 6 years ago

God told King david about the soul its all throughout psalms. God revealed to moses about spirit and soul in genesis.

Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of

the dust of the ground, and breathed into his

nostrils the breath of life; and man became a

living soul".

Jesus talked about body and soul and the bible says spirit of God all over the place, so it was never hidden knowledge. God never hides anything and the bible is always clear never neutral, to those who search it out.

There are no independant spirits floating around. This is a deep subject and quite outside of christendoms doctrine. But there are no firm examples of disembodied spirits floating around, haunting houses or being fixed to favorite jars of dead people. No nephilim spirits either.


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Onusonus 6 years ago from washington Author

I know nothing of this Nephilim doctrine, nor do I believe that Ghosts and goblins drift in and out of the natural world jumping out of closets to scare people.

Speaking of biblical neutrality on various subjects, there is a wide variety of examples by which the readers are forced to ascertain the literal meaning of particular doctrines. Hence there are many, many branches of Christianity reading out of the same book and yet they are getting completely different interpertations out of the same passages. The teachers of religion of the different sects understand the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible, which is not an uncommon thing.

Thus the modern day assertation to just read and know for your self isn't good enough. There has to be a power greater than that already posessed by the people in the pews to dictate the true meaning of the gospel to the hearer. It is then expedient for the honest truth seeker to obtain knowledge and understanding from God himself, through carefull study and prayer.


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couturepopcafe 6 years ago

I didn't know the comments section was for ongoing debates!! I love this hub. I think you've given a good interpretation of this and I agree with the idea of eternal intelligence/spirit/energy.


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Onusonus 6 years ago from washington Author

Thank you, when expressing religious concepts it is important to me to avoid throwing ego into the equation, things such as; "I feel sorry for you" or "I hope one day you come to realize the truth." is always a counter productive measure used by the average religious nut. I, my self being a religious nut, would rather express truthfulness, or sillyness, but never superiority.


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pennyofheaven 5 years ago from New Zealand

I like your interpretation. I agree with much of what you say. Very well written too! Thanks!


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Onusonus 5 years ago from washington Author

Thanks for reading, I hope that all of us can express ourselves with clarity and intelligence when conveying spiritual truths.


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James A Watkins 5 years ago from Chicago

This Hub is outstanding! I surely agree with you that intelligence—the mind—is immortal. Well done!


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Onusonus 5 years ago from washington Author

Right on! thanks for reading.


ruffridyer 5 years ago from Dayton, ohio

A good hub with clever reasoning, or should I say Intelligence. I agree with you.


BIGTIMEBOY 19 months ago

GODS GIFT FOR YOUR SOUL TO LIVE ON IS ENOUGH FOR MYSELF IMMORTALITY AND INTELLIGENCE IS INFINITE .I BELIEVE WHEN A PERSON REACHES THIS STAGE YOU ARE ONE WITH THE UNIVERSE. THE METHOD BECOMES CLEAR EVEN BEFORE YOU PASS YOUR KNOWLEDGE INTELLIGENCE WILL BE UNIVERSAL AND YOUR IMMORTALITY WILL GROW EXPONENTIALLY WITH YOUR INTELLIGENCE.

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