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Peace 4 years ago

@To Whom It May Concern:

You've got your own thoughts and I respect that.

Everyone got their own thoughts too, and why shouldn't

we give them the same respect and caring heart too?

Whether people who joined DCHL and failed, as a genuine

and nice human being or upline, the people who brought him to

this opportunity should give him more respect and caring heart,

isn't it?

Whether people who joined DCHL and succeed, we should

give them applaud too, isn't it?

However, there are 2 ways you did used to achieve your MLM goals.

Some would use their geniune HEART to build their business while

some people may use the EVIL or GREEDY side in their heart

to build their business.

Lets put your hand on your heart, and ask which group

are you belong to?

My 2 cent, EVERYONE who is having experience joining DCHL,

is given an opportunity to SEE their HEART clearly, are

you and Angel or Evil?

It is also an opportunity given by the god that you need

to GROW in term of your maturity, mindset and life experience.

I learned a lesson joining DCHL 5 years back, and NOW I'm living

a life that I dream of (freedom of choice and time). I appreciate

the experience I learned, lossing the MONEY is NOT the end of the world,

I learned from it and grow from it! I've never look back to

ANY of MLM or Network Marketing opportunity.

(There is no wrong with this industry, it is just there are

too MANY evils and greedy involved that make people lost themselves,

and their own respect to themselves)

If we can't even respect our own self for what we're doing,

what is the meaning of continue doing it?

I know many leaders and upline QUICK at 1 time,should they

listen closely to their HEART, is this what they want?

(Did these LEADERS told their team they will commit to their team for

the REST of their life and help them succeed?)

Often, THE LEADER ON THE VERY TOP WHO DESIGNED THE WHOLE PLAN,

has the MOST commitment, and responsibility. New people can't

even see it clearly, just follow blindly most of the time isn't it?

So, at certain page, some leaders will choose to leave.

Whether you are starting at DCHL, or quiting, or any MLM opporturnity,

think again, WHEN you STEP in, shouldn't this be a Lifetime career?

There is NO LOOK BACK, you MUST commit to help EVERYONE who you

bring in. You need to have a BIG GIVING HEART or else, you mind

might follow the evils in one day.

I wish you all the best in your career!

Best wishes,

Peace


John 4 years ago

4."My upline only wants me to work so he can get all the benefits"..Truth or fact?

While I think I have answered this quite clearly in my previous point, I wish to point out this obvious fact:-

-Your superior as an employee reserves the right to stop your income by firing you if you fail to do your given work.

-Your upline DOES NOT have the right to stop your income NOR fire you if you fail to build your own business.

I have not seen a case in DCHL where a distributor is forced to do sales for his upline just because he won't have income if he does not. And that's the beauty of this business!

5."My brother lost rm30K+ for investing in a Count position because his upline LIED to him!"... Who is the real liar?

As far as I am concerned, the reason distributors in DCHL invest in the count position is because of the various advantages and perks business-wise one gets when making sales from the said position.Any distributor that has a business mindset will definitely prefer to start their business from a position that allows them to maximise their business timewise and moneywise.

That being said, there is NO rule in DCHL that states a distributor MUST invest for the Count position before they begin their sales.So if there's no such obligation for distributors to do so, why then are so many people still saying DCHL forces it's distributors to invest?

When a "former" distributor starts feeling that their money is "lost" through investing in DCHL, I feel a certain tinge of sadness for them. Not because they "lost" their money, but because they are LYING to themselves.

An example of losing your investment is losing your money on the share market where at the end of the day you lose your shares also as well.On the other hand,when the Count money is invested you gain not only the position but the stocks accordingly.Also as part of DCHL's marketing plan, you never lose your position no matter how fast or slow you build your business.So please explain to me how can the investment be lost?

No offence , but my opinion is people who feel that they start feeling that they are not capable of generating any sales and that suddenly they feel this business is too hard to achieve and be successful in. Yet they blame their uplines/the business/the company/Steven Yeam (I can't stop myself from laughing here) for their failure to make use of the opportunity presented to them. May I ask then who's the real liar?

While I cannot deny it is a human trait to naturally find a scapegoat for anything that goes wrong, I resent people who look at others as the scapegoat instead of themselves.In DCHL's marketing plan, there's no such thing as you losing money in it. Even if you do not manage to make sales after investing, at the very least you get your products as well as (very importantly) the position. So to all the people out there that feel that they got cheated by their uplines, instead of whining and spreading false rumours, why not use those efforts into building up your business again?.

6.In conclusion

As much as I wish to convince you of your huge misconception towards DCHL, I understand you will have many other reasons to believe otherwise.As said at the start of this post, I respect you very much Mr Steven Yip.While I do not expect you to post what I had written as a main blog entry in your blog, at the very least I sincerely and utterly hope you will bring up some of the points I mentioned.While you may still have your doubts and negativity , I do hope that it can be cleared through a proper discussion instead of in a way where neither of both parties stand to benefit.

MLM network marketing business pyramid plan.

Tuesday, May 27, 2008

Steven Yeam did what?

Oh yeah...I almost puked when I saw his face with Winnie Lim again on the front page of The Star. He had used his PR muscle to show to malaysians how "generous" is his SYN network is.

Ever wonder how many lifes have been wrecked by this scam? My mail box is overflowing with ex LB members wanting to get out, or get refund. They are now in deep shit, owning tons of cash.

Actually, I've decided to go on with my life, and not update the blog. But somehow, there will always be people who gets cheated from time to time. And their business is still on going, even though I've had this blog for years.

If you want to get cheated in this money game, you are pleased to do so.

And please, read the articles & comments in this blog to really know what is wrong with this biz.

posted by Steven Yip at 5:35 AM 106 comments

Tuesday, September 04, 2007

Counter Argument by Lampe Berger Member

Francis, who is in DCHL wrote a lengty comment. To be fair, I posted it here:

Dear Steven Yip,

I respect your efforts in trying to bring down DCHL for what you perceive as something that is so evil and baneful to the public.. yet could your hardwork and effort be wasted because of a misconception on what you are against so strongly?

I sincerely hope that you will be rational in reading my opinions on DCHL and the network marketing industry :)

Definition

Network Marketing - Another way of distributing commercial products to the user. It's a business model that combines both direct-selling AND franchising.

1.DCHL

DCHL is a network MARKETING company.Not a network RECRUITING company. No where in the DCHL marketing plan state that the only way to achieve income from this business is by recruiting people.DCHL does not sustain its income purely on recruiting distributors. Independant distributors of DCHL can always make sales by selling the products DCHL has to offer.

To put it simply, an independant distributor with DCHL is like any other salesmen, but with the power to franchise the business opportunity to others. Thus the difference between a door-to-door salesmen and a DCHL distributor is that the distributor can share the business opportunity with others.

So according to your opinions on the distributors, that means door-to-door salesmen make dirty money? and that they do not deserve a single ounce of respect just because all they are doing is trying to get income to support themselves? that they deserve less respect than any beggar on the street who isntead of trying to work for themselves purely depend on others generousity to feed themselves? .. or that Ray Kroc( Founder of the McDonalds brand ) is a filthy,money-sucking bastard for franchising his brand only to others?

2.Illegal pyramid scheme... or not?

Definition of pyramid scheme (from wikipedia) - A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually WITHOUT any PRODUCT or SERVICE being delivered.

So let me ask you mr Steven Yip, are the Lampe Berger lamps just illusions that do not exist? Are Estebel 1833 and Ed.Pinaud just brand names created out of thick air? Do they not get delivered to the distributors to sell or use?

As much as I respect your effort and little bit of research to try and support your claims, I resent the very fact you keep defining DCHL as an illegal pyramid scheme company without fully comprehensing the scheme(no pun intended) of things. The reason why DCHL cannot and will NEVER be taken down is because it's a valid and legal company where products are being marketed and do not malfunction and where commisions to it's distributors are never late and never not given.

All MLM companies that have ceased to operate and fail are those that either offer products that have no use whatsoever or are imitations of genuine products.This is why they fail to generate sustainable sales and income enough to pay the distributors their commision. So my question is, how on earth will DCHL be considered a company that functions illegally when it's products marketed are genuine, and it's commision payoff to it's distributors never fails to arrive on time and whole?.. Unless of course it is a LEGAL company :).

3."But only the person at the very top earns the most!". Truth of fact?..

While I admit the higher the posi


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rolsie 4 years ago

Hi i'm John, I joined LB for 2 months already and i decide to refund

cause

those uplines are really bugging me a lot for upgrading to count which

cost

RM30k (Now no more offer i guess, its RM36-38k if i'm not mistaken).

They told me its impossible for you to success without cloning the

RM30k

system, and i did some research and found its true that you must clone

in

order to success, but what they told me when i haven't join is totally

different, they told me RM2k is just a small amount that you can borrow

it

easily from your friend or family, they even ask you to borrow from

loan

sharks who are relatives of upline in LB so we cannot complaint them.

I never give up, i keep trying everyday to meet friends and relatives

to

talk to them about this business, but i found they all are avoiding to

meet

me and some even don't want to pick up their phones when i call them.

Being

a part of MLM will really make all your friends run away from you, you

will

start to feel lonely.

Another thing is the attitude of your uplines are totally different

compare

to before you join and after u joined. You will feel like you are

begging

them to help you to find prospect and whatever they say you must listen

or

else you're dead.

Lastly, about the refund procedure, i called to the office and ask for

the

whole procedure about refund. I'm not sure about the RM30k but RM2345

is

like this:

1. Write a letter to the company to tell them you want to resign or

fill in

an account termination form provided in the company.

2. If all the products you bought are given by the company, you will

get an

invoice (a few yellow papers) and you must photostat it and submit

together

with the termination form/letter to the counter in the company.

3. You must not bring the products while doing step 1 and step 2, they

will

contact you few days later then only you bring the items for refund.

4. Make sure the products are in good condition and not used before.

5. Around one month after you pass them the products you will recieve a

cheque with the amount of 90% from the total you paid.

If the products are bought in the company instead of given by your

upline,

then you still got some hope. Well, still looks "ok" right? At least

can

refund...but wait....

When your upline bring you to buy the products, they use their own

names to

buy it with the reason "discount". The total PV you need to become a

franchisee is 2345PV = RM2345, so if your upline buy for you, you can

get a

discount of 20% (franchisee discount), 29% (baron discount), 38% (count

discount) from RM2345. So the products can say are bought by them even

you

paid, the invoice only have their names, they transfer the PV to you

only,

and they demand cash from you cause they buy for you so they don't have

any

commisions.

Then the problem comes, there's another refund method for situation

above,

procedure as below:

1. Return the products to your upline.

2. Your upline must pay you the amount of the total products you're

refunding.

3. Your upline will take the products to the company and refund. How

they

refund i'm not sure but i guess its something similar like above.

Well, i guess your upline is not stupid enough to do that.....

Here are some advice for you guys who being asked to join LB:

1. Do not follow them to their company at Menara HLA near KLCC. If you

did,

DO NOT being impressed by them with their bullshit fake story.

2. If you joined, before anything goes worse please do not go for their

any

gatherings and get your refund as soon as possible. They say treat you

go

where also don't go, mamak/KTV/movie where also, its not enjoying at

all,

its sharing you some fake stories to make you exited and convince you

to

upgrade to RM30k.

3. Do not sign the application form when they asked you. They will say,

this

is just something to prove that you are temporary my prospect and no

one can

force you to join them. They will not let you have the chance to read

the

agreement behind the form, it wrotes behind, quite small..."No.3(i) I

agree

to pay the membership fee and other registration charges currently

enforced

by the company".

4. Never ever go to anywhere when someone who is in LB calls you, its a

trap.

5. If you insist to join, please do not let your upline do for you. The

invoice must have your name in it.

6. Do not get confuse while they telling you the marketing plan, they

will

make you confuse so that you will think what they said is all true.

How they convince you to join?

1. Someone in LB will find his upline for help if they can't convince

you

alone. He most probably will find his upline who have a nice car to

come and

find you.

2. Your friend will not say anything but agree at everything his upline

telling you. Even his upline made a mistake on the plan he also will

agree.

3. They will start talking to you normally to get close to you.

4. His upline will simply give a reason to walk away from you a while.

Then

your friend will T-Up (Talk good things) about his upline to impress

you.

5. When he finish explain the marketing plan to you, your friend will

straightaway take out an application form and probably will say "what

are

you waiting for? lets join us" something like that.

I hope everyone who wants to join LB can read my experience in LB

beforeI respect your efforts in trying to bring down DCHL for what you perceive as something that is so evil and baneful to the public.. yet could your hardwork and effort be wasted because of a misconception on what you are against so strongly?

I sincerely hope that you will be rational in reading my opinions on DCHL and the network marketing industry :)

Definition

Network Marketing - Another way of distributing commercial products to the user. It's a business model that combines both direct-selling AND franchising.

1.DCHL

DCHL is a network MARKETING company.Not a network RECRUITING company. No where in the DCHL marketing plan state that the only way to achieve income from this business is by recruiting people.DCHL does not sustain its income purely on recruiting distributors. Independant distributors of DCHL can always make sales by selling the products DCHL has to offer.

To put it simply, an independant distributor with DCHL is like any other salesmen, but with the power to franchise the business opportunity to others. Thus the difference between a door-to-door salesmen and a DCHL distributor is that the distributor can share the business opportunity with others.

So according to your opinions on the distributors, that means door-to-door salesmen make dirty money? and that they do not deserve a single ounce of respect just because all they are doing is trying to get income to support themselves? that they deserve less respect than any beggar on the street who isntead of trying to work for themselves purely depend on others generousity to feed themselves? .. or that Ray Kroc( Founder of the McDonalds brand ) is a filthy,money-sucking bastard for franchising his brand only to others?

2.Illegal pyramid scheme... or not?

Definition of pyramid scheme (from wikipedia) - A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually WITHOUT any PRODUCT or SERVICE being delivered.

So let me ask you mr Steven Yip, are the Lampe Berger lamps just illusions that do not exist? Are Estebel 1833 and Ed.Pinaud just brand names created out of thick air? Do they not get delivered to the distributors to sell or use?

As much as I respect your effort and little bit of research to try and support your claims, I resent the very fact you keep defining DCHL as an illegal pyramid scheme company without fully comprehensing the scheme(no pun intended) of things. The reason why DCHL cannot and will NEVER be taken down is because it's a valid and legal company where products are being marketed and do not malfunction and where commisions to it's distributors are never late and never not given.

All MLM companies that have ceased to operate and fail are those that either offer products that have no use w


Rock 4 years ago

I read your web site and I am sad that many people have been cheated by certain gang(s) of people at SYN. I cannot say that I am surprised as myself, my cousin and a friend were also conned by them. I have discussed this matter with my lawyer and a police officer and they have advised that this is a case of cheating and that this is a police matter. However, a police report will have to be lodged for the police to investigation. Police report can be lodged at any police station or at the commercial crime investigation department at Bukit Aman. Alternatively, you can consult a lawyer or your MP to assist you to make the police report. Do not suffer in silence. You can do something constructive. If these people should be found guilty of an offence then they will be penalised by a court of law and you will also be able to sue them for your loss and for compensation. Yes, this cause of action will be time consuming and require some effort but it is certainly better than suffering in silence and standing-by helplessly while they go about ripping off other innocent victims. You will also be helping others in the same position as yourself as well as helping to prevent more people falling victim to them.

for those of you who are anti-lb, observant (6 posts above) have made a point whereby there's no constructive criticism and all ur prove are from ppl who have failed in the business not wanting to admit their own mistakes?

after reading most anti-lb sites, they all seem to say the same thing; criticizing before explaining; fuck this and fuck that.. well? Fuck you too! anyway, i believe up to 80% are criticizes and only 20% explained. YOU(anti-lbs) are "theoretically" doing MLM or rather Pyramid urself (the system that is). It all started off from a fool or two (or even more) who failed to accomplish their mission; run around like a child who didn't get their toys, mocking the business plan/company and even products; then start a blog; invite frens etc and spreads like bacteria; now those who've read ur blogs either follow ur "culture" by not even analyzing, experiencing, observing (whatever it is) on what SYN/DCHL has to offer but mock and mock blindly (the mechanics of the business, how everything work); u have just duplicated urselves and it all goes round and round. arent we the same? should i say heaven & hell? by doing so, SYN is earning money while anti-lb's are not earning a cent. havin fun doin it? carry on then.

as for those who've explained, it seem to me it is the MEMBERS within DCHL/SYN who are not practicing the right culture SYN/DCHL are trying to duplicate or rather educate its members. who said u're not entitled to choose ur items? which business doesn't require hard work? u want cash, u work for it. u think money will grow once u dump in 36k into SYN? SYN is a duplicating business. i need not explain more cos u can read it off observant's post above, you smart-assed anti-lbs.

to cut it short for others who've still not a clue wat SYN is about?

1. u register, buy stock (CHOOSE THEM DAMMIT!)

2. u find 3-5 downlines, give stock to downlines; get capital back

3. they do the same u're doing (duplication)

4. u start earning from there based on figures given by SYN/DCHL.

.....get my drift? no? i have an idea, why don't u make a few phone calls to ur SYN frens and listen to their talks. ask whatever u don't understand or want to know. while u're at it, stop being a skeptical loser and absorb whatever u can, bring a pen & paper. if things still don't sound right, ur advisor - the person who tell u things abt SYN is a misleading-retard. if u find a flaw, let's debate on it then! if otherwise, STFU life goes on.

as for the BMW's/watever fancy cars, VIP's, events with choppers and all that shit which i myself cant be bothered. if u haven't already figured, MLM is all about EGO, work practice, culture, product knowledge and ur communication skills. Why BMW's and all the fancy cars? WHAT'RE U, DUMB? Those who've made it up there NEEDS something to SHOW the others into joining in the business, fancy cars are the easiest THING to show ur prospects, DUMBASS! what u wanna buy a house and take ur prospect to ur new house just to show it off to him that its yours? suit urself! anyway, if u have NOTHING to show, how are u supposed to impress ur prospects? You don't expect Bill Gates to drive a Proton Wira?! YES estabelle has a luxurious SPA if u can be bothered, SYN has VIP's and icons givin talks and crap cos HEY! ITS ALL ABT SHOWING-OFF! u don't like it, then don't!

now for all u anti-lb's, either YOU wake up and stop "scamming" or rather "misleading" the SOCIETY that SYN is a scam just cos u didn't get wat u anticipiated due to ur own failure. stop blaming others for ur failure.

on a sidenote, don't even think about mixing SYN/DCHL with other MLM companies like amway, cosway, tupperware watever it is, cos if u do, then u're just plain dumb and ignorant. what u should be doing is understand what is within SYN/DCHL then u figure out how the hell is this a scam to the "SOCIETY".

no doubt im a SYN member, but hey i don't give a rats' ass about all the fancy events, cars, spa's it doesn't impress me one bit, fuck no. what im impressed with is how things are being runned and how easy it is to DO IT; my upline educates me well, the business plan is fantastic, i got my capital so i have nothing to lose now, best part is MLM taught me heaps u dickwits probably don't even know of!

Like managing ur funds, manage people, talking to people, time management, how u're gonna help ur downlines be like u and all that shit. AND NO, SYN sure as hell did not teach me to MOCK and throw words about like most u anti-lb's do. I bet all those "complaint letters" from anti-lb sites are all fake. U're just tryin to bring down SYN. Don't even think about it. SYN is growing, LB is stable, the boss is a reputable person (NOT steven yeam, boss of DCHL), the plan is awesome, products are sure as hell fantastic! What else do u ask for?

Next time do ur homework before u even think of dumping ur money into things u're not sure about cos u're just gonna end up like the rest of these anti-lb's. on a side-note, stop being skeptical and conservative. the world is changing everyday so is the market and so should YOU.

Now for those of u who got "cheated", revise and seek consultation.

And for the record, i apologize for my childish speech with all the inappropriate name-callings, i just had to sound like a child in order for me to "fit-in" with the anti-lb-ers. To put it simply, an independant distributor with DCHL is like any other salesmen, but with the power to franchise the business opportunity to others. Thus the difference between a door-to-door salesmen and a DCHL distributor is that the distributor can share the business opportunity with others.

So according to your opinions on the distributors, that means door-to-door salesmen make dirty money? and that they do not deserve a single ounce of respect just because all they are doing is trying to get income to support themselves? that they deserve less respect than any beggar on the street who isntead of trying to work for themselves purely depend on others generousity to feed themselves? .. or that Ray Kroc( Founder of the McDonalds brand ) is a filthy,money-sucking bastard for franchising his brand only to others?

2.Illegal pyramid scheme... or not?

Definition of pyramid scheme (from wikipedia) - A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually WITHOUT any PRODUCT or SERVICE being delivered.

So let me ask you mr Steven Yip, are the Lampe Berger lamps just illusions that do not exist? Are Estebel 1833 and Ed.Pinaud just brand names created out of thick air? Do they not get delivered to the distributors to sell or use?

As much as I respect your effort and little bit of research to try and support your claims, I resent the very fact you keep defining DCHL as an illegal pyramid scheme company without fully comprehensing the scheme(no pun intended) of things. The reason why DCHL cannot and will NEVER be take


Fay 4 years ago

This post is for the muslims who wants to know whether this type of MLM is Halal or not. I take this from Fikrah Doktor Salam section from Harian Metro Newspaper.

Q: SAYA dipelawa untuk menyertai aktiviti perniagaan pemasaran pelbagai peringkat atau multi level marketing (MLM) di sebuah syarikat dengan keuntungan yang dijanjikan berlipat kali ganda.

Justeru, saya ke syarikat berkenaan untuk melihat sendiri pelan pemasaran yang dijalankan itu. Hati saya tertarik tapi masih ragu-ragu sama ada perniagaan MLM itu halal atau tidak di sisi Islam.

Ini kerana sekiranya ada peserta di bawah saya atau downline, saya akan mendapat keuntungan yang dijanjikan itu, tetapi jika tiada, saya tidak akan mendapat apa-apa. Adilkah perniagaan seperti itu di sisi Islam?A: PERNIAGAAN MLM seperti di atas bukan bertujuan untuk perniagaan (menjual barangan dan sebagainya) tetapi hanya mencari downline semata-mata tidak dibenarkan dalam Islam.

Ini kerana tujuan sebenarnya MLM adalah supaya barangan dapat dijual secara terus daripada pengusaha atau pengilang kepada pelanggan dengan harga yang murah kerana tidak membabitkan orang tengah (peruncit).

Mencari downline semata-mata hanya menguntungkan syarikat terbabit kerana mereka mendapat yuran keahlian dan seumpamanya. Anda dibayar apabila downline berkembang. Ia adalah sistem piramid (skim Pak Man Telo) yang menyalahi undang-undang dan bukan MLM yang sebenarnya.

Dr Abdul Salam Muhammad Shukri

Penolong Profesor Kulliyah Ilmu Wahyu dan Sains Kemanusiaan, Universiti Islam Antarabangsa Malaysia

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This is my opinion. If there's non muslims who already studied the way MLM works and mention that there's something wrong with it, muslims would need to take heed on whether this is legal.

Here's the 2nd part to the email. While I cannot say that all Lampe Berger members do business this way, but I think majority of them do. This is how network works. Uplines will teach downlines how to start getting more people in. And this blog is not owned by SYN or SGN.

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Regarding the last post, actually I am not sure whether it's good to post that or not.I was very angry with them because they wanted to delay the payment for the 2nd time.Thank God I have received my refund (RM18k) after threatening them that I am going to report to DCHL and police if I don't get my money back ASAP.

In Islam also it is not good even it is a sin to hate each other.I don't mean to treat them as my enemy but they really made me mad. I think I have responsible to share my experience to others.I followed their activities non-stop about 2 months and understand enough their tactics.

I need to clarify why I said I have been cheated.

I went to the seminar in DCHL and the Marquis said invest 33k and if we refund within six month we can get back 90%.Actually a good MLM is one which is affordable by most people. (But of course you have to look also the other criteria.)And they also said that LB is a low risk business. But it is not. They did not tell me that the 33k will include about RM10k non-refundable product. I invested in really 'kelam kabut' situation because could not wait to get started. I was influenced by their friendly and supportive group and I really believed in my friend. They did say when we decide to invest 33k never look back but remember God has the power to change people's mind. In my case, I was too excited to get started and did not think that I would quit but when I felt something is wrong I had to make decision to quit.When invest, I asked my upline to choose the products for me, and did not expect the non-refundable products cost about RM10k.I told them that I wanted to try the anti-acerian but did not expect they will include up to 8 sets! They said that if I take anti-acarien less I have to pay more.Since I didn't want to pay more I just agreed without thinking the risk that I am going to face if I quit. I was too excited that I could not think carefully at that time. In the training they asked me to love the product and try them. And I tried lots of the products which cost about RM5k.Actually I was influenced by them which encouraged me to invest without thinking carefully. I have to admit that it was my fault not to think carefully.I assume this as my 'pengalaman hidup' and a lesson for me.

Why I quit?They maybe will tell people I quit because I gave up but actually just before I made decision to refund I managed to warm up 2 friends and I was very sure they will join but I quit before I bring them to the office. I quit because I felt uneasy with their activities and not sure whether the biz is 'halal' or not. I just can't imagine how my downlines will get mad at me if they are not able to get money from the biz which could break our friendship.So I'd better stop. I don't want to ruin my friendship with others.

Why I say it is not advisable for muslim to join LB?First-they teach people to lie. When we invest for count we will get rebate about RM2k and they taught me to tell people that the RM2k is my first income.Second- they encourage members to join the tea party usually at night about 9-10 pm. Where in Islam it is not good for women to hang out mixed with guys at night.At the tea party they will talk about the biz and show off that some of them have quited their job and make much money with LB to influence others who haven't joined.Third- There are other activities which I felt not comfortable with where they encourage the audience to scream, sing and dance to burn the 'semangat' in ourselves and to influence others.

Before joining them I searched the internet and found this blog and felt afraid to join LB, but since I believe in my friend I ignored this blog. When I told themabout this blog they said that they are failure people and don't follow them plus the blog owned by SYN not SGN.

People who are engrossed in the biz won't realize something is wrong in that biz because they are happy getting lots of money, but the ones who make decision to refundwill understand the deceptions in this business.

For those who are thinking to join, it's up to you to join or not, but make sure you think carefully and don't join to follow and believe your friend.Make sure you understand and read the company policy.The members will tell you that you are going to make lots of money if you join them but you have to work very hard. Imagine you come back from work, you are tired then you have to join their training @ tea party. When I joined their activities I usually went back home at about 11-12 midnight and the next day I have to wake up early and go to work again. Usually if I came back home late at night they next day I always got drowsy at office and neglect my job. Just imagine how tired I was. I also had to neglect my time with my baby. I went to work while my baby was still sleeping and when I came back from their activities my baby already slept. You also have to contact your friends just to give them clue that you are doing a good biz and hoping they will join you. I am just sharing my experience, it's up to you to join or not, if you think you will love their activities, pls proceed.I respect your efforts in trying to bring down DCHL for what you perceive as something that is so evil and baneful to the public.. yet could your hardwork and effort be wasted because of a misconception on what you are against so strongly?

I sincerely hope that you will be rational in reading my opinions on DCHL and the network marketing industry :)

Definition

Network Marketing - Another way of distributing commercial products to the user. It's a business model that combines both direct-selling AND franchising.

1.DCHL

DCHL is a network MARKETING company.Not a network RECRUITING company. No where in the DCHL marketing plan state that the only way to achieve income from this business is by recruiting people.DCHL does not sustain its income purely on recruiting distributors. Independant distributors of DCHL can always make sales by selling the products DCHL has to offer.

To put it simply, an independant distributor with DCHL is like any other salesmen, but with the power to fran


June 4 years ago

I read your web site and I am sad that many people have been cheated by certain gang(s) of people at SYN. I cannot say that I am surprised as myself, my cousin and a friend were also conned by them. I have discussed this matter with my lawyer and a police officer and they have advised that this is a case of cheating and that this is a police matter. However, a police report will have to be lodged for the police to investigation. Police report can be lodged at any police station or at the commercial crime investigation department at Bukit Aman. Alternatively, you can consult a lawyer or your MP to assist you to make the police report. Do not suffer in silence. You can do something constructive. If these people should be found guilty of an offence then they will be penalised by a court of law and you will also be able to sue them for your loss and for compensation. Yes, this cause of action will be time consuming and require some effort but it is certainly better than suffering in silence and standing-by helplessly while they go about ripping off other innocent victims. You will also be helping others in the same position as yourself as well as helping to prevent more people falling victim to them.I respect your efforts in trying to bring down DCHL for what you perceive as something that is so evil and baneful to the public.. yet could your hardwork and effort be wasted because of a misconception on what you are against so strongly?

I sincerely hope that you will be rational in reading my opinions on DCHL and the network marketing industry :)

Definition

Network Marketing - Another way of distributing commercial products to the user. It's a business model that combines both direct-selling AND franchising.

1.DCHL

DCHL is a network MARKETING company.Not a network RECRUITING company. No where in the DCHL marketing plan state that the only way to achieve income from this business is by recruiting people.DCHL does not sustain its income purely on recruiting distributors. Independant distributors of DCHL can always make sales by selling the products DCHL has to offer.

To put it simply, an independant distributor with DCHL is like any other salesmen, but with the power to franchise the business opportunity to others. Thus the difference between a door-to-door salesmen and a DCHL distributor is that the distributor can share the business opportunity with others.

So according to your opinions on the distributors, that means door-to-door salesmen make dirty money? and that they do not deserve a single ounce of respect just because all they are doing is trying to get income to support themselves? that they deserve less respect than any beggar on the street who isntead of trying to work for themselves purely depend on others generousity to feed themselves? .. or that Ray Kroc( Founder of the McDonalds brand ) is a filthy,money-sucking bastard for franchising his brand only to others?

2.Illegal pyramid scheme... or not?

Definition of pyramid scheme (from wikipedia) - A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually WITHOUT any PRODUCT or SERVICE being delivered.

So let me ask you mr Steven Yip, are the Lampe Berger lamps just illusions that do not exist? Are Estebel 1833 and Ed.Pinaud just brand names created out of thick air? Do they not get delivered to the distributors to sell or use?

As much as I respect your effort and little bit of research to try and support your claims, I resent the very fact you keep defining DCHL as an illegal pyramid scheme company without fully comprehensing the scheme(no pun intended) of things. The reason why DCHL cannot and will NEVER be taken down is because it's a valid and legal company where products are being marketed and do not malfunction and where commisions to it's distributors are never late and never not given.

All MLM companies that have ceased to operate and fail are those that either offer products that have no use whatsoever or are imitations of genuine products.This is why they fail to generate sustainable sales and income enough to pay the distributors their commision. So my question is, how on earth will DCHL be considered a company that functions illegally when it's products marketed are genuine, and it's commision payoff to it's distributors never fails to arrive on time and whole?.. Unless of course it is a LEGAL company :).

3."But only the person at the very top earns the most!". Truth of fact?..

While I admit the higher the position you are in DCHL, the more likely your income will be higher, I also wonder what's wrong with it?

Many people assume that the people in high positions in DCHL are people who joined early.Truth is, many of the Marquises and Dukes (quite high positions) are distributors who have joined just NOT SO LONG AGO. "How do they earn more than their upline?" you ask?, By earning those positions through sheer hard-effort in achieving the sales-quota.So of course their income is higher as the sales they generate in order to achieve those positions are higher than an odinary distributor!

There's no logic if a business that generates more sales than another gets less income than the other is there?

Besides, ask around and you will see that just because you are an upline of someone in DCHL does not mean you earn more than your downline.For example..just because you have a Duke as your downline does not mean you earn as much as a Duke.

While on the other hand, I have not heard of any corporations or companies that offer higher salaries to employees of lower levels. Employees of higher position will DEFINITELY have a higher salary than a lower one.If you can list a single company that pays more to its Receptionist than to its CEO, please do kindly share it with me.

4."My upline only wants me to work so he can get all the benefits"..Truth or fact?

While I think I have answered this quite clearly in my previous point, I wish to point out this obvious fact:-

-Your superior as an employee reserves the right to stop your income by firing you if you fail to do your given work.

-Your upline DOES NOT have the right to stop your income NOR fire you if you fail to build your own business.

I have not seen a case in DCHL where a distributor is forced to do sales for his upline just because he won't have income if he does not. And that's the beauty of this business!

5."My brother lost rm30K+ for investing in a Count position because his upline LIED to him!"... Who is the real liar?

As far as I am concerned, the reason distributors in DCHL invest in the count position is because of the various advantages and perks business-wise one gets when making sales from the said position.Any distributor that has a business mindset will definitely prefer to start their business from a position that allows them to maximise their business timewise and moneywise.

That being said, there is NO rule in DCHL that states a distributor MUST invest for the Count position before they begin their sales.So if there's no such obligation for distributors to do so, why then are so many people still saying DCHL forces it's distributors to invest?

When a "former" distributor starts feeling that their money is "lost" through investing in DCHL, I feel a certain tinge of sadness for them. Not because they "lost" their money, but because they are LYING to themselves.

An example of losing your investment is losing your money on the share market where at the end of the day you lose your shares also as well.On the other hand,when the Count money is invested you gain not only the position but the stocks accordingly.Also as part of DCHL's marketing plan, you never lose your position no matter how fast or slow you build your business.So please explain to me how can the investment be lost?

No offence , but my opinion is people who feel that they start feeling that they are not capable of generating any sales and that suddenly they feel this business is too hard to achieve and be successful in. Yet they blame their uplines/the business/the company/Steven Yeam (I can't stop myself from laughing here) for their fail


Zack 4 years ago

I won't go on arguing all the points, but only one:

If it's a network marketing company and not recruiting, how come the culture of people in there reflects otherwise? You see, the problem is, the incentive provided by DCHL is allowing people to jump the rank queue by buying your position up. As for the uplines, they know if a new member joins, they will earn their part. And somehow, the uplines can earn even more if the newly joined member fork up more cash to buy baron or count.

DCHL of course, will protect themselves legally with a bunch of well written contracts. Legally, the network members themselves are in the losing end. Most of them don't read it fully, or are not aware of them.

The best example is mine. My brother joined in as franchise by paying 2k plus. I was thinking...alrite...it's a bit expensive, although I totally disagree. Then he somehow wanted to pay 30k for count position. This is where you are pulling more than an arm and a leg from the member. You are creating social discord between friends, families and relatives. In the end he got 30k from my dad's KWSP money. Let me tell you one thing, my dad worked 10 hard years in a factory for that retirement fund. And now it all ended up in DCHL lampe berger. And to this date, my brother has quit (without a single sale). The point I want to show here is, there's a culture of pushing people to jump queue.

There's more stories, if you browse this blog.

And I want to touch on one aspect that keeps me wondering why MLM is such a flawed concept.

In a basic transaction, you are the seller, and you go find your potential customers. You sell them the stuff, and they pay you for that.

And that's all.

But in MLM, you are the seller, and doing both selling and asking the customer to be another seller. Isn't it odd? Notice why insurance salesman don't go recruiting a bunch of downlines? Because the market will soon be saturated, and then who will be the customers then? The point is, the number of sellers go up and up, and soon, you won't have anyone to sell to.

So how does this makes sense?

It does spells fast growth for the company sales, but suicidal to be a network member (if you are at the lowest). You can't be selling stuff among yourselves, do you?I respect your efforts in trying to bring down DCHL for what you perceive as something that is so evil and baneful to the public.. yet could your hardwork and effort be wasted because of a misconception on what you are against so strongly?

I sincerely hope that you will be rational in reading my opinions on DCHL and the network marketing industry :)

Definition

Network Marketing - Another way of distributing commercial products to the user. It's a business model that combines both direct-selling AND franchising.

1.DCHL

DCHL is a network MARKETING company.Not a network RECRUITING company. No where in the DCHL marketing plan state that the only way to achieve income from this business is by recruiting people.DCHL does not sustain its income purely on recruiting distributors. Independant distributors of DCHL can always make sales by selling the products DCHL has to offer.

To put it simply, an independant distributor with DCHL is like any other salesmen, but with the power to franchise the business opportunity to others. Thus the difference between a door-to-door salesmen and a DCHL distributor is that the distributor can share the business opportunity with others.

So according to your opinions on the distributors, that means door-to-door salesmen make dirty money? and that they do not deserve a single ounce of respect just because all they are doing is trying to get income to support themselves? that they deserve less respect than any beggar on the street who isntead of trying to work for themselves purely depend on others generousity to feed themselves? .. or that Ray Kroc( Founder of the McDonalds brand ) is a filthy,money-sucking bastard for franchising his brand only to others?

2.Illegal pyramid scheme... or not?

Definition of pyramid scheme (from wikipedia) - A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually WITHOUT any PRODUCT or SERVICE being delivered.

So let me ask you mr Steven Yip, are the Lampe Berger lamps just illusions that do not exist? Are Estebel 1833 and Ed.Pinaud just brand names created out of thick air? Do they not get delivered to the distributors to sell or use?

As much as I respect your effort and little bit of research to try and support your claims, I resent the very fact you keep defining DCHL as an illegal pyramid scheme company without fully comprehensing the scheme(no pun intended) of things. The reason why DCHL cannot and will NEVER be taken down is because it's a valid and legal company where products are being marketed and do not malfunction and where commisions to it's distributors are never late and never not given.

All MLM companies that have ceased to operate and fail are those that either offer products that have no use whatsoever or are imitations of genuine products.This is why they fail to generate sustainable sales and income enough to pay the distributors their commision. So my question is, how on earth will DCHL be considered a company that functions illegally when it's products marketed are genuine, and it's commision payoff to it's distributors never fails to arrive on time and whole?.. Unless of course it is a LEGAL company :).

3."But only the person at the very top earns the most!". Truth of fact?..

While I admit the higher the position you are in DCHL, the more likely your income will be higher, I also wonder what's wrong with it?

Many people assume that the people in high positions in DCHL are people who joined early.Truth is, many of the Marquises and Dukes (quite high positions) are distributors who have joined just NOT SO LONG AGO. "How do they earn more than their upline?" you ask?, By earning those positions through sheer hard-effort in achieving the sales-quota.So of course their income is higher as the sales they generate in order to achieve those positions are higher than an odinary distributor!

There's no logic if a business that generates more sales than another gets less income than the other is there?

Besides, ask around and you will see that just because you are an upline of someone in DCHL does not mean you earn more than your downline.For example..just because you have a Duke as your downline does not mean you earn as much as a Duke.

While on the other hand, I have not heard of any corporations or companies that offer higher salaries to employees of lower levels. Employees of higher position will DEFINITELY have a higher salary than a lower one.If you can list a single company that pays more to its Receptionist than to its CEO, please do kindly share it with me.

4."My upline only wants me to work so he can get all the benefits"..Truth or fact?

While I think I have answered this quite clearly in my previous point, I wish to point out this obvious fact:-

-Your superior as an employee reserves the right to stop your income by firing you if you fail to do your given work.

-Your upline DOES NOT have the right to stop your income NOR fire you if you fail to build your own business.

I have not seen a case in DCHL where a distributor is forced to do sales for his upline just because he won't have income if he does not. And that's the beauty of this business!

5."My brother lost rm30K+ for investing in a Count position because his upline LIED to him!"... Who is the real liar?

As far as I am concerned, the reason distributors in DCHL invest in the count position is because of the various advantages and perks business-wise one gets when making sales from the said position.Any distributor that has a business mindset will definitely prefer to start their business from a position that allows them to maximise their business timewise and moneywise.

That being said, there is NO rule in DCHL that states a distributor MUST invest for the Count position before they begin their sales.So if there's no such obligation for distributors to do so, why then are so man


Alice 5 years ago

I received an email from John, who was in Lampe Berger business.

He just wants others to know how deceiving is this nature of business.

On another note, you can sense that a lot of people are aware of this lampe berger

business, and giving the cold shoulders to it.

----

Hi i'm John, I joined LB for 2 months already and i decide to refund

cause

those uplines are really bugging me a lot for upgrading to count which

cost

RM30k (Now no more offer i guess, its RM36-38k if i'm not mistaken).

They told me its impossible for you to success without cloning the

RM30k

system, and i did some research and found its true that you must clone

in

order to success, but what they told me when i haven't join is totally

different, they told me RM2k is just a small amount that you can borrow

it

easily from your friend or family, they even ask you to borrow from

loan

sharks who are relatives of upline in LB so we cannot complaint them.

I never give up, i keep trying everyday to meet friends and relatives

to

talk to them about this business, but i found they all are avoiding to

meet

me and some even don't want to pick up their phones when i call them.

Being

a part of MLM will really make all your friends run away from you, you

will

start to feel lonely.

Another thing is the attitude of your uplines are totally different

compare

to before you join and after u joined. You will feel like you are

begging

them to help you to find prospect and whatever they say you must listen

or

else you're dead.

Lastly, about the refund procedure, i called to the office and ask for

the

whole procedure about refund. I'm not sure about the RM30k but RM2345

is

like this:

1. Write a letter to the company to tell them you want to resign or

fill in

an account termination form provided in the company.

2. If all the products you bought are given by the company, you will

get an

invoice (a few yellow papers) and you must photostat it and submit

together

with the termination form/letter to the counter in the company.

3. You must not bring the products while doing step 1 and step 2, they

will

contact you few days later then only you bring the items for refund.

4. Make sure the products are in good condition and not used before.

5. Around one month after you pass them the products you will receive a

cheque with the amount of 90% from the total you paid.

If the products are bought in the company instead of given by your

upline,

then you still got some hope. Well, still looks "ok" right? At least

can

refund...but wait....

When your upline bring you to buy the products, they use their own

names to

buy it with the reason "discount". The total PV you need to become a

franchisee is 2345PV = RM2345, so if your upline buy for you, you can

get a

discount of 20% (franchisee discount), 29% (baron discount), 38% (count

discount) from RM2345. So the products can say are bought by them even

you

paid, the invoice only have their names, they transfer the PV to you

only,

and they demand cash from you cause they buy for you so they don't have

any

commissions.

Then the problem comes, there's another refund method for situation

above,

procedure as below:

1. Return the products to your upline.

2. Your upline must pay you the amount of the total products you're

refunding.

3. Your upline will take the products to the company and refund. How

they

refund i'm not sure but i guess its something similar like above.

Well, i guess your upline is not stupid enough to do that.....

Here are some advice for you guys who being asked to join LB:

1. Do not follow them to their company at Menara HLA near KLCC. If you

did,

DO NOT being impressed by them with their bullshit fake story.

2. If you joined, before anything goes worse please do not go for their

any

gatherings and get your refund as soon as possible. They say treat you

go

where also don't go, mamak/KTV/movie where also, its not enjoying at

all,

its sharing you some fake stories to make you exited and convince you

to

upgrade to RM30k.

3. Do not sign the application form when they asked you. They will say,

this

is just something to prove that you are temporary my prospect and no

one can

force you to join them. They will not let you have the chance to read

the

agreement behind the form, it wrotes behind, quite small..."No.3(i) I

agree

to pay the membership fee and other registration charges currently

enforced

by the company".

4. Never ever go to anywhere when someone who is in LB calls you, it's a

trap.

5. If you insist to join, please do not let your upline do for you. The

invoice must have your name in it.

6. Do not get confuse while they telling you the marketing plan, they

will

make you confuse so that you will think what they said is all true.

How they convince you to join?

1. Someone in LB will find his upline for help if they can't convince

you

alone. He most probably will find his upline who have a nice car to

come and

find you.

2. Your friend will not say anything but agree at everything his upline

telling you. Even his upline made a mistake on the plan he also will

agree.

3. They will start talking to you normally to get close to you.

4. His upline will simply give a reason to walk away from you a while.

Then

your friend will T-Up (Talk good things) about his upline to impress

you.

5. When he finish explain the marketing plan to you, your friend will

straightaway take out an application form and probably will say "what

are

you waiting for? lets join us" something like that.

I hope everyone who wants to join LB can read my experience in LB

before

they join.

DCHL is a network MARKETING company.Not a network RECRUITING company. No where in the DCHL marketing plan state that the only way to achieve income from this business is by recruiting people.DCHL does not sustain its income purely on recruiting distributors. Independant distributors of DCHL can always make sales by selling the products DCHL has to offer.

To put it simply, an independant distributor with DCHL is like any other salesmen, but with the power to franchise the business opportunity to others. Thus the difference between a door-to-door salesmen and a DCHL distributor is that the distributor can share the business opportunity with others.

So according to your opinions on the distributors, that means door-to-door salesmen make dirty money? and that they do not deserve a single ounce of respect just because all they are doing is trying to get income to support themselves? that they deserve less respect than any beggar on the street who isntead of trying to work for themselves purely depend on others generousity to feed themselves? .. or that Ray Kroc( Founder of the McDonalds brand ) is a filthy,money-sucking bastard for franchising his brand only to others?

2.Illegal pyramid scheme... or not?

Definition of pyramid scheme (from wikipedia) - A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually WITHOUT any PRODUCT or SERVICE being delivered.

So let me ask you mr Steven Yip, are the Lampe Berger lamps just illusions that do not exist? Are Estebel 1833 and Ed.Pinaud just brand names created out of thick air? Do they not get delivered to the distributors to sell or use?

As much as I respect your effort and little bit of research to try and support your claims, I resent the very fact you keep defining DCHL as an illegal pyramid scheme company without fully comprehensing the scheme(no pun intended) of things. The reason why DCHL cannot and will NEVER be taken down is because it's a valid and legal company where products are being marketed and do not malfunction and where commisions to it's distributors are never late and never not given.

All MLM companies that have ceased to operate and fail are those that either offer products that have no use whatsoever or are imitations of genuine products.This is why they fail to generate sustainable sales and income enough to pay the distributors their commision. So my question is, how on earth will DCHL be considered a company that functions illegally when it's products marketed are genuine, and it's commision payoff to it's distributors never fails to arri


mENG 5 years ago

Dear Steven Yip,

I respect your efforts in trying to bring down DCHL for what you perceive as something that is so evil and baneful to the public.. yet could your hardwork and effort be wasted because of a misconception on what you are against so strongly?

I sincerely hope that you will be rational in reading my opinions on DCHL and the network marketing industry :)

Definition

Network Marketing - Another way of distributing commercial products to the user. It's a business model that combines both direct-selling AND franchising.

1.DCHL

DCHL is a network MARKETING company.Not a network RECRUITING company. Nowhere in the DCHL marketing plan state that the only way to achieve income from this business is by recruiting people.DCHL does not sustain its income purely on recruiting distributors. Independent distributors of DCHL can always make sales by selling the products DCHL has to offer.

To put it simply, an independent distributor with DCHL is like any other salesmen, but with the power to franchise the business opportunity to others. Thus the difference between a door-to-door salesmen and a DCHL distributor is that the distributor can share the business opportunity with others.

So according to your opinions on the distributors, that means door-to-door salesmen make dirty money? and that they do not deserve a single ounce of respect just because all they are doing is trying to get income to support themselves? that they deserve less respect than any beggar on the street who isntead of trying to work for themselves purely depend on others generousity to feed themselves? .. or that Ray Kroc( Founder of the McDonalds brand ) is a filthy,money-sucking bastard for franchising his brand only to others?

2.Illegal pyramid scheme... or not?

Definition of pyramid scheme (from wikipedia) - A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, usually WITHOUT any PRODUCT or SERVICE being delivered.

So let me ask you mr Steven Yip, are the Lampe Berger lamps just illusions that do not exist? Are Estebel 1833 and Ed.Pinaud just brand names created out of thick air? Do they not get delivered to the distributors to sell or use?

As much as I respect your effort and little bit of research to try to support your claims, I resent the very fact you keep defining DCHL as an illegal pyramid scheme company without fully comprehensing the scheme(no pun intended) of things. The reason why DCHL cannot and will NEVER be taken down is because it's a valid and legal company where products are being marketed and do not malfunction and where commissions to it's distributors are never late and never not given.

All MLM companies that have ceased to operate and fail are those that either offer products that have no use whatsoever or are imitations of genuine products.This is why they fail to generate sustainable sales and income enough to pay the distributors their commission. So my question is, how on earth will DCHL be considered a company that functions illegally when it's products marketed are genuine, and it's commission payoff to it's distributors never fails to arrive on time and whole?.. Unless of course it is a LEGAL company :).

3."But only the person at the very top earns the most!". Truth of fact?..

While I admit the higher the position you are in DCHL, the more likely your income will be higher, I also wonder what's wrong with it?

Many people assume that the people in high positions in DCHL are people who joined early.Truth is, many of the Marquises and Dukes (quite high positions) are distributors who have joined just NOT SO LONG AGO. "How do they earn more than their upline?" you ask?, By earning those positions through sheer hard-effort in achieving the sales-quota.So of course their income is higher as the sales they generate in order to achieve those positions are higher than an odinary distributor!

There's no logic if a business that generates more sales than another gets less income than the other is there?

Besides, ask around and you will see that just because you are an upline of someone in DCHL does not mean you earn more than your downline.For example..just because you have a Duke as your downline does not mean you earn as much as a Duke.

While on the other hand, I have not heard of any corporations or companies that offer higher salaries to employees of lower levels. Employees of higher position will DEFINITELY have a higher salary than a lower one.If you can list a single company that pays more to its Receptionist than to its CEO, please do kindly share it with me.

4."My upline only wants me to work so he can get all the benefits"..Truth or fact?

While I think I have answered this quite clearly in my previous point, I wish to point out this obvious fact:-

-Your superior as an employee reserves the right to stop your income by firing you if you fail to do your given work.

-Your upline DOES NOT have the right to stop your income NOR fire you if you fail to build your own business.

I have not seen a case in DCHL where a distributor is forced to do sales for his upline just because he won't have income if he does not. And that's the beauty of this business!

5."My brother lost rm30K+ for investing in a Count position because his upline LIED to him!"... Who is the real liar?

As far as I am concerned, the reason distributors in DCHL invest in the count position is because of the various advantages and perks business-wise one gets when making sales from the said position.Any distributor that has a business mindset will definitely prefer to start their business from a position that allows them to maximise their business timewise and moneywise.

That being said, there is NO rule in DCHL that states a distributor MUST invest for the Count position before they begin their sales.So if there's no such obligation for distributors to do so, why then are so many people still saying DCHL forces it's distributors to invest?

When a "former" distributor starts feeling that their money is "lost" through investing in DCHL, I feel a certain tinge of sadness for them. Not because they "lost" their money, but because they are LYING to themselves.

An example of losing your investment is losing your money on the share market where at the end of the day you lose your shares also as well.On the other hand,when the Count money is invested you gain not only the position but the stocks accordingly.Also as part of DCHL's marketing plan, you never lose your position no matter how fast or slow you build your business.So please explain to me how can the investment be lost?

No offence , but my opinion is people who feel that they start feeling that they are not capable of generating any sales and that suddenly they feel this business is too hard to achieve and be successful in. Yet they blame their uplines/the business/the company/Steven Yeam (I can't stop myself from laughing here) for their failure to make use of the opportunity presented to them. May I ask then who's the real liar?

While I cannot deny it is a human trait to naturally find a scapegoat for anything that goes wrong, I resent people who look at others as the scapegoat instead of themselves.In DCHL's marketing plan, there's no such thing as you losing money in it. Even if you do not manage to make sales after investing, at the very least you get your products as well as (very importantly) the position. So to all the people out there that feel that they got cheated by their uplines, instead of whining and spreading false rumours, why not use those efforts into building up your business again?.

6.In conclusion

As much as I wish to convince you of your huge misconception towards DCHL, I understand you will have many other reasons to believe otherwise.As said at the start of this post, I respect you very much Mr Steven Yip.While I do not expect you to post what I had written as a main blog entry in your blog, at the very least I sincerely and utterly hope you will bring up some of the points I mentioned.While you may still have your doubts and negativity , I do hope that it can be cleared through a proper d


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