Why Windows 8 might Kill Microsoft


I hope you didn't erupt into laughter and spill coffee all over your keyboard when you read my title. I certainly hope you didn't snort hot liquid out your nostrils, either.

I realize this might sound preposterous. Multi, multi billion dollar Microsoft go out of business? Microsoft, with 92% operating system market share? THAT Microsoft? Some link bait, right?

Yeah, we've all had a good laugh and now I should take that back and say I didn't mean it and next time you'll be sure to put your coffee down before visiting any of my pages again.

Except I'm not going to take it back. I'm deadly serious.


Some people might say I'm a dreamer

But I'm not the only one.. John Lennon was talking about world peace and the end of religion. You might be easily forgiven if you assessed Microsoft's chances of going belly up as only slightly more likely than what that song imagined. Heck, you might be forgiven for thinking it's even less likely!

But I am serious, and I am not the only one. Try this: Google (or Bing, for now anyway) "Will Windows 8 kill Microsoft" in quotes. I got a bit over 31,000 results. This is a serious matter.

Why? Why do I and quite a few others see Windows 8 as dangerous?

One simple sentence really sums it up: Microsoft itself sees Windows 8 as its only hope.

The Cloud and the darn tablets

Cloud computing has Microsoft sweating bullets. That, and tablets. The two together are very scary stuff if you are a Microsoft executive.

Google Docs is a good example of cloud computing and it is one that is aimed square at Microsoft's bread and butter: Microsoft Office. As I write this, Google and Microsoft are both bidding on a contract with IBM. If Google wins that, Microsoft loses out on a lot of Office license sales.

But even if Google doesn't win this time, IBM did consider their bid. That means that Google could win next time and it also means that other companies will at least think about going with Google rather than Microsoft.

That's bad enough, but it gets worse. If you are using Google Docs, why would you need a Microsoft operating system? You don't - Mac or Linux will do just fine. Microsoft is already slowly losing ground to Linux in the business server space and losing home desktops to Apple. Losing the Office applications market would only accelerate that trend.

Desktops are losing out to tablets and smart phones, too. Microsoft killed its own tablet, providing an excellent example of how big companies can eat their own young. But that doesn't mean Microsoft doesn't see the threat. Many home users are discovering that their smart phone and a tablet are all they really need. It's not just home users: I know of businesses where sales people get iPads, not desktop computers. Tablets are a big threat to Microsoft.


Windows 8 is a tablet operating system. Well, that's silly, because Microsoft doesn't make a tablet, but it's easy to see that its purpose is strongly oriented toward tablets.

Look at this screen shot. That's Windows 8 running on my Mac under Parallels virtualization.

Windows 8
Windows 8


Those tiles just begged to be swiped. Not only that, but many of them are updating themselves from the Cloud. Microsoft sees the future and Windows 8 is their way to get there.

There are just a few teeny, weeny problems that could get in the way..

No Microsoft Tablet

They killed that, remember? But so what? There's no "Microsoft" computer - other people build the hardware and Microsoft sells them the operating system.

Well, except that other folks are selling tablets now. Apple is selling millions of iPads every month. Dozens of other folks are selling Android tablets and Amazon is introducing a very low priced tablet itself. There are a very few tablets running Windows now, but they represent less than 5% of tablet sales.

Microsoft is very late to market.

Do you want that interface on your desktop?

Not everyone is going to abandon their keyboards and 27 inch screens. Not everyone is going to want to give up their mouse and smear their fingers across a big touch screen. Many people like things just as they are, thank you anyway.

Those people will hate Windows 8.

Developers may hate it more

You see, Windows 8 developers have been told that their years of hard gained knowledge in Windows development is about to go away. The skills they'll need for Windows 8 are HTML5 and JavaScript.

Coincidentally, those are handy skills for iPad and Android and Kindle.. which are already selling and already have millions of users. So, you are a developer and all your old skills just got tossed out. Pull in that belt buckle and learn the new ways.. for what? For Windows 8? More likely that many will just move to where the money already is.

At the end of the day

Sure, Microsoft might pull this off. Obviously they think they can, and maybe they really are "too big to fail". It's also obvious that they really have not much choice - they need a piece of the mobile market and they aren't going to get it with Windows 7.

But is it really necessary to make desktops and tablets identical? Apple hasn't done that - they do seem to be moving in that direction with Lion, but Lion is distinctly different from IOS 5 (that's what runs their iPads and iPhones).

Maybe seeing Apple hint about merging IOS and Lion is what makes Microsoft think they need to get in the first punch and beat Apple at their own game? If so, I wonder if those Apple hints will turn out to be the most clever thing Apple has ever done. Maybe they want Microsoft to ruin its desktop and let Apple be poised to sell to millions of disgusted ex-Microsoft owners?

I don't know. I do know that Windows 8 is a big risk and I bet Microsoft knows it too.

Update

Ray Ozzie was one of the top people at Microsodt.

His recent take on Windows 8 is very telling:

"In any industry, if people look at their own needs, and look at the products and say, 'I understand why I had it then, and I want something different', they will not have as good a future. It's too soon to tell."

Another update is "Fear and Loathing and Windows 8 (Or: Why Windows 8 Scares Me -- and Should Scare You Too)" which is an in-depth look at everything that might very well go wrong.


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redwards01 5 years ago from Bermuda

I believe, quite subtly, that Windows 8 is a terrible desktop OS. The points you bring up are very true, and I would also like to use W8 on a tablet.

Running it on my 2011 MBP with Virtual Box


Sophia Angelique 5 years ago

Very interesting. I would hate to type on a tablet.


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Pcunix 5 years ago from SE MA Author

You can use an external keyboard.. But the onscreen is fine for casual use.


Sophia Angelique 5 years ago

Tony, it's not the keyboard. I don't mind typing on the keyboard. It' that I touch type and I don't want to have to lean over the screen. Unless, of course, I put the tablet on its side and type on the keyboard and see what I type that way.


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Sue Adams 5 years ago from Andalusia

A bit technical for me... All I know from personal experience is that all my friends who use Mac say that it is far superior to Windows and strongly recommend I switch over to a Mac when I buy my next computer.


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Pcunix 5 years ago from SE MA Author

I would recommend that also.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

EXTREMELY interesting. I'd assumed from the moniker that you knew your stuff - and I'm so ignorant that even if you don't, you'll likely always have me fooled.

I ....don't care about all those silly pocket gadgets. I want a phone to be a phone. I don't want a computer in my pocket - I want speakers and a big monitor hooked to my computer, and I like a mouse, and a keyboard in my lap!


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Pcunix 5 years ago from SE MA Author

There are rumors now that they may ONLY put this on tablets. If true, they got a whole bunch smarter suddenly.


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Wesman Todd Shaw 5 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

I sure hope so. I'm a dedicated....tower man.

I've got a nice XP pro svc pack III...yada yada system....but I want one with one monster hard drive..or two, so that I can ....give unbuntu, or something like that a try. :-D


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KBEvolve 5 years ago from United States

Sometimes you just can't improve on a good thing. That's why I still like XP. Although Win 7 is better than Vista.


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Pcunix 5 years ago from SE MA Author

And XP is much more prone to malware..


true 4 years ago

Sorry to disapoint you but tais article is not correct....you are making mistakes on market segmentation and man.other stuff....dont have thé time to explain all....also please please please....point the ressources rom where pop out your points of view....otherwise it does not worth anything


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

You are not disappointing me, but i suspect you have an unrealistic bias.

It seems that Microsoft may be well aware of the danger. There are rumors that Win 8 will only be for tablets and the like, not for desktops and servers.

We'll see.


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akshaysulakhe 4 years ago from Germany

WEll,ur all wrong regarding many things here. First of all,m not a M$ advocate.m a linux user and consultant,so i need to keep tab on all things related to Operating systems. That said,development is necessary. Now, MS is just late in the market space of tablets. It doesn't mean they will loose,it just means,they have to take more efforts to get everything running smoothly. There is a good reason they purchased skype,they have office 365/sharepoint,and now a tablet interface. Temme,what more do business people will look for? Also,dont forget windows phone,and u can sync every data from ur desktop to windows phone and windows tablet. This is like a package deal. And people who dont want this interface can switch to normal windows 7 interface with a click of a button. HTML5 and JS are just needed for these UI apps.i dont remember what they are called. C sharp is there,and it remains. Its not abandoned. Apple doesnt need HTML or JS,it needs objective C,which is a difference form of C programming language. Android needs java,and xml for storage,please dont confuse java script and java,both are different beasts. Kindly research a bit more before writing pages. No offense intended. Regards, Akshay Sulakhe :-)


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

No offense taken. You haven't said anything that has any meaning, so why should I take offense?


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akshaysulakhe 4 years ago from Germany

I would so much stress on the words research,u wont believe it.... :-) and i code android too..my frends work in IOS...seriously,research....again,no offense.. :-)


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

No offense taken. No respect given either :-)


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redwards01 4 years ago from Bermuda

The metro UI is not the best interface and the classic desktop does not have the full Windows 7 experience


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

Of course it doesn't. Mr. "Research" is talking through his hat.


chase 4 years ago

So yeah. I used the dev preview from when it launched to about 3 days ago. It is going to ruin a power users day for like a whole minute from when they have to click on the desktop button to get to the desktop. Everybody else will be okay with the tablet home screen. If it really bugs you a simple edit can turn on windows 7. so please chillax. I swapped back to xp for a minute to play through the 2010 AVP and plan to go back to win 8 as soon as I am done.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

No, "everybody else" will not be ok and no, you can't just "turn on" Windows 7".


wyoung1977 4 years ago

We software developers have been being told that client/server applications are dying and everything is going "web" for ten years. It hasn't died out yet. As noted, the core languages to write the UI software for many platforms are still alive and well C, Objective C, Java. C# (A Microsoft created language similar to C) is so popular it's ported to Linux with Mono, MonoTouch for the iPhone and iPad, and even MonoDroid. Microsoft has a stripped down version of Office online already which works on desktops and smartphones!

Windows Vista was a miserable failure they learned from and I seriously doubt are dumb enough to make the same mistake twice. Microsoft is good at adapting to survive. They have a little database system called SQL Server and Windows Servers needed to run it. Yes, I'm an MS developer and not ashamed to admit it but that doesn't mean I won't be using one of those platforms listed above someday. I also have asp.net, CSS, and jQuery development skills to fall back on.

Macs have used Intel chips and been able to run Windows for years, either through a VM or a dual boot system. Why? Because even Mac people still need Windows. Windows 7 isn't going anywhere soon it will just be a gradual progression to 8 unless like mentioned it's a failure like Vista and XP stays around for years, Windows 7 could do the same.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

Except that it won't stay. Tablets are replacing pc's and if Microsoft can't enter that market, they are done. That's why Win 8 is so critical and they know it.


wyoung1977 4 years ago

That's how you underestimate Microsoft. They entered the phone market late and now have at least 12 phones or more available. What makes you think they can't bring tablets into the market?


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

12 phones that almost nobody owns.

I'm not saying they can't. I'm saying they HAVE to and if they screw it up, it is over for them.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

You know what pisses me off? I SAID all that above, but you didn't bother to read it. You just jumped to leave a comment..


wyoung1977 4 years ago

You didnt have to say it but its been your insinuation all along My point was tablet/Windows 8 sales alone isn't going to "kill" Microsoft anytime soon.

There are many things about Win8 you either don't know about or aren't mentioning. 1) A Win7 theme which is what I think a previous poster alluded to, not that you could physically switch back to Win7. 2) USB 3.0 support. 3) Windows Store for an app market. 4) Windows to go from a USB stick. 5) Refresh and Reset. 6) Link to a user's Windows Live ID to share settings and files between machines.

Office is already in the cloud but full Office offers more features than Google Docs. Salesmen buying iPads isn't affecting the multitude of power users, corporate users, and gamers that still rely on Windows and that isn't changing anytime soon regardless of Win8's success which is now looking more probable. Certain Linux (which I like BTW) and Mac/IOS users will stay in their denial bubbles as they always have.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

Blah, blah. I've used it. Win 7 theme isn't Win 7 - not even close.

Microsoft knows far better than you do how dangerous tablets are to its business. Yes, tablets ARE being used in business and at home and it matters - whether you know it or not.


Anonymous 4 years ago

PcUnix. No offense... you are an idiott. I love Apple. And I like windows. Also meddled with Ubuntu but it wasn't for me. Microsoft isn't going anywhere because of how cheap PCs are. Macs are simply too expensive for games and for the majority of folks. And when i say the majority I speak of people both inside and outside the US,from other countries which are not as wealthy. One thing apple has never been able to do is offer a computer that is AFFORDABLEEEEEE....Their cheapest is a netbook that starts at 999US. Sure the ipad isn't bad but it still is very pricey when u can get a very good fully blown laptop for 400US. Furthermore there are plenty netbooks out there and ultrabooks that are about to release which should run very fast on Windows 8 considering the requirements to run windows 8 are less than windows 7. Microsoft has the majority of the computer market worldwide. That is a fact. Unless Apple drastically drops their prices, chances are Microsoft is here to stay. And the fact that Windows 8 will be able to shift back to the older interface for users like myself who loves desktops is a plus.They are combining both worlds which i for one don't see as a bad thing. If Microsoft were to NOT try something like windows 8, i for one believe it would have been their downfall. They acknowledge tablets, and this is their reply. No I do not work for Microsoft or Apple. I am just lucky enough to own a PC desktop that i built, and an ipad that i had to save up for a very long time to buy. Again i stress that Microsoft has the majority of the market for computers worldwide.

Apple charge a premium for their product. And they have a right to. Because they offer beautiful products. But the fact is the majority of people cant afford an apple product. And as a result, it is that vast majority that would keep Microsoft alive.

I for one think that Microsoft is heading in the right direction.


Anonymous 4 years ago

I've read your article and all the comments and to be honest it appears that you seem biased and have it out for microsoft. You completely dismissed wyoung1977 who made some valid points. It's always a good idea to be objective when writing articles.

All the best.


Anonymous 4 years ago

I apologize for using the word idiot. That was wrong of me. But your attitude to others making valid points and simply pointing out why your article isn't realistic, was uncalled for. And your attitude pissed me off.. They suggested that you do more research. They weren't trying to offend you.

Cheers


Anonymous 4 years ago

Microsoft doesn't ''Have'' to do anything. Even if they didn't come up with windows 8, they would be fine. If they chose to bring a touch interface in windows 9 for instance. They still hold a huge majority and would be just fine. And people aren't going to abandon their Pcs and laptops anytime soon. For engineers who use Autocad. Software like Matlab. CPU intense programs like photoshop and other programs like 3d Studio MAX all require a PC and cannot be done by a tablet.Gamers aren't about to abandon PCs anytime soon. Maybe in the future the PC/laptop/Tablet will merge into one and eventually Tablets will 'replace' Laptops and PCs. But realistically PCs and laptops are here to stay for a long time. And Windows will be their operating system simply because it is easier for the average user to use in comparison to linux and is more available due to price for the general public. It has been around for a long time and the majority is comfortable with windows.

I'm not saying linux is bad. But for the average person who isn't very technical, Linux is a nono. The only reason companies started using linux is due to the fact that it is free and more cost effective but the average person isn't about to convert to linux. And As i have outlined above OSX is available to everyone due to cost which is a pity really.

Apple, Google and Linux may put a dent in Microsoft's profits, but they aren't gonna take them down. At least not anytime soon.


Anonymous 4 years ago

'OSX isn't available due to cost'*


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

Sigh. Naive people, naive comments.


anonymous 4 years ago

If you say so. We can argue about this all day. I'm simply saying that your article seems unrealistic. They came back from a disaster such as vista. And windows me was also terrible. They are still around. Windows xp was pretty good and windows 7 is much better than vista. I guess only time will tell whether Microsoft will be ahead of the game this time next year. Ideally apple would drop their prices and everyone would switch to them. But that is but a dream because we all know apple do not cater for the average person. 20 years ago the price of a Mac was 4000us while pcs were selling for half that price around 2000 to 2500us. I understand they are more expensive for a reason. Custom hardware and whatnot. But a 15onch MacBook pro in this time is 1700us when u can get a computer with similar specs for as little as 500us. Sure the computer may not be as smooth as a Mac and as polished wrt to its OS. But it gets the job done. It's really unfortunate because Mac OsX are ahead of the game in terms of stability and Linux may be as well. But the best product doesn't always come out on top. Marketing and pricing is a bigger part of the game. I'm into audio and that is clearly seen with Bose. U can pick any headphones at random within the same price range and they will sound much better than a Bose headphones. But because of their aggressive marketing strategy they remain in the game. They won't even publish the specs of their headphones. A sennheiser hd238 will sound way better than a Bose OE. 60$ vs 179$ . Marketing has a huge role to play in the survival of companies and history has shown us that Microsoft is good at it and indeed adaptable.

Although unrealistic I can see where you are coming from.

In the end time will tell .

Cheers


wyoung1977 4 years ago from Alabama

Chrome OS laptops were a huge fail for Google.

One word. Ultrabook. Windows oriented and they'll seriously cut Apple MacBook Air sales. Don't believe me?

Asus Zenbook UX31 review: Is this the first real PC alternative to the MacBook Air?

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-po...

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/laptops/1288024/asu...

ASUS Zenbook UX31 Review: MacBook Air Killer?

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=6...

Lenovo Ideal IdeaPad

Acer Aspire S3

Toshiba Z830

"with a host of new models rumored to be released at CES 2012 in January"


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

What y''all fail to understand is that Microsoft recognizes this just as much as I do. That's why they are doing Windows 8 and they know damn well that they can't screw it up.

Now go back and read what I actually wrote and stop leaving dumb comments because from now on I'm deleting those that indicate failure to comprehend the necessity of what they are doing and how serious it is to them.


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skear 4 years ago from Kansas City

I think Microsoft might be best suited to make a Windows 8 tablet edition while still keeping a standard edition available.

Many people are very comfortable with the general look and feel of Windows and making such drastic changes may be a big mistake.

Only time will tell!


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

Interesting speculation related to this: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/wintel-tablets...


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dipless 4 years ago from Manchester

Just stumbled on this from your profile and so it's a little late but, I'll put in my 2 cents worth anyway. Whilst I totally agree with you that Microsoft in order to survive will have to enter the tablet and mobile device world with a decisive blow.

However I personally feel that there will always be a place for PC's run by Windows OS's I have tried many and own a MAC and a PC. I do not think that windows have a chance of competing with Apple in the tablet market especially looking at the pricing point suggested in the article you have linked too.

I feel (and bare in mind it is just a personal opinion) that desktops and laptops will have a place in businesses for a long time. Whilst home users can happily use tablets for browsing and casual usage. The high performance required for some businesses will demand either high end PC's or MAC's, with the majority of businesses opting for PC's due to the level of performance they can get for their investment.

I realise that Linux is a possibility still but it is a training issue, the average 100-10,000 people company don't have the training budget to re-educate people on using Linux instead of Windows. Obviously I realise there are companies (especially IT and outsourcing firms) who have expertise in house who would not let that phase them, but the majority just don't.

This was an interesting article and made me think, so thanks.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

Well, Microsoft certainly won't agree with you.

By the way, that same "performance" article was made against PC's in the early days - the green screen terminals had access to the mainframe power - pc's were just "toys".


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dipless 4 years ago from Manchester

Really I didn't know that, but I guess than makes sense, I guess time will tell. Thanks for the stimulating article.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

Yes - that's usually the case with things like this. Have you ever read "The Innovators Dilemma" ? I'll add an Amazon link above.


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dipless 4 years ago from Manchester

No I haven't I'll take a look at it. Thanks


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

It's a very interesting book and Microsoft is very aware of that, also.


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deeellell 4 years ago

Couple of thoughts:

1. There are several that stated that Linux may not be ready because it is so technical to administrate. I don't know too many people who administrate windows machines anymore as everything is prepackaged. Canonical is close with Ubuntu now (although I think Unity and gnome 3 have the same Desktop/mobile UI misguidance as the metro interface language) as far a prepackaging software. I don't think that argument will last much longer.

2. Pcunix - you mentioned Clay C's book "innovator's...", I agree. There is nothing disruptive that Microsoft has brought. There is also nothing sustaining here either. It is Google and Apple that have been disruptive (their timing? perfect). Non-consumption with smart phones. Low market disruption with Google apps, etc. From an innovation standpoint, they are in trouble.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

Ayup, and I don't think that Win 8 Consumer Preview is helping them..


James 4 years ago

Your points are utterly "wrong".

1. You say that developers will hate it because it uses HTML and Javascript - The truth? Metro applications can be programmed in C#, VB, and C++. Go away.

2. You say that keyboard-lovers will hate this - I'm a keyboard-user, and love using Windows 8 with it

Go away, your arguments are invalid.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

Your inability to understand what I said here doesn't change the facts.

Try actually reading before making up nonsense rebuttals to things I never said.


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Manna in the wild 4 years ago from Australia

Generally, I think if you want an idea where the technology is leading, then look at what the young kids are doing.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

Though in this case, it's not just the kids. I'm seeing iPads, Kindles and Nooks all over our over-55 community.


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Manna in the wild 4 years ago from Australia

... and these will be relatively short term in the market compared to the kids. Age 17-30 are the trend setters.


asz 4 years ago

Very interesting article. Thank you, and I think you are right. Microsoft has been on "autopilot" for a long time now and I think this is how it is starting to show.


TheZorch 4 years ago

In recent articles I hear that game developers are not happy with Windows 8 at all. In fact, Gabe Newell slammed the operating system.


Worldstrider 4 years ago

Wow..I use a tablet for sales and occasional field research/communications. I use a desktop for design, productivity and as a data center. I can access and run my pc through my tablet but there is no way in heck I can throw my desktop out and work on one. I also won't store all of my work on some corporate cloud that I have to rely on access to and trust with my security--not to mention eventually they'll want to charge me for these "conveniences".

Fair to say MS needs into the tablet market...idiotic to say other computers are dinosaurs and "everyone" is going to tablets.

Some of us do more than Facebook and web script apps on our machines.

MS is nuts to tout this as "the next great". If they had a tablet to tout it on--sure. But as the product for which they'll abandon their other products? they're nuts.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

People sniffed at PC's too, saying that there was no way these would ever be more than silly toys..


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gamesnepal 4 years ago from Kathmandu, Nepal

No matter what, I am still looking forward to the release of this new software. Can't wait to try to full version.


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compufram 4 years ago

In my opinion, PCs are of the same quality, if not slightly superior (in cost) to Macs in the categories of upgrade-ability, base specifications, and software. However, these current opinions are based off of my, and other's experience with Windows 7. I have played with Windows 8, and it seems to me like a tablet-support Band-Aid awkwardly stuck onto the back of Windows 7. The Start tiles really are asking to be swiped. However, things like the Charms Bar seem to be better for the PC, due to the mouse-over feature. I also dislike how the system settings are split up into different places. But, in all honestly, I disagree with your point on Windows 8 killing Microsoft. They survived Windows Vista, didn't they? After the successes of Windows 7, I'd think that a lot of users would 'hold out', similar to how they did with Windows XP, until the next version of Windows is released. Then again, it really isn't fair to make a call about Windows 8 until the Release Candidate comes out next month. Apparently, there are some significant changes from the Developer, and Consumer Previews. I do appreciate your article, however, as it gave me a chance to both think, and share my opinion.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

As I said, Microsoft may dig themselves out of this mess. So far, though, they seem committed to stupidity.


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compufram 4 years ago

We'll see. I disagree, however , with how you say "They've committed themselves to stupidity". Windows 7 is a strong OS that isn't going to die anytime soon---In other words, a lot of people will let Windows 8 blow over as a tablet OS, while sticking to only-3-year-old Windows 7. Look how long XP lasted.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

That's not going to make Microsoft any money, is it?

:)


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compufram 4 years ago

Not entirely, as Vista was originally well receipted until the PC users "Learned the Truth", and still, millions of PCs shipped with the Operating System. I just thought of this, but wouldn't Windows 8 work well on touch-enabled all-in-one systems? You'd have the power of a PC (save for the Mobile Graphics), and the versatility of a tablet. I'd keep that in mind. :)


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

Well, most financial analysts are expecting less than you are.. But we shall see.


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compufram 4 years ago

We shall. What's your opinion of Windows 8 running on touch-screen all-in-one PCs?


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

Laughable :)


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compufram 4 years ago

Agreed to some extent, although it should be a better experience than a mouse and keyboard duo.


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compufram 4 years ago

Those websites prove no point. Remember this 'little' thing called The Great Recession? Those numbers seem to represent the economic downfall of the United States. The other article seems to foretell Windows 8's doom only if it isn't launched in October. Plus, you're getting your information from one source, who might or might not be biased. Just my opinion.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

One source? Did you read anything more than the title of what. I wrote?

I will not be approving your comments going forward - too pointless


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compufram 4 years ago

That isn't what I meant. I was simply observing the fact that the two links you posted in the comment were from the same website-a small part of my point referring to the charts on the articles you sent me, which actually had a lot of truth to them.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

How many other links are in this post and its comments?

Never mind. You have said your piece. Please go elsewhere now as you aren't adding anything useful.


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Grace Whites 4 years ago from Manalapan, New Jersey, USA

Hmmm. you have organize your information in a good manner. Through reading this, there's a possibility that windows 8 will kill microsoft.


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That Grrl 4 years ago from Barrie, Ontario, Canada

In trying to prevent piracy of their software early on, Microsoft has made themselves both too expensive and very exclusive and limited. I've been running Ubuntu for a year. I bought a new PC and now I'm having a hard time installing Linux because the hardware is hard wired for Windows in some way. I'll figure it out yet, so far it seems to be the dynamic drive and yet my computer claims it is using basic. Yet I have Raid... so it's a puzzle to keep working on. If nothing else I can reformat the hard drive and start from ground zero. I've done it before when I had Windows frustrations. One thing I have learned from running Ubuntu - I don't miss MS Windows when it's gone.


Tim Cook 4 years ago

we can join a fridge and a toaster, and that might work also, but why should we?


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

It depends.

That's the argument made for why tablets can't become PC's, but it misses reality: they not only can, but they will and people will look back on clunky PC's the same way we look back on mainframes: they have their place, but most of us don't need them.

But in general, Microsoft is famous for throwing everything they can into the mix. In this case, they are trying to hold on to the small computer market by turning a pc into a tablet - that's got it backwards, of course.

I really don't think Microsoft can break Apple and Google in tablets or phones. As PC's wither, Microsoft will shrink with them.

Of course they are a big company with lots of money - they COULD pull this off. I think the other thing that prevents that is that their management isn't smart enough. I think they are still mostly stuck in "cheat and bully" mode rather than "let's try to make something really cool".

But I could be wrong. The next few years will tell.


Declan Whiting 4 years ago

Pretty interesting read with valid points, I don't think they will go bust, but if they do, good call!

and my coffee remained firmly in its cup thanks!


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

As we have seen, they have announced a confusing tablet/computer. Unfortunately Google trumped that and Apple may trump them both.


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BlissfulWriter 4 years ago

Windows Developers with .Net programming skills such as C# will still be in business. Because those skill are still relevant in developing Windows 8 Metro apps. They can write C# code to generate Metro Apps. It is just that Microsoft is bringing in the market of web developers and will also enable web developers to write HTML5 and Javascript code to generate Metro Apps as well.

Developers of Microsoft products, usually does not do iPad nor Android as the programming languages are differnet. iPad is programmed in Objective C. And Android devices are programmed in Java.

I'm running Windows 8 RTM on a netbook PC. And I think this operating system is quite well done.


anonyme 4 years ago

ROFL

For 30 years ago, users adapt themselves to Microsoft products. 95, XP, Vista and now 8, each time users learn to use new tools.

It's simple, computing science turn around Microsoft, and no more around Linux, Java, IBM or what other. Being the center of the computing IS the Microsoft business model.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

Sure, whatever you say. As I've said before, people once said that Wang, DEC and IBM would always rule the computing world.. Microsoft supremacy is in danger and only fools can't see it. Microsoft itself is very much aware of it, of course.


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Hezekiah 4 years ago from Japan

I think people are willing to adapt to new systems, however having to learn a new skill can and has killed the progress of systems in the past. It depend on how developer think the adaption is worth it.

We can never know until more people are using windows 8. I guess we will jsut have a wait and see.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

The "learning new things" is the least of it.


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MSLewis 4 years ago from Pennsylvania

Windows 8 is actually a perfectly fine, functional desktop OS, people have just been too impatient with the change. Look at any other tech group that made major changes. Facebook is a perfect example: users HATED the wall when it was first introduced, now they can't live without it. They HATED the timeline, now many call it the best feature. Given time, users may come around to Windows 8.

As for the OS killing Microsoft, there's not a chance of that. Microsoft has released some truly horrific OSs in the past (Windows ME comes to mine), yet they survived. Windows 8 does not have any of the functionality issues that some of the past OSs had, it's faster and just as usable for those willing to adapt.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

Yadda-yadda - Microsoft zealot..

Things have changed since ME and Bob.. the world is a different place. Cloud apps, BYOD, tablets, smart phones.. Microsoft is less needed every day.


isaacoolbeans 4 years ago

Completely agree with you. Nice hub.

Windows 8 was simply a mistake in my opinion...

It might've just been released too early - no Microsoft tablet.


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Pcunix 4 years ago from SE MA Author

If a mistake, it is a necessary mistake. Microsoft has no choice but to attempt transition. If they didn't try, they absolutely would fail. This has at least a chance.


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manthy 4 years ago from Alabama,USA

I don't like the look of that OS, anyway I could care less if Microsoft fails but this hub was an interesting read.


John 4 years ago

I just got a new Lap top it has window's 8 as soon as I can afford it 8 is coming off and 7 is going on I realy hate 8 I may even take this back and try a mac


intangable 3 years ago

All we would need to do to kill microsoft is get the OEM's to stop just preinstalling windows and you would see how quickly microsoft will fail. They are only here and used because the lazy OEM's are so useless they cant even get off the microsoft drug that they are being fed.


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hoppy01 3 years ago from scotland

Microsoft screwed up 8 in every possible way but the main reason 8 will struggle is value, people just don't see the value in 8.

To enter the Surface Pro into a market and sporting that high price tag is a disaster for Microsoft.

People will say its unfair to compare it to a iPad or Android but in the real world that's exactly what they will do.

They will also note the precious hard drive space that 8 swallows up and thanks to a power sapping i5 it sports a lousy 4 hrs battery life.

In the desktop world 8 is a complete joke..

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