When Do We Go to Heaven After We Die?

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All of us have wondered what will happen to us after we die. If you look at the Bible, some verses sound like we will go to heaven immediately after death and others sound like we will rest in our graves and not be resurrected until the Rapture.

I finished reading the book "90 Minutes in Heaven" recently where a Christian man died for 90 minutes after a terrible car crash. Neither a pulse or any respiration could be found by anyone. But after a minister prayed for him he opened his eyes and spoke a few words.

This man claims to have immediately found himself in heaven where he was met by his grandfather who had passed away, a friend who died at a young age, and others he knew. He said that angels were singing and you could see a bright light where God was, but he never got to see God himself. He believed that he had this experience so that he could help others.

The book was encouraging to me and then I heard news I didn't really want to know. My daughter is going to medical school and she mentioned that the brain is often still functioning after the body has already died. It continues for up to 2 hours.

Others that have died and came back say you go through a tunnel after you die. Medically speaking that is the sensation you get when you don't get enough oxygen. So is it true?

A co-worker almost died of pneumonia and she said she was above the room looking down at her body. She hadn't really died, but many say this is what happens at death.


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Now what really does happen to us? This is a big question I have. I have accepted Jesus as my Savior and I have no doubt that I will go to heaven after I die. Will it be immediately after I die or does our spirit and soul rest in the grave with our bodies or do they go to heaven right away and our bodies are resurrected later?

What do you believe? I still believe we immediately go to heaven, but I could be wrong. Many Bible verses point to us going immediately. Many others make you think the resurrection is when our bodies go up at the Rapture. Do our spirits go to heaven first and then our bodies resurrect at the Rapture?

Of interest is that the same question is asked on the Billy Graham site. He believes that when a Christian dies he immediately goes to heaven. At a later time we will be given bodies like Jesus'. “I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far” (Philippians 1:23).


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Marliza Gunter 6 years ago from South Africa

I also believe we go to heaven immediately...since I've been there and also have seen two people arriving at heaven just moments after death...I asked God that same question, but to this day have no final conviction of which is right...


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Barbara Kay 6 years ago from USA Author

Marliza, You need to tell us your story or if you have written a Hub about this let me know and I'll link to it.


Lisa Rahlf 6 years ago

I actually have found nothing in the Bible which states we go to heaven once we die. Everything that I have read and studied shows that we die and go to the grave to await the resurrection at the second coming of Christ. Growing up I was taught when we die we go to heaven, but now after studying the Bible and the subject of Heaven, I do not believe it.


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Barbara Kay 6 years ago from USA Author

I am mixed on this since I think it also says we wait for the resurrection, but everyone teaches just the opposite. Thanks for leaving your comment.


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John Cain 6 years ago from Dayton, Texas

Barbara: A very nice hub. I do think that the righteous go to heaven as soon as they die. I base that on the site of the crucifixion. One of the other two men that were crucified with Jesus ask Jesus to " remember me " and Jesus said, " Surely this day, you will be with me in paradise.


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Barbara Kay 6 years ago from USA Author

Good comment. That makes sense and I'd much rather think I went to heaven immediately because it would be a comfort to me. Thanks for the help.


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Ann Lee 6 years ago

Our body is separated from our spirit at death (Luke 23:46; Mt 27:50) and returns to dust. Our spirit goes immediately to heaven or hell, depending on how we have lived our life. If we have lived for Jesus, we will enter heaven; if we have lived for the flesh, we will enter hell.


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Barbara Kay 6 years ago from USA Author

Thanks for your great comment. I'll look up these verses.


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Abrushing1968 6 years ago from USA- Florida

So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. 2nd Corinthians 5:6-8

Praise God \o/

ABR


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Barbara Kay 6 years ago from USA Author

Thanks for commenting.


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Ms Dee 6 years ago from Texas, USA

I too see these Scripture verses to mean "immediate". Have you read Randy Alcorn's book "Heaven". In his study he sees the Scriptures referring also to different "levels" in Heaven.


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Barbara Kay 6 years ago from USA Author

Ms Dee, I'd like to read this book about the different levels of heaven. Thanks for the info.


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aguasilver 6 years ago from Malaga, Spain

The majority of biblical evidence indicates that 'soul sleep' is our resting place until the resurrection, which is not all that bad, as frankly I remember nothing once I sleep until I awaken again, every day.


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HOOWANTSTONO 6 years ago

The dynamics of dying can be described in three ways, there is too much positive info to put on this comment.

But if you want to know the dynamics as my Bro above says "aguasilver" then I could give you an in depth biblical description of what exactly happens when we die also where we go.

Here are my hubs

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Death-What

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Heaven-is-

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/For-the-HE

Hope you find some answers

Peace


Harold 6 years ago

I beleive that we rest in a place called Sheol. The Scripture declares that when Christ comes again first the "dead" In Christ will rise first. (1 Thess 4:16) If we go to heaven immediately this means Heaven would have to be vacated to cause the dead to rise again. The most important thing with all of the uncertainties is to be assured that we are leaving according to the prerequisite for entering in.


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Barbara Kay 6 years ago from USA Author

Harold, I've heard of Sheol. I've always wondered about that.


William Johnson 5 years ago

In the bible it states,"To be absent from the body is to be present with the lord". So if you are saved in Christ's holy name then you will be present with the lord when your soul has left this fleshy vessel.


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Barbara Kay 5 years ago from USA Author

William, Good point.


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Lady Guinevere 5 years ago from West Virginia

We are in Heaven and we are in Hell right now as we are reading this. Everything is Within us, so said Jesus. I went to, what you think is Heaven but I didn't die. I know that sounds strange but it did happen. We really never die, we just change from one substance to another lke water does when it is a gas and then freezes to a sold and then back to liquid.


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CMerritt 5 years ago from Pendleton, Indiana

Barbara, we all have nothing more than opinions to offer....I personally cling to what Jesus said as He was hanging on the crosss........."Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43).

It works for me... :)


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Barbara Kay 5 years ago from USA Author

CMerritt, Thanks for commenting on the hub and yes you are right. I've always been bothered by the verses that sound like we won't be resurrected from the grave until Jesus returns.

You are right though that none of us will really know until we die. I prefer going straight to heaven at death and I hope we can rely on the verse Luke 23:43 instead of the others.


chris 5 years ago

You do not go straight to heaven as you will have to wait until Jesus returns. You el go only if you have really given your life to Jesus

and do as He did not as the world does. Also there are things that happen ( from the bible) before we who are born again go to be with Him.


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Barbara Kay 5 years ago from USA Author

chris, Thanks for your comment.


Balance 5 years ago

i have heard so many good points while reading this. though the rapture is clear that god will come back and revive the living/dead. ive heard of people seeing dead relatives on earth! it doesn't make sense seeing as the rapture has to take the dead/living to heaven.


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Barbara Kay 5 years ago from USA Author

Balance, I think God left a lot of mysteries for us on purpose. I started studying to write a hub on what heaven is like and ran into more verses that just bring up more questions. Maybe that will be part of the joy when we go to heaven, finding out the truth.


Kimberly 5 years ago

when we die our spirit goes straight to heaven and we get judged on judgement day when the lord comes back to get the people on the earth. That's when everyone gets judged.


Gary Underwood 5 years ago

I believe that when believers die, their spirit goes to heaven to be with the Lord, and also, that when the Lord comes again, he will judge all according to what they have done. At this time, the spirit will be returned to a new body to live with Christ for eternity.


Scotty Fay 5 years ago

As Christians, we must be Christ like and live as Christ lived. And that means to live by every word. If we are to be true to our selves, the Bible nowhere teaches us that we are going to heaven when we die. Christ taught that no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven John 3:13 We are taught the resurrection by Christ and his disciples over and over in the Bible, but people will not except Christ at his own word. As for the theif on the cross, Christ said he would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights after his crucifixion right? If that's so, and we know it is, how could the theif have been with Christ in Paradise that very day? Luke 23:43 Jesus said the theif would be with him in paradise. If we can prove where Jesus went when he died, the you can know if the thief really went to paradise that day. John gives us proof of where Jesus was. "Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre,wherein was never man yet laid. There"-in the tomb, the grave-'laid they Jesus"(John19:41-42) It was Jesus who was laid in the tomb, not just the body of Jesus. Jesus was dead! To make it plainer, read Acts 2:31 Peter speaks of the prophet David, saying "He[David] seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption." This proves Jesus was not in Paradise, but in hell, or the grave. The greek word used by Peter is hades, meaning "the grave" Since Jesus was not in Paradise that day, the day of the crucifixion, then neither was the thief. Christ has preeeminence in all things Colossians 1:18 and the thief couldn't have preceded Christ to paradise. Whenever the thief enters paradise, Christ will be there too! He said so: "With me shalt thou be in paradise" Remember, the thief asked earlier, "Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy Kingdom"(Luke 23:42) the fact is that Jesus has not yet come into his Kingdom (Luke 11:2, 19:11; Icorinth 11:26) Also, proper punctuation helps explain Luke 23:43. Most translations are improperly punctuated to make it appear that Jesus would be in paradise that day. However, as we saw above, the Bible proves Jesus was not in Paradise that day. A comma placed before the word "today" is incorrect. The comma should follow it; "Verily I say unto thee today, shat thou be with me in Paradise." By using the word "today," Jesus was stressing the time of his promise, not the time he would be in Paradise. Punctuation was not used in the inspired Greek that Luke wrote. It was added centuries later by men. The thief is still dead and buried. Jesus alone is the firstborn from the dead (Romans 8:29; Acts 26:23) But the time is coming when the thief will be resurrected and eventually enter the Paradise of God promised to come to this earth.


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Barbara Kay 5 years ago from USA Author

Scotty I think it might be helpful to look at the Greek and see what "today" means too. You've made some good points here. Thanks for commenting.


Tenesia Gathimbi 5 years ago

I agree with everyone that stated we will wait until Jesus comes back to go to heaven or hell. If you want to know the real truth ask God and He will point you in the right direction. The devil has twisted so much stuff to peoples liking because you feel comfortable going to heaven right after you die the devil is finding people to find you to say that is true. Read your Bible, talk to God and listen to His answer. Anything you need to know is in the Bible. Jesus never changed anything but died to save us. In Revelations does it not say that when Jesus comes back He will bring everyone to Him even from the graves. If you have faith and trust God and Jesus you would trust His word which is the Bible. No human can tell you the way. Just felt I had to say something because God is working on me right now and I have just recently gave my life to God and am learning to listen to that small still voice.


bill s. 5 years ago

When we die, do we not become outside of time? If so, would it not be reasonable to think that years would be only moments, and they would pass quickly?


Caleb S 4 years ago

It is known, when people die that people, who gave there life to Jesus will go to heaven...Non believers go to as we know "hell."


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Barbara Kay 4 years ago from USA Author

Caleb, I agree.


Bill Brewer 4 years ago

I believe we will go to our grave, Rest in Eternal sleep until we are waken up by Jesus to be judged & then either go to Heaven or go to Hell.. Cause you will even hear catholic priest say at funerals that our brother or sister has gone to there rest in hope of rising again.. They don't say anything about going straight to Heaven or to Hell right away but go to there rest.. Also we always say Rest In Peace.. While we wait for Jesus to return to Judge the Living & Raise up the Dead & those who believe in Jesus will be forgiven & all others will go to Hell. As much as I look forward to hopefully going to Heaven, I look forward to falling going to my eternal rest to sleep & while I wait for Jesus return. Until then I plan on living life & making the most outta life as well as keep praying to Jesus everynight like I always have & asking him to watch over me & my close friends & relatives & everyone else who believes in Him like I do..

I love life & making the most out of it. Because of God & Jesus & in general I do not fear Death.. There is nothing to fear about death.. Now there's some form of Deaths I hope not to Die of like burning alive. Much prefer alittle more peaceful death but Death itself I do not fear & look forward too someday because its a part of life & look forward to going to my rest while I wait for the return of Jesus when we will wake up the Dead to be Judged & hopefully then I will be able to join him & my friends & relatives & we will all get to experience Heaven together.. So I will have to agree with those above me that said we will sleep in our grave until Jesus returns.. However if we do get to go strait to Heaven or Hell that will work too.. I'm really believing in that I will be Heaven bound but that's not really totally up to me its up to God its his Home. He calls the shots up there but all the sins I ever committed I really believe will be forgiven..


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Barbara Kay 4 years ago from USA Author

Bill, Thanks for your comments. I appreciate you leaving such a well thought out view. The only thing I have to say is if you have asked for forgiveness of your sins, they have already been forgiven. You don't have to wait.


sandra hibberts 4 years ago

Well this is a true believing and no matter what the cercomstances want to come we are not going to listen to what the devil to say so whever read this they are suppose to give their life to the lord befor it is too late the rapture is near we have to stick close to God. There will be a time in our life when we will need the Lord and sometime we do things that the Lord will not accept. So we have to ask for forgiveness of our sins.


Natalie D 4 years ago

Just have to say that I if there is no-one in the grave what is the need of a resurrection? The other people will be alive on the day of His coming, so who's being resurrected if not the people who have died? If people have already gone to heaven or 'hell' what is the need of a judgement day, and why does Jesus have His reward with Him if His reward has already been given out. Scripture says there is a first and second resurrection, the first is to life. Jesus said "Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth - those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation" John 5:28-29 Those saved people will reign with Christ a thousand years and among other things including celebration and living in God's golden city in the mansions He's prepared for us, we will be shown from the record books why those people who weren't saved were not saved. After that God comes back, the second resurrection happens, "And fire came down from heaven and devoured them" Rev 20:9 A loving God would not create us to live only up to about a hundred years, only to then burn us for all eternity! Our punishment is death "the wages of sin is death". The punishment is that the people who have made themselves one with their sin and loved it until death will be destroyed along with it. The people in heaven would not be at peace knowing their loved one was writhing in agony forever, what kind of God or heaven would that be? We are all sinful, the difference will be in who is repentant to God for this, accepting that Jesus died in their place, keeping His commandments not to be saved but because they are saved, and accept the need for certain order and standards according to God's will, or those are defiant, siding with Satan saying "I'm sinful and I can do what I like and I don't care who doesn't like it, not even if it's You, God, we don't need your 10 rules" who will be devoured in the fire along with Satan and his angels, when God puts an END to sin and evil. He's already won the battle, he's just waiting for every ear to hear, so that as many could be saved will be, we've just got to BE ready, "Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour that you do not expect" Mat 24:44 "Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandements of God and the faith of Jesus" Rev 14:12


Alex 4 years ago

It is very clear in scriptures: 2 corinthians 5:6,8....."So, we are always confident and know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. and we are confident and satisfied to be out of the body and at home with the Lord."........As you can see once a christian dies he will be in the presence of Jesus.


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sarmack 4 years ago from Washington

Having experienced death myself, I can vouch for the Deliverance of our Soul to "Heaven" in an instant. There was no floating around over my body or wandering the earth to see what people were doing. I popped out of the top of my head, just the opposite of a baby popping into this world(for you mothers out there!) I arrived at an Illuminescent Doorway surrounded by a massive number of other people. I Believe that Yeshua's Judgement of the mankind christian church has already occurred a couple of years ago. You can read the Scriptures all day long, but if you don't have a personal relationship with Yeshua, you don't know anything but the words on the page.

Yeshua cites Paradise as the stopping point after death. He also says He is going to Prepare a place for us, which is the New Jerusalem spoken of in Revelation. It would appear that the True Christian arrives immediately at Paradise after death to await the 2nd Coming of Christ.

It is also my Belief that the Raising of the Dead in Christ, the first portion of the so-called Rapture, has already occurred... over a decade ago. As stated in the Scriptures, we all "met in the clouds" to be ushered into Paradise.

Spiritual experiences are very vivid and Real.


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Barbara Kay 4 years ago from USA Author

sarmack, Thanks for you input.


Josie 4 years ago

I believe that our life source goes back to God upon our death. Our soul remains asleep until we are resurrected for judgement. I believe that heaven is a paradise on earth. God had created the earth for his creation to enjoy and believe that he would want us to inhabit the earth the way it was meant to be, in a beautiful paradise. I also do not believe that we become angels after death because they are a different species and God had created angels before he created humans.


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Barbara Kay 4 years ago from USA Author

Josie, I agree that we will not become angels after we die. God did create them as separate beings. The Bible says though after his 1000 year reign on earth, he would create a new heaven and new earth. Thanks for commenting.


Marie2468 4 years ago

I was trying to understand the "rapture" and the "second coming of Christ" - when he reigns on earth for a thousand years. I am starting to think that maybe the rapture is when we die and go to heaven otherwise if the "rapture" occurred before the 2nd coming of Christ at once, there would be nobody left on earth when Jesus reigns for a thousand years. Confusing to say the least.


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Barbara Kay 4 years ago from USA Author

The rapture occurs either before the Tribulation period. All Christians alive at that time will be rise up into heaven. Some believe that the rapture occurs after the tribulation, but my belief and most people's is right before.


pj 4 years ago

Jesus said to the thief on the cross who believed that He was the Son of God, "TODAY, you will be with me in Paradise."


Anon 4 years ago

Jesus did say to the thief 'I tell you the truth, today. You shall be with me in paradise' BUT that could mean than he had given him special dispensation for reasons only known to him OR that there should be a full stop or comma after today.

The bible says the the dead know nothing and mentions that we will all be ressurrected at Jesuses second coming.

So it gives no clear meaning on the dead no nothing, perhaps it means that the dead are dead and loose conciousness - so people don't go around expecting them to wake up. :) There is nothing mentioned about anything in between heaven and death so it seems to leave it either open to wondering if there is anything in between or that there is nothing until Jesus returns. I guess God can not or is wise enough to not tell us everything all at once for some reason.


Anon 4 years ago

I must admit I feel quite despondent about the idea of being dead and knowing nothing at all..it seems a cold bland end, maybe God and Jesus and their angels are so busy preparing and working against the evil that that is the best way..?


sharkat 4 years ago

the bible is clear to what happens when people die.a good example is when we sleep.you can only know you were sleeping after waking up.in Ecclesiastes the bible says this 'For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten'

so the rest in the grave with no memory of any thing.


cav 4 years ago

Read the book "Heaven is for Real" It answers so many unanswered questions. God is real, Heaven is real and I believe we go to heaven immediately. John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for us.


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Barbara Kay 4 years ago from USA Author

cav, Thanks for commenting. The book sounds interesting.


kathy 4 years ago

2 corinthians 5:6-8

To be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord.

I think absent from the body (when we die) our spirit goes to heaven (present with the Lord).


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Barbara Kay 4 years ago from USA Author

Kathy, That is a good one. Thanks.


John 4 years ago

I am very concerned about Death, there is no scientific proof of a spirit being inside our body, and it's supposed to be the spirit that goes up into heaven or hell.. Please help me believe.


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Barbara Kay 4 years ago from USA Author

John, There is a scientist that talked about this in the forums. When I find the link, I will post it here. He went through and scientifically proved it.


John 4 years ago

I would be very grateful for the link, it would answers so many questions. I want to believe in an afterlife but it is so hard for me.


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Barbara Kay 4 years ago from USA Author

John, The first thing you need to do is read the gospels in the New Testament and accept that Jesus is your Saviour. I have been looking for the link for you. It was a couple of months ago and I haven't found it yet, but I will keep searching.


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Barbara Kay 4 years ago from USA Author

I found the forum, but it is about life after death, not heaven. His scientific evidence is that the body is made up of energy. When we die the energy is released from our body and the energy can't just disappear, so it is in a different form. The scientific law is that energy can't just disappear, but it can transform from one form to another.

I am a Christian and I believe what Jesus says in the Bible. He says he is making many mansions for us in heaven. Paul says to be out of the body is to be with the Lord, so I believe in heaven.

Here is the link to the forum thread, but I'm afraid you'll have to find your own faith.

http://hubpages.com/question/139011/is-there-life-...

I noticed that there were several discussions about this in the forums. You can go to the forums and search life after death and find others.


John 4 years ago

Barbara i would like to thank you a lot for taking time to help me out, you're a good person and i hope that i can my find my way soon and let Jesus into my life.


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Barbara Kay 4 years ago from USA Author

Thank you John.


Carl 4 years ago

Hi Barbara Kay! I've been reading all your comments. Is Luke 16: 19 - 31, Lazarus and the rich man, an indication that Christians go straight to heaven when they die? Wasn't this parable from Jesus Himself? Please give me your feedback. Thanks and GOD bless!!


Mary 4 years ago

i also have wondered about whether we go to heaven right away or if we go into a "spiritual sleep" until judgement day. i dont know for sure and i wont until i die, but something always takes me back to believing that we dont go until judgement day. when it says in the bible " he will come to judge the living AND the dead", that's where i get confused. is god waiting until judgement day to take ANYONE to heaven? or have all deceased people already went to either heaven or hell, but god will give them a second chance on judgement day if they went to hell?i just want to know for which reason is he judging the dead also?


NJ 4 years ago

Thank you for this topic. It's been weighing heavily on my mind for quite sometime and grows stronger everyday.

There are so many viewpoints and conflictions we can gather from the bible.

Today, after considering all of the comments here, I am thinking the ones to be saved will go immediately with our Father and the ones who don't are the ones asleep and know of nothing. Maybe they will be ressurected at the second coming and given a chance to repent?? Maybe? That's my thought for today,lol.

All I know is I feel the spirit of the one I love very strongly.I feel his love. I always thank God for this in prayer.


Eddie Adams 4 years ago

The Apostle Paul did not go to his reward in heaven when he died, he said he would not receive his crown of righteousness until Jesus returns at His second comening. Read the following verse, 2 Timothy 4:1-8. The saint won't be in heaven with the Lord until He returns. 1 Thessalonians 4:15


Carol 4 years ago

The two statements that we go to heaven right when we die and we don't go until the rapture when he raises the dead sound contradictory but I think they are not here is why, when we die we have no sense of time so for that individual who has passed on they do go immediately to heaven. The earth may live another 2,000 yrs but to the dead, no time, so instantaneous


patrick 4 years ago

READ YOUR BIBLE AND PROVE ALL THINGS! The bible is quite clear that you are in your graves at death and until Christs come and raises you up that's where you stay! People just dont ernestly look at scripture and study. If you did you would see the bibles today are not exact translations and you have to look into what origanal scripture says! Like the one who quoted the thief on the cross. Jesus said I tell you today, (see comma) you will be in paradise!He was telling him that day that he would eventually be in paradise! The bible is full of in formation but you have to look and study! The truth is why would at Christs return would he have to raise the dead and change the living if the dead were there!!!! And no! Its not to raise your physical bobdies because we will no longer need them for we will at that time be imordal!!!!!!


John 4 years ago

I realize that this discussion has been going on for 2 years but I wanted to mention couple things that might help those who believes in going to heaven immediately after the death. Yes, I believe that too.

First, Ecclesiates 3 says that there is difference between the death of animal and death of human. We have spirit and animals don't.

Second, the story of the Rich man and a poor beggar Lazarus.

If our spirit don't go anywhere after the death, how can the rich man asks in hell for water? also, why does he say can he go back to the earth to tell his family about the heavy tormentation of hell?


jcc4me 4 years ago

Oaky, here is my theory on Heaven. Remember when Jesus was hanging on the cross and he said to the thief, “This day you shall be with me in paradise?” Was Jesus really referring to Heaven? I do believe what he describe as paradise is simply that because the bible clearly says that in John 3:13 that “No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man,” but then the bible mentions that Elijah was taken up by a whirlwind "into heaven" (2 Kings 2:1) by "a chariot of fire, and horses of fire" (verse 11). Yet, over nine hundred years after this event, Jesus Himself said "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven" (John 3:13).

I don’t think it’s a bible contradiction because the bible clearly describes three Heavens in 2 Corinthians 12:2- not just one heaven. The first heaven is earth's atmosphere where birds fly (Genesis 1:20, Jeremiah 4:25; 34:20, Lamentations 4:19, Zephaniah 1:3). The second heaven is outer space where the planets and stars exist (Genesis 1:14-17; 15:5; 22:17; 26:4, Deuteronomy 1:10; 17:3; Psalm 8:3, Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29). The third heaven is literally called "the third heaven" in 2 Corinthians 12:2. This third heaven is what Christ calls his "Father's house" (John 14:2), and both Christ and the Apostle Paul calls it "paradise" (Luke 23:43, 2 Corinthians 12:2-4, Revelation 2:7). This is where God and the heavenly sanctuary exist (1 Peter 3:22). This third heaven is also known as the "heaven of heavens" (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27, 2 Chronicles 2:6; 6:18, Nehemiah 9:6, Psalms 148:4).

A better example is: earth, the sky, galaxy, outer galaxy and the heavens. In order for us to go where Jesus is, we have to be in spirit form or else we would die because His glory is just too powerful for human form to glare at.

Death is the vehicle to eternity; when we die our body goes to the dust; our spirit goes back to God and our soul goes to either paradise or hell. When you leave this earth and death takes you where you are going you are fully aware; you do not sleep like snoring; REM sleep, etc. It’s a different kind of sleep. It’s either Heaven (Paradise) or Hell and there is no in between! When Jesus comes back to rapture the church there will be a New Jerusalem (Holy City or City of God which could be described as “Heaven” The New Jerusalem. The bible says in Rev. 20:10 “And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are…” The Lake of fire is not hell! It is totally different than hell and much, much hotter!


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Barbara Kay 4 years ago from USA Author

jcc4me, Thanks for giving your view on this subject. I'll have to look up the verses and see what I think. Thanks for commenting.


caraweyan 4 years ago

sorry I ried to correct some errors on my last post so here it is again!!!Great thread. i just wanted to add. Jesus always spoke in terms of symbolism so when he said to the thief 'today you will be with me in paradise...he meant it..but he was not talking of earth days. he was talking of heaven days..something we find hard to understand. just to follow on on that point, when the apostles went out and testified Jesus's word, the jews were angry and confused that people had died not having seen the second coming of Jesus as promised..Jesus said that this generation would not pass away before everything he said had come to pass. He was speaking symbolically of humanity. Days and months on earth are not the same equivalent in Heaven, nor was the earth literally made in 7 days, seven heaven days..YES -which could be Billions of years. 7 is purely symbolic of completion


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Barbara Kay 4 years ago from USA Author

carweyan, Thanks for adding your thoughts.


Peeb 4 years ago

Caraweyan, to address your "earth days" and "heaven days”. Look no farther than Genesis 1:5' "God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was EVENING, and there was MORNING—the first day." I capitalized the words 'evening' and 'morning' because these are the important words and this is where the defining of the biblical 'day' is found. By using 'evening' and 'morning' this gives us a time frame of one 24 hour period. 'Evening' doesn't last 4 billion years, and 'morning' doesn't last 4 billion years. They last a few hours and are the beginning and the end of, once again, a 24 hour period.


jean pack 4 years ago

We do not go to heaven when we die. We are in the grave asleep. (But Dead). When jesus comes in the second ressurection ..He says " The dead in christ shall rise first. So why do you think you would go to heaven when He plainly states the DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST? He would not assend you to heaven and then put you back here on earth and take you back there again. When you die you will remain in the grave /. When you you are ressurected after death and your eyes come open you will be facing Jesus Christ,.that is what the bible teaches...We all will be judged... So if you think you go to heaven when you die what makes you think you're not going to be judged? He also would not assend you to Heaven then bring you back down to be judged.


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busillis22 3 years ago

I recommend the book Surprised by Hope by N.T. Wright who argues that we experience an 'intermediate state' immediately after we die, where we are in a place of rest in the presence of Christ until the resurrection. But, says, that we cannot ignore that the Bible's ultimate point about the afterlife is that we will be resurrected in our physical bodies for God's new heaven and new earth. That is the end goal of our salvation, not life in an immaterial 'heaven' but the resurrection of our bodies and the recreation of the world. I tend to agree with him, though I'm not sure there is an intermediate state and tend to imagine the meantime being like asleep as some above me have mentioned.


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Barbara Kay 3 years ago from USA Author

busillis22, Thanks for your comments. I think we are all going to have to wait to find out.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

I am not going anywhere. Scripture says in more than 2 places that "as it was in the day of Noah so shall it be in the day of the son of man". The UN righteous were removed from the earth. The righteous Noah and his family were preserved and cared for ON the earth by God. In Goshen for the passover the hebrews were protected from loss of their firstborns but ALL other first born were killed-removed from the earth.

If I die before the end, I will be cremated and my ashes spread on the earth, back to the dust. My soul will go to hell (sheol)(the grave) the place of the departed dead, to await the judgement. On the day of judgement i will rise from the earth to stand before the judgement seat at which time i will either be admitted to the Kingdom of God or denied entry. I will still be on the earth. Then when all have been judged, those denied entry to the kingdom will be cast into the lake of fire along with hell, satan and his angels (demons). I am still on the earth. At some point I will be INSTANTLY changed to my eternal body. And the heaven and earth will be INSTANTLY changed to the new heaven and earth. And we that remain shall spend eternity here with Him.

If everyone went up like the rapturists teach then everyone would be going off in different directions.

I choose to believe the scriptures that the righteous will inherit the earth.


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Barbara Kay 3 years ago from USA Author

celafoe, Thank you for commenting. Only the saved will go up in the Rapture. The unbelievers will stay here. I do agree with you though that the saved will be here for the New Earth. Now you've raised an interesting question. I think maybe those that believe in a pre-Tribulation rapture are right. That way the Christians would be saved from going through the Tribulation.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

there is no rapture it a false story. only accepted by theapostate church less than 300 years .

if the rapture story were true then the bible lies. I dont believe it does.

God never took His people out He always takes them through with his protection. Noah, Goshen, meshak, shadrack, and abednego, Daniel

HE always removes the evil, lots wife, all but noah, sodom and gamorrah and saphira and her husband etc

Luke 17:26-27

And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.

NKJV

Matt 24:37-39

37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

NKJV

The UN righteous were removed not the righteous as will be done again


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Barbara Kay 3 years ago from USA Author

celafoe, Thanks for your opinion.


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

dear it is not opinion, i gave you scripture in context if you are going to dismiss it give me scripture please


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Barbara Kay 3 years ago from USA Author

celafoe, I'll give you the scripture you ask for. . I Thess 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

V17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."


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celafoe 3 years ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

Yes and your scripture confirms what I said.

I Thess 4:16-17 I Thess 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. V17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Clouds are only found in the lowest atmosphere, from the surface of the earth to a few thousand feet. Which means we will be on the surface of the earth . We will rise up from beneath the earth in the grave (sheol or hell) to meet the Lord in the air, the lower atmosphere. Above 15000 feet there is not enough air to support a human. And those who were still alive (at least them) are alive and need air still. Noone has yet received a new body.

The exact timing and order of happenings is not important, just what happens is.

Then the unGodly will be removed after they are judged. And we inherit the earth. And then the earth and the believers will be changed instantly into the new earth and the new heavens and the glorified bodies.

Since you do not like my use of scripture PLEASE explain AWAY these sciptures

Luke 17:26-27 and Matt 24:37-39 that rapturists always misquote , leaving out the verses that say

"But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away,

esp. the part about how the flood took them all away/


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Barbara Kay 3 years ago from USA Author

celafoe, I think this is a matter of opinion on how you interpret the scriptures. Look at Revelation and you'll see many descriptions that you can only guess what they mean. I prefer not to argue about this, but do find what you believe interesting and will look farther into it myself.


bill1970 3 years ago

I used to believe that when we die we go straight to heaven and I feel I have to change my view point because of the following verses

John 14

1 ¶ Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 17

24 ¶ Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

1 Thess 4

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

So...in the above verses Jesus says

John 14 paraphrased

In heaven there are many mansions

He is going to heaven to prepare a place for them

He will come again for them so that they can be with Him in heaven

John 17 paraphrased

His prayer to His Father is that those whom have been given to Him be with Him where He is and behold His glory which is in heaven.

1 Thess paraphrased

The Lord returns in the clouds. The dead in Christ rise first and believers are then caught up to be with them and THEN shall we be with the Lord for ever.

Hopefully you can see from the above scriptures that Jesus and Paul taught or certainly give the impression that we are with the LORD when He returns for us at the resurrection and not before.

Why did the Apostle say we groan for our resurrection body and not death?

Ro 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

So what happens at death. We are composed of spirit, soul and body. I now believe that upon death the spirit returns to the LORD who gave it. Jesus committed his spirit to the Father and His soul went to Paradise/Abrahams bosom. Stephen when martyred cried out Lord Jesus receive my spirit. Though not mentioned I assume his soul like His LORDs went to paradise/abrahams bosom and not to heaven because of the verses mentioned above. The soul as in the story of Lazarus either goes to Abrahams Bosom or the place of torment which is located in the bowels of the earth and the body goes to the grave to return to dust. The conscious souls of christians and old testament saints await in paradise for the resurrection and so be with the LORD for ever. That is why the resurrection is such a big event. This was the view of the early church and seems consistent with what Jesus said in the above verses. PS I judge no one for holding to a belief that they go immediately to heaven after they die


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Barbara Kay 3 years ago from USA Author

bill, These are good verses to contemplate. Thanks for sharing them. My thinking is leaning towards yours.


bill1970 3 years ago

Another one to contemplate Barbara,

2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

This is the very verse in the past I have used to justify my old belief of going straight to heaven after I die. Looking at it now I see the preceding 4 verses are talking about a desire to be clothed with a resurrection body. Paul says in verse 4 .... not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. Paul says not that we would be unclothed which I take to be disemboded/die. So in verse 8 is it now talking about being unclothed and being with the LORD after the preceding 7 verses have us desiring to be clothed upon. Is verse 8 in context with 1-4?

So in essense Paul talks about a desiring to be clothed with our resurrection body and not to be unclothed in verses 1-4 only to then say that being unclothed/absent from the body/dead/disembodied is to be with the LORD. Should not verses 5 to 8 build on 1-4 rather than contradict them. Is not verses 5-8 talking about being absent from this body to be present with LORD to be understood in the context of flesh and blood ie this mortal body cannot inherit the kingdom of God?

1 Cor 15

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 ¶ Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

For flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

I did a word search on the phrase "with the Lord" and here it is

2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord


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Barbara Kay 3 years ago from USA Author

bill1970, Thanks for the verses. These make a lot of sense.


bill1970 3 years ago

Hi Barbara this will be my last post and thanks for letting share my view.

1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Here we have Paul saying deliver this guy to satan for the destruction of flesh in order that his spirit may be saved. When does he say his spirit will be saved? At death? No. That it may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Another verse to consider..

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

For people who look at my posts down the track, I set record straight I in NO WAY believe or advocate soul sleep. There are too many scriptures that say otherwise. I do believe that we go to abrahams bosom/paradise(Luke16;22, Luke 23;43), a place of rest for our conscious soul to await, with the old testament saints a glorious resurrection and so be with the LORD.


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Barbara Kay 3 years ago from USA Author

Thanks Bill. I think you should write a hub yourself on this, because you've finished enough research on it to do one. Let me know if you do, so I can read it.


Tyler 3 years ago

In the book of Revelation, 6:9-11, it talks about souls Under the alter of God, so they are not actually In the throne room which is the Temple of God/Tabernacale. Then in Rev. 15:5-8 it talks about the seven angels with the 7 bowls & it says no one is allowed in to the sanctuary of the tent of the witness/the Tabernacale until after the 7 bowls are poured out, because Jesus doesn't return until after that. So if we go to heaven instantly, we don't go to the Temple of the Father, we would be kept in some other place of paradise to await judgment.


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Barbara Kay 3 years ago from USA Author

Tyler, That is interesting. I'll have to go there and read it. Thanks for your comments.


bill1970 3 years ago

It is most likely the souls under the alter are tribulation saints who have been marytred during the reign of the anti christ and who are resurrected at the end of the tribulation upon Christs return.

Rev 15 2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Re 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The raptured church is pictured around the throne in heaven prior to our Lord opening the judgement seals.

Rev 4 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

5 1 ¶ And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Here we have pictured a crowned, resurrected, glorified church seated around the throne of God.

Rev 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Here we have the glorified church singing their song

Rev 5 8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

and again in Rev 1

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

So the raptured saints & resurrected saints are seated in heaven about the throne both crowned and glorified prior to the unleashing of God's wrath during the tribulation period.

Side note. Angels to my knowledged are never pictured seated before the throne. The are always pictured standing. The glorified church is.

Ephesians 2 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

The resurrected churc


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Barbara Kay 3 years ago from USA Author

bill1970, Thank you for your well researched reply. What you are saying here is what I have always been taught.


bill1970 3 years ago

barbara, the twenty four elders identity can be confusing if...you believe that we go to heaven when we die and not abrahams bosom. The twenty four elders could be seen as the souls of christians in heaven and not bodily resurrected christians which would mean that the church would go through the tribulation and a whole lot of other things.

If you believe John 14.3 " And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

to be that we are only in heaven when he comes for us as described in 1thess 4:13-18 and not when we die than there can be no doubt that the twenty four elders who are redeemed and in heaven, seated about the throne, are anything but a glorified resurrected and raptured church. This absolutely smashes any mid trib or post trib argument.

sidenote: Isn't it interesting in the letter to Thessalonians about those who have died in Christ that he does not comfort them by saying that they are now in the Lords presence, that their souls are now enjoying heavenly bliss. No he comforts them by the power of the resurrection, the day when Jesus will come for us and them! This is the christian hope.


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Barbara Kay 3 years ago from USA Author

bill1970, Thanks for your further comments. Yes, it can get confusing.


Jody 3 years ago

I think we sleep but yet in the twickle of the eye it happens because we lose time after earthly bodies die either way this is an awsome topic with Godly people and i pray all of us find ourselves in heaven on Gods time and plan.


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Barbara Kay 3 years ago from USA Author

Jody, Thanks for your answer.


bill1970 3 years ago

Jody: the twinkling of an eye in which you refer to is in reference to a specific event which is the resurrection of the dead and the translation of living believers and is not referring to the time between death and resurrection.. 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Jesus when in sheol preached to the spirits of the dead.

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Jesus gives us a clear example of what happens immediately after death, for believers a place of rest, for unbelievers a place of torment.

Luke 16; And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:

28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

These are clear examples of a conscious state after death and there are more if you wish me to post.

Regards

Bill


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Barbara Kay 3 years ago from USA Author

Bill, Thanks for your comments.


June Appel 3 years ago

Well the BIBLE does tell us in Luke chapter 16, you should use the King James Version because it is the closest translated to the manuscripts so you have the truth of GODS words. It talks about a rich man and a beggar verse 22-31 is when they died and it talks about sides of the gulf that we will be on until judgement day, which is when we will all be judged


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Barbara Kay 3 years ago from USA Author

June, Thanks for commenting. There are so many different verses that people use to backup what they believe that it is hard to understand. One preacher made a timeline of the end times and he claimed that the Christians that have died have a separate judgement in heaven. Not that it decided where they would spend eternity, but in heaven that decided what rewards they received. I think he called it the Beama Seat judgement. Everyone seems to have different verses to backup different things. Thanks for sharing and you are right about the rich man and the beggar.


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SharLovesYeshua 22 months ago

Pastor told us that because there is no time in Heaven, time does not exist, and that as we speak ,we are already in Heaven. That brings both rapture and Going directly to Heaven, together as one...that's pretty neat!

2 Peter 3:8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

Psalm 90:4

For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night.

Psalm 90:2

Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.

John 1:1-51 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. ...

We existed before we were actually born. At the beginning when God created The Heavens and The Earth, God knew when we would be born and what we would do. As times does not exist than we can be in existence as we speak in The Salvation of Heaven, Amen

I Love Jesus and I know God is Love and however He is giving us salvation to Live with Him, will be truly amazing as God is The Most High and Amazing! Wow!

God Bless you all with eternity in Christ Jesus!


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Barbara Kay 22 months ago from USA Author

There are different interpretations of when we'll go to heaven. If we are heaven now, I wouldn't look forward to it much.


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celafoe 22 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

Amazing to see all these opinions. But since there is no separation until the judgement, after the book of life is opened, only after the judgement are we sent to our eternal home, the new jerusalem or the lake of fire. Rev chapter 20. How do explain all these "opinions".


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Barbara Kay 22 months ago from USA Author

I do wonder where some of them get their opinions. We won't know until after we die. However I've been told there are two judgments. One is after the Rapture and Christians in heaven will receive their rewards and the other is the Judgement you are speaking of. In different places the Bible leads you to believe that you will go immediately to heaven (the thief on the cross) and others not until the Judgement day.


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celafoe 22 months ago from Planet earth. between the oceans

There is no such thing as rapture. The scriptures rapturists use say the exact opposite of what they try to make them say. This doctrine was introduced only 300 or so years ago and was never heard of befire that, Schofield the heretic that the baptist churches study brought it to the usa. He came into maki g it up by mis interpreting a dream from a young woman, Margaret McDonald. She said he misconstrued her dream interpretation to promote his heresy. They clearly say as it was in the days of Noah, when all the Unrighteous were removed from earth. Read it closely the whole chapters. Also read my hub. We are going Where?

Scripture is clear . The righteous Shall INHERIT the earth. God has NEVER TAKEN HIS PEOPLE OUT of anything, He HAS ALWAYS BROUGHT THEM THROUGH. Check the exodus. ALL will be there for the judgement (the dead in Christ rise first) and then the unrighteous will be thrown into the lake of fire with the devil and all unrighteousness.

Study it for yourself with the desire to learn the truth, ash the Holy Spirit to give you the truth and you see it is all a lie of the apostate churches of men.

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