Are You looking to join a Perfect Church ?

Is there a Perfect Church on Earth ?

One Christian asked another these questions. “Is there now any perfect church on earth? I have not come across one yet. If you know of one please let me know because I would like to join it!” The other Christian replied, “I have not come across one either, but even though there may be one, the moment you join this church it ceases to be perfect. Are you perfect?”

God revealed to the apostle John the seven churches in Asia, and every one of them has some faults (Rev. 1:11, 20, chapters 2 and 3). These seven churches represent all the churches in the world. Some may think they are better than others, but the Lord Jesus Christ has an opposite view of them. “Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing – and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked –“ (Rev. 3:17). It is not what a denominational church claims and thinks of itself that is important. It is what God says about it that really matters!

 

Elitism, Exclusivism and Separatism

Elitism is a belief in concept of superiority.

Exclusivism is the practice or policy of being exclusive or excluding others.

Separatism is the practice of separation from others.

When you think of these three characteristics of people living during the time of the Lord Jesus Christ you straightaway think of the Pharisees. They believed they were superior to others, excluding others and separating themselves from others.

These kinds of faults are what God dislike and congregations with such attitudes are usually cults. Every local congregation and church council needs to examine its policies and see whether or not it is guilty of such faults.

These are the questions every church needs to ask and have biblical answers according to God’s will.

1. Does your church believe in Elitism? Do you think you are superior to other denominational churches?

2. Does your church practice Exclusivism? Do you think you are the only ones saved and go to heaven?

3. Do you practice Separatism? Does your church work with other churches in preaching to the unsaved?

If the answer to the above three questions are yes, yes and yes, then your church need to repent of your sins.

Christianity verses Churchianity

Christianity is the religion that is based on the life, teachings, practice, experience and examples of the Lord Jesus Christ. Christianity claims to be the only true religion in the world. It is based on the belief that the Lord Jesus Christ is the One True God who was manifested in the flesh, and also He is the Only Savior of Mankind. “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” (Jn. 14:6) “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)

This word “Churchianity” was used by the Christian Reformers to counter the authoritarian claims by the Roman Catholic Church to be the one and only true church in the world. Churchianity is a false religion that places great emphasis and importance on the Church rather than on the Lord Jesus Christ. Churchianity teaches that salvation is received by joining the “One and Only True Church” that is “established by the Lord Jesus Christ through Apostolic Succession”. The Roman Catholic Church claims that the Lord Jesus Christ ordained the apostle Peter as the First Pope, “And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.” (Mt. 16:18) They also claim that Peter was also the first Bishop of Rome and the Lord Jesus Christ said to him, “And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed on earth.” (Mt. 16:19). Hence, the Roman Catholic Church teaches that the only way to be saved and go to heaven is to join their church.

There are several other denominational churches that also claim to be the “One and Only True Church”.

· Mormon scriptures claim that the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints is "the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth" (Doctrine and Covenants, 1:30).

· Joseph Smith stated: "This [the LDS] Church...is the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth" (Doctrine and Covenants 1:30).

The LDS church is referred to as a cult because their teachings differ significantly from historic Christian theology. http://www.godandscience.org/cults/mormdiff.html

Here is a web site that compares different denominational churches that claim theirs to be the one and only true church in the world. http://www.theholdemans.com/Compare.htm

They are all preaching Churchianity, a false religion, and not Christianity that centers on the Lord Jesus Christ as the One True God and the One and Only Savior in the world.

What about the True Jesus Church ?

In the church history it is stated that the original name was “Universal Reformed Jesus True Church”, but in 1917 the Holy Spirit revealed that it be changed to True Jesus Church. The focus and emphasis is True Jesus and not “True Church”. It is explained that the word “True” refers to the One True God (Jn. 17:3; Rom. 3:4). The word “True” also describes the Son of God Jesus Christ, “that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.” (1 Jn. 5:20). A true minister in the True Jesus Church understands this truth and preaches the True Jesus.

Racism is a False Doctrine that causes Failure in a Church

The Holy Bible clearly states, So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.” (Gen. 1:27) “For there is no partiality with God.” (Rom. 2:11) “Then Peter opened his mouth and said: ‘In truth I perceived that God shows no partiality. But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.” (Acts 10:34-35) “And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their habitation.” (Acts 17:26). Any Christian who believes in the Word of God (Holy Bible) cannot be a racist, and any denominational church that promotes racism is teaching a false doctrine and is headed for failure.

Believers in the Lord Jesus Christ are now God’s Chosen People

Israel became God’s chosen people not because of its race but because of its obedience to His voice and keeping His covenant (Ex. 19:5-6). In the New Testament God has no favorite nation or race but He made believers in the Lord Jesus Christ “a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.”(Acts 10:34-35; 1 Pet. 2:9-10).



God’s Chosen People comprise of Believers from all Races

“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Tim. 2:3-6)

“And they sang a new song, saying: ‘You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals; For You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation.” (Rev. 5:9)

“After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands.” (Rev. 7:9)

The Perfect Church consists of Departed Saints in Paradise

“But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,” (Heb. 12:22-23)

These two verses of Scripture do not refer to any church on earth. They describe “the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels.” The "heavenly Jerusalem" refers to the holy city in heaven and not the one on earth. Where can you find angels in any earthly church? The phrase “to the spirits of just men made perfect,” can only refer to the perfected saints whose spirits have gone home to Paradise to be with the Lord Jesus Christ.

“Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for it, that He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, that He might present it to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that it should be holy and without blemish.” (Eph. 5:25-27)

The "glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that it should be holy and without blemish”  will be presented to the Lord Jesus Christ when He returns.  That is the time when the Lord Jesus Christ "transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself." (Phil. 3:21; Col. 3:4; 1 Cor. 15:51-54).  This is the description of the Perfect Church. 

Yes, You can enrol now and join God’s Perfect Church in the Future

Your quest to join God's Perfect Church begins here on earth.  You start by not only loving the members of your own congregation, but also loving Christians from other denominational churches as well. Just read what the Lord Jesus Christ taught His disciples (Matthew 5:43-48).

43 "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'

44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,

45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?

47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?

48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

The Lord Jesus Christ demonstrated His perfect character by loving and forgiving His enemies when He hung on the Cross. “Then Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." And they divided His garments and cast lots.”(Luke 23:34)

Stephen, the first Christian martyr has reached the level of perfection when he prayed for his enemies. “And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, ‘Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.’ Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, ‘Lord, do not charge them with this sin.’ And when he had said this, he fell asleep.” (Acts 7:59-60)

“Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, ‘Write: ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on, Yes, says the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them.” (Rev. 14:12-13)

The Road to Perfection begins with yourself loving other Christians.

“Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment’ because as He is , so are we in this world.” ( 1 John 4:17)

“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” (John 13:34-35)

By loving other Christians you will be in God’s Perfect Church when the Lord Jesus Christ returns.

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Shetslo 7 years ago

It depends on what is meant by "perfect". If it refers to salvation, anything less than perfect will not do. God does not save imperfectly.

Likewise, if the church is defined by saving faith (what the church believes in), anything less than the absolute gospel (Gal 1:8), the correct "form of doctrine" (Rom 6:17), the perfect "pattern of sound words" (2 Tim 1:13) will not not suffice. All of us who want to be saved must be in this "perfect church"! (Greek for "perfect" is "teleios" or "kartatzo" both carrying the meaning of completeness).

I'm curious, arkwriter, and anticipate your answer to my questions: You preach baptism for the forgiveness of sins, what is your view of the churches which deny or even condemn this view? You preach a specific mode of baptism - In Jesus' name, immersion, face forward, in living water - what do you say about churches practising otherwise? Or the Quakers who reject the rite altogether?

Even when we are talking about other kinds of perfection, eg unity, it is too sweeping to say it doesn't exist on earth. Jesus, in His great intercessory prayer for the disciples said, "that they may be made perfect ("teleioo", verb form of "teleios")in one", this perfection which He refers to is the very perfect unity between Christ and the Father! And the disciples were specifically said to be "in the world"! (Jn 17:23,22,11,18)

As for separatism and exclusivism (I'd rather drop the "ism" and use separation and exclusiveness), the Christian faith is necessarily exclusive (as you mentioned, the only true religion) and the church is necessarily separate - we have been "called out"! (Greek for "church" comes from "ek" meaning "out", and "kaleo" meaning "call")

While I will not be elitist in the midst of fellow Christians who stick to the complete gospel, or separate from churches holding on to the pure biblical faith, I will excude those churches who have swayed from the historic Christian faith.

An anonymous quote that can perhaps be food for thought:

"Love without truth is whoredom...In a choice between unity and truth, unity must yield to truth, for it is far better to be divided by truth than to be united in error"


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arkwriter 7 years ago from Houston, Texas U.S.A. Author

Thank you Shetsio for your insightful comments.  Here is my response to them.

Definition of “Perfect” in the Scriptures is according to God’s standard.  “As for God, His way is perfect” (2 Sam. 22:31)  The apostle Paul is one of the greatest Christians in the Early Church, and yet he wrote, “Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected, but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me.”  (Phil. 3:12)  The Perfect Church is defined as “a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that it should be holy and without blemish.” (Eph. 5:27)  This Perfect Church is in heaven (Heb. 8:1-2; Rev. 21:1-4).

You wrote:  I'm curious, arkwriter, and anticipate your answer to my questions: You preach baptism for the forgiveness of sins, what is your view of the churches which deny or even condemn this view?

My response:  Baptism for the remission of sins is recorded in Acts 2:38; 22:16; Rom. 6:3-7; Col. 2:12-13.  The Lord Jesus Christ said, “And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.  He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him – the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.”  (Jn. 12:47-48)

You wrote:  You preach a specific mode of baptism - In Jesus' name, immersion, face forward, in living water - what do you say about churches practising otherwise? Or the Quakers who reject the rite altogether?

My response:  Baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ is clearly recorded in the New Testament and practiced in the Early Apostolic Church -  Acts 2:38; 8:12,16; 10:48; 19:5.  Baptism with face forward in living water was how the Lord Jesus Christ was baptized.  Please go to my hub :à  http://hubpages.com/misc/baptismjesusdeath

It is my responsibility to share the truths that have been passed on to me.  I do not judge what other churches practice.  They have the same Bible as I have, and it is up to them to research and see what the Word of God actually teaches.  The Quakers have many good points that other denominational churches can learn from them.  Although I may not agree with the Quakers and other similar religious groups such as the Amish, in doctrines and their rejection of modern conveniences such as electric power and energy, I am beginning to see their way of life based on simplicity and reliance on God has many advantages on sustainable living at this present time of economic crisis.

You wrote:  While I will not be elitist in the midst of fellow Christians who stick to the complete gospel, or separate from churches holding on to the pure biblical faith, I will exclude those churches who have swayed from the historic Christian faith.

My response:  I agree with you on this.


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Shetslo 7 years ago

Thank you arkwriter, for your response.

Based on your views on baptism, if I were you, I will be very concerned about the imperfect teachings of the other churches, and actively seek to lead them into salvation, even at the expense of being branded "elitist".

If baptism in the right mode (which you are rather stringent about) is essential for salvation, then churches with baptisms that fall short of the prescribed standard are, strictly speaking, excluded from the "one baptism". That will necessarily make you "exclusive", but I will not brand it "exclusivism"; I will instead admire your honesty and conviction.

As for churches and groups with differing faiths from me, while acknowledging and emulating their other admirable traits, I will separate myself from them on doctrinal grounds and will not cooperate with them in any form of ministry.

Finally, with respect to church perfection, though we are very far from it now, I believe that through the power of the Holy Spirit, the church will be perfected just prior to the Lord's 2nd coming. The New Jerusalem in Rev 21:1-4 which you quoted refers to the perfected church, not in heaven but on earth - it figuratively came down from heaven (vs 2), corresponding to the Pauline terminology of "Jerusalem above" (Gal 4:26) and Hebrew's "heavenly Jerusalem" (12:22), names applied to us now while still imperfect.

Likewise the scene in Rev 4-5. The living creatures and 24 elders are not spiritual beings in the heavenly realm but according to Rev 5:9-10, figurative of redeemed Christians in their priestly and kingly functions on the earth.

I await the glorious day when the church militant becomes the church triumphant! When that happens, the Lord will come. Maranatha!


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Shetslo 7 years ago

Thank you arkwriter, for your response.

Based on your views on baptism, if I were you, I will be very concerned about the imperfect teachings of the other churches, and actively seek to lead them into salvation, even at the expense of being branded "elitist".

If baptism in the right mode (which you are rather stringent about) is essential for salvation, then churches whose baptism fall short of the prescribed standard are strictly speaking, excluded from the "one baptism". That will necessarily make you "exclusive", but I will not brand it "exclusivism"; I will instead admire your honesty and conviction.

As for churches and groups with differing faiths from me, while acknowledging and emulating thier other admirable traits, I will separate myself from them on doctrinal grounds and will not cooperate with them in any form of ministry.

Finally, with respect to church perfection, though we are very far from it now, I believe that through the power of the Holy Spirit, the church will be perfected just prior to the Lord's 2nd coming. The New Jerusalem in Rev 21:1-4 which you quoted is refers to the perfected church, not in heaven but on earth - it figuratively came down from heaven (vs 2), corresponding to the Pauline terminolgy of "Jerusalem above" (Gal 4:26) and Hebrew's "heavenly Jerusalem" (12:22), names applied to us now while still imperfect.

Likewise the scene in Rev 4-5. The living creatures and 24 elders are not spiritual beings in the heavenly realm but according the 5:9-10, figurative of redeemed Christians in their priestly and kingly functions on the earth.

I await the glorious day when the church militant becomes the church truimphant! When that happens, the Lord will come. Maranatha!


lionswhelp 7 years ago

Hmmm, a perfect Church? In Revelation 2:8 - The Smyrna Chuch was poor and persecuted through much tribulation. It seems that perfection has something to do suffering for Christ and being martyred. I think it was Tertullian in the 2nd century that said, "The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church.

As a follower of Christ and looking into what different churches have gone through the above statement seems very true. A group of Christians that are mostly First Day like the "Voice of the Martyrs" has suffered much tribulation down through the years all over the earth. If you have ever read the story of Richard Wormbrand the Jew who was a former Commmunist than a Christian follower of Luther, in a First Day Church you will be amazed at what some are willing to face for Christ. These people were and still are perfected through tribulation along with 7th Day Christians. The point is here they may not have been perfect in that they did not keep God's 7th Sabbath but they do stand up for Christ with what ever knowledge they have, even unto death. I know many people like this that are not perfect in their understandings but are tenacious believers in Christ sacrifice for them. So I think God is looking at the heart of each individual to see just what they believe in.

If you look at Revelation 7:3-8 you will see 144,000 who will be sealed before the great tribulation from the twelve Tribes of Israel. this could fulfill Romans 9:27-where it says a remnant will be saved from Israel. So who is Israel? A good place to look would be the works from the Jewish researcher Yair Davidiy at: http://www.britam.org/ . Most of Israel today are in Christian nations like the USA and British CommonWealth Nations of today but not all. In Romans 11:25-26 it says there is to be a fullness of times for the Gentiles to be drawn to salvation before all Israel will be saved. This is one of the main reasons why the Gospel is to be preached in all the world today, Matt. 28:18-20. Most of the living Israelites today think they are Gentiles for now, but through their blindness all the real Gentile nations are having their chance at salvation, Romans 11:11-23. God Will still save some of Israel ( both spiritual and physical) which will be redeemed and become the Kingdom of God here on the earth for 1,000 years with Christ, Revelation 5:10; 19:19-21;20:1-4; Zechariah 14:1-11,16 - even God's Holy Days or the Feast of Lord will be kept by all, Leviticus 23:1-4.

If you look at Revelation 7:9, you will see a mixed multitude of martyred Christians from all nations which no doubt will include more israelites and Gentiles from these nations who will be perfected by giving their lives for Christ. Of course there will be the exceptions from this martyrdom mentioned in Revelation 3:7-12 & Revelation 12:6 & 14-16 by the Philadelphia Church of God. These could be the 144,000 or another group altogether different than the ones in Revelation 7:3-8. It is not to clear who they are, but they will have about 45 days to flee to a place of safety before the Great Tribulation begins.

The question is just why are these Christians sealed? What is the difference between them and the 7th Day and 1st Day Christians that may make up the Laodicean Church in Revelation 3:14-22? Do you know? I'm still searching and may have some of the answers that may have to do with Genesis 1 & 2. What do you think?

The Lionswhelp


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arkwriter 7 years ago from Houston, Texas U.S.A. Author

 

I want to thank everyone who has written comments. I shall respond one by one.

Shetsio wrote:  “Based on your views on baptism, if I were you, I will be very concerned about the imperfect teachings of the other churches, and actively seek to lead them into salvation, even at the expense of being branded "elitist".

Arkwriter responds:  No, I am not concerned about the imperfect teachings of other churches.  In the Book of Revelation this sentence is repeated over and over again: “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says . . ."  Every denominational church has the Holy Bible.  It is up to them to search the truth out.  

Yes, I have been actively sharing the truth of the correct water baptism.  I have published “Baptism into the Lord Jesus Christ” since 1997 (about 12 years) on the Internet:

http://www.geocities.com/baptism_pw/

I do not think one has to be an “elitist” to get people to receive the correct mode of baptism.  The Holy Spirit guides them to ask for the baptism in this biblical example.  “As they went down the road, they came to some water.  And the eunuch said, "See, here is water.  What hinders me from being baptized?'  Then Philip said, 'If you believe with all your heart, you may.'  And he answered and said, 'I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.'  So he commanded the chariot to stand still.  And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him." (Acts 8:36-38)

Several people have responded like the eunuch and have asked me to baptize them.  In 1991 I rebaptized a Methodist woman in the River Jordan, Israel.  An American Apostolic Christian minister who witnessed the baptism showed great interest in the forward mode. and he invited me to speak to his church of more than 4,000 members in Washington, D.C.  Since then this minister has begun to baptize in this mode.  Many, many more Apostolic ministers have accepted this mode of baptism.  

The Lord Jesus Christ intends His baptism to be practiced and administered to all Christians everywhere all over the world.  This is the Great Commission.  “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them . . . .”  (Matt. 28:19)  “And He said to them, ‘Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.  He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” (Mk. 16:15-16)

In 2002 – 2004 a group of Russian Christians (five families of about 22 members) worshiped with our Church in Houston.  We had discussions about the correct mode of baptism with their ministers.  I was invited to preach in their church in Missouri.  They have begun to baptize their converts in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ with head bowed in  living water.  Go to this web site: 

http://www.geocities.com/ark_community/11rccm.htm

I have also baptized Messianic Jews in the correct mode.

http://hubpages.com/misc/apostolicmessianicbelieve

and even Muslims in the correct mode. 

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/testimonye

Sorry to bore you with these testimonies.  It’s getting a bit late now. 

I’ll respond to your other comments some time later.

May God bless you.

Arkwriter


ForObama 7 years ago

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cheaptrick 7 years ago from the bridge of sighs

hi arkwriter.please forgive me but you seem to be a bit aggresive in your views.perhaps its a sense of urgency in your mission on earth.a member of the religious right told me the other day that god completely emptied himself to become fully human in christ.as an armchair physicist i asked who was running the universe when god did that.his reply was"people did".we don't even understand the universe let alone run it.also,anthropolagists still don't understand the nuances of the original three languages the bible was written in.as one who speaks other languages i can tell you, somthing is always lost in translation let alone the evolution of the words deffinition over two thousand years.i'm sure god inspired the bible but i suspect that same god inspired many other books as well.it seems to me that every emination of man is inspired by god.so it is a matter of discernment."some men can read war and peace then walk away thinking they just read an adventure novel,some men can read a chewing gum rapper and unlock the secrets of the universe"...peace...


lionswhelp 7 years ago

Hey Cheaptrick,

When One of the Three emptied Himself there were still two others namely Yahovah the Father and Ruach HaKodesh - the Spirit who still had control of the universe, Genesis 1:1 & 2. People have their own numeros ideas about their abilities to try to discern how it was all done. Scripture is quite accurate about 'Who did it," check out John 1:1-18 for and opening testimony. Try Hebresws 1:1-13; 2:1--12;3:7-12.

The Lionswhelp


The lionswhelp 7 years ago

The question was, "Are you looking to join the perfect Church?

Yes, I am, but I have not fpund one yet. We have a small House Church that is very small and far from perfect yet. I have looked at many 7th Day Churches and though some are nearly perfect with keeping the Sabbath Day and Holy Days of God Leviticus 23, there are other problems with them. Most are male hierarchies of chain of command leadership types that exclude women from their ministry.

God's church is a priesthood of all believers and gender is no problem to Jesus Christ. See, 1 Peter 2:4-10; Galatians 3:28-29. history proves that there have been many women in the Churchews of God since the First one founded on Pentecost 31 A.D., Acts 2:17-18, Romans 16:1-7,15. In the Middle agesw there were many women in both the Albagensian and Waldensian Churches.

Another problem with most 7th Day Churches is that they do not accept the Holy Spirit as a member of the Godhead, 7th Day Adventist do, even though she is mentioned in Genesis 1:2 as Ruach Ha Kodesh- Mother. Also Jesus addressed Her as Ruach HaKodesh in John 3:3-8 by the same name in Hebrew. Ruach Ha Kodesh did not have a sex change in the NT Scriptures no matter what the Greeks or King James Bible says. Jesus spoke in the Aramaic Hebrew, not Greek or English. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today , and forever, Hebrews 13:8. He did not change His mind in any of the verses in John Chapters 14,15, nor 16.

Yes, I am still looking for that perfect Church which should be the Philadelphia Church of God, Revelations 3:7-13 or Revelations 12:1-6. Which has the Holy Spirit of God in her leading position Rev:12:1 as the Woman about to give birth to Her children, Isaiah 66:7-13 aqnd is the Mother of us all, Galatians 4:26. Have you found it yet?

The Lionswhelp


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jxb7076 7 years ago from United States of America

My reply is basic and simple.  If your church has people then their presence alone makes it an imperfect church.  But then, that's why we go to church.  Unfortunately most people go to church looking for God instead of Bringing God wih them and there in lies the problem. If you don't bring the spirit with you most likely you're not going to find Him there.  One may receive a warm and fuzzy feeling via the emotional response to the music, or the spoken word but the feeling is short lived!

Often times the perfect church consists of less than 10 people who are all on one accord.  The best church services I ve attended had only eight people in attendance but you could feel the presense of the Holy spirit. Perhaps it was because the eight people brought the spirit to church with them.  Until believers understand that they need to bring the spirit with them then the search for the perfect curch will be futile. 

The bride of Christ must prepare herself for the bride groom.  She must have resolved all her issues before approaching the alter.  We are the bride and we must clear our hearts of all that redirects our fucus away from the Bridegroom. Until we can walk into the church full of the Holy Spirit then the perfect church will be forever ellusive.  

 


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shazz01109 6 years ago from Western Massachusetts

I'm sorry I just found this hub. I wish that I had discovered it sooner. I love it! I don't think that there is one true church, or that any church has the monoploy of exactly how Christianity should be preached or practiced. And I say this, as I'ved said in several hubs, that humans created the church, not God. Humuns created religion, not God. And humans are by nature, flawed. Good hub.

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