well its like my father used to say, in a street fight there's only one way to win....that's to fight dirty. pick up a blunt object and beat tar out of him. beat him up when he ain't looking. none of this queen berry rules stuff. and if he's wearing a lot of piercings...oh nelly, is he going to be in a lot of pain, as you can just rip an earing off to make him stop and cringe. then while he's cringing you beat him up some more. everytime he's about to hit back, just keep ripping off another earing to keep him down while you beat him up.
Meaning, style is not as important in a barfight as constant, evasive movement and effective striking. This can be found in many styles.
One's focus in a barfight should be to get out of that bar, quite frankly. To intentionally stay in a crowded bar fighting is just an invitation to be attacked in greater numbers-especially when alcohol and egos mix together.
Evasion and striking in and of themselves are part of most styles.
I actually view krav maga or other combative systems as more directly evolved from street combat...which is what bar fighting falls under the category of, though ultimate fighting is close.
The main difference I see between combatives (like krav) and ultimate fighting is the training focus. Combatives train to develop many of the same attributes as ultimate fighting, but rules in competition forbid certain types of techniques. I believe that when one trains to hold back from doing certain techniques or to stop short of maiming or killing, superior technique may not matter against an adversary who seeks to do you in.
I do say that one should not train to stop at certain techniques when training for real combat.
All those techniques considered illegal in MMA (headbutts, biting, gouging, small joint manipulation, etc) are techniques that one does well to incorporate reflexively into a self-defense arsenal, as they can often end a confrontation. MMA trains against these techniques in lieu of techniques that are aimed most specifically at winning matches.
I agree, which is my main criticism of "ultimate fighting" as self defense tool. While I defeinitely appreciate the focus in MMA on technique and contact, the way in which it trains many reflexes can be dangerous when in street confrontations.
I can dig that on one level, but still not a smart thing to do.
The scenario you cite presumes that only one person is armed in that bar. If one is carrying, odds are that others there are too. If more than one are strapped, they will most likely draw down on the threat, regardless to whom the original shooter was aiming at.
If it remains at fisticuffs, everybody at least has a fighting chance.
Wyan: it was making a "crunchy" sound when ya were chawin' on it! lol What I really got a kick outa, was after ya spit it in his face, ya took his bottle a beer away from him, took a big swig, swished it around in yer mouth and spit the blood and Beer on him while he was writhing on the floor! I told my g/f: "that's a bad ass bitch!" Remember HONEY!..I'm a lover not a fighter! She leaned over and kissed me on my ear...whew!!! lol
No, as he explains it, he had a death wish and was also an alcoholic. He has been recovered now for about 20 years. He stopped fighting and got treatment for his addiction after hurting someone very badly in a fight.
Maybe, but the interesting thing is, when I met his son for the first time, I told him I was planning on writing a book about his father's life, and asked him about the fighting. I wanted to know if he knew about it when he was growing up, and get his perspective on how often the fights happened. His son's estimate was higher.
So, yeah, it sounds like a lot, but it went on for over ten years, and he would intentionally pick fights.
all out crazy might be a good way to keep the mob away from you, or a good survival tactic in a prison riot, but it won't help you win if winning is the regaining of control of the situation, or the single combat of yourself and one or two other combatants.
Yes I have verifiable references from my time as a bouncer. Including the references of several Biker clubs.
If you can put a grown man over your knee and give him ten of the best in front of a room full of other people he'll be transported straight back to his childhood, reduced to tears, will most likely run off crying for his mammy, and will leave town the next day never to be heard of again.
Buy a cheap 25 cal. gun. Keep it in your pocket...(unloaded of course). When some jerk messes with you. Jump on him...drop the gun while shouting,"HE HAS GUN!" He gets the s**t beat out of him by bouncers and other guys...goes to jail. You become hero...get free drinks and maybe sex!
well I've been in a couple of bar fights in my life time a pool stick came in real handy on one occasion while a beer bottle to the face did the job on another,all I can say is stick and move...stick and move..and be very creative.
If you're in a bar and for some reason, some moron wants to start a fight, it's best to walk away from the individual. Do so, with the understanding that the person who wants to fight has something to prove to themselves or others, for which, you are not obligated to participate.
On another note, there is absolutely no sane or rationalized reason for engaging in violence with someone who has been drinking alcohol.
Thus, be the bigger person and simply dismiss the individual. Should this person still attack you, then best to simply defend yourself, and there is no best style of defense. Your simple objective would be to incapacitate the individual for a few minutes, so they'll second guess, whether or not, they really want to continue.
I've seen lots of well-meaning (or simply frightened) people in bars (or out behind them) trying to 'be the bigger person' and get the bigger beat down for it. Angry, aggressive drunks take signs of weakness as the green light to show off for their X-trash friends, and/or vent whatever the hell emotional or impulse control problem they happen to have secure in the knowledge that they probably have an easy mark on their hands.
I agree that you should try to stay out of a fight in the first place, but if you do find yourself in a fight there are a few things you can do to improve your chances of not going to the hospital. First of all, it isn't a boxing match. You aren't going to be able to maneuver around the room waiting for the right moment. Chances are you'll have 5-10 seconds and the whole thing will be over and a mass of people will be on both of you. You should take the opposite stance that you would in a boxing match. If you're right handed, that means right foot forward. Jab with your strong arm. Forget about your fantasy of knocking the other guy out with a monster hook from your strong arm. Chances are you won't have the room to pull this off. By keeping your strong arm in front you'll be able to jab with precision and neutralize his ability to attack. Also, stay close to your opponent. This will take away his ability to throw a big punch. If he decides to take a tradition boxing stance, he'll be fighting your strong arm jab with his weak arm jabs.
I hate to admit I know this, but a good technique is to throw a wild punch like an amateur and miss then come back with the elbow. Hard to miss coming back. A fist with the middle finger locked out to the solar plexus is very effective too. A kick with the side of your shoe soul to the front of the lower leg creates heaps of pain. I am in a good mood, so that is all I can think of!
I ran a series of motorcycle shops for many years, and have met a few bikie club members who don't back off to easy.
A lump of 4x2 and an automatic shotgun even quietens down the real bad guys though.
I am for anything that can be done to avoid violence, but some people just need a little tap on the side of the head with a little bit of 4x2, say about 3 ft long before they back off. Been there done that.
I recommend teaching kids my best trick. "Don't be there when it happens." If you are alert you can usually see when it's time to go home.
Nobody should ever, ever, ever, fight or use violence in any way - but when you do a good plan that has worked for me too many times in my earlier and badder days is to lean a little back, drop your hands to your side open like 'whassup!' while taking a step forward and break his nose with a head butt.
You can't really say. Circumstances dictate what will be the best course of action, not any preconcieved notion. The chances of ending up in a situation where jujutsu will come in handy are pretty high regardless of what you do or do not want. Flexibility and a wide range of skills come in handy but experience most of all. Good hands, good takedowns, positional control, and the ability to transition and be aware of the a-hole coming up on your blind side are all important. Doesn't hurt to have a good group of friends at your back either. Of course 'don't get into fights' is nice to say, but then this discussion is meaningless.
Best style for bar fight = offer to buy the dude a beer and try to engage a conversation, perhaps he just had a bad day?. Then as he takes a sip of his nicely chilled beer give him a running kick fck slap!!!!....lmao. Just KIDDING!.. Seriously if you can bait the guy into talking about then apologize and leave, find another watering hole. Problem is often when the guys are drunk if they see you walking away they mistake that as a sign of weakness and assume that you are scared so they MIGHT start taunting you even more and maybe even try sucker punch you so just make sure then whilst u are walking away remain aware of whats going on around you, make sure there is a clear path to the exit. If the "attacker" is blocking the exit and you try force your way past then it's going to get ugly. Ask him politely to please get out of your way bcos you would like to leave as you have not intention of fighting..
Sometimes your body language and attitude can say more than your words. I have often been in a confrontation situation were I talked my way out of it by apologizing and making it clear that I don't want to fight. It's important to note that when u do apologize and say you don't want to fight...do so in a firm voice and look the person straight in the eye and keep a straight face. This give the person the indication that you are backing down because you don't want fight and NOT BECAUSE you are scared. I remember the one time when they guy didn't back down and said to me "just because you don't want to fight doesn't mean I'm not going to f*ck you up" I turned to him and said once again very firmly. "Make No mistake, if I am attacked I will defend myself, from a legal point of view I would be acting within my rights,irrespective of the outcome" HAHAHAH you should have seen the look on his face.... it was priceless. He was obviously thinking, "why is this dude concerned about the legal ramifications.....what does he intent on doing to me?" hahahaah I loved it... I causally walked away, went around the corned and almost collapsed with laughter...
Usually there will be a bouncer or security person, or someone on staff who's job it is to prevent fights from breaking out. Let them do their job, that's what they get paid for. There is no need to prove your masculinity to some drunk in a bar, its almost never worth it. Bar fights are the most stupid fights and a real warrior will not even be phased in the least bit. Your composure and quick thinking is usually enough avoid the fight altogether in a variety of creative ways.
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