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Half way point

Well the half way stage of the English Premier League is upon us, 19/38 games played, if the first half of the season is mirrored, it would see Manchester United 14 points clear at the top of the table but if there is anything we have learned from last season, is that even a 7 point lead can be overcome and nobody will be fully writing City off this time, until it is mathematically impossible. Chelsea's 8 - 0 win against Aston Villa shows that they are a force to be reckoned with on their day, Arsenal, Everton and Spurs remain big outsiders but Football is a funny old game, which can throw up the odd miracle.

Who will win the 2012-13 EPL Outright?

  • Manchester United
  • Manchester City
  • Chelsea
  • Spurs
  • Arsenal
  • Everton
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Results of the Aug-Dec Poll

The results are in.... and Football fans believe that Manchester United will win the 2012/13 English Premier League, based on votes gathered between Gameweek 1 to Gameweek 19.

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Post AUG Transfer Window POLL

Who Will Win The 2012-2013 Outright!?

  • 27% Arsenal FC
  • 26% Chelsea FC
  • 5% Liverpool FC
  • 9% Manchester City
  • 29% Manchester United
  • 1% Newcastle United
  • 2% Tottenham Hotspurs
  • 1% Other
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POLL Re-opened

Now that the Transfer window is finished, we have a better view of the strength of the squads, perhaps a new signing or loss of a player has changed your opinion on a certain teams title credentials, the poll's have been reopened, so it is time to vote again and see if the opinion has changed!

We have also got an insight into how the teams are gelling, perhaps Chelsea being the only team to win all 3 opening games has changed your mind, certainly numerically they have an advantage, or maybe seeing RVP fire on all cyclinders has made you think that Man Utd stand a better chance than you originally thought, or perhaps you still think that Man City will defend their crown or that Arsenal will still win it, despite their slow start.

Results from the Pre Season Polls

According to the results of the polls, pre-season expectation was;


1st - Arsenal

2nd - Manchester United

3rd - Chelsea

and the final CL spot

4th - Liverpool

PRE SEASON PREDICTIONS

Who Will Win The 2012/2013 English Premier League Outright?

  • 32% Arsenal FC
  • 17% Chelsea FC
  • 14% Liverpool FC
  • 11% Manchester City
  • 21% Manchester United
  • 2% Newcastle United
  • 3% Tottenham Hotspurs
  • 1% Other
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With the English Premier League fast approaching, it is time to look at who the main contenders for the title are and analyze their title credentials, The 2011/2012 season brought a thrilling climax, as for the first time in EPL history, the Title was won and lost on goal difference on the final day of the season. If that wasn't thrilling enough, the title shifted hands in the final minutes of play. This season could be even more spectacular, with all squads arguably strengthened, last season quickly became a two horse race between the 2 Manchester Clubs, however this season could see the re-emergence of Chelsea and Arsenal as strong contenders, following their relative splashing of the cash this summer.


Arsenal FC

Arsenal finished 3rd in the 2011/2012 campaign and managed to avoid the embarrassment of finishing lower than their bitter rivals Tottenham, who led them for most of the season but a Strong second half of the season saw Arsenal finish strongly and see off the other competitors for what would turn out to be the final champions league spot, much to Tottenhams misfortune, something the Arsenal fans would have relished even further.

However not all was rosey and glossy, for Arsenal made a terrible start to the 2011/2012 campaign and were much closer to a relegation battle opposed to champions league place battle for the first quarter. A 8 - 2 loss at the hands of rivals Manchester United was perhaps the low point in their season, this led to increased speculation that Arsene Wenger would be sacked but unlike most other clubs, the Arsenal directors kept they're faith in a manager which had brought them such success in his early reign at the club.

Arsenal then began stringing multiple victories together, many attribute this to the sheer form of Robin Van Persie (RVP), who was on fire and managed to avoid injury throughout a whole campaign for possibly the first time in his Arsenal career, this led to him picking up the Golden Boot and deemed him by many, to have carried Arsenal back up to the top end of the table.

This perhaps overshadowed the influence of the other players, when Song's creativity, Koscielny's increasing competency and the return of the rock solid Thomas Vermaelen, whose return from injury, coincided with Arsenals change in fortunes. Arsenal were rocked by somewhat of a defender crisis in the early stages of the season, the youngsters were unable to step up to the plate and Arsenals lack of squad depth was exposed.

The losses of key players Fabregas and Nasri were a big loss no doubt, however Arsenal have shown enough signs of emerging talent to perhaps overcome this in the form of Alex Oxlade Chamberlain, Theo Walcott, Aaron Ramsey and Jack Wilshire.

Many will see the RVP factor to be the greatest influence as to whether Arsenal will contend for the title this year, his 30 goals from last season will undoutably be a missed asset, however Arsenal have strengthened their attack force, with a rare loosening of the purse strings from Arsene Wenger, which has seen him bring in German international Lukas Podolski and French international Giroud, however Wenger seems unable to learn from his mistakes and has failed to adequately buy cover for his defensive positions, which was arguably the cause of their poor start to the 2011/2012 season, with Per Mertzacker looking set to be a flop in the Arsenal red.

Chelsea FC

Chelsea finished 6th in the 2011/2012 campaign, their lowest finish of the Roman reign, however they can now laugh it off, as the campaign was arguably a success, with them scooping the Champions League title against all odds, giving them automatic qualification for the Champions League, to the expense of 4th place Tottenham, had Chelsea have failed to win the Champions League, their future could have looked very bleak, with their 6th place EPL finish, not being sufficient enough to gain qualification for the following years Champions League, had this have happened, i would have been very surprised if they had of being able to compete within the transfer market in the way that they have, remarkably beating Champions Manchester City and giants Manchester United to the purchase of Eden Hazard.

Chelsea's revival came in coincidence with the sacking of manager Andre Villas Boas (AVB), now of Tottenham Hotspur, AVB soon cast a controversial figure amongst players and fans alike, as he chose to bench Chelsea established first team players and legends of the club in the form of Didier Drogba and Frank Lampard. There was much speculation that there was unrest in the Chelsea camp and that perhaps AVB's age or lack of experience within Football, was giving him difficulty in gaining respect from the players, with the likes of Lampard and Drogba being his peers, it was perhaps in part due to this that AVB decided the only way he could gain respect and remain senior was to be freeze such players out and so for perhaps the first time in their Chelsea careers, Frank and Didier were finding themselves on the bench, something that proved to be very unwelcome to such competitive and decorated players. However AVB was not completely alone, factions of the fans and media had also began speculating on the fitness of the two players and whether they 'still had it', despite constant insistance from both players, that they were still feeling good and fit.

AVB was setting out to rebuild the Chelsea squad but a terrible run of form meant that despite Romans initial intentions to oversee a patient rebuilding of the Chelsea squad with youth players, AVB had to go and in stepped Caretaker Manager Roberto Di Mateo, to help salvage the rest of the season and keep things ticking over at Chelsea until Roman could decide on his next future ex-manager. Di Matteo managed to regalvanize the squad and brought Lampard and Drogba back into the heart of the club and gave them value again, they repaid this faith by spearheading a remarkable turn of events in final quarter of the season, which saw them dump the infamous and deemed by many as unbeatable; Barcelona out of the CL competition at Semi's over two legs. With Didier Drogba inparticularly the driving force behind their inspirational win, sticking a big loud middle finger up towards AVB. This left many Chelsea fans wondering, what may have been with Roberto Di Matteo in charge for a full season, with his great tactical choices and getting the players happy and enjoying their Football again, well they are about to find out, as Roberto Di Matteo leads the helm going into the 2012/2013 season, however Chelsea will be without their Talismanic frontman Didier Drogba.

Their acquisition of Eden Hazard sent a big message to their rivals, we are here to mean business!, it demonstrated an ambition to conquer once again and invest in the squad, Roman now has his ever elusive CL trophy and can return to focusing on the EPL again. Romelu Lukaka looks poised to attempt to fill the big shoes of Didier Drogba and revitalized striker Fernando Torres picked up the 2012 European Championships Golden Boot award, leading many to tout him as set to be this seasons top scorer in the EPL. Further acquisitions of Marin who has already scored within pre-season and the highly rated Brazilian midfielder Oscar, will only strengthen their plight and don't be too surprised to see a few more transfers from Chelsea, with HULK looking imminent, as they look poised to take their rightful place in 'the top 4'.

Liverpool

Liverpool finished 8th in the 2011/2012 campaign a position which doesn't settle too lightly amongst the Anfield faithful, made worse by losing out to seventh place and finishing below bitter rivals Everton on the final day of the season. Despite good performances in the domestic cups in 2012, the season will ultimately be deemed as a failure and the club was at the center of great controversy and manager and club legend Kenny Dalglish didn't do his career any favors in either respects, leaving the initial resurgence of Liverpool FC in his opening games looking like a false dawn, the new transfers flopped and Liverpool were frequently unable to score goals and hold onto leads and so King Kenny was sacked after failing to take the club to Premier League heights as he had done for Blackburn Rovers in the 94/95 season.

Liverpool have since replaced him with Brenden Rogers who did a remarkable job at Swansea FC, with very limited resources but he will now have a big chance to prove his managerial worth and flex his muscles with a relatively larger transfer budget. Brenden looks set to make his mark on the squad early and has already offloaded Maxi and Dirk Kuyt and looks set to get rid of Andy Carrol, all of whom don't comply with Brenden Rogers's distinctive brand of passing football and maintaining possession, which was regularly on display at Swansea FC, he looks poised for a reunion with welsh midfielder Joe Allen, who has been molded into that very type of player of which Brenden Rogers craves by himself at Swansea FC. Don't be surprised to see Liverpool playing a tight conservation possession game this season but will it suit the current crop of players, it is either going to be an instant success or a much more tedious bedding in period in which the Liverpool faithful may have to accept another mediocre table finish whilst the team is in a transitional phase.

Liverpools stature and its history make them a constant contender for the title, regardless of their recent positions and striker Luis Suarez will absolutely key if they are to perform this season, he will be aided by the arrival of Italian striker Borini who will be no stranger to Brenden Rogers, who worked with him during his time at Chelsea FC. The aging Captain Steven Gerrard insists that he still has a lot to give and his 3 assists in the Euro 2012 campaign and avoidance of injury throughout provide argue in his defense, can he drive Liverpool towards that ever elusive EPL title and restore themselves as European Heavy weights, the likes of Gerrard will be bitterly determined to fill that void which they have in their trophy cabinet.

Manchester City

Manchester City are the current holders of the Premier League after finishing first in the 2011/2012 campaign, there is little secret of uncertainty surrounding the club now as Roberto Mancini has surprisingly failed to sign any new players so far and clearly show signs of unwillingness to splash the same kinds of money and wages that they did during the initial formation of their squad, perhaps they have one eye on the financial fair play regulations looming in the future. There is an argument to suggest that they don't need to bring in any new players, as their current crop of players are fulfilling their duty sufficiently in delivering the EPL title, it was their first EPL title and beating their neighbors Manchester United will have made it all the sweeter, they have had to settle with being 2nd best to United for quite some time now and their recent insurgance thanks to the investment of the Sheikh family, has led to them being dubbed 'The Noisy Neighbors', they laid to bed any doubts that people had as to whether this group of individuals could be forged into a team and the nature of their comeback on the final day of the season will only help to galvanize the squad, the pressure will be on City now, to prove it wasn't a one of fluke.

In some respects they can be proud simply to have won the title in such a manor and showed a cool head and good spirit to do the impossible and peg Manchester United back after falling 8 points behind at such a late point in the season, all the while pundits and the footballing world alike were ready to stake their house on Manchester United seeing out the remainder of the games and easily sealing the title, Mancini all the while playing down his own teams chances in what was probably mind games and in hindsight effective mind games at that. On the other hand City are not without their problems and it should not be forgotten that they too threw away an early 5 point lead on their rivals. The team is not without its fractures, some thought that Balotelli would never play for City again, at least not for the remainder of the season, after constant bickering amongst his own players and poor professionalism left him in the dog house and not a single person would have staked their house on Tevez ever pulling on the blue shirt again, after very publicly falling out with manager Roberto Mancini and wanting out, but he came back the end of the season, as we are to believe all is rosy again in the camp. Despite all this and the fact that they did end up sticking together to win the league, they are still a very volatile crop of players, ready to self implode at any minute and the ego's are there for all to see.

Roberto Mancini has done a fantastic job at handling the numerous tricky situations his immature spoilt squad have thrown at him so far, he is worth his weight in gold as a manager for that alone, can he continue to hold them together so that they can go on to win back to back titles, only 3 clubs have more than one EPL title and only 2 of them have won back to back titles, City have the chance to make that 3 clubs this season and will be many peoples favorites.


Manchester United

Manchester United finished 2nd in the 2011/2012 campaign. They are the most decorated English club in Premier League history. Since its formation in 1992, they have won a staggering 12 titles in 20 attempts and if not the winners typically finish as runners up, much as they did in the thrilling end to the 2011/2012 campaign, which saw Manchester United uncharacteristically throw away an 8 point lead in the title race, losing twice to rivals Manchester City before finally losing to them on the final day of the season, at the final kick of the ball, on goal difference. Nearly everybody in the Footballing world was certain that United would seal the EPL no problem, at 8 points ahead, with only a handful of games remaining but City obviously hadn't read that script, most pundits identified the experience of the United players, in this kind of situation and a superior ability to do what needs to be done under pressure, a winning mentality which has been evident in the majority of the previous campaigns, however last year this failed them and many people deem the current crop of players to be low down in the rankings compared to other squads under the rule of Sir Alex. The biggest loss to Manchester United was their captain Vidic, at the start of the season, its always a blow to loose any first team regular but the fact it was their captain and rock at the heart of the defence clearly had a big impact, as United ultimately lost the title by conceding a greater amount of goals than their rivals and their inability to hold onto leads in the final games of the season, as epitomized by their 4 - 4 draw with Everton after leading 4 - 2, which most people attribute to be the moment their season turned for the worse.

People are likely to view the negatives from the 2011/2012 season but i'm sure a different tune had of being sung, had Aguero not managed to slot home in the dying minutes vs QPR. United for most games had the youngest team on the pitch and this shows a promising future, Scholes' return was masterful comeback and Rooney despite much criticism still managed to bag 27 EPL goals, only 3 behind RVP. De Gea now looks a lot steadier than at the beginning of the season and his Shots against to Saves ratio is the best in the league.

Vidic is now back and United have overseen a small overhaul, as Fergie is determined to improve the squad in order to get revenge on their neighbors, Fergie thrives off a challenge and will have been wracking his brains all summer about how to compete. United have a much smaller transfer budget and it is public knowledge that the Glazier family have left their finances in a very poor state, this has led to them no longer being able to compete in the transfer market, with the likes of super rich Chelsea and Man City and they recently lost out to the purchase of Eden Hazard. Fergie has been shrewd as always this season and has been looking for bargains or 'Market Value' as he calls it, clearly aware of how inflated the transfer market has recently become and the ridiculous fees thrown around on players such as Fernando Torres and Andy Carrol, which are arguably over priced. New transfer Shinji Kagawa was bought for a very humble 12-17 million and looks a hot prospect having scored in pre-season already, the fact that he has transferred from a team which won the Bundesliga last term, shows that Manchester United still hold their reputation and therefore can still attract high calibre players, despite a disappointing season all round, where they only won the Community Shield and rather feebly limped out of the champions league, F,A cup and League cup.

With the exception of the 2003-2006 era, Manchester United have never gone two seasons without winning the EPL and will be desperate to ensure that of all people it is not their bitter rivals City, that deprive them of it. Manchester United will come back with a new found motivation and players such as Jones, Smalling and De Gea will now be a year older and a year wiser. Fergie doesn't seem content on stopping there, he has also purchased the 18 year old promising attacking midfielder 'Nick Powell', who looks like one for the future and is busy trying to sign Brazils young prodigy 'Moura', he looks determined to forge one last strong team, with enough youth for his legacy to last well after his retirement.

Manchester United have begun their pre-season training in South Africa for the fourth time in EPL history, the other three times they then went on to win the league in that same year, could this be an omen for the future.

Newcastle United

Newcastle finished 5th in the 2011/2012 campaign. It was a remarkable feat for a club that was not long ago in the Championship. They will be a real outsider odd but then again, who thought they'd finish 5th.

They started very strongly and at one point found themselves at the top of the table, Demba Ba was proving to the buy of the season, banging goal after goal in and all this for a striker who had been bought on a free, it made the 50 million purchase of Fernando Torres look all the more ridiculous. When Ba and Tiote left for the African cup of nations, Newcastle began to suffer and dropped their biggest points during this time. Upon returning from national duty, Demba Ba appeared to bring a friend back with him (Papiss Cisse), the club had finally decide to seemingly splash out some of their Andy Carroll money. Papiss Cisse started in electric form, scoring a goal on his debut and then proceeding to score in every game afterwards, breaking the EPL record for goals scored within consecutive games. Demba Ba has began to stop scoring goals and turned provider, playing in a much deeper role than normal but nobody was going to complain, whilst him and Cisse were linking up for goal after goal. Yohan Cabaye looked a real player through and another complete steal in the market by Alan Pardew costing a mere 4.3 million, Ben Arfa clearly enjoyed his limited loan spell at Newcastle, which was cut short by Nigel de Jongs poor tackle, which saw him break his leg and miss the rest of the season, making the loan deal perminant and in the second stage of the season inparticular, showed himself to be a player of true class. Newcastle went on a run and seemed to be thoroughly enjoying themselves and found themselves potentially battling for 3rd, which would have been a remarkable feat and Champions League football looked like a very realistic prospect, but alas to many peoples disappointment, they ran out of steam in the final weeks and finished 5th, which is still a brilliant achievement.

The question is, can they repeat the feat, will they be able to pick up where they left off and can they keep hold of their stars?, so far they've done a good job of holding on to their players but Mike Ashley has a history of selling players. There has been some strong links with Andy Carroll making a return to Newcastle, which would certainly see them an even more formidable force, it would be important for them to get some cover during the African cup of nations, which otherwise will surely ruin their title credentials, should Ba and Cisse both choose to go away on international duty.

Tottenham Hotspur

Tottenham finished in 4th place in the 2011/2012 campaign. They were encridibly unfortunate, first of all not to finish top 3, after a very bright initial start to the campaign and then the cruelest of all missing out on Champions League football, despite finishing in the desired 4th position, due to Chelsea taking the final Champions League slot after winning the Champions League, despite finishing 6th place in the EPL themselves.

The repercussions of this could be great, without the lure of Champions League Football, they will be unable to attract stellar players but the greater concern lies closer to home, there is unrest in the squad as star man Modric wants away and has very publicly said so, his relationship with the club and the chairman Daniel levy, would appear to beyond repair. There was a fear that if Harry Redknapp left, there would be a mass exodus. Frontman Emmanuel Adebayor who proved to be an instant hit with the Spurs faithful, despite his past history at Arsenal, has now returned to his Parent club Manchester City. They have released Saha and now we must assume that Jermaine Defoe is their main out and out striker, with Van Der Vaart adept to playing pushed up to a forward role in support. They look a weaker squad than they did last year in both skill and team cohesion, Bale failed to set the world alight in the way he had began to in 2011 and there is a fear that as it is Harry Redknapp who brought them to the heights of the top 6, they may very well revert back to being a mid table club in his absence. The appointment of AVB is sure to make every Spurs fan a little nervous after his poor performance at neighbors Chelsea but they should look to his record in Portugal for comfort.

Tottenham was arguably the best side to watch in the first half of the season but then went on an atrocious run of form, which coincided with the speculation regarding Manager Harry Redknapp and the vacant England Managerial position.

Tottenham have to be considered a contender for the exciting attacking play that they are capable of, however i fear the club may end up in a downward spiral following the exit of Harry and potential exit of Modric.

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Richard-Murray 4 years ago

Arsenal is a good side still, but defensively I have yet to be convinced with them. the early season games will show. Arsenal have never been poor at scoring since the Wenger era began but they are in their worst defensive drought since. Can they undo their defensive woes, because all the talk about these new forward options will mean little if Arsenal leak in the back. Potent and strong forward options, but defensively how can Arsenal handle the Manchester's, Chelsea, and in those three teams a mixture of age exists that still illudes arsenal and that can make a big difference.

Torres is not revitalized, he just has been fortunate to be on winning sides for club and country and get bigger media attention than many other players. I support Chelsea as you know, but when Mata comes back and Sturridge as well, i wonder where Torres will belong. I think Torres needs to move on really. Milan is looking for a new striker. He should go their. I saw Milan against Chelsea. Milan defensively look as astute as ever, but if Milan could get LAss from Real Madrid and Torres from Chelsea, they could so serious damage with their pieces.

I look at Marin, and Hazard during the preseason. When Mata comes, with Ramires in the mix. I just don't know if Torres will have the space he likes. During his time at Liverpool his best was with Liverpool giving him a lot of space to operate. Chelsea seem to be more of a short ball team than ever. They are faster now but play a lot fo short balls. Torres tends to hold on to the ball. He needs to get into automatically firing and he seems more content to pass around when he is the final player to get the ball. In spain he is sole striker but with Chelsea the switching is causing him to hesitate taking strikes. He will waste opportunities. He has to become more decisive.

Liverpool shouldn't be hurt. Adam and Gerrard have no problem with the passing game and Borini from Roma will definitely fit into that system well, but I worry about defense. Liverpool under Daglish was defensively rigid, and quite good. Swansea possessed decently last season but they still got beat because they had that high line and didn't have defensive grit. Can Liverpool's backline do what Chelsea's couldn't be gritty and allow the midfield and forwards to play so high up the pitch possessing. The counterattack is the problem when coaches start the high possession game. Will Liverpool defensively be as awoke when they start this possession thing?

AVB tried the same thing at Chelsea. IT doesn't win titles in the EPL. It works with Barca but Barca play a team of midfielders. Messi isn't a true striker, he is a forward midfielder. David Villa is a forward midfielder. Podolski and Gervinho are true strikers. Walcott is a striker that is still unconvincign as a winger. Which is why Arsenal can't win.

I just don't know if Liverpool have the midfield quality to possess and win titles like Barca, which is their goal along with Arsenals. They will play what the media calls attractive soccer and I call dumb coaching.

Manchester City don't need new signings, they need to keep the team whole and play another season with last years experience and a good summer under their belt. Manchester City don't need new players.

And, they are the favorites to win it for me, again. The depth, the quality. Manchester City have big players to rupture the weak backlines of arsenal. the midfield players to outmaneuver man united :) haha the defenders to handle tottenham's and chelsea's forwards.

Manchester United made a very good signing with Kagawa, SAF is trying to find a way to out run MAn City who are the only team in the EPL trying to win everything, and with the tools to truyl do so. No other team has enough depth with enough quality to win the carling, fa, epl, and cl.

But, I think Fergie is more focused on the EPL crown. He knows Real MAdrid , Barca, and PSG are looming over the CL and he probably realizes those teams depth and quality and easier domestic situations give them a favorite position.

This years group stage for the UEFA CL will be even more vital than last seasons. Ancelotti , is looking to give PSG a CL and dominate in France and those three acquisitions have made it very possible with Menez and company still there. I don't know if youth developing Lille or Montpellier can get the win or if the Olympics can rise to former glories.

Manchester United will look to the EPL crown.

Newcastle drop this season. Chelsea will be better formed, and Liverpool will more than likely raise a bit. I think Everton might just drop a little. Newcastle just don't have the pieces to compete for the crown. But, I think they can get a cup if they try really hard.

One of my favorite english actors, Sean Bean is a spurs fan, but Spurs like Liverpool and Newcastle are the not close enough clubs that can surprise and will surprise but are in my view cup tournament winners and need to focus on winning the Europa League.

When REdknapp said last year that he didn't like the Europa competition I think he missed the reality of teams like spurs, newcastle, liverpool and arsenal. For those sides, all the talk about winning the epl is so large but for their supposed quality, they really have been poor in the europa league and they shouldn't be. It is a sacrifice but winning the europa league in my view is a bigger gift for players looking to help their brand and not enough of the 4th to 7th place EPL sides even consider it.

The difference at Porto with AVB is that Porto had Hulk and Guarin. Tottenham don't have those kind of players. Hulk to me, is one of those players that is physically special. He is so big you aren't knocking the ball off of him, but his dribbling is like a little mans. Hulk is dangerous because he can hold up play in midfield and come out of tight spots and pass strongly out. He can also score from distance. Guarin is a magician, and with Hulk both offered big guys up top with dribblign skills and speed.

Bale and LEnon are fast, explosive nearly, but they don't have the dribbling or passing skills for AVB's style at Porto. And DeFoe is no Falcoa.Like Bale and Lenon DeFoe is direct. AVB needs to give Tottenham's midfield more manuevarability and stop relying soleyl on modric.

And that is why Spurs will not let Modric go except for a very uneven amount of cash. I think spurs need to play defensively deep, try to get teams to press them which will give defoe, lenon, and bale space which is their strength, outrunning opponents. AVB needs a good passer who can play defense and is hungry for the ball to help modric.

Well done:)


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

Good break down of the contenders!You know i was planning to do exactly the same hub=P!But it's no use now..As for my opinion,honestly speaking Arsenal will definitely win the Premier League!


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internpete 4 years ago from At the Beach in Florida

Lots of good info and well written. I am very excited (as most people probably are) for the next EPL season. I think many teams that did not do as well as they wanted have made changes and improvements so this season could be anybody's game. Man City and Many U will likely be the two biggest competitors but it also seems likely other teams like Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Tottenham, Newcastle, and others will give them a run for the title.

Good look into next seasons top teams, I guess we shall have to wait and see who wins it! Voted up and shared!


Martyv25 4 years ago

Great hub and a good look at the top teams from last season, I'm a Geordie, but a realistic one and I can admit that we probably won't win the Premier League next season. Chelsea and Arsenal going on a spending spree will not help them either, the two Manchester clubs will still be battling it out between themselves and finish one and two.


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JBastow 4 years ago from Gateshead United Kingdom

Great hub, also how bad is Spurs new kit omg hahahahahaha!


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Agreed Mostly Richard, but god you wrote your own hub there :)

@Pete indeed, i sense the return of a big 4 again, rather than a big 2

wow 2 geordies in @JBastow and @Martyv25, you'll be glad Newkie got a mention here but yeah like Marty said its unlikely but if any teams gonna defy all odds it'd be them

@Martyv hope to see you Hubbing again for the 2012/2013 Season ;)

@JBastow Yeah lol the new Spurs kit is kinda dull


Martyv25 4 years ago

@CCahill, you can be sure I will be back to hubbing about football when the new season returns, maybe I'll join your football hubbers network.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

@Marty Hope so :)


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Well it started Neck and Neck between the two Manchester clubs but then Chelsea came out of nowhere and burst into the lead, could it be an omen for the season ahead.


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@CCahill :) yeah I did:)

I can say a lot toward how I feel about the table, but for brvity's sake, I think Liverpool need to win the Europa League. Real and Barca dominate La Liga so much the second tier clubs, Valecia and Atletico Madrid see value in the Europa League while the second tier in most other leagues don't.

I know what Liverpool's supporters want but if Liverpool can win another domestic cup and the Europa League, I think that is a EPL second tier clubs best chances to lift gold.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

In a remarkable twist of events Man City are now joint 4th with Liverpool in the Polls.

Personally i have been unbiased and chose a team which i do not support instead of my own, out of recognition for their strength this season (Chelsea)


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Arsenal Have Fought their way to the top of the poll's, have Wengers latest signings filled you with confidence about Arsenals prospect going into the new season? Arsenal have not won the EPL since the 2003/2004 season, could this be their season after a long wait for trophies.


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

Right now, the only teams who will have any defensive strength to lift trophies are the manchesters. The rest of the bunch look like they will leak goals from day one. If anything that helps Arsenal, since Arsenal wins goal scoring battles in the EPL. But, Arsenal still can't get by the Manchesters.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Nejmanja Vidic returns for Manchester United this season, that's like a big signing almost


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

Konscielny has vastly improved along with Vermaelen who was injured last season and the new signings Arsenal will have the defensive and attacking grit to win the Epl.No wonder so many people think so the same.Arsenal can't get past the Manchesters is just too vague a statement without any relevance.Last season even we beat City and other top teams but due to injuries and the poor start due to sudden departures cost us in the end.We managed third due to an impressive winning streak of 15 games in a row.Only if the start would have been better.

You know when United won the league in 2010-2011 they had lost matches against the top teams.It's all about consistency.


$44D 4 years ago

arsenal losing rvp looking weaker having a draw in the first match no! not a contender.in my opinion a finish for them would be 4-7.

chelsea -winning the champions league getting hazard marin and oscar but losing drogba doesn't matter as torres is back with a good 2-0 win see them coming in position 1 to 3.

newcastle -nothing to see after chelsea vs newcastle i will put my opinion down but as 4 now think 4-7.

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liverpool no contest losing 3-0 to west brom see them going relegated if not 9-7 would be a good position.

man city won last year won the community shield look sharp 1-3 position.

man utd 1-3 as rvp is in united increasing the chances along with return of vidic 1-2 position unless the partnership of rvp and rooney does not work.

from a chelsea fc fan


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

i closed the poll for pre-season is over, i will re-open it once the Transfer window closes, only then will we get a full picture on a teams potential.


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@CCahill, good call, tranfer window needs to close. Roberto martinez is right, it mights the early matches seem wrong but the transfer window can't be manipulated for each league


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

POLLS Now Reset and Re-opened!

Results from the Pre Season Polls

According to the results of the polls, pre-season expectation was;

1st - Arsenal

2nd - Manchester United

3rd - Chelsea

and the final CL spot

4th - Liverpool


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@CCahill,

wow! this place is arsenal country. I don't see how people can see liverpool in the top 4, especially with the team derailed to start a new process with a new coach. the media successfully hyped up brendan rodgers.

I can't comprehend how people can think man city has less of a chance than arsenal, the same with man united. Chelsea I can comprehend how people would go for arsenal over, though it is clear to me, chelsea and the manchesters are in.

the 4th spot i say tottenham or newcastle


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Yeah for the defending champions to be 5th in peoples votes is very odd

I suspect most people voted for the team they support ;)

Personally in my Pre-season vote i voted for a team which i do NOT support but i think most people have been influenced by their bias and dellusions ;)

Also i have a theory that mmsu voted for Arsenal on every single computer he could and even changed his IP continuously to be able to vote again haha


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

Hahahahahahahahaha jealous people can't even stand Arsenal winning a poll=D...

Rich says Tottenham or Newcastle in fourth which again is laughable!

Being serious everyone who is a fan of last year's top4 would have voted for their favorite team as all have an equal chance so why not vote for it.,i'm surprised too seeing Arsenal at top,considering the United followers you have but people are clever enough to understand they have a chance too unlike some and as for City,you don't have City followers so may-be that's an issue.


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edmob1 4 years ago from United Kingdom

I am glad you re-worked this hub I had forgotten about it. I was surprised at Man City and Chelsea being so low pre-season. It seems they have not picked up much either though the current poll has only 8% response of the original.

What has changed is the bookies odds City have closed to 6/4 Man U to 2/1 and Chelsea 7/2. MMSU Aresenal are still out in fourth @ 14/1.


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

I know,but trust me it will be very close


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@CCahill,

i knew this was gunners country:)

bias and delusions, there is someone mad in this group, inconceivable! [trivia moment]

you have a theory I am flat out telling, a certain gunner in this group, no names need to be mentioned at the moment, has a viewpoint that some club is going to win the EPL this season, i don't know where this comes from:)

@mmsu

you damn skippy, mens soccer, womens soccer, under 19 soccer, paraplegic, senior league, charity games, chelsea has to beat Arsenal, I am still pissed we can't win the FA WSL this season.

you are right, we all need to try to get more Reds, and Citizens in this group. More spurs too. but it's a young group, we will grow

and it will be close. The number of teams that can honestly compete for the title is about 6. But, the remaining 14 clubs have gotten stronger and will get wins and ties against the top 6 this season. Swansea, Everton [have already started], Sunderland, Fulham, these sides will get points against the top 6 not allowing any to make a huge run.

@edmob1

thank you :) ha! even though i think manu's is too high. 50% chance to win the whole thing. I don't see how that is fair, considering man united's pace in midfield and the back is still not top.


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

Hahahahaha a certain Chelsea fan,who has some crazy opinions:),and that's not bad at all and no need to take the name as Rich said=P.

Maybe he forgets to read answers before writing or is watching some other league we don't know about=D.I mean things i have been hearing for the first time,gone bananas how the hell the guy comes up with such logic:)Madd!! to think Tottenham or Newcastle finishing fourth.By the way a message to a certain some one,never did that Gooner say that Arsenal will win it certainly,he said they will be amongst it.

Tip:a certain some one should at least realx-fully read before..:)

Newcastle to fourth...yayyyyy=P


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

:) haha!


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

=D:0


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

That actually made me laugh

thing is, i voted for Chelsea but i suport Man United

im guessing no points for guessing who you 2 both chose :P


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

Hahaha seriously!


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

:) @CCahill, no points. but I chose man city. Man City have the deepest squad and they are barely changed , now they actually have quality youth for the carling and fa cup. Man City can win it all, truthfully. Chelsea don't have a wide game or aerial game anymore, that makes them too predictable and straightforward to defend. Man United are too slow in the midfield and backline and a little weak in the backline. Arsenal just don't have a chance:) Seriously, Arsenal don't have the talent to crack through the bunkered defenses, and still have their injury bug. When Vermaelen got that tackle by gerrard Wenger's heart must have jumped.


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

Tottenham are going through an AVB, Newcastle don't have the depth, Liverpool are in transition.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Ah well i apologise rich :)

In my mind our votes are much more credible ones


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

That is the group leader talking:)


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edmob1 4 years ago from United Kingdom

Not even October yet and were thinking aloud about May next year wonderful what this game does to people.Richard your analysis is pretty much the benchmark,but as you know we supporters are dreamers and somewhat partisan. If my city mates can put up with 40 years of my crowing guess I could conceed another season to them.


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

:) edmob1 true


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

lol indeed ed, although he was actually hinting at a move away this window but it looks like this story will be reopened in May


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Rich have you seen this? :P

Manchester United has a healthy lead in the new Poll and then out of nowhere Arsenal is winning everyone by double again, wtf is going on haha

mmsu weaving his magic again


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

CC [I will personalize], I have I have

I will have to communicate with hubpages about the validity of polls from now on.

I seen that magic, i just can't wait till the end of the season when Arsenal don't make the top 4. that is when I will really enjoy this post:) ha!


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

You should join a Facebook group im admin on

http://www.facebook.com/Arsenal.Wining.A.Trophy

Its called... The Awkward Moment When An Arsenal Fan Thinks They're Going To Win A Trophy, i think you might like it ;)


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

Hahahahaha jealous people can't even stand Arsenal winning a poll=p.Hahahaha love it!

By the way CCahill please screen shot the fact that Richard says Arsenal will not finish in the top 4,on the other hand i say definitely they will and will challenge for the trophy,not guaranteeing them winning it.

Will be really nice to see who gets the last laugh,would love to beat Rich again and then it 'll be all clear=D


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Ha that particular battle will be very interesting to see how it will play out, there will be a definite loser in this tale ;)


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

Ccahill,

love the cover photo:) and you are right, i can imagine it:)


rudimanukwari 4 years ago

Manchester United: Why They'll Still Win the Premier League Title

Few sides in the English Premier League are at their absolute best at the beginning of September, if any.

Clubs are working out how their summer signings will affect their style of play, how injuries will affect their chances at success this season and how to best manage the playing time of their veterans and star players so that they remain fresh all year long.

Thus three weeks into the English Premier League, it's natural that sides are not at their complete best—heck, sometimes they are not even close to their best.

And with that in mind, I'm going to make that bold statement that I seem to make this time every year: Manchester United will win the English Premier League.

The Red Devils will make amends for the heartbreak and the disappointment suffered on the final day last season, and they will clinch the title this year.

Which, after watching them struggle to put away Southampton, seems like an usual prediction to make. After watching them lose all three points to Everton and almost self-implode against Fulham, you'd be fair enough to suggest that it was an absolutely ridiculous prediction to make.

And at one level, I do not have an answer for you with that. I know just as well as you do that United have been unconvincing so far and have displayed little, if any, of the Premier League-winning qualities that many will expect to see throughout the season.

Which is why I want to point out again that few sides, if any, are at their absolute best at the beginning of September.

Simply put, this is a Manchester United side nowhere near their best.

Their defense is being held together by injury tape and defensive midfielders, rather than the world-class defenders that United have in their squad.

Once the likes of Rio Ferdinand return from injury, players can start to play their normal positions, and the Red Devils can begin to establish the defensive solidity they displayed toward the end of last season.

United are also missing winger Ashley Young and Wayne Rooney from their star-studded attack, with both England internationals dearly missed in the match against Southampton.

When they both return, Sir Alex Ferguson will have essentially a full complement of players to choose from and one of the strongest squads in the Premier League.

The Manchester club are still trying to figure out how new arrival Shinji Kagawa will operate as the team's chief playmaker this season, and they're still trying to figure out how to best utilize Robin van Persie and his relationship with Kagawa and Rooney.

They are still figuring out how to best work their midfield and how to ensure defensive stability; they're still figuring out what their team will look like this year.

And for that alone, it's difficult to therefore know what the 2012/13 English Premier League season will unveil for Manchester United. It's difficult to know how strong, or weak, the Red Devils will be this season right across the board.

But given their attacking talent and midfield strength, it is hard to discount Sir Alex Ferguson from putting together another premiership-winning squad this season.

United have all the pieces they need for success, and they have time to figure out how to work all these pieces together so that they yield the desired results.

Obviously, they cannot allow too much time for this to happen; otherwise the Chelseas and the Manchester Citys of the Premier League will establish a lead on United that is simply too big to overcome.

But once they get their roster fully functioning and their relationships figured out, you simply cannot discount Manchester United from any title discussions this year.

They are too strong, too deep and too talented for that to happen.

And they could well win the English Premier League because of it.

All about Manchester United, for fans visit http://www.unitedhot.com/


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Kagawa does indeed look really good at linking play, could be a great playmaker in the making agreed.

Nice indepth Answer ;)


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Chelsea continue to lead the pack but a 0 - 0 draw to perennial relegation battlers and local rivals QPR has done little to inspire confidence, whereas Arsenal and Manchester United show their teeth!


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@CCahill,

cmon now, did you see that game, the tackles the referee let go, QPR played for a purpose. Unfortunately, that match was a little more personal. Remember when Terry spit on the ground going into the box for the corner. Chelsea QPR isn't a normal match anymore, the media make sure of that. I was happy that both teams kept it together.

And arsenal beating on poor southhampton does not display a bite. Chelsea when they face southhampton will look great too. hell the manchesters looked poor and still beat them. Remember. I think those two losses already have defined Southhamptons date with the drop. I don't see how 6-1 vs them says anything


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

@CCahill

You are so right=D


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

dont underestimate Southampton, they did very well against United and City, they got fight, they got spirit, i just hope playing the top 4 teams in the opening 4 games hasn't killed that spirit, Llanna is a top player and Lambert has an eye for the goal...

Yeah in truth Chelsea should have won that game, may feel robbed not to, hazard should have had a penalty


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

@CCahill

Southampton is a good team with promise.Yes fixtures have been un-lucky for them.

The Qpr game was a fair draw,it looked like that game through-out.Qpr had their share of chances too.Feisty affair that one but understandable.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

and the Hazard non penalty?


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

To be very honest i did not see that particular incident,but from what i have been hearing it was a pen.However as i said above it was a close one with chances at both ends.QPR defended well overall so did Chelsea.


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@CCahill,

it is unfortunate Hazard didn't get the penalty for another 3 points would have been excellent on an international week comeback but Chelsea were not robbed. I believe in the purity of the game. Chelsea needed to do better to win. As a fan, I will not go into that.

Everton were not robbed. And I was rooting for the Liverpool Blue hard against Newcastle but I realize we as fans are starting to see every fault as a great travesty that shouldn't have been. I am willing to forgive the referees and believe in the game. No club is truly cheated. Every club needs to do the best they can regardless.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Chelsea in addition to having a 3 point lead in the EPL, put in a strong performance in the ECL last night.


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@ccahill , I think it was poor, but the danish side were too weak to capitalize.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

none the less, a 4-0? win is better than a 2-1 win to a 'weak' team that Manchester United had, looks a little more convincing.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Despite already being 7 points off the top of the table, Arsenal continue to lead the poll, is it faith or misguided confidence


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@CCahill,

it is faith, and the faith is needed more than ever before. The start of the season already shows Arsenal will need other clubs to have drop offs but will Chelsea, the Manchesters and Everton really drop that many points. I don't think so. And, can arsenal win trophies, I don't think so. The gunners fan base is huge as the biggest club in London, though not the current kings.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

we all saw how easy it is to give away a 7 point lead last season, something that still causes me much pain ;)

but your right, relying on 1 team to loose 7 points is one thing, several teams is another


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

Look very honestly speaking and i am seriously saying this as a neutral.

Talking about Arsenal,it's very easy to say that they won't win anything look at their past record etc.But this Arsenal team is very different.They have shown the character,desire and have the squad this time to compete.

I am not sure if you are correct so early about relying on other teams to drop points.Arsenal have had tough fixtures already.We all know many of these fixtures are where teams often drop points.Example City against Stoke, despite their team never winning there.

As for Everton they will start to drop points slowly and you will see that.

However again i would say it is very early to say anything and for me the historical top boys all have a chance.It's not about relying so early and everyone has to go through certain tough ones.Like i always say,winning the league is hardest due to the consistency required and who ever shows it will win.


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@mmsu

you wrote that it would be inconceivable if Arsenal weren't in the top 4 by the end of the season.

For me, if Arsenal arent in the top 4 by the end of the season , will Wenger be escorted out? If Arsenal don't win a trophy this season, will Wenger be escorted out? Those two questions are the ones I want to know. If Arsenal lift the EPL trophy then all is well, Wenger is a genious, Arsenal is back. BUT, if Arsenal don't lift that trophy and moreover don't lift any trophy, what happens?


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

I don't think Wenger will or should go

but 7 points behind IS relying on the other team, technically Chelsea could do a 'Invincibles' of their own and not loose a single game till the end of the season, in that way, it is not in Arsenals own hands, which a dangerous way to play the title race


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

:) @ccahill

I don't think he will or should go either, but the question is, will the arsenal fan faithful. I read he has a great repoire with the management. Of course, Kroenke is a great owner for Wenger because non of Kroenke's sides in the USA are athletically successful also. Kroenke loves the management of money with sports clubs. If he has 20 seasons without winning but makes profits he could care less. So, wenger has the right owner for his mentality. In that sense, i think wenger could never coach for another top side. And, would beg to stay at Arsenal. Where else would his fiscal responsibility views and his management ways with players really be accepted. to show you how much kroenke loves Wenger, in the NBA, the top basketball league in the USA, the denver nuggets have become an arsenal. meaning the team has no top money players. No championship level players. Good players, good width, but they can never win. That to me showed Wenger's influence on Kroenke.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

How on earth do you know all this about club owners :p


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@CCahill,

I moonlight as a billionaire:)

In the USA owners of big sports clubs are well known and to be blunt, many of them , like Kroenke, involve themselves in many issues concerning governance and society in general so it leads to more inquiry about their ownerships. Kroenke is very outspoken on issues of society , en barred.


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

@Rich

It's quite lethargic,that is your logic i am talking about.You often miss out completing facts when portraying things.Let me explain you few things quite clearly.

Firstly Kroenke's investments in Major League teams and the Basketball team's has nothing to do with Wenger's influence or another stuff.It's quite laughable that you say that.Kroenke has been owner of those teams since 2002,way-back and he has been always like that.He has a master's degree in administration and one understands as to why.He bought those clubs at that time not only to make money but saw the potential too.He also improved the success of one of those teams.Overall his role in that side is completely different to soccer as is the approach.It's a totally different game altogether.

Talking about his role at Arsenal,Wenger has been there for sixteen years and Kroenke has taken over just two years back.He has provided the money for Arsenal as well as supported Wenger's way with which no-body has problems.The same style of philosophy and taking the club forward has Won Wenger so many trophies to date.Okay if he has not won anything in the recent years.Wenger has a direction,a purpose a clear way of moving the club forward and playing football and he is very successful.When you say if he goes twenty seasons without winning a trophy he would care less is non sense.We all know Wenger and he his more hungry than ever.

When you say top paid men,dude get real.It;snot always about top money.Arsenal have had world class players even after they had won their last trophy seven years back.Look at the current team alone.Wenger has always had world class players regardless of how much they get paid and that is not the reason for not winning.

As for seven points behind and playing catch-up,guys get realistic.It's too early to say that.CCahill saying technically if Chelsea was to go invincible is like 1 out of ten possibility thing.The fact is in the difficult fixtures the chances are always 50/50 and Arsenal has been through some of those games and when the others will we will get to know more.also,obviously in a league there are ups and downs throughout and not every team can stay together as in the competing ones,the difficult matches come at different times and the situations are different.The thing is consistency at the end of 38 matches.At this stage no point of reliance.

As for Arsenal not wining and not finishing in the top4,will Wenger go?

MY answer is firstly Arsenal will finish in the top4 and secondly not every team can win the championship or other trophies and if somehow Arsenal does not win again,it's even pointless to ask will he go or not.This is because he will be judged on the fact that how the team competed throughout the season,the team's performances and whether the the signs are good moving forward.There is no point in sacking a manger if he tried his best and the signs are good,cause at the end there is only one team who can win a trophy not 4 teams.There are other reasons for not winning a trophy than simply a manager and when Arsenal has not been winning we never wanted Wenger out because we know what he is doing is right.In Arsene We Trust!


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@mmsu

Kroenke doesn't own any baseball clubs. His basketball club the nuggets, has changed in recent seasons in terms of its roster tactics and it mirrors in my view Wenger's influence. I don't think you are as familiar with kroenke's usa operations as I am.

As for profitability, he owns a set of sports teams in basketball, hockey, lacrosse, and usa side soccer, that is part of his sports network. That is where he gets his profitability in. today, media is all about content, even if it isn't the best, Kroenke comprehends the power of content. That is where he gets his money. It is no different than the yes network or MSG network that shows all the knicks and rangers games [knicks of the nba and rangers of nhl] But I wasn't speaking of his profitability but the athletic product.

All I have to respond to you is,

The Kings of London :)

@CCahill

did you read his last statement, Arsene we trust :) I think me and mmsu are those two guys that can't meet in the bar because everyone else knows the battle is coming.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

all i noticed was he dismissed the possibility of Chelsea ever going on an 'invincible' run, i wouldn't be so sure that an English team won't strike a great team cohesion at some point and establish themselves as the true leaders of the pack, just as Man United did for most of the 90's and then Arsenal early 00's and Chelsea then Man United again..


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

@Rich

Sorry must have written Baseball by mistake,however You should read the answer carefully as i have suggested to you many times.Your logic is quite laughable at times.Again same non-sense.Kroenke has been doing these things since 2002 and trust me his style has been always the same.That has nothing to do with his approach after Wenger "combination".Hahahahahaha!!.A completely different thing altogether.The management under him,the coaches everything is so different.And of course he does not have another Wenger there.Also his mentality has been the same ever since.No point in comparing them.As for his Arsenal approach,Wenger is the main man and the same policies has brought us success and failure alike.So that is not an issue.

Kings of London,last year we finished above you in the league,where did you finish 6th?If i'm right.Fine you won the trophies but again if you want to go back in history,Arsenal has been the dominant club in London always and you very well know that.Chelsea won their first league title after 50 years in 2004 and i am guessing after that you became their fan=P.Hahahahah!!.So let's see what happens in this Epl and then talking about present would be the right way:)

Look the thing is in every general discussion uptil now,as in regarding Arsenal,Tottenham i have trumped you in logic and the things i have been saying happen.This is because you just say things without actually thinking much,which everyone can see.

Look we still have the top4 bet to see out till the end and let's see who wins it and then i would love to see your face=P.

@CCahill

My last statement makes a lot of sense.Supporters of a club like Chelsea where managers change like anything will not understand it=P,however i am sure you do!As for the battle i have already asked CCahill to screen shot the bet made at the start.As for your invincible thing my point is it will not happen at this moment.The possibility is very low and you know that.

I'll tell you something interesting,you know yesterday i was watching a show featuring Graeme Souness,Tony Adams,Jamie Rednapp and one more.They were talking about the dependency on other teams and they all said the same thing that it is too early to say such things.so my point was only that.OF course anything can happen in the Epl.


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@mmsu

I disagree, the nuggets change last season was unlike anything they had done in the past. I disagree.

Usurpers always come but in the end, the crown is for the Kings.

To be fair, I loved Drogba at Marseille, I am a big fan of French Soccer. I loved Henry so I had no ill words for Arsenal when they got him. Though, I wasn't a fan of Wenger, even at Monaco.

I can fortune tell for you, I will be smiling as chelsea are on top and Arsenal are out of the top 4:)


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Oh anything can happen alright, it just won't be happening to Arsenal ;)

Anything will be happening between Chelsea Man City and Man United


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

@Rich

Hahahahaha just love it!!Would be really fun to see you emabarassed and look like a fool when Arsenal finish in the top 4.!!..and you know deep inside that will happen.You're being too dumb right now to realize that!!

As you said the crown is for kings and we will see:)Whether you are a fan of Wenger or not is your problem.I had a doubt by the way because you always are the one who inclines towards the things without logic=P.

By the way Get real mate=p!!Hahaahah!


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

@CCahill

It's way early to say anything.However one thing is for sure all four teams will be in the top four.However only one team will be winning it,so even although being in the top 4 will get Cl football,there will be no value in finishing runners up:)And i will say it again just don't predict anything so early especially about the title:),trust me!


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

My Prediction

1. Chelsea

1. Man United

3. Man City

4. Arsenal

5. Everton

6. Spurs


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

I would not say anything too early,but you know my top 4!:)


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Haha aaah cmon, make your october predictions ;)


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@CCahill,

call him out!!! call him out:)

Interestingly, the placement of the international breaks is very hard on the top teams like the manchesters, and chelsea.

Chelsea is littered with people busy during international break as well as the manchesters.

Hopefully no bad breaks will occur and force fitness changes. The international breaks have really broken up the league season and stirred inconssitency


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

@CCahill

No use in making October predictions.It's a league based over 38 games and we are not even ten games in to it:).

Anyway apart from that,yes the international break drives in-consistency but this time the schedule has been a bit better.International break for Arsenal has been quite un-lucky recently especially in OCtober and it strikes again as Walcott gets injured.Arsenal's complete first team have been in action along with some subs too and i hope everything remains good in the next week especially since the previously injured ones are returning.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Ah your beginning to sound like Wenger :)

Arsenal will be fine without Theo, put Gervihno on the right and podolski on the left, no issue.

Will indeed be nice to see the injured men make their comeback.

Well its enough games to give a strong indication how the teams are shaping up, i myself agree that its not a sprint, its a marathon but even at the beginning of Marathons, you often can tell who will win it but their form, positioning and technique..


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@CCahill,

Arsenal have proven they don't want Walcott. Podolski and Giroud were brought in but Walcott and Bendtner never even had a real opportunity. That to me was the real telling sign to Walcott.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Oh indeed, the departure of RVP really SHOULD have paved the way for Walcott to go CF


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Chelsea now lead Arsenal by 10 points, have the voters of this poll got this one wrong?


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@CCahill,

Arsenal aren't a top 4 side, this is just the blunt truth.

Arsenal is a very popular side but they are in the place of Liverpool and Rangers having to deal with huge popularity but not the successes their fan base craves.


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

Joke of the day by someone mad up there=P.The teams mentioned are way behind:),Liverpool...hahahaaha not even a comparison!!The.Must be talking about his own league:).As for top 4 the bet is on and we will see:)


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@mmsu:)

what happened though against Norwich, thoughts from a gunner?


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

The top 4 bet is still on but how are you feeling about previous claims that Arsenal will finish 1st?


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mmsu 4 years ago from Pakistan

I always comment way i see them and they are.

Arsenal were very very below par against Norwich,and they deserved what they got.I felt they were sluggish and the international break seemed to have affected them,however which is no excuse.These are matches that we should be winning to stand any chance of competing for the title and i am sorry but that was a poor performance from a team who uptil now had no problems in scoring.They just were not up for it on the day.

As for the title very realistically speaking it is still very early,however Arsenal's chances are getting slimmer by the day and especially if the performance from last weekend is taken in to account.However they now can not afford to drop any sort of those points to have chance of achieving anything.

This week will be interesting though,with United and Chelsea involved and it will give us a bit more idea.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Which result do you think would be more beneficial for Arsenal? would you prefer Chelsea dropping points so that Arsenal could still gun for first place.. or would you prefer united to drop points, so that the odds of a top 4 finish would increase?


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@mmsu

why shouldn't the international break be an excuse? I think you underestimate the challenges of players in top sides who have international duty. It is hard, going from a system you see most of the year to one just for small parts of the year. And, if you have top competition , they demand you play high intensity all the time. Sometimes players have injuries knocks or are just in a lull.

I would even say, look at Torres. He has started every game, when will Sturridge get a start.

@CCahill

Arsenal will want a draw. Arsenal can't want a Chelsea win. A Manchester united win would aid them both ways, in reaching a title and getting top four and in stymying the airs of a local rival:)

The funny thing is that Shaktar is actually a harder team than MAn United in terms of midfield pressure and defense. Gallas made two assists in that match and part of that was his lack of speed. Oscar, Mata, Hazard, when they start running and interchanging will be a challenge for Rio.

I love Rio, don't get me wrong, but pace is pace and even Braga showed man united's defensive speed isn't top. And, I don't think Man United can give 85 minutes of total pressure about the pitch like the quite young Shaktar did.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

A Manchester United win tomorrow will open the race for the title wide open again, a win for Chelsea will see them breakaway from the pack


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Manchester United received a little luck to help blow the title race wide open again, with Chelsea and the two Manchester Clubs looking like the main contenders, will it turn into the usual 2 horse race at some point? if so which 2?


Richard-Murray 4 years ago

@CCahill,

I think it is three all the way. If RVP gets injured man united are out. IF Man City fire mancini and have any more roster changes, man city are out. Chelsea in my view can't be derailed. we are playing the best of all the top clubs. our goals come from all over the pitch, the players like the system. Our depth is about to be checked, if our depth doesn't pan out we are out, but I don't think our depth will fail. Moses, and Marin and Bertrand are hungry.

LAst season should have been that way but cheslea was going thouhg a fiscal issue.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

theres a new leader in the race for the EPL title as Manchester United go top!


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Defending Champions Manchester City go top for the first time this season as we near the 1/3rd mark of the EPL


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Manchester United regain control of the EPL, going top after their victory over last place QPR and astonishingly, West Brom move up to third place, with over a third of EPL games played.


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CCahill 4 years ago from England Author

Manchester United regain control of the EPL, going top after their victory over last place QPR and astonishingly, West Brom move up to third place, with over a third of EPL games played.


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

Manchester United extend their lead to 6 points ahead of their bitter rivals and neighbors Man City and 10 points on Chelsea.


Richard-Murray 3 years ago

half a season is a long way, Man United are being touted as a great side and against reading and man city leaked goals, that could have made the matches two losses, man united may win the epl and definitely have the statistical edge but until they can get a sequence of clean sheets i think man city and chelsea still have a chance with a half season left to play


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

Yep very true BUT i think what needs to be appreciated about United is that it is an attack based squad with positive strategy, it is naturally gonna leak goals as well as create them, rather win and loose games than draw them 0 - 0, a draw is 2 points lost, 3/3 draws are as bad as 1/3 wins

Manchester united have drawn 0 games

Man City 6

Chelsea 5

Everton 8


Richard-Murray 3 years ago

That is an excellent strategic point, CCahill

ManU haven't drawn. that is good trivia, has a team ever gone the whole season and never drawn, win or lost, but never drawn?

Can ManU go through the second half of the season and win straight through? if they are a win or lose team they can't afford a sequence of losses.


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

Yeah exactly! would be pretty interesting to see if this is a pattern many Title winning teams go through, Liverpool drew a shit load of their games this and last season and just look where it got them, mathmatically drawing is only 2 points split between the teams, yet a win/loss is 3, so that's losing 33% of points by drawing, a team that went unbeaten and drew 38/38 games, would still run the risk of getting relegated.

QPR have actually drawn 7 games this season and they are easily bottom place.


Richard-Murray 3 years ago

@CCahill

you mean 66% of points lost by drawing. But can manu win the rest of their games this season. If Manu only lose three the next half, that is nine points. and lets be honest, with the UEFA CL games, manu will have tough weeks, with their porous defense to get late winners. ManU are called the red devils, they are playing with fire.


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

hmmph true, the other teams in the EPL wont have the added distraction of the ECL, we have by far enough squad depth everywhere except at the back to juggle competitions


Richard-Murray 3 years ago

:) don't hmmph me:)

I am certain Manu will be up there. I think what is interesting is that Manchester Red while laughing at the damned, it is interesting how meyerside red and london red have faltered. and how manchester blue have maintained. i think what is interesting is that liverpool and arsenal both started a long fall down after big events , for liverpool it was the UEFA CL win. For Arsenal it was the end of the Henry era.


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

A few anticipated the same post Cristiano Ronaldo


Richard-Murray 3 years ago

manu in the Premier league era has always kept depth in the squad, something Liverpool was inable to do and something arsenal has turned away from. Liverpool is trying to become a deeper squad again, and Arsenal's faith in youth development hasn't worked out the way they hoped.


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

New poll added


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

Gap at the top reduced to 5 points, QPR remain bottom of the table but in much better health


Richard-Murray 3 years ago

@CCahill

I told people last year, manu will drop points, no team in the world who can leak goals like manu can evade dropping points a whole season. Manu are surely reachable and the matches against real madrid will not help their cause. Real is not basel, they have to be ready for 90 minutes of running their top team or risk a blow out. And, if they do that the matches before and after with the age and quality of their backline will be ripe opportunities.

I said QPR would be underrated, they will escape relegation, it is not as hard as it seems.


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TheKemist 3 years ago

I reckon it is going to be Manchester United, but I would like to see Liverpool come back to their old form, it would be nice to have them in the mix.


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

Manchester United go 9 Points clear thanks to Rivals Liverpool, who very nearly stole all 3 points from Manchester City


Richard-Murray 3 years ago

@CCahill

reds helping reds:)

manu have the edge but the real test is coming up. How manu handle the matchses in and around real and concerning the FA cup will decide whether the race picks up or it is inevitably a devilish year:)


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

How much of a distraction will the Champions League be eh? Hopefully none, like 99


Richard-Murray 3 years ago

ManU was better in 99 than they are now.


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

Yeah, i wanted to disagree but then

Schmeichel - De Gea

Neville - Rafael

Giggs - Young

Scholes + Keane - All

Beckham - Valencia

The Chemistry of the Strikers THEN - Now


Richard-Murray 3 years ago

And to be honest, the difference is the defensive grit of the team I think they all were far more honest toward defensive mindedness, starting with Schmeichel but continuing through neville and keane. I think the problem is the nature of some of the strikers. RVP makes many of his goals running without the ball and getting a one touch the same with Chicarito, with rooney dropping deep, manu really dont have a great dribbler for a striker so it changes manu's options


Richard-Murray 3 years ago

And to be honest, the difference is the defensive grit of the team I think they all were far more honest toward defensive mindedness, starting with Schmeichel but continuing through neville and keane. I think the problem is the nature of some of the strikers. RVP makes many of his goals running without the ball and getting a one touch the same with Chicarito, with rooney dropping deep, manu really don't have a great dribbler for a striker so it changes manu's options


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

Manchester Uniteds game plan is simple, Rooney drops deeps and either him or Scholes finds a diagonal to Valencia, Valencia will beat his man and drill a low cross in for RVP to peel off one of his defenders and side foot in


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

Manchester Uniteds lead now 12 points, is THIS truelly unassailable now?

Spurs are pipping Arsenal to the final Champions League position, are the whites now bigger than their bitter rivals?


Richard-Murray 3 years ago

@CCahill

no lead is ever unassailable until it statistically is. ManU should lift the EPL trophy, that is fact, and the odds are in their favor. Only a collapse can lose the trophy for manu. But, until it isn't possible, it is, plain and simple.

This word bigger is a dangerous word in modern sports club ownership. Atletico madrid is second in La Liga, they aren't bigger than real madrid, fiscally, popularly. Napoli is second in la liga but are smaller than inter milan and ac milan, fiscally, popularly.

NOW, athletically, smaller fiscal or popular clubs can do this. Dortmund throughout its history has done this countless times in the bundesliga. MLS with columbus crew and real salt lake's runs are prime example.

I think athletically, spurs are in the ascendency. Now, will they ever be more profitable or popular than arsenal, not in the near term. The proof of that is Chelsea. Chelsea has equalled ManU with the number of trophies and arsenal is still the regional king in london. Liverpool is fiscally and popularly bigger than Everton, yet Everton has been the meyerside king for a while, athletically.


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adambarker97 3 years ago

This one is over now, Man u wont lose it from such a strong position this year!


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

QPR's team sheet may not look like a team that is due to be relegated but after their loss this weekend, is the dream of survival over?


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adambarker97 3 years ago

All the teams at the bottom have showed recent signs of a revival, except my team, Sunderland.


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

i'm afraid its custom made, i can help you if you need any advice tho


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bbgolfer 3 years ago

There is no doubt that Man.UTD will be the winner specially after the big loss of Man City against the Spurs


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

League Standings updated for Gameweek 34 and the question has been Answered


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internpete 3 years ago from At the Beach in Florida

United certainly took control of this season, ensuring no goal difference would keep them from the title!


Richard-Murray 3 years ago

Congrats CCahill:)

Next season the Kings of London will return


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

You guys could have had it this season if Roman didn't stick his big nose into affairs


Richard-Murray 3 years ago

@CCAhill

your right, i think roman is to blame for chelsea's slide in not having faith in rdm. the sad thing is, for all his medling, if we win the europa league then we are still tied with manchester united in the roman era for trophies. which is amazing consideing you won all yours under saf and we have had a constant change in management


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

heh yeah it would be a shame to vindicate his ruthless procedures, well i was wrong anyway because i predicted Chelsea would win it here at pre-season and it looked to be coming true initially


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bbgolfer 3 years ago

It's over, Man U is the winner for the 20th time... congrats


Richard-Murray 3 years ago

CCAhill,

that is the reason why i tell my fellow pensioners to calm down. Ad, oddly enough, if chelsea had a different wind we would have actually won more trophies than manu. But, we haven't won one of the trophies we were in a final to win. I must ask, do the red devils really make deals?:) Chelsea still have to win matches this season to guarantee top 4 but I am more interested in the summer. I know roman has an idea, but if this season is any indication, if chelsea can start the next season like we did this one and just keep pace, things will be different. What changes will manu make in the summer?


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CCahill 3 years ago from England Author

United should offload Nani to buy Bale and or Falcao, i expect 1 big signing from Man united still this summer, City must react and Chelsea hmm i expect them to sign 1 world class striker, despite having Romelu return

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