SUICIDE: THE RESULT? HEAVEN OR HELL

Maro Zawodny with a graduation picture of his son Morgen. Suicide - The Grieving Father
Maro Zawodny with a graduation picture of his son Morgen. Suicide - The Grieving Father

SUICIDE


Suicide is the intentional taking of one's own life. It may also mean the sense of the willful destruction of self-interest. Suicide may occur for a number of reasons, including depression, desperation, guilt, shame, physical pain, financial problems, etc.

According to the World Health Organization, over one million people commit suicide every year, and it is one of the leading causes of death among teenagers and adults under 35. There are also an estimated 10 to 20 million non-fatal attempted suicides every year worldwide.

The object of this article is not to discuss why suicide occurs, but rather the aftermath of the suicide and whether the person will go to heaven or hell after the person commits the act. There are endless disputes for and against suicides being saved.


Judas Iscariot
Judas Iscariot

BIBLICAL SUICIDES


The Bible mentions six specific people who committed suicide: Abimelech (Judges 9:54), Saul (1 Samuel 31:4), Saul's armor-bearer (1 Samuel 31:4-6), Ahithophel (2 Samuel 17:23), Zimri (1 Kings 16:18), and Judas (Matthew 27:5). Five of them were wicked, evil, and sinful men but we cannot judge Saul's armor-bearer as to his character. Nothing much is written about his character.

Some consider Samson an instance of suicide (Judges 16:26-31), while others think otherwise. Samson's goal was to kill the Philistines, not himself.


Abimelech

  • Judges 9:52 -54 Ahimelech slew his brethren (70)

Samson

  • Judges 16:25-30
  • Samson died for a cause he believed in and for revenge on God's enemies. He prayed to God for strength to destroy the Philistine. He left the decision entirely in the hands of God. He wasn't hopeless, and had hope and faith. By contrast, those who commit suicide are without hope, and are intent on taking their own lives regardless of what God's intends or what His will may be. Samson's object was not specifically to kill himself, but to be avenged by God in his killing of the Philistines. This was in full accord with the purpose of God, who allowed it. Samson died as a soldier in battle carrying out the will of God. He brought judgment upon God's enemies, and he should not be considered as a suicide.

Saul

  • 1 Samuel 19:10-11; 1 Samuel 28,31
  • Saul sinned against God by tryinng to kill David, unable to live up to certain expectations; he consulted a witch, felt rejected and was a failure as king.

Saul's armor-bearer

  • 1 Samuel 31:5 Impulsive, he wanted to die with his boss. 40% of teenage suicide is because of impulsiveness. He believed in his boss, Saul rather than God.

Ahithophel

  • 2 Samuel 17:23 Ahithophel was bitter and angry because his advice was rejected.

Zimri

  • 1 Kings 16:15-20 Rebellious Zimri of Israel had a problem with authority. He reigned only seven days in Tirzah.

Judas

  • Matthew 27:3-5 Depressed, Judas felt trapped by his own action and hung himself. The biblical suicides sinned against God and His commandments and thus ended their own lives. Can those who sinned against God be saved? How do you classify a Christian who disobeyed God in his last moments of life? Is he still considered a Christian in his last throes?

The Biblical suicides were evil men and did not obey the commandments of the Lord. Towards the end of their lives, they commit suicide because they saw no hope in the future.. To continue living in despair is not an option for them, and they took the easy way out. Little did they know that they will live forever in darkness.


King Saul
King Saul

MAN GIVEN FREE WILL TO CHOOSE WHILE ALIVE


Man was given the freedom of choice from the very beginning of his creation in the book of Genesis 2:17. God gave the warning to Adam: "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Man can choose to obey God or die and he chose death.

Eve disobeyed God and listened to the serpent and ate the forbidden fruit and then gave it to Adam who willingly also ate it. Because of disobedience, they were banished from the garden of Paradise. If Adam and Eve were punished for their disobedience, then should not the suicides be punished as well? Some may question those who are not in their right mind and have no control of themselves. One may question how they arrive at this stage of mind. They did not ask God to deliver them from evil. They did their own thing. They chose to obey their own minds rather than seek God for solutions to their problems. Are these people still Christians at heart?

When a person commits suicide, he dies and life ceases. There is no more movement in him for he has ceased to function. He has committed a crime against himself and against the commandments of God in self murder, which is another word for suicide (Exodus 20:13). He has disassociated himself from God by his very action. When a man rejects God, God will reject him, but when he repents, God would forgive him. The suicide is dead, so how can he repent? Can he ask for forgiveness when his life ceases and there is no pulse in him? His body is dead and every part of him is dead. No reaction whatsoever.

Deuteronomy 30:16 states: "In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply..."

To live in death is to be with Jesus and to sit with Him to worship Him in eternity. Can those who died by suicide claim that they were obedient to the Lord Jesus until they died?


DOES BEING A CHRISTIAN ENSURE ONESELF TO BE SAVED FOREVER?


Believers' thoughts on Suicide

Will God forgive suicide?

"My premise for believing that a person once saved can still fall into judgment at the hands of God, is that God gave us free will. I don't believe that God takes away our free will when we are saved. I believe we have to choose each and every day whom we will serve; ourselves or God. Let's look at another passage: (John 10:27-30 NIV)

My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

{28} I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.

{29} My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.

{30} I and the Father are one." Notice that Jesus says no one can snatch us from His hand. But is that the same as saying I will never let them go? I don't think so. I don't think Jesus is saying that we cannot choose to leave our position, I believe He is saying that Satan nor anyone else can cause you to lose your salvation. We are secure as long as we want to be secure.

First let's look at the Old Testament. (Ezekiel 18:23-28 NIV) Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

{24} "But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die.

{25} "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Hear, O house of Israel: Is my way unjust?

Is it not your ways that are unjust?

{26} If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin, he will die for it; because of the sin he has committed he will die.

{27} But if a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life.

{28} Because he considers all the offenses he has committed and turns away from them, he will surely live; he will not die. God does not pull any punches at all, He clearly says here that if a righteous man turns away from Him, He will not remember the righteousness any longer. He also states that He does not take pleasure in death, but wants everyone to come to Him." "The Bible views suicide as equal to murder, which is what it is—self-murder. God is the one who is to decide when and how a person should die. To take that power into your own hands, according to the Bible, is blasphemy against God."


Frontline Ministries - Can a Person Who Commits Suicide be Saved ...


Here is how John MacArthur, a very respected Bible teacher today, answers the question: Can one who commits suicide be saved?

Suicide is a grave sin equivalent to murder (Exodus 20:13; 21:23), but it can be forgiven like any other sin. And Scripture says clearly that those redeemed by God have been forgiven for all their sins--past, present, and future (Colossians 2:13-14). Paul says in Romans 8:38-39 that nothing can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus. So if a true Christian would commit suicide in a time of extreme weakness, he or she would be received into heaven (Jude 24). But we question the faith of those who take their lives or even consider it seriously--it may well be that they have never been truly saved. I say that because God's children are defined repeatedly in Scripture as those who have hope (Acts 24:15; Romans 5:2-5, 8:24; 2 Corinthians 1:10, etc.) and purpose in life (Luke 9:23-25; Romans 8:28; Colossians 1:29). And those who think of committing suicide do so because they have neither hope nor purpose in their lives.

Furthermore, one who repeatedly considers suicide is practicing sin in his heart (Proverbs 23:7), and 1 John 3:9 says that "no one who is born of God practices sin." And finally, suicide is often the ultimate evidence of a heart that rejects the lordship of Jesus Christ, because it is an act where the sinner is taking his life into his own hands completely rather than submitting to God's will for it. Surely many of those who have taken their lives will hear those horrifying words from the Lord Jesus at the judgment--"I never knew you; Depart from me, you who practice lawlessness" (Matthew 7:23). So though it may be possible for a true believer to commit suicide, we believe that is an unusual occurrence. Someone considering suicide should be challenged above all to examine himself to see whether he is in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5).

[End of MacArthur's quote]


TO BE SAVED, ONE MUST ENDURE TO THE END


Matthew 10:22; 24:13; Mark 13:13

  • But he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

James 1:12

  • Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.


Psalm 119:33

  • Teach me, O Lord, the way of thy statutes; and I shall keep it unto the end.



Repentance
Repentance

REPENTANCE IS NECESSARY FOR HEALING


A person who believes in Jesus Christ has hope in the future. A person may be tempted temporarily and stumble, but repents when he recovers and when he becomes stronger can ask Jesus for forgiveness and will be forgiven. Take Peter who denied Jesus three times, he was forgiven. King David committed adultery, murder and covetousness which are mortal sins but was forgiven by God when he repented. However, he was punished severely for his sins. His daughter, Tamar was raped by his step-brother, his two sons rebelled against him and he had to flee for his life, his ten wives were raped by his own son, his adultery with Bathsheba resulted in the death of the baby. David, however, was a man after God heart for he sorely repented. He wrote many of the Psalms in the Bible. He repented sorely and cried to the Lord for repentance. The suicide has no chance of repenting and therefore there is no chance to make up for his sin in suicide.

May the Lord Jesus have mercy on the family of the suicide and give them strength to battle against depression and sorrow caused by their beloved ones. Jesus Christ is just and without prejudice and righteous in His judgment of everyone in the world. All glory to the Lord God of the universe.


Suicide Videos - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL703930DC2524AF56Please these videos are of real people. Who really did end their life. May their faces live on and never be forgotten. May no one else have to face the pain ...

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Comments 94 comments

eer2eternity 7 years ago

A very good, interesting, and informative hub. There is one unpardonable sin. Some people think this one sin is suicide because the person who died did not ask for or receive forgiveness after committing this sin, therefore, it can not be forgiven. It is my belief that all, not some, of my sins have been forgiven, otherwise, to me, it becomes a crap shoot. If it becomes a crap shoot, that would make the crusifixion of Jesus meaningless. I would hope my eternal status will not depend upon my last act on earth, whether it be suicide or any other sin. I believe I know what this one unpardonable sin is, but, it is not my intention to post a hub inside of a hub. I would not have said as much as I have except I really did enjoy your hub and found it to be extremely worthwhile. Great job.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Thank you for being the first one to respond. It is great that someone bothers to write whether he likes the article or not. All sins will be forgiven if one asks for forgiveness and God grants them except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

God bless.


eer2eternity 7 years ago

It was no bother to respond, it was a privilege. I compliment you sincerely on a very good hub, and, I liked it. :-)


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

eer2eternity

Praise God that you think it was a very good hub. Your compliments are appreciated. God bless.


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James A Watkins 7 years ago from Chicago

Thank you for your thoughtful article. This is a tough question but down through millennia the church has never waivered that suicide is a mortal sin—even refusing burial in the church graveyard, for instance.

I guess I'll try to stick it out.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

James A. Watkins

We should stick to what is biblically correct and you wont go wrong. God bless. I constantly pray to God to lead and guide me to all truth. God bless.


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IslandVoice 7 years ago from Hawaii

My brother was very ill and after 4 yrs of 'shock treatment', he took his own life. It's only recently that i found out that this obsolete form of treatment has been responsible for suicides among patients. We were raised Protestants and for a while we were confused about the teachings. One of the last things my brother did was paint the face of Jesus Christ, with a crown of thorns and a bloodied face. It was the only 'comfort' we found at that time. It was quite symbolic. You have written a subject that continues to raise questions for many.


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quicksand 7 years ago

According to some belief systems, the idea of re-birth exists. According to them, being born in a woeful state is punishment for sins committed in previous lives. They also believe that by taking one's own life one cannot "get away" without making the full payment for one's actions. You will keep coming back they say ... "until the debts are settled."

Makes some sense, does it not?


Charles Crosby 7 years ago

All mankind will be saved, but not in this age. Only the predestined or chosen will be saved in this age. Many are called but few are chosen. Suicide is a sin like all other sins.


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yes2truth 7 years ago from England

Hello Einron

You said:

"Man was given the freedom of choice from the very beginning of his creation in the book of Genesis 2:17. God gave the warning to Adam: "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Man can choose to obey God or die and he chose death."

Man lost freewill when he fell in the Garden. Man, unless he is Born Again from above, can only do the will of the one he serves - the one he listened to in the beginning in the garden - The Adversary.


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Riverbane 7 years ago

As one who has thought of suicide recently, I feel I should say that I really appreciated this hub. After one bad experiance in my past I have to admit that I don't think I could ever have that selfish impulsiveness again to take my own life. But it hasn't changed my thoughts of wanting to take the easy way out. But reading your hub, with your help, I came to the realization that because the thought still crosses my mind every now and again that I'm still commiting a terrible sin. Although I'm told constantly that I should pray to God persistantly, I find that I don't. And honestly? It scares me. But I'm glad to come across your hub. It's given me encouragement and I plan and have now set a goal to do much better than I have. And I'm going to pray to God right now for helping me find your hub. :)

Thank you,

Court


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

IslandVoice

It is symbolic when he painted the picture of Jesus Christ. It showed that when he drew the picture, he did think of Jesus. We really cannot predict who can or not go to heaven. We have to leave the decision to Jesus. You must completely trust the Lord. God bless.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

quicksand

The rebirth of Christians is completely different from that of other faiths. Once you are dead in Christ and born again, you are a different person completely.

One can be spiritually dead or physically dead. To be spiritually dead, one is alive in person , but one continues to do all the wrong or wicked things in life. To be physically dead, the soul leaves the body and does not function any more until Judgment Day when the whole world would be judged.

A Christian can have two deaths, one spiritually and the other physically. A Christian is dead spiritually after he is baptized into Christ and becomes a new person in Jesus Christ doing all kinds of good deeds until he dies physically.

When Jesus returns to judge the whole world, he will arise, judged and go to heaven or hell.

On the other hand, those who believe in transmigration of souls will die and change into another being, e.g. a monkey or any other animal. If as a monkey, he does not do good, when he dies, he changes into something less worthy and so on and on the saying goes. There is no end at all. One just change into something less important and it continues until eternity. There is no closure.

The Christian has hope for eternity in a much better world than the believer of transmigration of souls.

May God open your heart to see and feel the difference of the two beliefs.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Charles Crosby

All mankind would be saved if all believe in God and keep the commandments. Love God and love man (Mt 22:36-40; Mk 12:30-33).

Faith can save us if we have faith.

"Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them" (Mk 11:24).

God bless.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

yes2truth

"Man lost freewill when he fell in the Garden. Man, unless he is Born Again from above, can only do the will of the one he serves - the one he listened to in the beginning in the garden - The Adversary"

I am sorry I did not quite explain myself. Man lost his freewill when he disobeyed God because now he is under the thumb of the Adversary. His will is dictated by the evil one, and not God.

Can you quote any verse which says that God takes away man's free will?"

Life is continuous as long as we live in this world, and every day, we are bombarded with questions whether to do this or to do that.  I do not think that God takes away one's own will to act. 

God bless.


yes2truth 7 years ago

Einron

"All mankind would be saved if all believe in God and keep the commandments. Love God and love man (Mt 22:36-40; Mk 12:30-33)."

Mankind cannot believe in the Godhead unless the Father calls that man/woman to His Son. Mankind does not have it within himself i.e. the Holy Spiritual power or desire in order to believe unless the Father places that power or Spiritual ability/desire in a man or woman in order for them to believe and have faith.

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44 (KJV)

The idea that man makes the decision to believe i.e. that he 'accepts' the Lord Jesus Christ as his saviour or that man is saved on his own terms is a mainstream Christian falsehood - a literal tail wagging the dog scenario.

"Faith can save us if we have faith."

Faith is part of the free gift that is Salvation. We are given faith - His Faith otherwise known as "faith alone".

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Eph 2:8 (KJV)

Both grace and faith are gifts of God and without these gifts we would not be saved.

Our faith, with works, earns us rewards, stored in heaven, not salvation.

Regards

Charles Crosby aka yes2truth


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yes2truth 7 years ago from England

Einron

You said:

"I am sorry I did not quite explain myself. Man lost his freewill when he disobeyed God because now he is under the thumb of the Adversary. His will is dictated by the evil one, and not God."

Correct except that God does not dictate anything - God is Love.

Adam and Eve made the wrong decision, rather than disobeying. They were under grace in the Garden. Obedience is not an issue under grace, but rather choices. Adam and Eve made the wrong choice by preferring to believe the Devil rather than God. A catastrophic mistake on their part which resulted in them receiving hearts of disbelief. They made the decision to no longer believe in God or trust in what He said. Instead they believed the Devil as does mankind to this day. The fact that he does not acknowledge it is by the by.

They ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and that represents the fallen condition. Man can choose to do good or evil within the fallen condition, but he is still fallen - lost and unsaved - a slave or servant to sin.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience (a corruption - attentive listening by choice) unto righteousness? Romans 6:16 (KJV) (Brackets mine)

Slaves or servants are not free, nor do they have freewill, they have to obey the slavemaster (the Devil) and do his will. Only those who are Born Again of God have freewill.

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. John 8:32 (KJV)

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. John 8:36 (KJV)

The Truth is the Lord Jesus Christ and He makes us free so, by default, we must have freewill, if we are Born Again. Before this moment in time we were not free, but rather servants or slaves to sin with the rest of mankind.

I trust this explains what you wanted to know.

Regards

Charles Crosby


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LondonGirl 7 years ago from London

Suicide can be a perfectly rational act, in my view.


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marisuewrites 7 years ago from USA

The Father I know, would not easily send someone to more pain, who is already in pain. A person taking action from that pain, and doing something terrible, being put through even more pain...? Hell? Just what do we think Hell is?

Thank God, HE knows best.  I would never pass judgement on a case like that.  For one who believes God is our Father, what would a Father do?  What would you do, if it were your child?  Punish them forever?  I don't believe it.  I couldn't and it's not reasonable and truth is reason.

What is forgiveness for if not to be forgiven??  My heaven is a happy place, free from guilt for past mistakes.  Now, on the other hand, if you have a person who is not sorry for anything they've ever done...that's a matter that HE will deal with accordingly. 

Not me, I've got my hands full with my own wrongs....=)))


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Envoy 7 years ago from USA

In Matthew 12:31-32, Jesus says to the Pharisees, "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come" (NKJV, emphasis added).

I believe Suicide is a sin like any other & we are eternal beings with a soul, so we do have the chance to ask for forgiveness. Just my opinion but I fully believe Jesus came for all sin not just some of them. I feel they are in Heaven if they asked for repentance & God only knows their heart not man. God bless you for an important hub. Great job :) God bless you.


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cces 7 years ago from New Jersey

I think the quote from John MacArthur is right on.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

yes2truth

I accept what is from the Bible without doubt. Thank you. God bless.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

LondonGirl

Your comments show you to be intellectual, strong and independant in your views. You do not seem to believe in Jesus Christ. That is OK with me. We have our own beliefs.

Thank you for your comments.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

marisuewrites

God knows what trials beset us and He will help us get over the pain if we allow Him to help us to overcome trials and temptations.

John 16:33

Jesus said, "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace.  In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Romans 5:3-4

And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; [4]  And patience, experience; and experience, hope:  [5]  And hope maketh not ashamed, because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1 Corinthians 10:13

There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. 


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Envoy

Truly said. Thank you for your thoughts. They are very welcome.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

cces

You have hit the nail right on the head. Praise and thank God for clear thinking!


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Team Wiseman 7 years ago

Amazing job on your article. Your totally correct in this article you have so blessingly presented to the world. The wages of sin is Death. Suicide is a sin,(Thou shall not kill) and after committing suicide, it then becomes a sin without an opportunity to repent.

Wow! What an awesome article this was. Great Job!

Team Wiseman


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ethel smith 7 years ago from Kingston-Upon-Hull

Interesting but having known a Christian who attempted suicide more than once I have all too many personal feelings on the subject.


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EasyLearn 7 years ago from Washington State

A great conversation starter of a hub. Personally I don't count Samson in the same category as a suicide, he made the most of the situation, more of a martyr.

While I don't believe Christians who commit suicide were truely saved, it is not for me to say if they were saved in the moments before death to say if they go to heaven or hell.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Team Wiseman

Thank you for agreeing with me. It's true that once dead, once cannot repent or change anything further. God bless.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

ethel smith

One's personal feelings has nothing to do with the justice of God. He laid down the law both in the Old and New Testaments and the people are judged by God's standards and not by our emotions which are not that stable. God is righteous and full of mercy.

Let's take an example, say we are good friends of a murderer from his boyhood. Can we say he is not a murderer because of our long acquiantance with him just because he has been our friend of umpteen years? He treated us well as a faithful friend, but he is still a murderer. He is still guilty of sin even under mitigating circumstances. One cannot be judged by emotions, but by every word that comes out of the mouth of God.

God bless.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

EasyLearn

Agree that Samson was a martyr for he did pray to God to have the strength to kill the people of the enemies. If God did not agree with him, Samson's act would be unsuccessful. God listened to Samson's pleading and granted his wish and gave back his great strength that he killed all the enemies of God. God listened to Samson. That showed he was forgiven.

I cannot see how a suicide can go to heaven.  If the suicide prayed to God and said, "Lord, forgive me.  I must kill myself now."  Will God forgive him for killing himself?  The killing is the last thing he did, not the asking for forgiveness which was before the killing.  After his death, the dead man could not think, talk or ask for forgiveness.  He is completely dead.  Dead man tell no stories! 

If the man attempted suicide and was unsuccessful but repented to God, God would forgive him.  This is different from the previous scenario.

God bless.


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ChickenHouses 7 years ago from North Central Florida

I have enjoyed reading your hubs. Keep them coming with the good word of God. We all need prayers with what we are going to be facing in the next few years to come.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

ChickenHouses

Thank you for your comments. The world needs prayers for all the disasters that fall upon us. Am glad of your support. God bless.


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kmullican 7 years ago from Westminster, MD

Very interesting and informative...good info to have on hand for clients with such questions.

-K


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Thanks for your appreciative comments. God bless.


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spiderpam 7 years ago from USA

Wonderful hub. God Bless


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adrienne2 7 years ago from Atlanta

I commend you for writing a hub on a topic such as this. I also appreciate your using scripture to support your hub. Suicide has always been a debatable subject as to whether the person goes to heaven or hell. One thing I do know that is for sure, the bible states Thou shall not kill, so I see it as a sin.

As to my understanding of the unpardonable sin it is not to speak against the Holy Spirit, thank you for sharing this very informative hub.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

adrienne

Thanks for agreeing with me. Scripture should be the only support to what we do or say for it is the truth. The other reasonings on our intellect is not enough for the thoughts of God are higher than our thoughts and His ways better than our ways. God bless.


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

Well, I see you've got the cult of L. Ray Smith's followers here...Oh, I could go on.  Anyhow, I'm pretty much confirming the comment by Enroy, that all sin is forgiven for the believer in Christ as you've stated.  Upon death, that is what matters.  Suicide is a sin of the flesh and can be forgiven and is forgiven for the believer.  One sin is not greater than another.  However, to call the Holy Spirit unclean or of the Devil is the sin that is unforgiveable and is proven by scripture, of course.  There are also those who have tasted of the heavenly GIFT (the Spirit) and have turned away, crucifying to themselves the Son of God again and put Him to open shame.  For them it is impossible to renew them to repentance, the Word says.  The Bible does not state that people that commit suicide automatically lose their salvation.  People who do it that are not saved, of course, face their penalty.  Believers that do this, cut short their rewards in heaven, as they're no longer doing the works of the Lord.  Love this hub!


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Carrie Bradshaw,

YOU WROTE:The Bible does not state that people that commit suicide automatically lose their salvation. People who do it that are not saved, of course, face their penalty. Believers that do this, cut short their rewards in heaven, as they're no longer doing the works of the Lord. Love this hub!

ANSWER:

The Bible does not say that suicide is wrong in so many words. Suicide is killing of self and killing of the body made in the image of God is a sin, though the Scriptures do not specify that suicide is wrong.

YOU WROTE: Upon death, that is what matters. Suicide is a sin of the flesh and can be forgiven and is forgiven for the believer.

ANSWER:

It is forgiven for the believer while he is still alive and asks God to forgive him.

Once suicide is committed, life ceases, the heart stops, the brain does not function. He cannot ask God for forgiveness. He is completely DEAD.

A person's behaviour is judged from the time he is born till the time he dies. Take the example of the thief on the cross. He asked Jesus for forgiveness while he was still alive and was forgiven.

A Christian is a follower of Christ. Judas Iscariot was one of the apostles of Jesus Christ. Was he saved? Judas was a suicide. Was Judas not a Christian for three years? Judas repented, but did he ask for forgiveness from Jesus Christ?

Jesus said, "But he that endureth to the end shall be saved" (Matthew 10:22; 24:13; Mark13:13).

Matthew 27:3-5 Depressed, Judas felt trapped by his own action and hung himself. The biblical suicides sinned against God and His commandments and thus ended their own lives. Can those who sinned against God be saved? How do you classify a Christian who disobeyed God in his last moments of life? Is he still considered a Christian in his last throes?

The Biblical suicides were evil men and did not obey the commandments of the Lord. Towards the end of their lives, they commit suicide because they saw no hope in the future.. To continue living in despair is not an option for them, and they took the easy way out. Little did they know that they will live forever in darkness.


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

einron, I don't believe unsaved people are forgiven of ANY sin.  I do believe that saved people are forgiven of all sin in God's eyes.  It doesn't give us a license to live in the flesh, but rather a desire to walk in the Spirit.  If we are in a car accident and swear right before we get hit and die, we're not going to lose our salvation because we didn't ask God to forgive us for swearing, let alone running the red light.  That's just an example.

Jesus called Judas a devil.  Satan possessed Judas to do what he did.  Judas may have hung himself because he couldn't forgive himself.  We really don't know if God forgave him, because Judas was purposed by God to do what he did.  In fact, in the greatest grief of his sin, Judas did what he did ~ self hatred.

I realize some Chrisitans teach we must repent of each and every sin we commit as Christians (i.e. Catholicism), but I personally believe we are forgiven of all sin and no one can snatch us out of His hand (Satan cannot continue to accuse us day and night before God).  The Spirit of God in us will be grieved when we sin and convict us to repent and walk in His ways. We do know our flesh battles against the Spirit and will until He comes again.

There are only two unforgivable sins as mentioned earlier in my comment.  Praise God ~


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Carrie Bradshaw,

YOU WROTE: If we are in a car accident and swear right before we get hit and die, we're not going to lose our salvation because we didn't ask God to forgive us for swearing,

ANSWER:  I do not know the answer to your question.  God knows.

YOU WROTE:  We really don't know if God forgave him, because Judas was purposed by God to do what he did. 

ANSWER:  God gives us free will to act and He does not purposed anyone to do evil.

YOU WROTE:  In fact, in the greatest grief of his sin, Judas did what he did ~ self hatred.

ANSWER:  The greatest sin was to betray Jesus, his master for 30 pieces of silver.

YOU WROTE:  I realize some Chrisitans teach we must repent of each and every sin we commit as Christians (i.e. Catholicism), but I personally believe we are forgiven of all sin and no one can snatch us out of His hand (Satan cannot continue to accuse us day and night before God).

ANSWER:  If you have 10 black spots on your blouse and remove 9 of them, you still have 1 black spot against you.  If a persons is accused of 10 crimes of stealing but is exonerated from 9 of them, he is convicted of one, he is still a criminal.

YOU WROTE:  There are only two unforgivable sins as mentioned earlier in my comment

ANSWER: You may have two, but the Bible says only one.


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

einron, Jesus cast out devils from many and yet did not cast out the devil that possessed Judas.  Jesus allowed this betrayal in order that God's will be accomplished leading to His death on the cross.  The devil obviously hadn't left Judas when he took his life.  Only God can judge Judas, not us.

Indeed you are correct that if we cleanse nine of ten spots, there is yet one.  If we break even one law, we are guilty of breaking ALL of them!  We are not saved by the law anymore, ever since Jesus became our righteousness in its place.

I will give you the two passages that refer to unforgivable sin: Mark 3:28-30 confirmed in Luke 12:10 (stating that the Holy Spirit is unclean) and Hebrews 6:4-6 (this is the sin of turning away from the truth).


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

And einron, God does purpose the Devil to do His will both to discipline and exercise His wrath, so we know He will utilize the Devil to accomplish His will. He kept His identity a secret on purpose (thus He would shut up the demons that cried out His identity) because He says, "had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory." (1 Cor 2:8)

We can see this in the following examples:

2 Sam 24:1 "Now again the ANGER of the LORD burned against Israel, and it incited David against them to say, 'Go number Israel and Judah'"  compare to 1 Chronicals 21:1 below

1 Chron 21:1 "Then Satan stood up against Israel and moved David to number Israel."

1 Cor 5:5 Satan is used to discipline a believer in the church who was sinning (a son who was having sexual relations with his father's wife) "I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, that his soul may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."  We know God disciplines those He loves (Proverbs 3:11-12).

Revelation 12 regarding the Great Tribulation persecution to save a remnant of rebellious Israel.


SirDent 7 years ago

Exo 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Carrie Bradshaw,

YOU WROTE: einron, Jesus cast out devils from many and yet did not cast out the devil that possessed Judas. Jesus allowed this betrayal in order that God's will be accomplished leading to His death on the cross.

ANSWER: Jesus loved everyone and He hoped that Judas would change in the end before he died, but he did not. The thief on the cross demonstrated this. God allows us free will to act. The sinner can still have a hope when he changes his mind to repent before he dies.

It was a blessing in disguise for us that Judas' betrayal led to Jesus' sacrifice for us.

YOU WROTE:


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

Judas was in God's perfect plan. I don't see the rest of your comment and know that I do love you!


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Carrie Bradshaw,

YOU WROTE: And einron, God does purpose the Devil to do His will both to discipline and exercise His wrath, so we know He will utilize the Devil to accomplish His will.

ANSWER: God does not purpose anyone to do evil.

James 1:13-14 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God, for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: [14] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

YOU WROTE: 1 Chron 21:1 "Then Satan stood up against Israel and moved David to number Israel."

ANSWER: It is Satan who tempted David.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

SirDent,

YOU WROTE: Exo 33:19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

ANSWER; Completely true. Thank the Lord God. God bless.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Carrie Bradshaw,

Thank you for your Christian love, which I reciprocate for one who works tirelessly for the Lord.


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

Eiron, though I see you neglected the exact same account of God's WRATH being Satan and that God indeed is not the one to tempt or entice anyone, but that indeed He uses Satan to discipline and to accomplish His will in the end, I appreciate the love and your tireless ministry as well. Let's continue to pray that we accept the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help us God. AMEN, sister!


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

einron, here's just a critical thought. When Jesus was dying on the cross, He took on the sin of the whole world (past, present and future, as even you have stated). The clouds darkened and He cried out to the Father, "My God, My God, Why hast Thou FORSAKEN Me!" Then He said, "Father, into Thy hands I commit my Spirit." and died. He did not ask God to forgive Him. He died taking the sin of the whole world to the cross. Jesus NEVER SINNED, and so the Bible says. But, He became SIN for US! He was indeed FORSAKEN by GOD, then the Spirit of God raised Him from the dead to be reunited with the Father.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Carrie Bradshaw,

YOU WROTE: Eiron, though I see you neglected the exact same account of God's WRATH being Satan and that God indeed is not the one to tempt or entice anyone, but that indeed He uses Satan to discipline and to accomplish His will in the end,

ANSWER: God's wrath is not being Satan as you put it, but directed towards Satan.

YOU WROTE: Let's continue to pray that we accept the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help us God. AMEN, sister.

ANSWER: I think God is doing a wonderful thing here that we question each other in love for God, and that is the first step in achieving the truth. We are able to answer each other in respectful terms, and not as real opposition does, bite each other's throat going for the jugular.. Love is very important to a Christian. So help us God. AMEN, sister.


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

Yes, amen.  Okay, so let me once again try to clarify, as it seems either our typing is causing some misunderstanding, I don't know....God allows Satan to function for His purpose, which is to bring people to Himself.  Look at the story of Job and how God allowed Satan to test Job.  The Father allowed Satan to test Jesus.  God allows Satan to perform God's wrath.  God Himself performs His wrath in the end (when fire comes down from heaven and kills the kingdoms gathered agains His people by Satan before the Great White Throne Judgment), but here on earth Satan is given that purpose as God wills.  I hope my typing is making this more clear.  I love you in His love ~~


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Carrie Bradshaw,

Continuation.

I was taken out before I could finish. This happened very frequently when I answered your mail. Even the COPY and PASTE part were denied and I prayed to God for help because I want to answer your questions.

YOU WROTE: The clouds darkened and He cried out to the Father, "My God, My God, Why hast Thou FORSAKEN Me!" Then He said, "Father, into Thy hands I commit my Spirit." and died.

ANSWER: Remember, Jesus was fully God and fully Man. His dying on the cross was so great and unbearable that as a man, He cried out in pain, "My God, My God. Why hast Thou FORSAKEN ME!"

He did not accuse God nor did He asked for forgiveness. There was nothing to be forgiven. Christ was just crying out in great unbearable anguish as a human being. As a man, Jesus was sinless. All glory to the Lord!

Praise the Lord God.


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

Our views are understood. I believe Jesus Christ became our sin and this is why the clouds darkened and for a moment, He was indeed forsaken. It's okay ~~ we reason in the Lord. AMEN.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Carrie Bradshaw,

CONTINUATION

I could not continue before finishing comments.

YOU WROTE:  God allows Satan to perform God's wrath.

ANSWER:  Satan is allowed to entice man or cause man to fall, but I doubt God will allow Satan to perform God's wrath.  Satan is not allowed to act on behalf of God.  Again, you have to understand that man falls because of his own free will and his own weakness to sin that he is enticed.  God will not give His authority for Satan to inflict harm on man. 

God allows freedom of will for man to act, and if man falls, it is because he allows Satan or submits to Satan's power.

Likewise, Satan is also allowed free will to act. He can cause any evil, but has no power over life and death as shown in the Book of Job.


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

I think the Great Tribulation is also referred to the period when God's "judgments are on the earth", and we know that the "son of perdition (destruction) will wreak havoc on the earth (mostly toward Israel who have not yet received their Messiah). This will indeed cause one-third of them to repent and God will protect them until the end of this period when He returns and the thousand-year reign begins. Again, this "wrath" leads them to Him.

God does not allow Satan to destroy His children ever (especially in death). We have overcome the enemy because Greater is He that is in Us than he that is in the World AMEN.!!


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Carrie Bradshaw,

YOU WROTE: This will indeed cause one-third of them to repent and God will protect them until the end of this period when He returns and the thousand-year reign begins. Again, this "wrath" leads them to Him.

ANSWER:  God will protect only those who obey Him. 

A thousand years may mean one day to God (2 Peter 3:8).  AMEN.


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

That's true! The thousand year reign happens upon the first resurrection, so indeed we will be living in heaven's time, not earthly. However, the wrath of God during the Great Tribulation is prior to heavenly time, as the events take place on earth...just here to say hello, and of course, seems I never run out of things to say! Sending you a smile :-)


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no body 7 years ago from Rochester, New York

Carrie you are dead on with your doctrine. I can see einorn that you care about truth too. Folks reading this will learn a great deal.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Carrie Bradshaw,

YOU WROTE: That's true! The thousand year reign happens upon the first resurrection, so indeed we will be living in heaven's time, not earthly.

ANSWER: I do not see how you can live in heaven's time when you are living on earth. Keep on smiling.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

No Body,

YOU WROTE:  I can see einorn that you care about truth too. Folks reading this will learn a great deal.

ANSWER;  Everyone should care about the truth.  Thank you for commenting   I hope they will.

Folks reading this will learn a great deal.

I believe it is important for the opposition's side to be heard also. It is not right to delete their opinion. It is up to the readers to decide whether what one said is true. If they agree, well and good. If otherwise, it is up to them to continue with what they think is true. God gives us FREE WILL to act. So, we should let the opposition speak their views.


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

einron, do you believe we will be immortal when resurrected? The New Jerusalem will also come down from heaven and there will be New Heaven and New earth. Earth, in itself cannot mean earthly time forever....whatever the timeframe is, I will be happy we are ruling with our Lord and enjoying the fellowship of the saints. I can't wait to hug my Savior!


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Carrie Bradshaw,

YOU WROTE:  einron, do you believe we will be immortal when resurrected?

ANSWER:  See John 11:25-26. 

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection and the life:  he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:  [26]  And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.  Believest thou this?

What is the meaning of "shall never die?" Live forever.

What is the meaning of "Believeth?" To believe in Jesus is to do every thing He did.

Romans 10:10  "For with the heart believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Why then do people not believe Jesus when He said, "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Jesus obeyed the commandment of Sabbath, but many do not.  Yet they claim to be Christians.

When one disobeyed one of The Ten Commandments, he is only keeping 9 out of the 10 commandments.  If one infringes on one, he is guilty of all.

James 2:10.  "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

I'm not sure how we got from immortal life back to the Sabbath issue, but we are not saved by works since Jesus died, as I've addressed here earlier. It's not my intention to cause an arena of speculation and distraction in anyone's comments. Peace I leave with you ~~~ amen ~


Hell N0 7 years ago

The result of suicide is physical death. Judgment takes place after the resurection.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Carrie Bradshaw,

YOU WROTE: I'm not sure how we got from immortal life back to the Sabbath issue, but we are not saved by works since Jesus died,

ANSWER: Sorry for the diversion because when I commented on your other article, you deleted my answer because I sided with your opposition on the question of Sabbath keeping. I do not believe it is fair of you to do this. However, you are still my friend as we are trying to win friends for the Lord for we believe we are doing the right thing. Peace..


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Hell No,

YOU WROTE: The result of suicide is physical death. Judgment takes place after the resurection.

ANSWER: Both of your comments are completely true. You are perceptive.

Praise the Lord.


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

Thank you for your grace, einron. Believers are the family of God and there will be some theological differences, but the love never dies. Praise God!


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

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ANSWER: Christians are to love our fellow men even if they disagree on matters. We can continue to pray to God to unravel the truth. Man is made in the image of God but Man changes. We must always seek the will of God. May God forgive our shortcomings. Amen.


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

2 Corinthians 3:18 confirms: "But we all with unveiled face beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit."


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Carrie Bradshaw,

You are correct for we human beings are imperfect and the Bible says, No one is perfect in His sight. As Revelations 2 and 3 reveal, all churches are imperfect and unless they change, they will not be saved. Read my first hub on "PROPHECY: ISAIAH 4:1: Seven Women and One Man.

When we first accepted Jesus, believe in Him, baptized in His Name to wash away our sins, (first resurrection from our old self). We are sinless since baptism, but by and by we will be tested in our faith by Satan and may fall into his trap.

This is why the Lord gave us His Holy Spirit to ward off the devil's darts, and we have to be vigilant throughout our lives not to fall into Satan's trap. Life is a constant struggle to be pure and righteous until Jesus comes again in the last days to judge the whole world.

NB Did you notice that when I wanted to comment on your previous comment, I had problem with the computer and it printed a whole lot of repetitions of "your name and you wrote". At first I wanted to erase all this, but on second thoughts, I left it as it is so you can see that I have a problem of communicating with you. Think and pray about this. God bless.


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

It is truly the Spirit moving in the message to the churches. The Lord moved me to write a tough hub regarding this just now. As long as we are ONE in the LORD, the enemy will attempt to attack. Praise God, His Spirit overcomes in us.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Carrie Bradshaw,

The Holy Spirit is indeed moving and has a message for us. We, however, have to decipher what that means.

I shall look into that hub of yours and comment if it moves me. I shall pray about this. Peace.


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HOOWANTSTONO 7 years ago

Very nice this article.

God forgives all sins, but how can he forgive a sin once a suicide is committed.Suicide is the end so suicide also prevents the forgiveness taking place.

Sins of men are done while they are alive,to lead to repentance, which leads to God living in man.

So suicide is committed when rejection of God takes place. This rejection is also a denial of God,Suicide will fall under the category of "Fall away" NOT "FALLING AWAY" in Rev.

Heb:6:4: For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Heb:6:5: And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb:6:6: If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Once you are dead you are dead, and it is impossible to "to renew them again unto repentance".....and "crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh"...."and put him to an open shame.".....For this ONE reason only, can one lose salvation, but any other is forgivable.


GRIM REAPER 7 years ago

I am not sure about forgiveness after suicide, I dont think it can happen.


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Carrie Bradshaw 7 years ago from Manhattan

Just a note of thought here, not that I'm "right" by any means....but indeed all sin leads to death physically, for death is the wages of sin. When we eat incorrectly, or have any habit that affects our health, we are killing ourselves. There must be a mercy seat of God that truly knows the heart of the person overwhelmed that commits such a crime. Some are mentally ill. Only God knows their hearts and is their judge. We don't see an absolute consequence in the Bible for suicide. We can discuss what we think, but I don't think we can come to an absolute conclusion in the Name of Jesus.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

HOOWANTSTONO,

YOU WROTE: God forgives all sins, but how can he forgive a sin once a suicide is committed.Suicide is the end so suicide also prevents the forgiveness taking place. Sins of men are done while they are alive,to lead to repentance, which leads to God living in man.

ANSWER: I agree with you completely.

YOU WROTE: For this ONE reason only, can one lose salvation, but any other is forgivable.

ANSWER: Sin against the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.

Matthew 12:31: Wherefore I say unto;you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

God bless.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

GRIM REAPER,

YOU WROTE: I am not sure about forgiveness after suicide, I dont think it can happen.

ANSWER: You are absolutely correct. God bless.


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Carrie Bradshaw,

YOU WROTE: Some are mentally ill. Only God knows their hearts and is their judge. We don't see an absolute consequence in the Bible for suicide. We can discuss what we think, but I don't think we can come to an absolute conclusion in the Name of Jesus.

ANSWER: Mentally ill defined.

Let us look at 2 Corinthians 3:14-16. Verse 14 says, "But their minds were blinded:. [15] ... the vail is upon their heart .[16] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

What the mind thinks, comes from the heart. The mind is blinded and there is a veil on the heart that is impenetrable.

The mentally ill suicide did not turn to the Lord when he committed suicide.

Verse 17 says: Now, the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Does this answer your question?


malcolm777 7 years ago from new zealand

if the beast and the harlot didn't decieve humanity that theres a literal heaven and hell, the former, is a more prevalent teaching in hollywood tv and movies, and taught to children, etc, We die, we "sleep" to arise on the lords day, is truth. if humanity didn't believe the lie of immorality, they might think twice, come quickly lord jesus we are few and outnumbered


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einron 7 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

malcolm777

We may be few and outnumbered but we have the power of God behind us and can overcome all obstacles. Praise the Lord God.


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

So, it's been 10 months of growing in the Lord since I last posted on this hub, but I’ve kind of had a wake-up call regarding suicide and its consequences. While I used to think Judas would be an exception because he merely performed the will of God, God’s Word states that Judas was a devil (John 6:70) and that Satan later entered him (John 13:27). Judas did “repent himself” (Mat 27:3), but not unto salvation ~ rather, regretted what he did in facing his consequence. Here’s the different words used for “repent” in the Bible:

metamoeo (salvation): http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/3340.htm

metamelomai (Judas): http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/3338.htm

There is repentance unto salvation (godly sorrow) and a repentance of regret and assurance of condemnation (worldly sorrow). The Apostle Paul clarifies this difference in 2 Cor 7:1: “For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death."

Most convincingly, 1 Cor 3:17 states, “If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.” We already know those without faith in God have no hope, but those who claim to have faith need to heed this passage whole-heartedly.

JD aka Carrie Bradshaw


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einron 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Thank you JD aka Carrie Bradshaw

Praise God for opening your eyes to the truth. Seek and you shall find. You have not forgotten what you said 10 months ago and continue to follow and God rewarded you for your persistence. Praise the Lord!


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Judah's Daughter 6 years ago from Roseville, CA

Praise God for the revelation in His Word...and that He keeps us growing when we love Him and seek the truth about these things. I just had to correct what I had written previously, because once He showed me the error of my thinking, I must be obedient to take accountability for such things. Love you, sis.


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einron 6 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Hallelujah! Praise and thank God for His revelation to you. Do you know why God chose animals who chew the cud? Animals have to chew and chew the food before digesting it. We human beings have to search and search, pray and pray till God reveals the truth to us who do not accept the truth as first. Isn't God faithful to those who constantly seek Him. The more you resist the truth, the longer it would be revealed to you. All's well that ends well. Praise the Lord God. God bless!


mansionmaker 5 years ago

suicide is murder - not self murder but DUE and CAUSED by society or doctors or spells from those practicing witchcraft etc. just because one succumbs to the work being done on/to them and they break and cannot handle the pressure anymore - in Judas case we see it clearly - he did to christ what satan had him do and then he did to hinself what satan ahd him do. Had he survived the satanic pressure on him and not commited suicide we might have seen another great example of the love of God portrayed in his story.

I put the accountability for suicide somewhere else then on the person who has killed them selves.


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einron 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

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You Wrote:

Suicide is murder - not self murder but DUE and CAUSED by society or doctors or spells from those practicing witchcraft etc. just because one succumbs to the work being done on/to them and they break and cannot handle the pressure anymoreansionmaker.

I disagree. Everyone can make his or her own choice which is given by God. The person can turn to rely on God if he wants to. The decision is his alone.

Dont blame Satan for the decision made by the suicide.


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Harlan Colt 5 years ago from the Rocky Mountains

Great Hub with great answers. It confirms my what I believed.

I vote up!

- Harlan


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einron 5 years ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

Harlan Colt

Thanks for your vote up. Appreciate it. It took me a long time to read the hub and comments again. God bless.


dan 18 months ago

what about were it states htat are works would be tested buy fire. but if burned he would still be saved but as thought the fire. if are works are burn they were self serving and not of GOD. And is it not true thaat in the scriptures that Jesus said we would fall. I do not think that there is a Person who sayes that he is a Christian does not have a time of lost hope at one point or another.


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einron 18 months ago from Toronto, Ontario, CANADA Author

I am sorry I really do not understand what you are trying to say. If we are tested by God and if we fail, we are not obeying God.

When a Christian has lost hope, he can pray to God to guide him and repent of his wrong. God would forgive any wrong doing and the person

can start afresh.

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