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Ezekiel 18:4 (King James Version)

 4Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The general concept of the soul today, dates back to Babylonia, Greece, Egypt, all influenced by Satan who said to Eve, "you shall not really DIE", a DIRECT CONTRADICTION to what God said.

Many translations are not consistent in how they render the word for soul. 4 comments

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"Soul" ----- A Living Creature, Human or Animal; Life as an Intelligent Person; Hebrew, (ne'phesh); Greek, (psy-khe' ).

In the Hebrew Scriptures the Hebrew word ne'phesh occurs 754 times, first in Ge 1:20.

In the Christian Greek Scriptures the Greek word psy-khe' occurs by itself 102 times, first in Mt 2:20. This includes Eph 6:6 and Col 3:23, where it is in the expression "whole-souled."

Animals are Souls

Ge 1:20, 21, 24, 30; 2:19; 9:10, 12, 15, 16; Le 11:10, 46, 47; 24:18; Nu 31:28; Job 41:21; Eze 47:9.

A living person or individual is a soul.

Ge 2:7; 12:5; 14:21; 36:6; 46:15, 18, 22, 25, 26, 27, 27; Ex 1:5, 12:4, 16; 16:16; Le 2:1; 4:2, 27; 5:1, 2, 4, 15, 17; 6:2; 7:18, 20, 21, 25, 27 etc., etc.,

Nu 5:6; 15:27, 28, 30; 19:18, 22; 31:35, 40, 46; etc., etc.,

Jer 43:6; 52:29; La 3:25; Eze 27:13; Ac 2:41, 43: 7:14; 27:37; Ro 13:1; 1Co 15:45; 1Pe 3:20; 2Pe 2:14

Creature soul is mortal, destructible.

Ge 12:13; 17:14; 19:19, 20; 37:21; Ex 12:15, 19; 31:14; Le 7:20, 21, 27; Nu 9:13; 15:30; De 19:6, 11; 22:26; 27:25; Jos 2:13, 14; 10:28, 30, 32, 35, 37, 39; 11:11; 20:3, 9: Jg 5:18; 16:16, 30; 1Ki 19:4; 20:31; Job 7:15; 11:20; 18:4; 33:22; 36:14; Ps 7:2; 22:29; 66:9; 69:1; 78:50; 94:17; 106:15; 124:4; Pr 28:17; Isa 55:3; Jer 2:34; 4:10; 18:20; 38:17; 40:14; Ez 13:19; 17:17; 18:4; 22:25, 27; 33:6; Mt 2:20; 10:28; 26:38; Mr 3:4; 14:34; Lu 6:9; 17:33; Job 12:25; Ac 3:23; Ro 11:3; Heb 10:39, Jas 5:20, Re 8:9, 12:11; 16:3.


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The Dark Ages were a time of opulent religious excesses and severe violations of justice. During this time the Bible was shrouded in dead languages and kept from the people. Bible translators were burned alive and anyone who would dare seek to own or study a Bible would receive the same fate. It is estimated that 50 millions of people were murdered as a result of the oppressive church/state system which developed during the Dark Ages.

Certain doctrines held as sacred and foundational were forged of compromise and political ambition common during this fearsome period in church history. Doctrines were believed, not because of conviction, but because of coercion. It was not until the time of the end—this time in which we are now living—that Christians have had the privilege of searching the Scriptures to examine doctrine without fear of reprisal. The study of the immortal soul is the object of consideration in this issue—to seek its origins and to discover whether there is any Scriptural foundation for this doctrine.

Popular Philosophy Evolves into Doctrine

There is a longing hope within men that death does not end all existence; that somehow and somewhere, the life now begun will have a continuation. The most common belief of all religions is that people possess souls, and at death their consciousness in the form of that soul departs from the body to abide in either a paradise or a place of punishment.

The concept of the immortal soul was introduced into man’s thinking at the earliest beginnings of human history. The ancient Egyptians practiced elaborate ceremonies to prepare the pharaohs for their next life. Immortality of the soul was an important aspect of ancient thought espoused by Greek philosophers. Plato, in Phaedo, presents Socrates’ explanation of death: “Is it not the separation of soul and body? And to be dead is the completion of this; when the soul exists in herself, and is released from the body and body is released from the soul, what is this but death?” (Five Great Dialogues, Classics Club edition, 1969, p. 93) Socrates lived ca. 470-399 B.C. and Plato ca. 428-348 B.C., and so their views of the immortal soul predated Christianity.

Plato continued to refine the philosophy of the immortal soul, thus making it the more seductive and acceptable to the cultured class of his day. He taught that each man contained a fragment of deity, and that this would prevent him from ever dying. He also taught that the soul existed before the body which it inhabited, and which it would survive.

The popularity of this philosophy spread, and by about A.D. 200 it was mixed with the Christian doctrine of the resurrection. The Evangelical Dictionary of Theology notes that Origen (ca. 185-254 A.D.), an early and influential church theologian, was greatly affected by Plato: “Speculation about the soul in the subapostolic church was heavily influenced by Greek philosophy. This is seen in Origen’s acceptance of Plato’s doctrine of the preexistence of the soul as pure mind (nous)...” (1992, p. 1037, “Soul”) Origen was the first person to attempt to organize Christian doctrine and Platonic philosophy into a systematic theology. He wrote: “. . . The soul, having a substance and life of its own, shall after its departure from the world, be rewarded according to its deserts, being destined to obtain either an inheritance of eternal life and blessedness . . . or to be delivered up to eternal fire and punishments . . .” (Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 4, 1995, p. 240) Origen’s views caused great controversy within the church.

Augustine, another influential Christian theologian and admirer of Platonic philosophy profoundly affected Christian thinking. Richard Tarnas in writing The Passion of the Western Mind, points to this influence: “. . . It was Augustine’s formulation of Christian Platonism that was to permeate virtually all of medieval Christian thought in the West. So enthusiastic was the Christian integration of the Greek spirit that Socrates and Plato were frequently regarded as divinely inspired pre-Christian saints . . .” (1991, p. 103)

Like Plato, Augustine proposed that God breathed a little of His deity into Adam and that this entity would never die. Although strenuously contested as error by many of the honorable church leaders, Augustine’s view won out, and the error became fixed as a foundation doctrine from the sixth century to the nineteenth when Bible study began to be tolerated.

The Historical Jewish Perspective

The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia states: “We are influenced always more or less by the Greek, Platonic idea that the body dies, yet the soul is immortal. Such an idea is utterly contrary to the Israelite consciousness and is nowhere found in the Old Testament.” (1960, Vol. 2, p. 812, “Death”) In confirmation of this, The Jewish Encyclopedia states: “The belief that the soul continues in existence after the dissolution of the body is... speculation... nowhere expressly taught in Holy Scripture... The belief in the immortality of the soul came to the Jews from contact with Greek thought and chiefly through the philosophy of Plato, its principal exponent, who was led to it through Orphic and Eleusinian mysteries in which Babylonian and Egyptian views were strangely blended.” (1941, Vol. VI, “Immortality of the Soul,” pp. 564, 566)

So, what does the Old Testament teach about the soul? The Hebrew word translated “soul” is nephesh, which simply means “a breathing creature.” Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words defines nephesh as “the essence of life, the act of breathing, taking breath... The Hebrew system of thought does not include the combination or opposition of the ‘body’ and ‘soul’ which are really Greek and Latin in origin.” (1985, p. 237-238, emphasis added)|

The Hebrew words nephesh caiyah mean “living soul” and these words apply not only to man but to all of God’s living creatures. “To every beast of the earth and to every fowl of the air and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth wherein there is life.” Notice here that in the margin against the word life appear the words “Hebrew: a living soul.” In other words, all differences between the lower and higher souls are not by reason of the lower animals having a different kind of breath or spirit of life, for “they have all one breath” (Eccl. 3:19) and all are considered by God as souls—sentient beings.

Defining the Soul and Spirit“The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.” (Genesis 2:7) When Adam’s body was formed of the elements of the earth, he had eyes, ears, and a brain, but so far no ability to see, hear or think. Then God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. Notice, the Bible does not say that God breathed into his nostrils a soul.

The word “spirit” is, in the Old Testament, from the Hebrew word ruach. Its signification primarily is breath; and hence we have the expression “breath of life,” or “spirit of life,” because the spark of life once started is supported by breathing. When the breath stops, the spirit of life ends. The result of the breath of life having been breathed into Adam was that he “became a living soul.” Adam’s lifeless body was now animated with sense perception—he was now a sentient being.

Many reverse this scriptural statement, and instead of speaking of man as being a soul, they speak of him as having a soul—a very different thought. This reversal of scripture perpetuates the original deception which Satan slyly presented to Mother Eve—that God was lying and that she and Adam would not die if they disobeyed. Thus, Satan was the first to inject the teaching of the immortality of the soul into human thought.

Does the Soul Die?

Because of inherited sin, the death of the physical body is inevitable, but what about the soul? If we attribute to the soul immortality, (the very term immortal means a condition in which death is impossible) then, even God could not destroy it. But the Scriptures state plainly that “God is able to destroy both soul and body.” Matthew 10:28

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God told Adam and Eve, (two living souls) that they would “surely die” if they disobeyed Him. (Gen. 2:17) It is the soul, the sentient being, the will or mind of a man which is responsible for sin, and it is the soul, therefore, which is to bear the penalty of sin. That penalty is distinctly stated to be death. “The wages of sin is death.” (Rom. 6:28) “The soul that sinneth it shall die.” Ezek. 18:4

From this standpoint we can see that Adam was created mortal—in a condition in which death was a possibility. Had Adam remained obedient he would have continued living forever, everlastingly—and yet all the while he would have been mortal, liable to death if he became disobedient.

Because he was not immortal God’s threat that if he disobeyed he should die, meant something. It meant the loss of the spark or “breath of life,” without which the body would return to dust and the living soul or sentient being would cease. Had Adam been immortal, God’s sentence would have been an empty threat. But because Adam was mortal, liable to death, he died because of his disobedience.

What is the Death State?

King David said of death: “His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.” (Psa. 14:6) If immortal, the thoughts of a man would not perish, but would go on to another state of being. Solomon said: “There is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom in the grave whither thou goest.” The dead are not conscious, for both the body and the mind of a man cease to exist at death. “For the living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing ...” Eccl. 9:5, 10

The Apostle Paul describes death as “sleep.” “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep [dead], that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope… For the Lord himself shall descend [at his second coming] from heaven with a shout... and the dead in Christ shall rise first.” (1 Thes. 4:13, 16) If the dead were conscious, then they would have no need to be raised.

Hope Beyond the Grave

Although the Scriptures do not support the thought that the soul is immortal, they do abound with the hope of a resurrection from death in due time. “God will redeem my soul [that sentient being which had been alive] from the grave [sheol—the condition of death].” Psa. 49:15

When Jesus “poured out his soul [being] unto death” “he made his soul an offering for sin” and became our ransom-price. (Isa. 53:10,12) This was necessary, because it was Adam’s soul that was sentenced to death, and the promise to mankind is a redemption of soul or being from the power of death. Therefore, Jesus’ soul, life, was poured out in death. The penalty of Adam’s sin was death (everlasting,) and when Jesus took his place he became subject to that penalty—eternal death. Jesus, as a man, then, in order to redeem man had to give up forever his human existence.

The Bible declares that as all of Adam’s race share by heredity in his death penalty, so they all shall be permitted to share in recovery from the power of the grave as they learn of and accept Christ. As Paul expressed: “As by a man comes death, by a man also comes the resurrection of the dead; for as all in Adam die, even so shall all in Christ be made alive.” ICor. 15:21-23

Immortality Brought to Light

The Apostle Paul explains that the term immortality had no application before the resurrection of Jesus. Our Lord received immortality at his resurrection as a reward for his faithful obedience “unto death, even the death of the cross.” “Wherefore, God hath highly exalted him [to the promised divine nature, at his resurrection], and given him a name that is above every name [Jehovah’s name excepted].” 1 Cor. 15:27; Heb. 12:3,2; 2 Cor. 8:9; Phil. 2:8,9

Paul declares that Jesus “abolished death [broke its hold on man] and brought (1) life and (2) immortality to light through the gospel.” (2 Tim. 1:10) This shows that: (1) life in perfection, lasting life, is separate and distinct from (2) immortality, indestructibility. In addition, it shows that neither of these great blessings had been disclosed or made accessible previous to the gospel.

The Offer of Everlasting Life: Perfect Humanity

During God’s Kingdom on earth, His plan of salvation for the general race of Adam is to extend to each member of it the offer of everlasting life through the precious blood of the Lamb. Adam’s race will be offered “restitution” (Acts 3:19-21) to perfect human life—the same that Adam possessed before his fall from grace. Restitution in its ultimate sense will bring the restored ones not only out of the grave, but also out of their sick and dying condition.

By the close of God’s thousand year Kingdom, all the obedient of mankind shall have attained all that was lost in Adam and redeemed by Christ. Then, armed with complete knowledge and experience, all will be fully able, as individuals, to stand the test of obedience. They will not be rewarded with immortal life, but will be granted everlasting life here upon the earth as long as they remain obedient.

The Offer of Immortality: A New Creation

God purposes not only to give the world of mankind life everlasting, but to give the faithful followers of Jesus a higher kind of life—immortality, the divine nature. Immortality is “brought to light” for this special class only, the Church, which, by God’s wonderful favor, is now being called, tested, and selected to be joint-heirs with Christ. This inherent life is referred to by our Lord: “As the Father hath life in himself [immortality] so hath he given unto the Son that he should have life in himself [immortality]” and that he should give it unto whomsoever he would—his bride, his Church. (John 5:26; Eph. 3:6) Paul tells Christians to “seek” this gift from Christ and to “put on” immortality, implying that they did not already have it inherently. Rom. 2:5-7; 1 Cor. 15:51-55

The hope of the Church, Christ’s bride, is that she will share in his glory, honor and immortality if faithful. It is written respecting “the resurrection” of the Church: “It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption [immortality]: it is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: it is sown a natural [animal] body; it is raised a spiritual body.” 1 Cor. 15:42-44,49; Rev. 2:10

What a glorious prospect! Then, “the Spirit [Christ] and the Bride say, Come... And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.” Rev. 22:17

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