Google Panda Versus Suite 101 Algorithm Changes Disgruntle Authors

Hubpages Has Taken Action To Improve Standing With Google

Hubpages has taken a strategic step forward after the impact reduced views and ratings with the Google Search Engine. And, if you write for Hubpages, please follow these instructions before the month of July ends to retain your brand and user name.

Hubpages will transition to creating 'subdomains' for each author. That means your good works will be graded and noted by Google. Hopefully, as a result Hubpages will be in the good graces of SEO, as Google recognizes 'people' within the community, rather than spammed popular topics by unoriginal poorly written articles.

Good Writers Get Bumped

Suite 101 got their writers hands tied in early 2011

Like Ezine, Hubpages, Scribd,, and many other platforms where authors express themselves, demonstrate their writing talents, and educate the public on a variety of niche topics, Suite 101 provides a work space for great authors. They are concerned much more with quality, as opposed to quantity.

Just when things are going along smoothly, ReadWriteWeb gives the lowdown on the statistics as Suite 101 climbs the content ladder, "BAM!" Google changes the algorithms and their readership plummets 94%. Is that possible? Was that tricky manipulation? What's going on there?

The comments on the ReadWriteWeb blog posted by Suite 101 authors demonstrate that the requirements for quality work requires authors to fulfill certain steps on each article. Hubpages expects authors to post original work and we get nailed if the copy has lifted material or content from other areas of the net. Over at Suite 101 they actually have editors checking each piece for accuracy and literacy. Pretty neat, but I bet also frustrating to jump the hurdles.

By changing the algorithm, Google has purposely manipulated the search engine ratings to raise the ranking of eHow. What do you say to that? We know that everything that runs in the background can change what comes up on the public computer screens. Just like the war over at YouTube when they started to feature their paying customers and star videos, the little guy lost their visibility.

  • *According to Sistrix, Suite basically lost 94% of its rank.

Just check out some of these quality writers

  • Jill Stefko has expertise in the paranormal including: parapsychology, cryptozoology, Fortean phenomena, anomalies, UFOs, earthbound spirit releasement, attachment, possession and depossession, aliens and demonic possession and exorcism which some consider a religious subject.
  • Lena Gott published her first e-book, "How to Make Money on"
  • Karen Berger has an extensive bio. Karen Berger is a writer currently focusing on travel, the outdoors, the environment, global health, music, and the business of being self-employed. She is the author of 15 books, including Backpacking and Hiking: An Eyewitness Companion (DK, 2005), which has been published in American and European editions in 12 languages. Her most recent book, The Complete Idiot's Guide to Piano Exercises was published by Alpha Penguin in January, 2011.
  • Mia Carter professional pet care writer, journalist and Suite101's Mind & Soul editor. I highly recommend you take a look at all she does on the internet. Definitely a "Jill of all trades."
  • Daniel Workman, a prolific writer on international trade articles attracts about 4 million page views per year. Drawing on over 30 years of experience crafting international trade and insurance documentation.
  • Joy Butler has been writing for Suite 101 since 2001. That's a really long time! Her two passions, writing and animals, merged in the ebook, In the Hearts of Beasts, which showcases the extraordinary courage and compassion of animals.
  • Bonny Albo, like many Suite 101 writers, do ghost writing for many other people. Bonny Albo is a full time freelance writer and copywriter, who has been writing for twenty years for newspapers, television, new media, Internet, and print.
  • Melanie Zoltan has such a high profile and incredible biography with a list of reputable and professional venues that it is impossible not to say glowing remarks about her work. She taught U.S., World, and Latin American History and government courses for Bay Path College, Nichols College, and Carnegie Mellon University. Her writing has appeared in print and online since 1986, for publishers and clients that include PC World, The Washington Post, Boston Globe Magazine, Bay State Parent, Today's Parent, Thomson Gale, W.W. Norton, Pearson, Lerner Media, Prentice Hall, ToysRUs, EBSCO, and more. She also writes for Continuing Education with, owned by The New York Times Co.


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Number Crunchers: Who Lost in Google Algorithm

Suite 101 is not the only loser. Hubpages ranks right up there with many other "content mills" as they call us. I think they better take a closer look at the top notch writers, the experience and the training that many of the authors have to be adding to the body of work on the internet. We are in the 5 top losers category:


I will say, that the trash and rehashed, poorly worded, grammatically incorrect and down right poor spelling on many pages abound. But, I don't believe the majority fall into that category.

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BobbiRant 5 years ago from New York

I did a hub once about the 'free and open Internet' being threatened by Google and no one paid attention. Now all who write WILL get to pay the price for it. NO ONE seems to 'get it' until it's actually happening to them. Great hub, let's see if anyone gets it. This could have been stopped by people writing the FCC because Google wanted to partner with Verizon and charge people big bucks to get their content to the top of the heap. Seems by writing a new program (Zuckerberg: "I wrote a NEW program, I didn't steal yours)works well with Google, only with Google it's: "We aren't charging Directly so the Internet is still free and open." A technicality at best for Google. Funny thing, Google got so powerful Because of the free and open Internet concept now they want to squelch our chances. "Do no harm" my behind.

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Debby Bruck 5 years ago Author

Dear BobbiRant ~ You saw it coming and the rest of us had our eyes closed. I better shuffle off and read your hubs. What will happen next? Do you have a prediction? Blessings, Debby

Barbi Trejo 5 years ago

Thank you Debby for understanding the truth about Suite. Suite is a wonderful place to write and there are hundreds of extremely qualified writers there. The ones you listed are only a few of the very best.

You may not know this but Lena Gott is a super star at Suite and she made $5000 in one month based on her SEO skills, geez I am in awe.

I am a writer on Suite and have 164 articles there and I am very saddened that some us will pay the price for this. Our pvs and income dropped drastically two days ago with the changes.

So again I thank you for a wonderful article Debby. I wish more would read this and learn.

Barbi Trejo

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Fossillady 5 years ago from Saugatuck Michigan

thank you for sharing this info Debby. i'm not very savvy when it comes to internet blogging and have lots to learn!

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BobbiRant 5 years ago from New York

The only thing I can predict is just what is happening right now. I used to belong to a site called, it is not good at all, but the owner Ben Ogden (you can Google him) is a millionaire so of course it gets listed high on Google because I'm sure Ben pays a good buck for it to do so. Facebook is nothing, no writers there either, but Zuckerberg too has money to spend. I will probably concentrate on writing my books and may just give up on making money on writing sites in the near future. I belong to blogger which is owned by Google but no one ever goes there and so no comments or looks for some odd reason.

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Debby Bruck 5 years ago Author

Hello FossilLady ~ I love your name. My husband would say, "Troglodyte" for the connection to the ancient past and not moving into the 21st century with all this technology. Everyone has a lot to learn, and at the pace everything moves full speed ahead, I'm afraid we will never catch up.

Hello BobbiRant ~ I appreciate your comments, wisdom and advice from your long term experience on the net. Quite sad the way it will work out to dismiss so many writers who had been encouraged to give all they had to these articles, just to be taken advantage of by the bigwigs. Please keep in touch and let me know what happens next. Love, Debby

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juneaukid 5 years ago from Denver, Colorado

A very interesting hub. I have not yet felt the sting as a Suite101 writer, but will probably. Thanks for the alert

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suziecat7 5 years ago from Asheville, NC

I really don't understand the whole thing. Thanks for the info.

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Debby Bruck 5 years ago Author

Hello JuneauKid ~ Are you an author over at Suite101, too? Wow! It's more than enough to keep up with Hubpages.

Hello SuzieCat7 - This is all news to me too. Basically, many long time authors on these literary websites called content mills make a living by earning money from adsense and other sales from their readership. With Google changing the algorithms, their pages on those types of sites, like Hubpages, do not show up in Google when people search for their tagged topics. Thus, the other websites linked to Google, like YouTube and eHow will get all the readers, sales and business. Hope that helps.

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suziecat7 5 years ago from Asheville, NC

Thanks, Debby.

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Cogerson 5 years ago from Virginia

Very informative hub....trying to understand their algorithms seems like a full time job...thanks for all the information and clearing up a few things I was wondering about...

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Rebecca E. 5 years ago from Canada

interesting take, thus far I have not seen too much drop in traffic however, my main source of traffic does not come from Google, rather from Yahoo, and MSN, so as ofright now nothng, but I do see some changes, hopefully things will work out.... Bobbi Rant sent me here so you can thank her!

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Debby Bruck 5 years ago Author

Hello Cogerson ~ I see you are now visiting my Hubpages. There is plenty of reading, mostly about health and healing. Algorithms make no sense to me at all. The same for the Hubpages algorithms for your ratings. Who knows?

Dear Rebecca ~ Very kind of Bobbi to recommend this article. Thanks for you input. Please continue to report your findings. We would like to know. Blessings, Debby

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jasoncox83 5 years ago from Ohio

Hello Debby, yet another Suite101 writer here also...Many of us was shot over here via the forums on Suite lol. As for multiple sites, many of us write for multiple as to not put all our eggs in one basket (Like what happened to Ehow.) Personally I write for Suite, then HP, then AC the combo of those three provide (or did) a fairly decent income. Now adays though it's hard to say what will happen. All we can do now is wait it out, and see what happens over the next few weeks/months.

**Note To Remember**

We go through this every year as Google has announced that they do over 400 changes per year. Hang tight and hope for the best is all we can do.

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Debby Bruck 5 years ago Author

Hello Jason ~ It's good to know we are all connected as writers supporting each other and finding ways to overcome challenges and changes. Blessings, Debby

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Rebecca E. 5 years ago from Canada

Debby-- just a quick report, my goole is normal, however, e-zine is down, so you are well within your suspicions about the "losers" Still, in the long run I am certain that things wille ven out for many with quality content ( I am big on the concept of quality content =))

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Debby Bruck 5 years ago Author

Hello Rebecca ~ After rethinking the situation and deciding to put a positive spin on the situation, you may be correct that quality authors will remain on top. Good luck! Debby

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crystolite 5 years ago from Houston TX

Pretty nice hub you have in here.

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Hello, hello, 5 years ago from London, UK

Thank you for informin gme about all these changes. Tocut these articles mills I agree but to cut good sites is not right.

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Debby Bruck 5 years ago Author

Crystolite and Rich ~ Welcoming your comments. Blessings, Debby

Mia Carter 5 years ago

Hi Debby!

Thanks for the mention. ;-)

Many know me through Suite101, where I'm an editor and longtime writer, so many know me as a SEO/web writing junkie! I live and breathe this stuff, so most probably won't be surprised when I say that I did a *lot* of statistical analysis following the so-called "Panda" algorithm change.

I found something very significant when analyzing the data from my websites, which did take a 10-15% hit in traffic. But oddly, my content's standing in the search results (SERPS) remained the same or improved! So what gives?

It took a bit of digging, but I ultimately found that I lost a lot of traffic from incoming links, especially on my coupon website. This comprised more traffic than I ever really realized. Basically, I was getting a fair amount of traffic from incoming links on blogs/sites that publish a brief blurb and a link (I'm sure you know the type of site.) Google's algorithm change really affected those sites, as they basically "piggyback" other sites with actual content! Those piggyback sites lost traffic, so I lost traffic from the incoming links.

I suspect this also adversely impacted my site's pagerank because when another site's pagerank declines, the value of an incoming link from that site decreases. Multiply that by hundreds (or thousands in the case of S101, Hubpages, etc.), and it can have a significant impact on a site's performance in SERPS and even pagerank!

So I found that interesting. My sites clearly comply with Google's vision of "quality" content, as they were not adversely affected in terms of their standing in the SERPS. But Google's demotion of thousands of other sites still managed to have an adverse impact on my "quality" site!

In the end, I chalk it up to the "game" that is the interwebs. It's an ever-evolving animal. Just think of the web of 2001 vs. the web of 2011 -- tons of changes and lots of evolution.

That said, as a web writer, I fully understand and accept that my material will rise and fall in terms of its performance. What performs well today may be at the bottom of the pile in 10 years time. I understand that. I accept that. I can only keep writing and evolving as a writer.

I find solace in the fact that my web articles earn much more than they'd ever earn in print. My top earning article to date has earned more than $3,500 in 18 months. That one article took about 15 minutes to write! Nowhere else can I earn $14,000/hour! *LOL*

Certainly, that article is a rarity, but my per article earning average is much higher than the print rate. So at the end of the day, I can honestly say I've been paid well for my time and effort.

I guess my take-home message is this: The only thing that's certain is that the web will evolve. Sometimes it's for the better, and sometimes it's not in our favor. We can only accept the changes, evolve our work and move forward.

Unlike most other web writers, this is what I *do* for a living. **All** of my income comes from my web writing and editing work for Suite101. I've found that acceptance of the ever-changing web and evolving my work are the two things that I can do to remain sane!

It's the name of the game, I guess. ;-)

-Mia Carter

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Debby Bruck 5 years ago Author

Dear Mia ~ You have provided insight more than the general run-of-the-mill writer like myself who simply writes for the passion of learning, spreading a bit of information, educating others, forming friendships and becoming part of community.

Your years of experience and development, with the background to understand the analytics and statistics teaches us a bit of patience, acceptance, and to ask ourself the motivation for our work as authors. Hopefully, we will all improve our writing skills along the way. Blessings, Debby

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TelsHub 5 years ago from Australia

Hi Debby,

I'm honoured to be included in the list of admirable fellow Suite writers you mentioned. Thanks (and to Barbi, too.) That's right, many of us have been extremely affected by Google's Panda algorithm. It hurts.

At least after four weeks, many of my articles are settling back where they sat at Google's juices pre-Panda. This is one moment in time when I have to thank my numerous articles with lower CPCs; they were the ones that carried through my PVs and a bit of shared revenue the past weeks (better than nothing.)

Btw, I've recently joined HubPages as part of my plans to diversify.

Well, Deb, indeed, it's imperative to accept the ever-changing web ~ if we need to thrive as online freelance writers.

And speaking of quality, a Greek Proverb comes to mind ~ either we dance well or quit the ballroom. G'day!

All the best,


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mechanicaldesign 5 years ago

What is the suite 101 algorithm? How its affect in seo? please suggest me. I have not heard about google panda and suite 101. It's new google trend?

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Debby Bruck 5 years ago Author

MechanicalDesign - Please click the link above to ReadWriteWeb website that gives a good explanation: Suite101 is a publishing platform that hosts articles about niche topics. These articles compete with book publishers for market share, as people now simply google for educational information, instead of purchase books. Personally, I'm not quite sure this is 100% accurate. People still like to have books. However, E-books have taken a bite out of purchases. As its name implies, Suite101 focuses on '101' style writing - beginners articles on thousands of topics and also as a service that helps writers be successful online. These content mills, like Suite101 have multi-thousands of writers and numerous language sites to reach people in many countries. I hope this explanation is helpful. Read in more detail on the link above.

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whoisbid 5 years ago

I did an experimental site before Panda (whoisbid) and even predicted Panda in the site itself. It took nine months and over 250 pages of unique content. Not that my content is particularly good but it is unique and there is not a single paragraph or image copied from anywhere else. I wanted to see if Google values unique content. I found out the answer and have adjusted my views. I don't want to tell people the answer if they don't engage me as an internet friend. What is the point of working for 9 months and giving your blood, sweat and tears away for free?

I am also responsible for a ton of other internet property and they were all hit by Panda and lost a percentage of traffic. The worst hit was the best site and 40% of visitors are lost. Fortunately that site does not depend 100% on Google and some people go there simply because it is GOOD. I had a University send me an email recently asking me if they could use some of the content as part of a special course so I KNOW that the site is very useful, even if Googlebot thinks it should be punished.. The site seems to be picking up slowly despite Panda downgrading it. I am not updating it and I am just going to leave it. Why? Because what is the point of improving something when it is ALREADY very good? You improve it and then you get punished by some new algorithm. Oh! .. Yes!

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Debby Bruck 5 years ago Author

Dearest Whoisbid ~ With no rhyme or reason you just have to do your best work. Be persistent. Make good contacts. Make Friends. Everyone helps each other. Here is something special for you. Blood Sweat & Tears – Spinning wheel @Whoisbid ? HUGS Debby

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molometer 5 years ago

People actually make a living from writing on the web? What have I been doing? Dooh! what a great hub, very interesting. I will be reading more. Thanks. Voted up UI

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Debby Bruck 5 years ago Author

Hello Michael ~ I guess you're now on your way to ride the wave. I didn't tell you it would be easy. More like paddle, paddle out to sea, before you can climb on the board and sail in to shore. Debby

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molometer 5 years ago

Thanks Debbie I have put on my arm floatation supports and am paddling as I write.

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Debby Bruck 5 years ago Author

Hi Michael. I'm laughing now that you clung on to the metaphors. It seems that with the new Hubpages very own income stream, we are all doing much better than with Google Adsense alone. Consistency. Excellence. Keep writing.

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