well its like my father used to say, in a street fight there's only one way to win....that's to fight dirty. pick up a blunt object and beat tar out of him. beat him up when he ain't looking. none of this queen berry rules stuff. and if he's wearing a lot of piercings...oh nelly, is he going to be in a lot of pain, as you can just rip an earing off to make him stop and cringe. then while he's cringing you beat him up some more. everytime he's about to hit back, just keep ripping off another earing to keep him down while you beat him up.
Why would you get in a bar fight?
2 drunks fighting!
What's wrong with that picture?
Tch , tch !
Not really a fighting style. A magic blend of urban free running, improvisational weapons training, unarmed hand to hand combat, and gymnastics...Jackie Chan style
Licorice Whips! If you mean it, then go ahead and swing it!
No style is "best".
Meaning, style is not as important in a barfight as constant, evasive movement and effective striking. This can be found in many styles.
One's focus in a barfight should be to get out of that bar, quite frankly. To intentionally stay in a crowded bar fighting is just an invitation to be attacked in greater numbers-especially when alcohol and egos mix together.
Cage or ultimate fighting is the most developed form of 'Bar Fighting' imho
Evasion and striking in and of themselves are part of most styles.
I actually view krav maga or other combative systems as more directly evolved from street combat...which is what bar fighting falls under the category of, though ultimate fighting is close.
The main difference I see between combatives (like krav) and ultimate fighting is the training focus. Combatives train to develop many of the same attributes as ultimate fighting, but rules in competition forbid certain types of techniques. I believe that when one trains to hold back from doing certain techniques or to stop short of maiming or killing, superior technique may not matter against an adversary who seeks to do you in.
so your saying one must kill during training in order to be a good fighter...
should people also practice bleeding in order to be better at bleeding?
No...not at all.
I do say that one should not train to stop at certain techniques when training for real combat.
All those techniques considered illegal in MMA (headbutts, biting, gouging, small joint manipulation, etc) are techniques that one does well to incorporate reflexively into a self-defense arsenal, as they can often end a confrontation. MMA trains against these techniques in lieu of techniques that are aimed most specifically at winning matches.
I disagree about MMA and cage fighting - this style of fighting is designed for a sport with specific rules and parameters, a referee etc. Take a look at this article - http://www.street-fighting-techniques.i … he-street/
I don't know what bar fights y'all have been in but I ain't going into any bar without a pistol!
Beg to differ on guns in bars. In a mob/brawl situation, control and retention of one's weapon is very difficult and can become a dangerous liability.
Most states prohibit firearms in any establishment where liquor is served, even with concealed carry permits.
You're right about the laws but you ever been in a bar fight and heard a gun go off? I have, and nobody was real interested in taking that weapon from him!
I can dig that on one level, but still not a smart thing to do.
The scenario you cite presumes that only one person is armed in that bar. If one is carrying, odds are that others there are too. If more than one are strapped, they will most likely draw down on the threat, regardless to whom the original shooter was aiming at.
If it remains at fisticuffs, everybody at least has a fighting chance.
Personally I think it depends what bar your at. If it's a bunch of college punks, I'd say grappling cause there'll be a bunch of hair pulling and rolling around on the ground. LOL
Best style for a barrom fight?
Don't say a word!
Stare at the asshole, open yer eyes wide..and..SCREAM!!
jump on the SOB, pull his head close and bite a phucking ear off!
..chew the damned thing up and spit the blood and raw meat into his mutha phuckin'face!!
This'll let him know how serious y'are when ya gotta fight!
Step back and call 919. Tell 'em that a crazy SOB bit this guys ear off and he's bleeding all over the friggin barroom floor!!!
Then grab yer boyfriends hand and head for another bar for a cold beer!
you saw me do that, didn't you?
I didn't think anybody at that bar knew me...
lolol...I know who I'm takin' drinkin' again with me next time!
Bye the way, what does raw ear taste like? :-)
Raw ear? Makes a funny sound when you chew it.
The other guy can't hear it though....
it was making a "crunchy" sound when ya were chawin' on it! lol
What I really got a kick outa, was after ya spit it in his face, ya took his bottle a beer away from him, took a big swig, swished it around in yer mouth and spit the blood and Beer on him while he was writhing on the floor!
I told my g/f: "that's a bad ass bitch!" Remember HONEY!..I'm a lover not a fighter! She leaned over and kissed me on my ear...whew!!! lol
The best 'style' for a bar fight is having been in a bar fight before.
I have found that slapping with a napkin is ineffective. Next time I will soak it in water!
Recently I've taken to placing bets on the combatants, in a stylish way or course. By the time the fight breaks out I'm usually too absorbed in my drinking to get involved in the physical stuff.
I'll be waving to ya from a table in the far corner. But I will get the waiter to bring you over a beer!
Steven Segal - that bar fight with the Chin mob - pool ques etc
Sab - has he got that bad - did not see him on TV recently
When provoked to the point of action, the bar stool used at precisely the right moment, in a manner different from its design, will quickly end any altercation.
I usually consider it over and won if I don’t spill my scotch.
Anyone here actually been in a bar fight?
I haven't but I know someone who has been in close to 300 of them and his serious answer to this question is "all-out crazy."
Been in my share. I take it your friend is a bouncer?
No, as he explains it, he had a death wish and was also an alcoholic. He has been recovered now for about 20 years. He stopped fighting and got treatment for his addiction after hurting someone very badly in a fight.
Maybe, but the interesting thing is, when I met his son for the first time, I told him I was planning on writing a book about his father's life, and asked him about the fighting. I wanted to know if he knew about it when he was growing up, and get his perspective on how often the fights happened. His son's estimate was higher.
So, yeah, it sounds like a lot, but it went on for over ten years, and he would intentionally pick fights.
all out crazy might be a good way to keep the mob away from you, or a good survival tactic in a prison riot, but it won't help you win if winning is the regaining of control of the situation, or the single combat of yourself and one or two other combatants.
Yes I have verifiable references from my time as a bouncer. Including the references of several Biker clubs.
I took Muay Thai for 6 years so I would just fall back on my practice.
If you can put a grown man over your knee and give him ten of the best in front of a room full of other people he'll be transported straight back to his childhood, reduced to tears, will most likely run off crying for his mammy, and will leave town the next day never to be heard of again.
Buy a cheap 25 cal. gun. Keep it in your pocket...(unloaded of course). When some jerk messes with you. Jump on him...drop the gun while shouting,"HE HAS GUN!"
He gets the s**t beat out of him by bouncers and other guys...goes to jail.
You become hero...get free drinks and maybe sex!
well I've been in a couple of bar fights in my life time a pool stick came in real handy on one occasion while a beer bottle to the face did the job on another,all I can say is stick and move...stick and move..and be very creative.
the whole smooth criminal video.
Be stylish with your bar fight and then break down in some mean in sync choreo.
I'll disagree with the ideology of fighting.
If you're in a bar and for some reason, some moron wants to start a fight, it's best to walk away from the individual. Do so, with the understanding that the person who wants to fight has something to prove to themselves or others, for which, you are not obligated to participate.
On another note, there is absolutely no sane or rationalized reason for engaging in violence with someone who has been drinking alcohol.
Thus, be the bigger person and simply dismiss the individual. Should this person still attack you, then best to simply defend yourself, and there is no best style of defense. Your simple objective would be to incapacitate the individual for a few minutes, so they'll second guess, whether or not, they really want to continue.
Just a thought.
I've seen lots of well-meaning (or simply frightened) people in bars (or out behind them) trying to 'be the bigger person' and get the bigger beat down for it. Angry, aggressive drunks take signs of weakness as the green light to show off for their X-trash friends, and/or vent whatever the hell emotional or impulse control problem they happen to have secure in the knowledge that they probably have an easy mark on their hands.
My friend says:
I tell my potential attacker that I am certified as a "Black Belt" in Brazilain Ju Jitsu....then I run!....but with great confidence! :-)
I agree that you should try to stay out of a fight in the first place, but if you do find yourself in a fight there are a few things you can do to improve your chances of not going to the hospital. First of all, it isn't a boxing match. You aren't going to be able to maneuver around the room waiting for the right moment. Chances are you'll have 5-10 seconds and the whole thing will be over and a mass of people will be on both of you. You should take the opposite stance that you would in a boxing match. If you're right handed, that means right foot forward. Jab with your strong arm. Forget about your fantasy of knocking the other guy out with a monster hook from your strong arm. Chances are you won't have the room to pull this off. By keeping your strong arm in front you'll be able to jab with precision and neutralize his ability to attack. Also, stay close to your opponent. This will take away his ability to throw a big punch. If he decides to take a tradition boxing stance, he'll be fighting your strong arm jab with his weak arm jabs.
Wait outside the bar by the front and cold cock him as he steps out. This is how I lost my 2 front teeth in 1972 on an American base in Germany.
Ok Sophs you and me will show them how it is done.
(BP whispers in Sophs ear...."Um how strong are you exactly".
Ahaha let's go! (whispers back, veeerrryyyy strong, I shall go easy on you though aha! :p)
Ooooooo that's it Soph I got to go eat my spinach...
I hate to admit I know this, but a good technique is to throw a wild punch like an amateur and miss then come back with the elbow. Hard to miss coming back.
A fist with the middle finger locked out to the solar plexus is very effective too.
A kick with the side of your shoe soul to the front of the lower leg creates heaps of pain. I am in a good mood, so that is all I can think of!
I find that standing in the corner and weeping like a baby works really well. There are very few men who will hit a grown man when he's crying.
I ran a series of motorcycle shops for many years, and have met a few bikie club members who don't back off to easy.
A lump of 4x2 and an automatic shotgun even quietens down the real bad guys though.
I am for anything that can be done to avoid violence, but some people just need a little tap on the side of the head with a little bit of 4x2, say about 3 ft long before they back off. Been there done that.
I recommend teaching kids my best trick. "Don't be there when it happens." If you are alert you can usually see when it's time to go home.
This is top advice, but I prefer lying on the floor in the foetal position in the corner. This is even more effective if you can whimper. The art is in the whimper I believe.
Nobody should ever, ever, ever, fight or use violence in any way - but when you do a good plan that has worked for me too many times in my earlier and badder days is to lean a little back, drop your hands to your side open like 'whassup!' while taking a step forward and break his nose with a head butt.
For the people that said jiujitsu.. It isn't a good idea to be rolling around on the ground where there is likely lots of glass from the pushing and shoving match that led up to the fight..
You can't really say. Circumstances dictate what will be the best course of action, not any preconcieved notion. The chances of ending up in a situation where jujutsu will come in handy are pretty high regardless of what you do or do not want. Flexibility and a wide range of skills come in handy but experience most of all. Good hands, good takedowns, positional control, and the ability to transition and be aware of the a-hole coming up on your blind side are all important. Doesn't hurt to have a good group of friends at your back either. Of course 'don't get into fights' is nice to say, but then this discussion is meaningless.
A Texan - you never disappoint - how are you brother - hope you are well
Necessity is the Mother of Invention! I'm throwing style out the window in any fight...that I can't get out of by flight first!
in a bar fight you got less than a minute before a bouncer wraps both of you up . so always make your first hit count.
on a more serious note fighting is for kids silly rabbit.
William Marciarelli a student of proffesser Chow developed an organized street fighting style which he calls Kashi.
The art of running is the best style in which you will definetly stay safe. Any other style will 99.9% of the time get you hurt ( in some way or another ).
If there are knives involved, it doesnt mater if you trained in knife combat all your life , you will get cut.
There is no shame in running. EVER!
Abstinence is probably the best policy in this instance. Bar fighting is for goons who can't get laid and need to vent their frustrations in counterproductive ways
Being sober is a huge help, fighting drunk isnt effective. BUT, you gotta drink too, I'd say boxing and bjj, since you're likely to fall over, especially if you're in a fight
Muay Thai with some bjj to keep of the ground. End of discussion
"BEST STYLE FOR A BAR FIGHT?"
Point feet towards door. Proceed.
Avoid having a fight...a bar fight isn't that worth, fighting with drunk people.
Best style for bar fight = offer to buy the dude a beer and try to engage a conversation, perhaps he just had a bad day?. Then as he takes a sip of his nicely chilled beer give him a running kick fck slap!!!!....lmao. Just KIDDING!.. Seriously if you can bait the guy into talking about then apologize and leave, find another watering hole. Problem is often when the guys are drunk if they see you walking away they mistake that as a sign of weakness and assume that you are scared so they MIGHT start taunting you even more and maybe even try sucker punch you so just make sure then whilst u are walking away remain aware of whats going on around you, make sure there is a clear path to the exit. If the "attacker" is blocking the exit and you try force your way past then it's going to get ugly. Ask him politely to please get out of your way bcos you would like to leave as you have not intention of fighting..
Sometimes your body language and attitude can say more than your words. I have often been in a confrontation situation were I talked my way out of it by apologizing and making it clear that I don't want to fight. It's important to note that when u do apologize and say you don't want to fight...do so in a firm voice and look the person straight in the eye and keep a straight face. This give the person the indication that you are backing down because you don't want fight and NOT BECAUSE you are scared. I remember the one time when they guy didn't back down and said to me "just because you don't want to fight doesn't mean I'm not going to f*ck you up" I turned to him and said once again very firmly. "Make No mistake, if I am attacked I will defend myself, from a legal point of view I would be acting within my rights,irrespective of the outcome" HAHAHAH you should have seen the look on his face.... it was priceless. He was obviously thinking, "why is this dude concerned about the legal ramifications.....what does he intent on doing to me?" hahahaah I loved it... I causally walked away, went around the corned and almost collapsed with laughter...
Usually there will be a bouncer or security person, or someone on staff who's job it is to prevent fights from breaking out. Let them do their job, that's what they get paid for. There is no need to prove your masculinity to some drunk in a bar, its almost never worth it. Bar fights are the most stupid fights and a real warrior will not even be phased in the least bit. Your composure and quick thinking is usually enough avoid the fight altogether in a variety of creative ways.
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