Should all models be a size 0?

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   Fashionista <3posted 14 years ago

   Recently there was a controversy over a model featured in Glamour magazine because she has skin flab hanging out in her picture. The media criticized her, but Glamour readers stood by her saying she was a beautiful, healthy girl and they wanted to see more "normal" looking girls in magazines. Now a days, size 6 is considered a plus size model. Is that right? Should all models be rail thin with no curves? Do you want to see girls that look more like you in magazines or the stereotypical model types? Do these stereotypical types, who are obviously air brushed, fulfill a fantasy that we like to see in magazines?

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      Lady_Eposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      All models shouldn't be a size zero bcos some of the things they wear/model would not be flattering to a person of a medium size. Models should be in all sizes: The size zero's, the slim, the medium and the not so medium.

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      dejajolieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      As you stated most of it is airbrushed..... I think curvy and natural is more attractive, I'm a 4 and to some I may be "plus-size" but who cares.... I think models should be all sizes there is beauty in all as long as it's natural

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      drej2522posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yes...all models should be rails.

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      esstat17posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Your coll.. Keep up!

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         nicoleenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         i personally aspire to be a model , im young now , but my mom was a model too , and i love the idea of being just like her ..
         im already 5 9 , and only like 105 pounds
         some say , thats TOO skinny , but im healthy , ya my ribs show and i dont have a whole lotta meat on me but i have the perf curves and flawless tanned skin ..
         like just cause im thin doesnt mean im like dying ?!
         I AM A PERSON
         but its how IM BUILT . i dont do crash diets or anything ..
         just some are built super tiny , and others are built .. not so skinny . if skinny is what the fashion industry wants right now , its what it wants . str8 up . its NOT gonna change over night . gtfo , and get over it .
         did anyone ever think if the fashion industry was different , and wanted large girls , and there was ONE size zero shed be getting chirped right now , because her ribb showed on the runway ?
         youre either what they want , or what they dont ..
         for now , they want skinny , who knows what they want in ten years .. BE PATIENT
         
         oh and to the whole " airbrushed " thing .. UH NO
         ive seen before and after photos of pictures being put in mags and they dont look that different fyi . maybe some editors go overboard , but like , high end magazines .. dont ?
         everyones too jealous , the people are models , and put in magazines for a reason .. called SALES . youre more likely to buy a magazine with tyra banks on it .. then like , some ugly chick , face it .
         and to back that up ,
         a study was conducted a couple years ago , saying people are more likely to buy a magazine with the model on the front page in RED other then any other colour . this is because they stand out , and red is a beautiful colour , are we all gonna say were being mean to all the other colours ?! NO exactly , so like GROW UP , if you arent the model that was on the front cover of the magazine that was being chirped .. dont be worrying about it kay ..
         you CANT DO ANYTHING
         like , i get so angry when people say im stereotypical because im passionate for modeling
         pretty girls stand out . ugly ones dont , you cant change that .
         
         hott guys like hott girls
         ugly guys like ugly girls
         it balances out , and no ones died from being with someone thats actually the same as them ..
         so calm down ya little fuckers
         youre what ruins the positive energy of the fashion industry and the hopes and dreams of some girls , growing up wanting to be JUST like their mom ..
         thanks

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      sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      
      
      A bit of meat is much more beautiful than skin and bones.  Skin and bones chicks look like the walking dead.  yuk!

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      nadine_stowneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      No

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      nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Not at all. A perfect model in my opinion is a size 10. Yes the camera adds to ones appearance. However the models on tv. Takes that way out of per portion. They are too skinny, I think.

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Fash,
      
      As long as they look good men don't care.

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      lllisaxposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      lots of different shapes, its all beautiful

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         nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Seeing bones on women, teens, children, adults, is never beautiful. Seeing their really thin face is never beautiful.
         Actress needs to learn how much body fat (depending on their height). Their publishers are not doing well if they can't encourage their clients on how to long amazing on the camera. They should also realize they are icons. When they get to thin, they should worry. This is discouraging, in my opinion.

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       tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, I like to see models size 0.
       for normal full of flesh women, I have myself.

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          wsp2469posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          "Full of flesh"?
          I will behave tantrum.
          I am so ready to say something off-color though . . .
          let me tongue that belly button and I promise I won't say it.

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             tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Go ahead and say whatever.
             My belly button is sacred !

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                Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                I like your belly button.  Will you ever invite me over?  I am bored here.

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                   tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Do what you must !

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                      Bovine Currencyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Will you pick me up from the airport?

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                         tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         What airport ?
                         I was talking about something else !

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                         Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         If that is your pic; why not the face?

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                wsp2469posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Well, I think i should behave but i was gonna say something about being more than willing to make sure you were really "full of flesh" BUT I thought I would behave--so i am keeping my mouth shut.

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   chenmikehkposted 14 years ago

   I prefer curves. What is so attractive about a plank or a stick?

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      Karina S.posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with you. Plus it is not normal and not healthy.

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      starme77posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      nothing, actually , when I used to model, I thought I looked good, now I look back at the pics, some 60 pounds heavier now , I see I looked anorexic

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      Himitsu Shugishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'm with you. To me the most beautiful women are the ones that actually built like women...hips, legs, etc., etc.

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   CologneFragranceposted 14 years ago

   I personally think beauty comes in all shapes and sizes and should be seen for just that.

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   prettydarkhorseposted 14 years ago

   I am 5 '2 height, 100 lbs. I would love to see models just like me also, so that I can look and see if what products they are modeling would suit me. I dont know the reason why all models should be skinny, why not choose models with different sizes, so we have the option to choose which one best depicts us...in turn choosing the products that best suits us.
   
   The concept of beauty becomes commercialized too through the help of media. The thing "THIN is IN" is just crazy

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      maudine_05posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I agree, though Im size "0" 5'1 weighs about 95lbs. models should come in all sizes and forms, variety is the spice of life

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         prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         hey maudine, how are you? why are you always agreeing to what I say? same minds,  friends,

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            maudine_05posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Ha!ha!ha! Ok from now on, I'll try not to agree but argue with you Ok?

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   rebekahELLEposted 14 years ago

   size 0 is too small, they look ill, and most likely are. many of the rail thin models smoke or take drugs. it's not glamourous to be unhealthy in any size, shape or form.

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      nyliramposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      it is the best shape to put the clothes on, Easy to pin a bit here and there, but you can't put a garment on a large person easily, plus the garment usually doesn't look as good. But I am a statuesque 6 foot and weigh 70kg. so maybe I am a bit biased.

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         cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         it's all about the runway. these models are walking hangers, and they look good on the runway.
         
         a girl can look healthy and beautiful even if she has a little padding. too much in any direction is the problem.

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            Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            cos,
            
            You old pic was better,a nice face is wonderful.

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   Chloe Comfortposted 14 years ago

   I would rather see a real woman with real curves as opposed to the stick thin models. Too many women think they need to look super thin in order to be attractive. A big misconception that gives many young women today poor self esteem if they don't or can't compare. Love and accept yourself they way you are. Be happy in your own skin.

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   Poppa Bluesposted 14 years ago

   I love women in all shapes and sizes so no a little diversity would be fine!

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   Madame Xposted 14 years ago

   Take a look at the movie "The Devil Wears Prada" with Meryl Streep. It's a highly enjoyable review of the fashion industry and addresses this "skinny" issue. Lots of fun too
   
   And yeah, the media creates an impossible ideal, IMHO.

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   Black Lillyposted 14 years ago

   Don't know about US sizes, but UK size 10 is I think the best for a model. Can be extended to size 12 if the model is tall (e.g. 6'), and in very, very exceptional circumstances (in case of perfect proportion) up to size 14.
   For short girls, like 5'5, size 8 should be key.
   
   Healthy = BMI in the range of 18-25. If you're about 5'7 and size 14, most of the times you will be out of this range.
   
   I risk to get quite a lot of criticism here, but not everyone can be a model. Model should be someone more impressive than just any girl from the street.
   
   By the way,there was a huge scandal on London Fashion week recently, when one designer used size 16 models I think...
   They just don't look good on the catwalk, and that's a fact.

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    myownworldposted 14 years ago

    And may i also add, that it's not just models, but many celebrities (in films as well as on t.v.) too who border on size 0...or anorexia rather!...so the whole 'super skinny' idea is being reinforced in our minds, particularly young people's, as something glamorous and almost beautiful!

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    Poppa Bluesposted 14 years ago

    And if it's not bad enough that they use such skinny models, they are actually digitally retouching their pics to make them even skinnier to the point of freakish looking!
    
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne … INNER.html

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       myownworldposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       hell yes, it's almost like playing mind games with people and their idea of beauty! I don't know about men, but women are certainly becoming more critical of their own bodies and other women too...! Let's hope men still like some curves...!
       
       (and that link was unbelievable! )

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          Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          I'm a big fan of curves!

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             myownworldposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             I guessed as much from your poetry!!

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       rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       this is happening more and more. I have stopped buying fashion mags as they are all advertisements. and I am slender and tall, but these pics now are an insult to women. would be interesting to hear what the model herself thought of that grotesque image of herself.

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    Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago

    Being a size 0 is dangerously unhealthy! I would love to see more girls with curves and even different heights...they always have to be tall and super skinny. I say we get more curves on our models so that they look HEALTHY in magazines and who off styles that will compliment more women the same sizes and heights.

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    Ivorwenposted 14 years ago

    I honestly don't think most models are a size 0.  I am a 2, and I am smaller than most models I see in magazines and catalogs.  Sure, runway models are very thin, but they do not make up most of the models.

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    wesleycoxposted 14 years ago

    Models should not be a size zero.  They should be a comfortable size for them and model clothes that fit right.  With the right clothes big girls can look pretty dang sexy.  There is too much emphasize on being stick thin and quite frankly it is disturbing. 
    
    Check out http://hubpages.com/hub/female-body

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    Rosa Bergerposted 14 years ago

    I think models should have curves and look like normal, healthy people. Overweight people do not look healthy and neither do underweight people. It is one of those things that you know when you see it, even if you cannot always put it into words.

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    Stimpposted 14 years ago

    Keep in mind that ALOT of those magazine models...in addition to airbrushing are about 12 to 15 years old and who have not reached puberty yet.  My niece is absolutely gorgeous and a model....she has NO curves.  Look at those models....they are very very young.  Look at magazines like SHAPE where the people are like us...not some robotic anorexic symbol of what we call the American norm.  You will also find 10 year old girls today becoming anorexic to MEET that look and they can't.  It sucks.  Marilyn Monroe was a size 12 and she was absolutely beautiful.
    
    I strive to show my girls that exercise and good eating habits are the way to go....not to meet some other standard that the media has thrown in front of our eyes.
    
    BTW:  I've shown them pictures of these size 0 models and they were like "EEEEEEWWWWWWW, that's gross".  That's my girls!!!

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       Ivorwenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       A size 12 in Marilyn's day was much smaller than a size 12 today.  Look at the facts.
       
       Measurements of Marilyn Monroe
       
       Weight: varied from 118 - 140 pounds
       
       Height: About 5' 5"
       
       Measurements: About 36-22-36
       
       While curvaceous, she was far from large.

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          Stimpposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          You are right.  She was far from large.  I read an article that said she would be told to LOSE 20 lbs in order to make it today in the starlet arena.  Which I thought was ridiculous.

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             Ivorwenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Definitely ridiculous.

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    Denno66posted 14 years ago

    I find your adoration of very young girls disturbing.

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       Stimpposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I know right.....

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          Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          

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    blondepoetposted 14 years ago

    No no no no no no bring in bigger healthy realistic sized women. The media is killing our younger generation. Believe me I have suffered anorexia and it has to stop. That skinny underfed look is impossible for most women to achieve without some form of starvation, it is unhealthy and unattractive. Shame on the media !!!!!

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    Black Lillyposted 14 years ago

    what's "realistic sized healthy women"? measurements, weight, height - how you define it?

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       blondepoetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Any women with meat on her bones. I am not sure of the average size of most women. Size 12 onwards would be a great start.

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          Denno66posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Amen!

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          Black Lillyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          what about height? Size 12 for someone 5'3" and 6'0 is totally different..

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    rmcrayneposted 14 years ago

    I think very few humans would be healthy at size 0, therefore very few human beings should be a size 0.

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    Princessaposted 14 years ago

    Last month I participated in an experimental fashion show.  I am 1,60cm tall and around 57 kilos (depending on the time of the month!) which means I fit a European 38/40 so I was absolutely amazed when a friend designer asked me to take part in the show to model his clothes.  During the rehearsals other designers and shop owners saw me and asked me to wear their clothes too.  I was very surprised as I was the oldest and “roundest” of the group modelling.
    
    As a result after the fashion show, my friend designer and all the other ones for whom I was modelling were delighted.  A week later they had sold out all the dresses and underwear I wore. 
    The lesson to be learnt?  Women want to see women who resemble themselves in the catwalks.  If the model wears a size 38/40 like them, they do not feel intimidated to go and buy the dresses.  They know what the dresses are going to look like on them and feel that they can wear them too!

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       prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Hi Princessa, You are our Ms Model HP woman now!
       I agre with what you said. This is true! I am you average normal woman with 104 lbs, 5 '2 height, but when I look at some models, they are like  5'6 and up and 100-110 lbs, wow, can there be smaller ones so I can also see what those clothes may look like when i wear them!

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          Princessaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          It does make a big difference to see the clothes in someone that looks like you as opposed to someone who looks like 20cm taller and 10 kilos lighter.

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    Gabriella D'Antonposted 14 years ago

    This obsession with sizes is ridiculous!!!!!!!
    Size 0 (zero) is a total nonsense. What does it mean? Did the person vanished?
    I just wrote an article today " A Fashion Must: Fit versus Size"
    If you get a chance to read it, please let me know

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    B.C. BOUTIQUEposted 14 years ago

    absolutly not..I like being me..I enjoy having a curvey body and my DD's..I might be 5"3", but Im fine at 125 and I wouldn't want to loose my "ta ta's"
    
    so be it if I could never be accepted as a model, I dont need speed to look good and fill out a size 6 dress properly!

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       Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Bouncy-Bouncy!

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    thisisoliposted 14 years ago

    God no!
    
    I prefer women with some curves, basically the natural look.
    
    The stick figures on the catwalk are rarely that attractive to me, even less so when they put on the garbage that the designers make them wear.

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    thisisoliposted 14 years ago

    God no!
    
    I prefer women with some curves, basically the natural look.
    
    The stick figures on the catwalk are rarely that attractive to me, even less so when they put on the garbage that the designers make them wear.

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    thisisoliposted 14 years ago

    God no!
    
    I prefer women with some curves, basically the natural look.
    
    The stick figures on the catwalk are rarely that attractive to me, even less so when they put on the garbage that the designers make them wear.

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    thisisoliposted 14 years ago

    God no!
    
    I prefer women with some curves, basically the natural look.
    
    The stick figures on the catwalk are rarely that attractive to me, even less so when they put on the garbage that the designers make them wear.

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    kikolaniposted 14 years ago

    I think that advertisements should use a variety of sized models.  There are women of all sizes - 0's, 6's, 12's, and so on.  Every sized gal wants to see what clothing might look like on them.  It's hard to get that estimate if every piece of clothing is placed on a size 0 model.

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    Helen Caterposted 14 years ago

    There have been several occasions when I have been shopping and seen an outfit in a window display on a size 0 dummy. I check myself and walk away, because I think it's going to look bad on me. The point I am trying to make is most models wear clothes to sale to normal sized people. Normal people would not buy it because they think they are too fat for such outfits. If the people at the top looked at it in a more realistic way, they may have more sales. The clothes may look great on us, but we have been put off so much, and we do not wish to feel disapointed, so we don't bother trying it on.

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    Valerie Fposted 14 years ago

    What I think is interesting is how obesity is such a problem at a time when the media is so obsessed with the weight and figures of celebrities. So Tyra Banks puts on a few pounds. She's then accused of "letting herself go." But Angelina Jolie loses her baby weight, and the tabloids freak out about anorexia. The message from the media is that whether a girl is overweight, healthy, or underweight, she'll never measure up, so there's no point in any normal person to even try.

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       cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       right on!
       
       plus, i just wonder why no one cares when a man gains like a hundred pounds, is bald and just downright unattractive in general, while it is ingrained in we women from very young ages that we have to be perfect in every way. if you're pretty, people call you stupid. if you're successful, people assume you are homely, or, if you are pretty AND successful they wonder out loud who you did to get where you are. if you are homely, people assume you must be smart when you could actually be as dumb as a bag of hammers.
       
       i don't think size 0 really exists. when i was 12, i weighed 85 pounds and was THIN for a 12-year-old, and i wore a size 5 then. and that's a CHILD. i think women (and men) can be too fat and they can also be too skinny. there's this one emo kid in my neighborhood who walks past my window every morning on his way to school and he wears a ball cap and the same black hoody and black jeans and these huge shoes it always makes me chuckle because he is so skinny he looks like a Pez dispenser walking by.
       
       the problem is we are valued for our looks instead of appreciated for all of our qualities and accomplishments - something men freely enjoy even in this day and age.
       
       i think models on the catwalk have to be super tall and super skinny for the sake of the runway. they're like thorobreds or something. i never wanted to be them though, i was always happy being me.
       
       in addition to the media, women have to share some of the blame for starving themselves to look that way.

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    donotfearposted 14 years ago

    Heck no. They should be all sizes, average size 10. And that is that!

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    RKHenryposted 14 years ago

    I love my girl!  She's smart and she is plump!!  What's not to love about that?  Yum.
    
    I love you, Ashontai

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    Sanaryaposted 14 years ago

    even fried eggs are not as flat as some of today model!
    if you look back at some picture of models from the 50's, 60's , 70's they all have womanly curves.
    my question is how did we went from those beautifull women to our todays walking stick?

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    Leta Sposted 14 years ago

    This whole thread and reading it is testimony to obsession with womens' weight and looks.  It's really kinda weird.
    
    I'm not in the scrawny is in camp (most of the clothing design models are that thin because the designers prefer them that way--'clothes hangers' make the clothes look better), but neither am I in the 'normal' size is just fine camp.  Most of our quote, quote 'normal size' people anymore are over weight, and that's unhealthy--just a fact.
    
    All that being said, there are a natural range of sizes for people out there.  Healthy is good. There isn't much people can do about how they are built, though, either.  And the 'ideal' of any one age changes.

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    Rayalternatelyposted 14 years ago

    Current catwalk models will one day appear on "Ripley's Believe it or not" when the vagaries of the media adopt their next trend. It's all about conditioning and selling stuff. If you're unhappy with yourself, you're much more likely to buy tons of stuff you don't need in the vain effort to conform to this unrealistic, and frankly unhealthy goal.
    
    We are all what we are. As Public Enemy so eloquently put it, Don't believe the hype!

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    Denno66posted 14 years ago

    Um, that could be a hub.

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    Jonathan Jancoposted 14 years ago

    Models should be all shapes and sizes, just like we were created. As for my personal preferences, I don't like to look at women who look like skinny young boys.

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    esstat17posted 14 years ago

    I wonder to all models, they have tin heaps..why is that so

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    esstat17posted 14 years ago

    good threads..

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    Amandasofyorkposted 14 years ago

    I prefer curves, not 0 size. Stereotypical model types is fantasy of most.

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       beautyroseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       oh im hurt coz im skinny but skinny with nice but lols.

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       beautyroseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I am also skinny lols

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    beautyroseposted 14 years ago

    ohh I'm hurt coz im skinny. Yes skinny with a figure lols. But why there are guys who still likes slim women? *wink*

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    Gabriella D'Antonposted 14 years ago

    Nicole,
    
    By the way you write I believe you should be a model.
    
    Lose a few more pounds and make sure NOT to improve on your writing abilities and you will be JUST PERFECT as the next super-model

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    juliawinstonposted 14 years ago

    I think the idea of beauty and size is changing in western society. Just look at celebrities such as Beyonce, Tyra, J.Lo, etc. They all have curves! I don't think men like stick-thin women. A real woman has curves.

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    jennafawposted 14 years ago

    Well I used to be a personal trainer and I've been exposed to many sizes. Believe it or not numbers dont mean anything cause there are some beautiful bods that are a size 7-11 and you would never think they would be that size.

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    Beth100posted 14 years ago

    Models should not be "stick skinny" but a healthy weight for their heights (proper BMI).  I have been a size 0 (even a 00), and I was no stick.  I had curves and was perfectly healthy.  My understanding from my model friends is that there are regulations regarding weight and BMI for runway models.  There have been several cases where the models have been denied because they were deemed underweight.  One was only one pound and she was not allowed onto the runway that evening.  This type of regulation brings some hope into believing that models will eventually emulate the reality of all body types and weights.

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    Bredaviesposted 14 years ago

    I just quit modeling because of this size stuff! Its dumb and unrealistic

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       Harvey Stelmanposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Bre,
       
       YOU can still do head shots.

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    tappleposted 14 years ago

    Models should be all shapes and sizes it shouldn't just be one size or one prefered over the other, thats what I think

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    PromoTomposted 14 years ago

    its a ridiculous media creation that I wish would change ASAP... variety is the spice of life

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    donotfearposted 14 years ago

    No, all models should NOT be a size zero. They should all be size 10 or over!

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    Bredaviesposted 14 years ago

    I wrote a hub about what happens to girls who aren't that size and model http://hubpages.com/hub/Theeasywaytolive

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