Reincarnation, Karma and Biblical Interpretation

General George S. Patton, near Brolo, Italy, talking with Lt.Col. Bernard about military strategy. Patton remembered many past lives.
General George S. Patton, near Brolo, Italy, talking with Lt.Col. Bernard about military strategy. Patton remembered many past lives. | Source

Past Lives

Past lives or reincarnation implies that we are spiritual as well as physical beings. Genesis agrees. In fact, it says that Man was created twice. Firstly, Man was created in God's image (non-physical, spiritual and immortal source of creation). Secondly, Man was created from the dust of the ground (Homo sapiens). So, we are immortal spirit wrapped in Homo sapiens flesh, if you take the biblical approach. In fact, it's funny that most Christians never see the reincarnation that the Bible talks about. And as for us created in God's image the founder of Christianity had to remind his enemies, "ye are gods," albeit sleeping gods.

When you remember a past life, have an inspiration, find yourself relinquishing fear, or give up resentment to forgive someone completely, you are viewing reality through the "eyes" of your true self — dieu en moi.

I (Rodney Carl Martin, Jr.) have not lived before, but I (the sleeping immortal within) have. The name is attached to one body; the immortal child of God can be attached to many, over time.

When I was a Hollywood artist, many years ago, one of my employers was a lovely older, Jewish lady from India. She had immigrated to the US as a young adult, and one of the things she noticed about cultural differences was the focus of the news headlines. In India, she remembered more spiritual things on the front page like "young boy helps ex-wife find family fortune." The five-year old boy was bothered that he had died before he could tell his former wife where he had buried the family gold. And he resolved his worries by telling her. Talk about awkward!

Reincarnation: The Missing Link In Christianity
Reincarnation: The Missing Link In Christianity

This is a thoughtful, thorough and compelling book on reincarnation found in Christianity. I highly recommend this book to anyone searching for answers. This may not have everything pegged correctly, but it opens doors to humility and a hunger for answers.

 

Our Spiritual Nature

I'm certain that we are each individually spiritual beings. Some people have to undergo a trauma or surgery and/or drugs to experience being outside of their body. I was lucky not to require anything so drastic. Though I floated outside a second story window for only a few moments, I could see all of my surroundings with crystal clarity including the cracks in the pink stucco, the closed grayish-blue blinds between me and my body, and the near-empty parking lot next door.

Seven years later, I experienced creating a miracle which reminds me now of Moses parting the sea. If we were only physical bodies, such a miracle would not be possible. Physical objects cannot circumvent the laws of physical reality. Only a spiritual being with the ability to create can do such things. Perhaps we can call ourselves "children of God." In fact, during recent exegetical research in Genesis, it became clear to me that the Bible's first book describes God creating Man twice. Genesis 1:26 is about creating Man in God's image.

Biblical Interpretation

There are many interpretations of the Bible. But each person has their own path. Truth doesn't come to us in one bold flash. But if we don't approach it with humility, we tend to blind ourselves to the fruits of discovery.

One strange idea about the Bible involves a literal interpretation of Genesis. The literalist's date for creation is 4004 BC, given to us by the honest, scholarly work of Ireland's Archbishop Ussher, first published in 1650 AD. It may have been honest, but it was incomplete. A literal interpretation of Genesis isn't good enough. Why? To quote eleventh-century judge of the rabbinical court at Saragossa (Caesar Augusta), Spain, Bahya ben Joseph Ibn Paquda, "Bliss ungrounded in physical reality is not bliss but delusion." The same can apply to truth. Any belief not grounded in reality is also a delusion. Certainly, the realm of creation is outside of the space-time continuum, but we mortals have to work through reality in order to get there. Ignoring a tree stump will only result in tripping over it.

Any biblical interpretation that disagrees with physical reality might benefit from attempting to include reality's fruits of discovery (science). Take, for instance, Ussher's timeline. It says that humanity and the universe began about 6,000 years ago. This is commonly the view of the Young Earth Creationist. There are variations on that theme. Yet, scientists tell us that Man is at least 200,000 years old and that the cosmos is 13.7 billion years old.

One reason why biblical literalists are wrong in interpreting the Bible and claiming a young universe. Hubble photo of NGC 6621 and 6622, approximately 100 million years after their closest approach.
One reason why biblical literalists are wrong in interpreting the Bible and claiming a young universe. Hubble photo of NGC 6621 and 6622, approximately 100 million years after their closest approach. | Source

An Old Universe

One of my favorite sciences is astronomy. From this comes dozens of pictures of various pairs of galaxies suffering the aftermaths of collision. The Young Earth Creationists have been, well, "creative," in protecting their rather limiting interpretation of God and the universe. They keep a young universe by making the speed of light variable. So the light from galaxies billions of light years away, made it here in less than 6,000 years because smoking fast light was even faster in the past. There are some holes in this thesis, but ignore that for a moment. Take a look at any picture of galaxies colliding. Galaxies move far slower than light and are not subject to such changes in velocity. They obey the laws of inertia, momentum and gravity. And it takes millions of years for these galaxies to have their observed collisions. So a 6,000-year-old universe would make God look like a deceiver. Six thousand years ago, those galaxies would have been suffering the aftermath of collisions which supposedly never occurred.

Here you have one interpretation of a sacred book weighing in against dozens of scientific disciplines. It doesn't look good for the creationists. Recent exegetical research shows that a Genesis timeline compatible with science can exist (see www.GenesisCode.Net). So, the biblical literalists really don't need to hold onto their delusion. The Bible gets them off the hook, and they can make friends with science, after all.

"The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation" (Numbers 14:18, KJV).

Reincarnation and Karma in the Bible

Numbers 14:18 (sins of the fathers) speaks of karma and reincarnation. To speak otherwise would be to have a hypocritical God be falsely merciful by making innocent children pay for the crimes of their ancestors. As it is, the passage refers to children of the third and fourth generation after the perpetrator. This is enough time for the perpetrator to live out their arrogant life, die, be born again, and grow old enough to appreciate the boomerang they had thrown three or four generations earlier. The founder of Christianity also spoke of this when he said that anyone who lives by the sword will die by the sword. Many criminals are never victims, not in this life, at least.

The New Testament talks of reincarnation when it has people clamoring over John the Baptist, wondering which prophet he is, returned. And later, Jesus assures his disciples that John the Baptist was Elijah, despite John's denial (lack of memory) of that. Some Christians go so far as to say that reincarnation was "foreign to the Jewish mind." But they forget that Jews were asking about reincarnation. "John, are you Elijah returned to us?"

When Jesus and his disciples were leaving one of the gates of Jerusalem, one of the disciples asked about a blind man sitting there. Why had the man been born blind? Was it something he had done, or his parents had done? How can a blind man deserve to be born that way, unless he had lived before and committed some crime? They were talking about reincarnation. They didn't have to use the word to make it any plainer.

When the Bible says that God loved Jacob and hated Esau, it's talking about karma and reincarnation. How could God hate Esau in his mother's womb? You see, Esau had stolen someone else's birthright in a prior life. This time around, he had to pay the piper. And Jacob was happy to accept the challenge and take his twin brother's birthright from him. Esau was "dying by the sword" by which he had lived before.

Perhaps the most often used passage against reincarnation is that of Hebrews 9:27, "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" (KJV). But this passage is neither for nor against reincarnation. It is neutral on the subject. Why? A man consisting of one Homo sapiens body will live one life, certainly, then die and be judged for the virtues and crimes of that one life. Then, the immortal child of God will be born again of the flesh, and that body will die and be judged for its virtues and crimes. The Hebrews passage is not a valid argument against reincarnation, and can be read as consistent with reincarnation, though it doesn't support it directly.

These temporary bodies are our temples. We've worked at this for millions of years to build civilization, religion and wisdom to the point where we can discuss such things and open the door to our true selves.

Sometimes a child can remember things of the distant past, and all too frequently the adults around them teach them to forget. Let us teach them to remember.

Proof of Reincarnation

I've read numerous examples of so-called "proof" of reincarnation. Few are really convincing. One story of a little boy, who at age 2 woke up with nightmares about his favorite toys, is one of the more convincing tales. You see, his favorite toys were airplanes, and his nightmares were memories of crashing in a Corsair fighter plane during the last days of WWII. Over the next few years, his perplexed and skeptical father started to research some of the details his son had given him. He wanted to dispel any illusion that these dreams were anything more than a child's fantasy. The more he learned, the more he confirmed what his son had been saying. The name of the flattop ship from which his Corsair flew, the name of a friend from that ship who was still alive and living in the United States, and other details about airplanes and the military convinced the father that his son was indeed the true self of the dead pilot returned to the mortal world through reincarnation.

Understanding Why Reincarnation is Part of God's Plan

The Bible's Hidden Wisdom: God's Reason for Noah's Flood (Volume 1)
The Bible's Hidden Wisdom: God's Reason for Noah's Flood (Volume 1)

This book is from years of my own research into a biblical timeline compatible with those of mainstream science. I wasn't surprised that God's holy book would match his own creation (reality), but there were many surprises, including discovering through science the target of Noah's Flood -- a species which went extinct at that time.

 

Proof of reincarnation is not easy, and many are skeptical despite the evidence. For the scientist who thought the parents were deluding themselves, one has to ask, How could the young boy call out the name of a fellow soldier when meeting him for the first time in more than sixty years? When the young boy talked to the dead pilot's senior citizen sister, how could he know their elder sister's name?

In Dr. Ian Stevenson's book, Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation , one case is particularly compelling — that of a young Indian girl named Swarnlata Mishra. If the details of the story are accurate, then the tale offers convincing proof of reincarnation. Despite repeated attempts to trick her with false identities, she correctly identified numerous people from her prior life, including pet names she had used for them in that earlier life.

Why would reincarnation be part of God's universe? Our bodies may be young, compared to the universe, but our true selves are both very old and timeless. We have fallen. Miracles used to be easy. We have forgotten who we really are, and God wants His children back. Toward that divine purpose, He has given us an abundance of opportunities to return to Him. This includes numerous lifetimes.

How do you get sleeping immortals to hunger for a connection with God, when there is so much about the flesh that is seductive and wonderfully delicious? It takes time. It has taken millions of years, and reincarnation has given us the opportunities to nurture that hunger. Some of us have had more opportunities than others, and we need to be patient with those around us who do not yet see any value in spiritual things. The luster of the physical loses its bloom after thousands of lifetimes. After so many spouses, children and conquests, the need for something more meaningful leaves us with that divine hunger. We are no longer enamored with the Forbidden Fruit, and can wash away its poison. With that, the sleeping beauty within can awaken and be born again.

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HOOWANTSTONO 6 years ago

Can you show me where the Bible actually says "Reincarnation" I only find "Resurrection" which would in the true sense contradict reincarnation.

Adam was created flesh from the beginning, Man is "Flesh Soul and Spirit" and this is the image of God 3 in 1 "Father Son and Holy Spirit" 3 in 1


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lone77star 6 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

As I said in my article, the Bible doesn't have to use the word "reincarnation" when it describes it so clearly. I could describe a dog without using the word "dog," and you would know what I meant. And "resurrection" does not contradict reincarnation. If you're talking about the resurrection of Jesus after the crucifixion, you're comparing apples and oranges. You can have both kinds of fruit. The same applies for resurrection at the end of times (judgment). A child of God will be responsible for all of their lives and will pay or be rewarded accordingly. There is no contradiction.

And you make a claim, but I see no support offered for it, that Adam was created flesh from the beginning. And God said that Adam and Eve would surely die on the day they ate the Forbidden Fruit. Did they? Genesis 5 disagrees, if you take things too literally. It's quite possible that Eden was not a physical place and that Adam and Eve, there, were only spiritual in nature, for the Forbidden Fruit generated a spiritual death, not a physical one. That's why most humans cannot see without their mortal eyes. That's why most humans cannot walk on water.

Talking about mysteries of Genesis, why would God give such lavish protection to a murderer (Cain)? Is this a code for something else? Genesis also says that "their" name was Adam, both male and female. Here they're not talking about an individual man, but all of humanity.

If you were a Jewish mystic trying to wedge important wisdom into the writing and compiling of the Bible so that the traditionalists wouldn't veto it, how would you do it? The Kabbalah's "Tree of Life" is embedded in Genesis 4 and 5, right after Genesis 3 ends with the two Hebrew words for "Tree of Life." There is much more going on in the Bible than a literal interpretation can see.


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thevoice 6 years ago from carthage ill

terr9fic reading well done thanks


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Ashmi 6 years ago from Somewhere out there

Welcome to HP....I agree we are not the physical nor mental personality we think ourselves to be. This false belief is the ultimate cause of sorrow as we dis-identify with what we truly are. Anyway, back to my question.

What do you mean by reincarnation? Do you mean that an almost exact replica, at least as far as the psychological make-up of a person is, is reborn?

I understand that after the body dies, the mind merges with a "collective mind" forming a sort of memory body; in which random vestiges of all thoughts work their way into new bodies etc...this may account for so called past life experiences? What's your take on this?


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HOOWANTSTONO 6 years ago

Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose.

No reincarnation here so comparing apples to apples

Judging by your response, you are not convinced Jesus is God. So I would correctly say that anything goes as long as its not Biblically correct. Resurrection is Resurrection and can never be seen as anything else, talking of those resurrected after Christ, also Christ, and another is coming soon also another in a thousand or so years, chronology is important here and cant be kicked aside.


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lone77star 6 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

The mortal death of our Lord Jesus was accompanied by a great amount of activity, that's evident. I'm guessing that you take the quoted passage literally, word for word.

In all humility, I'm not certain what all of it means, but in verse 53 it says, "and appeared unto many." One could easily read this as ghosts (or astral bodies) that not everyone saw, just as some did not see Jesus after he returned unto the disciples. They "appeared unto many," but not unto all.

And I certainly agree. No reincarnation there. Just as easily, you could see a pack of dogs run by, turn around see a cat and say, "No dogs here." And you would be absolutely right.

The realm of creation is not like this earthly realm. English and any other languages of this world have poor vocabularies to discuss the timeless and discontinuous realm of creation. The Bible is in imperfect English, and before that imperfect Latin, Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew. That being said, Jesus was the son of God. Jesus also said that he was "one with the father." And Jesus reminded his enemies, "ye are gods." The kingdom of heaven is within you, and through faith, we can do the miracles of our master and even greater ones. As an enlightened being, is Siddhartha Gautama also "one with God?" When I experienced my miracle on Wilshire Boulevard, Los Angeles, 1977, I also was "one with God." And I long to be once again.

Now, I think you're being a bit rowdy with your logic. I can understand that this happens sometimes when someone is passionate about their subject. "I would correctly say" is an assertion for which you offer no proof. And your pejorative statement that "anything goes as long as it[']s not Biblically correct," is a presumption that you are "all knowing" and that your personal interpretation (or any interpretation that you borrowed from others) is infallible. I happen to think that the Bible is biblically correct, but a lot of conflicting interpretations are not. Welcome to the club.

Of course resurrection is resurrection. You and I happen to agree on this. I'm guessing that you have a confusion between resurrection and reincarnation. I see a big difference between the two, but resurrection was not being discussed. Your confusion between the two brought "resurrection" into the subject. In my prior example of cat and dogs, it's like you're saying I don't believe in dogs, "a cat is a cat." And certainly a cat is a cat, but it has nothing to do with dogs.

Adding to your logical fallacies, you include some more non sequiturs: "...and another is coming soon also another in a thousand or so years, chronology is important here and can[']t be kicked aside."

And who are you to say that I am doing any kicking? You brought up "kicking." Perhaps he who is without sin should throw the first kick.

Truth is wonderful, for with truth we are truly free. But any truth given to me was given and received only because I asked in all humility. From your statements, you seem confident of your interpretation, and not at all humble in the search for truth. I have faith in the Bible, not in my interpretation and what I've written is only that, yet I have far more confidence in my interpretation than in yours.


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HOOWANTSTONO 6 years ago

lone77star

"Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; "

Nice to have this debate, with your intellectual mannerisms and descriptions, but at the end, it still the same. I am pleased that you acknowledge that Jesus Christ is God. Deeper understanding that totally obliterates false mental ideas.

I love quoting the truth, even though mere men might think there is a mistake in language, but Gods Spirit, that is indwelling will always support what magnifies Jesus Christ, thus we know the truth of God through a relationship with God.

Therefore Gods interpretation is far superior than yours or mine, but if I magnify Christ then I speak the truth, which is of God.

To believe God means to believe his words even if they are through man (as Jesus was), then the disciples.


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lone77star 6 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thanks for telling me what I believe in. I'm glad you speak the truth. Yet I would not classify God's words as interpretation, ever. His words are source, and yes, far superior to the meager interpretations of you or me.


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lone77star 6 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thanks, Ashmi. Glad to be here.

You asked what I mean by reincarnation, but no I do not mean an almost exact replica. Some have tried to make a point that occasionally a person will reincarnate into a body that looks like their former body. That may happen, at times. This body is male, caucasian American, but I have memories of African. I also have memories of being female and far more strong-willed than I currently am, though I don't exactly consider myself to be a pushover, either.

Certainly we bring some of our former selves with us into a new life. Certainly karma. But psychological make-up is likely left behind. This is something that is created newly with each new body, by its upbringing, its experiences, and the like. Sometimes interests will be similar, especially if the entity feels they are not yet done with a particular form of expression. This may reveal itself in child prodigies, like Mozart.

You talk of specific details of between lives that many have speculated about. I'm not sure I believe any of it, but I don't discount it, either. Even Jung spoke of something like this "collective mind."

What you're asking sounds as if you think we may, at times, be remembering someone else's past lives from that "collective mind." God knows.

What is important to me is that something discovered to be a personal truth can create greater freedom. Any new awareness, in general, tends to do that. If a memory seems like it is your own, and you receive benefit (freedom) from it, then to deny that truth would be to refuse the gift. If a greater truth reveals itself at a later date, then accept that gift, too.


Deborah Sexton 6 years ago

Lone 77Star...I've dealt with HOOWANTSTONO before and he feels he has learned all there is to learn...I too KNOW there is reincarnation..Here are some things to be considered (I have a much more important example of reincarnation but so that the Christians here don't lynch me..I won't present it yet.

Jesus identified John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah the prophet is one of the clearest statements which Jesus made concerning reincarnation.

For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come. (Matt. 11:13-14)

And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand." (Christ is saying Elijah is here (as John) and will return again in the future as someone else)

Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13)

Jesus identified John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah. Even the disciples of Jesus understood what Jesus was saying.

Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. (Mal. 4:5)

I will let people study this before I go on.


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lone77star 6 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thanks, Deborah. Yes, I've heard the Elijah-John the Baptist connection many times. What Jesus said makes the reincarnation meaning very clear.


Deborah Sexton 6 years ago

HOOWANTSTONO 5 days ago You wrote

Can you show me where the Bible actually says "Reincarnation" I only find "Resurrection" which would in the true sense contradict reincarnation.

Adam was created flesh from the beginning, Man is "Flesh Soul and Spirit" and this is the image of God 3 in 1 "Father Son and Holy Spirit" 3 in 1 "

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The word "Rapture" isn't in the Bible either but Christians use it all the time.

The bottom part of your post is incorrect. You are misquoting scripture to prove a point.

1 John 5:7

7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

However I'm not sure how you feel this relates to you disproving reincarnation.


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lone77star 6 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Some good points Deborah. I continue to learn.


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James A Watkins 6 years ago from Chicago

You certainly have some interesting concepts. Thank you for presenting them here with such clarity. Welcome to the Hub Pages Community.


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lone77star 6 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thanks, James. I appreciate you taking the time. And thanks for the welcome. Glad to be here.


Deborah Sexton 6 years ago

Here is another interesting Scripture

Ecclesiastes 3

15. That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.


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lone77star 6 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Very interesting, Deborah. There may be a number of ways to interpret this one, but based on the context of the rest of Ecclesiastes 3, the implication seems to be that things repeat themselves (nothing new under the sun), or perhaps that reality has continuity (the fruit of the future is found in the seeds of the past). And the last phrase seems to match more closely this second interpretation, because judgment is based on (continuity) the acts of the past.

In this sense, the passage would be talking about "inertia." The mortal half of "man" is trapped in inertia. There are consequences to our actions (action-reaction; continuity). States tend to persist (inertia) unless acted upon by some outside force. A perceived hurt seems to require resentment. Crimes of the past require judgment. That is the physical reality at work.

When one forgives, one breaks with reality (a discontinuity), transcending above it into the realm of creation. Do this often enough, and one breaks with continuity altogether, becoming one with God, rather than one with physical continuity. I suspect this also means that one no longer is judged for the past cannot touch one. One has achieved everlasting life transcendent to this mortal realm.


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lone77star 6 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

*** NOTICE ***

For those who have already read this Hub, several days ago I added a new section, "Proof of Reincarnation," which might "prove" interesting. I hope you enjoy!


rm126 6 years ago

Hello there, very interesting reading. I'm researching this subject and found some fascinating articles which readers may like to look up. I found some serious food for thought and recommend highly. Here are the links:

http://pages.nyu.edu/~air1/biblictck.htm

http://pages.nyu.edu/~air1/biblicjdkba.htm

http://pages.nyu.edu/~air1/biblicekr.htm


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lone77star 6 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

rm126, thanks for the links. Some fascinating reading. Certainly thought provoking and worth the time.


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Kenny K 6 years ago from Canada

Lone77star, you seem to be a Christian with wild imagination influenced by New Age ideas. You seem to have studied the Bible verses well but to support your New Age ideas. I like the articles you write. Why don't you write article that talk about true Christian belief in the New Testament. Jesus will love you more...


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lone77star 6 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thank you, Kenny K, for your concern. But let us take a closer look at your statements.

What appears to be "wild imagination" to you, appears to me as half a century of thoughtful observation and investigation. God gave me a gift of critical analysis. I've used this gift in computer science for nearly 20 years of software engineering, with nearly 20 computer programming languages. This gift of critical analysis and intelligent observation allowed me to graduate with a bachelor's degree, summa cum laude. My IQ of 139 pegs me as borderline genius, but I'm well aware that there are far brighter bulbs in this universe. In fact, all three of my younger brothers have far higher IQ's. Perhaps "wild" applies only because one is not completely familiar with these very old ideas. My genius brothers also believe in this "old Christian" stuff.

"New Age?" With Jesus talking about these things, I would say they are decidedly "Old Age."

And with "true Christian belief" you raise the ugly spectre of crimes against humanity perpetrated by the church. The pogroms against the Cathars is only one such crime, all to quiet their beliefs in reincarnation. If you kill all those who don't believe as you do, does that make your beliefs suddenly "true?"

And is it presumptuous of you to speak for Jesus that He would love me more for telling a lie?

I have lived with "true Christian beliefs," and found them sorely lacking. I have found them shallow and incomplete. With great humility, I have asked for divine guidance. Have I received the message perfectly? With my imperfect ego involved, I have to wonder.

But I would trust my own instincts far more than the dogma of my grandfather's ministry -- a ministry borne out of nearly two millennia of murder and suppression. The truth is there, but interpretation of that truth is as varied as the flowers that decorate the Earth.

Just look up Giordano Bruno and reincarnation, the Cathars and reincarnation, and Origen and reincarnation. Origen was one of the founding fathers of the church, but 300 years after his death, his ideas of pre-existence and transmigration of souls had fallen into disfavor.

When any truth falls into disfavor, tyranny reigns. I am so glad we finally have the freedom to discuss such things openly.

The last time I was burned at the stake, we weren't so lucky. And, heaven help me, I'm still working on forgiving my Inquisitors.


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Edoka Writes 5 years ago

This hub is interesting and exciting; however, at this point in my life, I've come to terms with the fact that no one knows what the end of earthly life holds, until physical death.

Nevertheless, I've had several experiences with spirits- which let's me know that in some sense we are forever living.


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lone77star 5 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thank you, Edoka. I too do not know details of what happens at the end of our physical, mortal life. But I have seen without my body's physical eyes from a location not at my body. So, I know I am not my body.

I have performed several startling, cause-and-effect coincidence miracles, so I know that I am neither this Homo sapiens body nor this vulnerable ego, for neither have such power over physical law.

And I have memories and powerful feelings from a past this body has not known. Connecting with those past lives has freed me from great burdens in the present.

Thank you, Edoka, for your humility and your kind words.


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JamaGenee 5 years ago from Central Oklahoma

No degree (yet) but 30 years as a genealogist has provided me ample opportunities to develop and sharpen my ability to critically analyze data presented as fact. If one explores family histories for any length of time with an open mind, one learns that stories passed down orally from generation to generation *always* contain a grain of truth, and the rest of the story will be alterations made by whoever is telling the latest version.

What does this have to do with this hub, you ask? Well, I *know* there is some omnipotent being we call "God", one who at times has quite a sense of humor. But I quit believing decades ago that the Bible is anything but a collection of stories passed down from generation to generation, altered and/or embellished by whoever was telling them. When humans finally developed the ability to commit them to paper, it was the current versions that were immortalized and their meanings argued over ever since. We should not forget that the King James *version* is only a *revision* penned by mortal men 300 years ago. Unless one has access to and can compare it to previous versions, one can't possibly know what those men deleted, altered, or added.

And like you, Rod, I have many memories from past lives. Some have allowed me to resolve issues left unresolved in a previous life; others simply tell me why I have certain likes, dislikes and phobias in this one.


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lone77star 5 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

@JamaGenee, good points. A lifetime of science, logic, mathematics, computer programming, comparative religion and other topics has made me pretty astute at critically analyzing data, too. I don't claim to understand it all or even to have it all figured out.

Have mistakes been made? Certainly they have. Is any truth remaining in the text? I think there is, simply because going on that assumption has allowed me to find other things in the Bible (particularly Genesis) that have remained hidden for thousands of years.

For instance, the fact that Kabbalists were around for the writing and/or compiling of Genesis. Most scholars think Kabbalists were a rather recent phenomenon (Middle Ages).

In 1973, I discovered the mechanics of creation and have used it dozens of times since then. The remarkable fact is that anyone can do these things and even greater. But what is amazing about Genesis is that it has these same "mechanics" embedded in the first two chapters.


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JamaGenee 5 years ago from Central Oklahoma

As I said earlier, there's a grain of truth in every story. Bravo to you for having the determination and fortitude to ferret out those hidden grains in the Bible.


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lone77star 5 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thanks, Jama. No doubt there are many more mysteries to be solved.


Pedro Morales 5 years ago

You are correct about the outrageous fallacies of a literalist interpretation of the biblical texts. They tend to be oversimplistic and sometimes ridiculous.

But in your own interpretation you do not take into consideration of the historico-critical research of the last 200 years on the book of Genesis.

The two different versions of the creation of man and woman represent two different school of jewish religious thinking that had a hand in the composing of the text of Genesis. Besides the valid criticism that the Genesis story does not convey a scientific coverage of what happened at the beginning of the universe(that was not the intention of its writers), the book itself has been shown to contain different literary forms and styles that manifest the hand of more of one author in its composition.


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lone77star 5 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thanks, Pedro. You make some good points.

Yes, I did not take into consideration the historico-critical research of recent centuries. I did that on purpose. The reason for this short article was to focus on other issues.

Don't be dazzled by the differences between the "Priestly" and the "Yahwistic" portions of the Bible. The apparent conflicts and curious repetitions may be much more than they seem. The contention of this thesis is that the supposed problems of the Bible are not necessarily intrinsically problematic.

And how do you know the intention of the writers of Genesis?

Perhaps they did intend a partial "scientific" or "historically accurate" portrayal, but also partially spiritual. And there were apparently more than two traditions at work in the writing and compilation of the Pentateuch.

What I've found in Genesis gives us a timeline compatible with those of science. It also gives us the Kabbalah's "Tree of Life" embedded in two chapters of Genesis -- the female (descending) half in one chapter, and the male (ascending) half in the subsequent.

I discovered these things in only a decade of intensive study, and yet I've only scratched the surface. There seems to be a lot more in there waiting to be discovered.


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jirel 4 years ago from Philippines

Thank you so much for this beautiful hub.We must never stop believing things.Thank you for sharing nice things of Bible.I'm glad you respect all religions.The comment you posted on my hub made me feel so.:).I respect all religions too.They teach us good things.

I've heard about reincarnations too.They are really interesting.Some people need proofs of everything.But by doing so, they are really being ignorant.I'm glad to know that you believe in the spiritual body and reincarnation.Thanks a lot for taking your time to write this hub and giving us more information.


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lone77star 4 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Jirel, thank you for you beautiful comments. They made my day! Wisdom can be found all around us. Some focus on the physical and miss out on so much. I have studied both the physical (sciences) and the spiritual and see so much more in the latter.


Joseph Roberts 3 years ago

Reincarnation

8 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

Hebrew 4 “So I swore in My wrath,

‘They shall not enter My rest ) (Until Christ came that rest was not possible)

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light

( why is His burden light, because He has no Karma He is living out our karma.)

John 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

OF Course we all must die once and then be judged and maybe sent back when we will reap what we have sown and be still under the sting of death.

(We do not escape the sting of death until we are resurrected.)

We could possibly be Born of the Spirit and come back to bring to completion our Spiritual work that the Lord has planned for us.

REVELATION 3

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out:

REV 1413 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”


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lone77star 3 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thanks, Joseph. Some beautiful wisdom. I continue to learn.

We are each ancient beings, created in the beginning (Gen.1:26). We look like the Father -- immortal, non-physical sources of creation. That's why Jesus said so often that by one's own faith is one healed. That's why Peter could stand on the water before his master, even if only for a moment.

These Homo sapiens bodies are not the real us. They were created later (Gen.2:7), from the dust, which of course is not the image and likeness of the Father.

Reincarnation is an ancient truth, along with karma, giving us multiple opportunities to ponder our mortality and to return to our immortality -- the oneness with God that we once had.

May the blessings of the Father be with you always.


Lance Roberts 3 years ago

Reincarnation

the Taboo Word for so called Christians. Biblical reincarnation is nothing do with Buddaism Induism.

There has been great efforts by the Catholic Church and other churches and chapels to ridicule people who accept reincarnation in the Bible. Some have even been persecuted. This is happening to me and many others at this very moment but the truth carries on regardless. Of course the Roman church sort of tried to replace reincarnation with purgotary, which brought them great wealth over the years, with special prayers and so on. In many Churches this still goes on.

The penalty of excluding from the Bible is 2000 years of going round in circles and inspite Theologions, scholars, and the man made dogma and doctrines they created, the truth of Biblical reincarnation had come out eventually, with great embarassment to the establishment.

As Paul wrote;

Cor 1

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

Matt 11 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.

Just from some verses below and there are hundreds more, it is easy to understand why reincarnation is essential to fully comprehend the scriptures.

Hebrew 4 “So I swore in My wrath,‘They shall not enter My rest" ) Rest from what ? Rest from reincarnation. (Until Christ came that rest was not possible)

MATTH 11

8 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light

( why is His burden light, because He is the Son Of God and has no Burden He is living out our Burden and if you Believe: !!!

May be one day we will repeat Yeshua's last words on the Cross.

YES " IT IS FINISHED.") And we can enter His Rest.

John 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

OF Course as PAUL said "we all must die once" and then be judged and maybe sent back when we will reap what we have sown and be still under the sting of death.

(We do not escape the sting of death until we are resurrected.)

We could possibly be Born of the Spirit and come back to bring to completion our Spiritual work that the Lord has planned for us.

REVELATION 3

11 Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out:

REV 1413 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”


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lone77star 3 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thank you, Lance Roberts. This was a breath of fresh air.

Thank you for a comment so full of spirit.


Alyssa Martin 3 years ago

Hello sir. Do you do past life analysis or regression on people or know somebody who does?


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lone77star 3 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Hi @Alyssa Martin. I apologize for not responding sooner. I only saw, today, the "flag" that a message had been left here. I hope you're doing well.

I am a spiritual counselor and sometimes touch on past lives, but I don't concentrate on the topic, unless the client needs to.

Why are you interested in past life analysis or regression? What is your goal?

My purpose is to help people increase their spiritual awareness. Naturally, this would allow them to see past lives more easily, but much more.

I have known many counselors who helped people with past life memories. These were Scientologists. I wouldn't recommend the current Church of Scientology, but there are many ex-Scientologists who were highly trained and continue to practice. Some of them are members of what is called the Free Zone. It seems even this church has been beset with the forces of ego.

If you want to discuss this further, I recommend you contact me through HubPages or through one of my websites. Try, for instance,

http://www.tharsishighlands.com/contact.php

Thanks for your interest.

Rod Martin, Jr.


dirk@imagesbydirk.com 2 years ago

The beginning of the teaching scroll called The Gospel of Thomas begins: These are the secret teachings of Jesus written down by Judas Didymus Thomas. Anyone who penetrates the mysteries behind these words will not taste death. It then goes on to outline a pathway to immortality. Adam and Noah and Methuselah all lived 900 years, why can't we? We can if we cast off the sins of Judaism and Christianity. We are already immortal if we only "realize" it!


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lone77star 2 years ago from Cebu, Philippines Author

Thanks, Dirk. That's very interesting, but most people would have no idea how to "realize it." Some people would think that such immortality means physical life, instead of spiritual life.

Could it be that none of the early individual patriarchs lived over 100 years? The beginning of Homo sapiens happened far earlier than 6000 years ago, so the Genesis timeline is far too short. The patriarch ages in Genesis 5 may refer instead to eponymous tribes. See Genesis 5:2 for clarity on this.

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