Moving to Australia

Moving Overseas

Thinking about emigrating? Do you dream of Australia's perfect climate and stress-free lifestyle? Well its not all perfect but thousands of people immigrate to Australia every year and many only regret they didn't move to Australia sooner.

Emigration to Australia or anywhere else is a big step to take.Some people practically have a nervous breakdown just moving house - how much worse is moving to Australia?

Migration changes families for ever - and in ways you may not have considered. Not everyone makes it as a migrant: but Australia does boast a large number of expatriates who are very happy to call Australia home.

Is Emigrating to Australia Right for You?

Do you have the personal attributes to be a successful migrant? I have been a migrant, multiple times and have a lot of friends who have moved countries too. Here are some of the characteristics which seem to reflect the successful ones:

  • flexible: can you handle different ways of doing things, different priorities. Even if you currently live in an English speaking country don't expect Australia to be the same. In fact you would probably find a more English experience in some parts of Southern Spain than you will find in Australia.
  • sense of humour: you have to laugh at yourself and your assumptions - yes really you do! A sense of humour will see you through all the interesting cultural clash situations which will happen to you.
  • comfortable with your own company. Or if you are moving with your partner and/or other family comfortable with their company too. Even if you know someone at your destination you are still going to have to develop a day-to-day social life from scratch. Having kids will probably make this quicker but generally I find it takes at least a year to develop a social circle - it will take longer if you earn't working or are older. The old chestnut of joining clubs and hobby groups which reflect your interests really does work. Or take the opportunities offered to learn to surf, ride, 4WD, SCUBA dive, fish or any of the many sports and outdoor opportunities that Australia offers

Why Do You Want to Move to Australia?

  • Job opportunites
  • Better Education
  • Better Weather
  • Cost of Living
  • Beaches and BBQ's
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Scarborough Beach, Perth, Western Australia. Photo:lissie
Scarborough Beach, Perth, Western Australia. Photo:lissie

Australia and Australians: Do you have a realistic view ?

Australia really is a long, long way away. Yes the world is smaller than it ever has been and Internet and cheap calls make it easier to keep in touch - but Australia truly is a very,very far from home -in terms of travel time and costs. There is a reason that the English flock to Spain and the American retire to Mexico - yes both countries offer warmer climates, but they are also very close to home. If there is an emergency at home and you get on the next flight it is still going to be 2 or 3 days before you arrive.

Priscillia Queen of the Desert

Understand how Australian Society is Different

. There are plenty of tourist sites which will assure you that Australia is crime and drug and guns free. The truth is more complex. Australia has had ugly incidents: such as the race riots in Sydney, 2005 It had a mass shootings too at Port Arthur, Tasmania -where a lone insane gunman killed 36 people and forever ensured that Australia would have strict gun laws . The drug of choice throughout most of Australia is beer but the local wine industry is well-developed too. Seriously though binge drinking can be a problem amongst all age groups.

At the risk of being blunt: Australia is still developing from a racist, sexist, heterosexual male society. Its improved significantly over the last 20 years. Back then the movie Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, featuring 3 drag queens, would probably not been able to be made safely on location in Broken Hill, NSW. Although Melbourne and particularly Sydney have a vibrant gay and alternative lifestyle scene - this is still not the norm in most of Australia or even in cities such as Perth and Brisbane.

The skills shortage has seen many barriers to women's employment disappear (it took until the mid-1980s before married women living in Broken Hill could hold a non-professional job as the local unions banned them)but its definitely still a bit of a wild west out there in rural Australia.

Australia's record on race relations with the Aborigines is dismal and the real first Australians do not have political self-determination and suffer from third world levels of poverty and disease. Up until the 1960s Australia had an official "white Australia" policy which covered large numbers of post-war European immigrants but closed the country to Asian and Pacific Island emigration.

Again large cities have multi-cultural populations but mixed race couples may still get unwanted attention in smaller towns and the outback.

Broome, Western Australia.  Photo:lissie
Broome, Western Australia. Photo:lissie

What Would You Miss Most from Home if You Emigrated?

  • Friends and Family
  • Our House / Garden
  • Weather
  • Food
  • Culture and Language
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What will migrating to Australia do to my family long-term

Migrating to Australia will fracture your family. That's not a threat it's a statement. You will leave some behind; you will move some with you. Even if you migrate as a young single the odds are that you will marry a local and have children who call a different country home. If you migrate with your children you fundamentally change their relationship with their grandparents and other close relatives. After a number of years you may want to return to your to home country: but your children may consider themselves Australian.

Consider the age of your children: even within Australian states the high school curricula are not standard. It is easiest to commit to living in a single country or Australian state for children's high school years. Once you have graduated high school it is usually easiest to gain university entry in the same country. Australia has a great education system but it is not, fundamentally multi-lingual society. If having your children grow up multilingual consider how you are going to achieve this.

Younger children rarely appear to have problems adapting to a new culture - remember though they will end up speaking "strine" whether you like it or not!

Moving locations won't solve your personal relationship problems. If your underlying problem is the relationship with your partner or your children, moving may not solve your problems, it may make them worse. Moving is stressful on all levels from the practical to the emotional - a dysfunctional relationship is not going to survive that. On the other hand if you really want to connect more with your family and become a stronger family unit, and limit contact with wider family members then moving to Australia will probably help.

Cape le Grand National Park, Western Australia, Photo:lissie
Cape le Grand National Park, Western Australia, Photo:lissie

Moving to Australia: For a Better Life

For a better life is the usual reason that people give when I ask them why they moved to Australia. It may be wise to consider what a better life means for you. If you love to surf, dive, 4WD, camp, drink and eat well then Australia will offer you years of entertainment. If however you are more interested in skiing, European fine art and culture, opera and orchestral music, then you will have more options elsewhere.

Moving to Australia won't necessarily solve your financial problems either. Salaries may look higher but are irrelevant. What determines your lifestyle is the difference between your income and your basic living expenses not your absolute income.

If you hate your actual job then a move to Australia won't help long-term. However if you like your job but hate the system you work in changing countries may help: it certainly seems to work for teachers and health care professionals.

If your profession requires licensing make sure you understand the costs and time frames for getting registered in the state you are interested in living in.

Alternative Employment? Garnet fossicking, Gemtree, Northern Territory, Australia. Photo: lissie
Alternative Employment? Garnet fossicking, Gemtree, Northern Territory, Australia. Photo: lissie

Permission to Work and Live in Australia

There are lots of sites out there, generally run by migration specialists, telling you how to get the correct visas and the requirements for moving to Australia. You don't have to use a migration agent and using one won't give your application priority - start with the official Australian Immigration Site for the correct, free information regarding visas Australia currently has a shortage of skilled workers. The list of occupations in demand changes from time to time but the following jobs are normally on the list:

accountants and teachers

engineers: chemical, manager, civil, mining, electrical, electronic

computer professionals with specialist skills such as linux, SAP, network security, Oracle

health care: dental, optometrist, podiatrist, psychologist, nurse

hospitality: chef, baker, pastry cook, cook

building trades: bricklayer, plumber, electrician, landscape gardener

other trades: mechanic, boilermaker.

There is current discussion of allowing short-term unskilled or semi-skilled foreigners to work in Australia in areas of seasonal demand such as harvest work and for roles such as cleaners in remote outback communities.

Where the Jobs in Australia are Located

Remember that shortages are nationwide - it does not necessarily follow that if you are determined to move to a particular town that you will necessarily get a job in that town. The China-led resource boom means that both Queensland and Western Australia, and more recently South Australia are booming and there is a huge demand for any trade associated with mining plus ancillary jobs in the building and hospitality trades. In contrast Sydney is still suffering from very high house prices and a flat employment market.

Most Australians are employed in the services sector but many government jobs require citizenship which may mean that moving to Canberra is going to limit your job opportunities

Bell Gorge, Western Australia, Photo: lissie
Bell Gorge, Western Australia, Photo: lissie

Spoof of Australia Movie: Funny

Budget for Moving to Australia

Moving to Australia you will need to develop a credit history from scratch. Opening a bank account from outside the country is straightforward - and by far the cheapest way to transfer large amounts of cash. You will not immediately qualify for a credit card until you have a job. Make sure that existing cards keep working in your home country - make sure you maintain a postal address which will stop the card's statement being returned for example. Until you have a residential address, not a post Box, you will not be able to prove your identity for items such as police checks (essential for most jobs), car licenses etc. Having a relative or trusted friend in the same state came be very useful to start this paper trail going. Once you have the local driving licence it all becomes a lot easier.

Consumer goods and clothing are relatively cheap in Australia and shipping costs are relatively high. You may want to consider shipping little and buying most when you arrive.

Costs of a Move to Australia

Visas and Passports including required documentation, vaccinations, health checks etc.

Shipping Costs.

Storage costs for items left at home

Costs associated with selling or renting your home.

Airfares and any stop over on the way to Australia

Initial Costs in Australia

Arriving without accommodation or transport makes it difficult to acquire both. Budget for 2-3 weeks of accommodation in a self-contained apartment or hostel and a rental car. Assuming that you intend to rent for the first few months, even if you later buy, then 2-3 weeks should be long enough to find a place.

Avoid arriving in January, February as this is when rental demand peaks. Also avoid arriving too near Christmas as the entire real estate industry takes 2 weeks off.

Rent a car to ensure that you are mobile enough to buy one. Budget for a mechanical inspection unless you are mechanically competent and expect it to take a few days to transfer the papers. The paperwork will be easier if in the meanwhile you have acquired local drivers licenses.

Setup Costs in Australia

Access to three months living expenses while you are looking for employment.

Rental Bond and Rent in Advance: could be up to 4 weeks in total varies by state.

Vehicles: purchase, inspection, transfer fees, licence fees, insurance.

Drivers Licences

Police clearance required for many non-professional jobs.

Bonds for telephone, utility companies

Mobile Phone, Broadband connection, Pay TV (broadcast TV is free)

School uniforms and school fees

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My Experience with Emigration and a Request

I am the child of immigrants and a migrant myself. I am a New Zealander currently living in Australia for the second time. I have also lived in Canada and the UK for extended periods of time. I was born in England but my New Zealand mother returned home with her English husband and two UK born children.

I am considering writing an e-book and would appreciate your feedback in the poll to the right.

Emigration is both easier and more difficult than it ever has been. My mother was away from home for over 10 years, most modern immigrants can afford to return home every year or so. On the other hand visas are a fairly new requirement and waving the passport of the former colonial power will NOT get you entry to Australia without a Visa!

What's your experience of emigration? Are you considering it? Have you been affected by friends or family moving overseas? Have you migrated and then regretted it?

Please leave me a comment below I'd love to hear your experience. I'd also appreciate if you will would respond to the poll to the right if you are genuinely interested in the topic.

For more links to useful Australian sites see below the comments.

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SweetiePie 8 years ago from Southern California, USA

I do not plan on moving to Australia, but this is a great overview for those who plan on doing so. The photos are absolutely beautiful.


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Lissie 8 years ago from New Zealand Author

Thansk for commenting SweetiePie - I pretty much added the photos for the "armchair migrants" of my readers! The videos are fun too!


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JohnKhoo 8 years ago

I was graduated from UNI of Adelaide in the year 2001. I spent 2 years studying in Australia and I love the country very much. The weather, environment, people, public transportations, foods, wines, and many more are alll great. Even though i am not deciding to get a PR at the moment but i will definitely be back to visit Australia again.


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Mia Mamma 8 years ago from Always Online

Australia was part of my immigration plans some time ago. However, I'm afraid of two things: the weather and the insects. I've seen some documentary videos featuring such huge spiders, that I'm not so sure I ever want to meet face to face.

I'm currently living in Europe and I like cold weather, so I assume it would be difficult for me to adapt to a hotter climate. Maybe I'll take a trip as a tourist first, to see how it is, then maybe I'll come there for good. Europe has become much too crowded!


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Lissie 8 years ago from New Zealand Author

Johnny - our next trip is hopefully to Adelaide across the Nullarbor - I haven't been tehre for 20 years and am looking forward to it! The wines of course are superb - though the ones locally in WA aren't to bad either :-)

MiaMamma - yes coming as a tourist first is always a good idea I think - you might like Tasmania or Victoria - they both get snow in the winter - and can assure you that Tasmania was way too cold to camp in April when we did it! Check the climate link below for Hobart or Canberra - we do have cold!

Yes plenty of space here! The spiders - think I see one every 6 months or so in Perth - small ordinarly looking things - think we might have had more in NZ actually. The huge spiders are rare - and harmless - its the small redbacks in Sydney that have a poisonous bite. The animals are much over-rated - we saw 2 snakes in 35,000km of driving the outback - if one is seen in Perth it makes the local news! Flies and kangaroos on the other hand - lots and lots!


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honestway 8 years ago from Spain

Lissie, as you know, I was an immigrant child in Oz in the 1960s, but my family made the huge mistake of returning to the UK in 1972. Since then both my mother and late father had returned on several occasions and my mother is keen to return permanently.

My brother flys hang gliders all over the world both as an enthusiast and qualified pilot/instructor and is also keen to return permanently. My sister also wants to go back but she may wait until her teenage kids have flown the nest.

For myself, I often hankered to return in my 20s and 30s but never did, instead moving here to Spain. The climate and landscape here is similar to how I remember it in Sydney but without the wattle and snakes/spiders! We do have plenty of flys and mozzies though... ah bliss!

Lissie, this is a really informative hub - better than I've seen anywhere, so well done!


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Lissie 8 years ago from New Zealand Author

Hi Terry - yes sun, wine, desert Australia and Spain do have similarities - and I love Spain but am too lazy to improve my Spanish good enough to live there! I could handle living part of the year in Spain and part in Australia - I guess if I can get this online income thing working I could graduate from migrant to nomad - but that's a whole other hub! My brother met an Irish girl in Central America and now lives in Cork, Eire - and they are thinking about migrating somewhere too - which is partly why I wrote the hub!


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compu-smart 8 years ago from London UK

Great Hub Lizzie!.

Australia is one of my number one destinations to live abroad!! everything about it is beautiful from the weather, people, laws (beers:)and the nature side of things!! I think Australia is possibly one of the greatest countries in the world!!

Gday!:)


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Lissie 8 years ago from New Zealand Author

Wow compusmart a Pom who understands that beers are designed to served real, real cold! In fact in deepest outback they serve the red wine in the fridge too - it takes it down to "european" room temperature :-)


pgrundy 8 years ago

Hi lissie, thanks for all the free advice! I have a feeling sometime in mid-November I'm going to be country-shopping, and I will definitely keep Australia in mind, although I'd miss my kids--maybe too much. Maybe I'll just have to bring them. I like Toronto, Canada too. Or maybe the great Canadian North Woods. I'll forage for berries and eat possums and so forth. Maybe. Such a great speech last night by Obama and I wake up to the press slavering over McCain's VP pick. For a minute there I actually forgot I'm living in "The Handmaid's Tale"!

<sigh>

It felt good while it lasted.


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lavenderstreak 8 years ago from Seattle

Lissie, this is a really well done hub. My partner and I are thinking seriously of migrating somewhere after we both retire, although she's a psychologist and I see it mentioned as one of the in demand occupations. Of course it would take a good year or so to build the kind of client base she currently enjoys.

In all seriousness, we're really thinking about Bangkok! Much of what you wrote applies to anywhere one would migrate too. It's very good food for thought.

I saw Priscilla Queen of the Desert years ago. I loved it. I've read lots of Australian fiction, too. It's been a long time, I wish I could remember the names of the books, but they really gave me a flavor for some of what you talk about as far as being sexist, racist and behind the times once you get into the outback.

pgrundy, don't give up yet. It's going to be an interesting election battle. I think he's going to get it, I think people are going to come out of the woodwork to vote for him and they're not being polled. It's amazing that McCain thinks picking a christian conservative woman with 2 years of political experience would woo Hilary Clinton's supporters. It's truly insulting.

Great work, Lissie!

Cheryl


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Lissie 8 years ago from New Zealand Author

LOL now keep US politicis of this hub please! Australia has state/federalpolitics - the good news is that only citizens can vote - the bad news is that its compulsory for them! Iam in fact a citizen but have never registered so they can't find me :-)

pgrundy- I lived in Vancouver for 10 months and loved it - my French wasn't good enough to get me in permanently and I could never handle the cold!

lavender - I can't persuade my partner unfortunately - I would like Thailand or Malaysia - who I believe have straightforward retirement visas though they may not recognise same sex relationships. Your partner would need to check the registration requirements for Psyc - it will vary by state - there is a link off the government immigration site page I mention above. I met a gay female couple who were travelling with their 2 year old in Tasmania - they were supposed to be going right around Australia but were going to stop in Tasmania because they loved it so much! I think they were from Queensland. It made me think that maybe they felt quite comfortable there - personally its too cold for me!


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topstuff 8 years ago

This is a good hub giving some insights aboutAustralia.Id consider going there if could geta chance.For this time you enjoy.


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Lissie 8 years ago from New Zealand Author

topstuff - I have a philosphy of life: no one ever lies on their death bed wishing they had spent more time at the office ...


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Lifebydesign 8 years ago from Australia

Lissie- I moved here 7 years ago and haven't looked back. From WA to Tasmania its been all great. Just wish I'd had these insights then..:-) But well put together and really informative!


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Sally's Trove 8 years ago from Southeastern Pennsylvania

I'm not interested in uprooting and going elsewhere, but I am your "armchair" traveler and enjoyed this Hub very much, especially your gorgeous pictures!

About 20 years ago my mother toured Australia and NZ for a month or so and loved everything about it...the people, the food, the scenery, everything. She spent a week or so in NZ on a sheep farm, and has kept the friendships forged there to this day.

Thumbs up for a very interesting read and links to valuable resources.


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denisewrtr37 8 years ago from Philadelphia

Lots of good information. I'd love to visit Australia, but have no plans to move there. I loved the photos you provided. I heard Australia was expensive but from your hub sounds like it doesn't have to be that way.


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Lissie 8 years ago from New Zealand Author

Hi Lifebydesign - yes its not bad really is it - though its raining in Perth today - shock horror still warm though! Sally glad you liked the photos!

Denise one person's expensive --- its very hard to generalise andit makes a big difference whether you are earning in the same currency or whether you are a tourist!


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mulder 8 years ago from Warnbro Western Australia

Hi Lissie yes you live the best state in Australia Perth where I live I love been an Aussie the cold beers , bbq , cricket as you know a Perth summer its get hot here very humid 40 + but yes its cold and raining at the moment .

Mulder


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Lissie 8 years ago from New Zealand Author

LOL - you call this cold - I am still wearing summer NZ summer clothes! Chilly at night but 18C during the day - which counts as a typical summer day where I come from Wellington, NZ - yes a bit hot in February and we missed the 44C on Xmas day last year - but pretty much a perfect climate! Now if we just had decent shopping hours it would be perfect!


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2patricias 8 years ago from Sussex by the Sea

Pat writes: I moved from the USA to UK when I was 17 (alone). That was 40 years ago. I don't think that I could have made such a move if I had been much older, and able to imagine the long term consequences. I don't regret it though you are right that it splits up the family.

I would love to visit Australia, including the Margaret River area (for the wineries) but couldn't contemplate moving there.


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MrMarmalade 8 years ago from Sydney

In the last four months i have spent so much time at the Immigration Dept. Iam beginning to thi9nk that I have owning right. Then off to a huge Embassy of another Country. All to no avail at this moment. They both seem to have read the same book. Come back in five weeks.

I checked the original date of of going to The Embassy. It was December 2007.

Yesterday the Embassy Next Monday the Immigration Dept.

Oh! I forgot to say a great hub and can agree with every item you have mentioned. For many years, Val and I thought we like to retire in Perth. Secret dream. We went back the second time during our Olympics. I learnt a long time ago, you should not travel down memory lane in the Hope you will find something you have let go.

Thanks for you huge effort in compiling these facts.


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Brainstormer 8 years ago from Australia

Terrific Hub Lissie. You really are very good putting worthwhile together in a way that I suspect I never could.

Australia as a place to live has its advantages but it is not without its faults as you pointed out in your hub. I could probably wax lyrical for hours on a few more.

Thanks for help in putting Australia on the map :)


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TravelAMP 8 years ago from Around the world

Australia is a really good place to live. People are nice to each other even though you have lots of diversity. Nice read, I definitely can connect with this being there for 5 years.


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sheryl c 8 years ago from canton ohio

Lissie very great hub and beautiful pictures and good kuck to you and yours as far as I've moved is Florida just came back in the nick of time because of hurricanes but so much bull at home can't wait to go back.


ljdj 8 years ago

nice write up. I'm from the UK and spent last year living in Australia on a working tourist visa. I lived on Bondi Beach and worked in Sydney for a few months . I then relocated campervans for the rest of the year. In our first 8 days we drove the 5700km from Perth up the West Coast, across via Kathering and down to Alice Springs. We then drove on to Adelaide, Melbourne, Tasmania (there was also a boat involved in this part) back up to Sydney, on up to Gold Coast.Surfer's Paradise etc, Brisbane, East Coast and past Cairns up to Cape Tribulation. It really was the journey of a lifetime and i feel immensely privaledged to have experienced so much of this awesome country. Since the day I landed back in the UK I have wanted to be living back in Aus. Having lived there I managed to penetrate to surface and experience day to day life and all the realities that went with it. There were similarities and differences between England and Aus but all were manageable. I spent a month living with a couple who had emigrated about 30 years ago so I got an inside view of what it is really like. All of this has made me even keener to move there - I just have to decide where I would live out of all the great places I saw!!

I am just 24 and currently studying to be a Mental Health Nurse having graduate in Psychology in 2005. Hopefully in a few years i'll be ready to move with the right skills and finances behind me! I definitely go to bed at night dreaming of being there again and building a family over there.

I just need to find somewhere to get all the right information about how to go about it!!


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Lissie 8 years ago from New Zealand Author

ljdj - check the links in this hub - particularly the Australian Immigration department. I know it costs a bit to get al the medical clearences and other clearences. Psychology is almost always on the required list - but check on the requirements for registation with the relevant Australian professional body .

Good luck!


Dan 8 years ago

Hi. Wow this is a awesome hubpage and would like to commend you on a well put together site. I also came across this ebook that I brought when moving to australia. I just thought it might help others as it was a great buy for us and gave us a great insight also. Thanks


funtime frankie 8 years ago

My parents arrived in oz as 10pound poms with 5 kids and one on the way. Living in a migrant hostel in Melbourne the descission was to move to Perth. When i was 17 i joined the Royal Australin Navy seeing service in Vietnam. Proudly i display my medals. I now live in the Uk unable to return. After the service I came back to the UK for over 2 years. As i was not an Australian citizen I had to reapply to emmigrate. I got into trouble in the uk for bouncing a cheque and not rpaying £1000 to a friend. So for thisthe Australian government found me unsuitable. All my family, mum and dad, 5 brothers and sisters nephews and neices etc. I look back and remember when I would of died for my country. Now I just have memories.


gary&stacey 8 years ago

great advise lizzie my wife n i r emigratin with our son in may to sydney. my wife was born their n stayed til she was 10 . we hope it suits us . needed some reassurance being a niaeve paddy my self i see it a a life changein move . but i'm feelin possitive now thanks for the great insight .


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Lissie 8 years ago from New Zealand Author

Good luck Gary: I'm sure you're have a fantastic time is Sydney - and having a child makes it much easier to get to know people in the community


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marketingprof 8 years ago

Thanks for posting this one. I've always wanted to go to Australia. Not to move, but to visit, and your article stoked those flames again. In fact, I have quite a few friends there. However, I'm afraid that if I go, I'd never want to return home!

If I do plan a trip, I'll be sure to check for updates to this hub, and maybe even drop you a line.


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Lissie 8 years ago from New Zealand Author

No problem at all marketingprof. I have added a link to my new Australia blog above too for more information on current Australia happenings and some more pictures


Dan 8 years ago

Hey.

This is an awesome overview and some great articles. I moved to Australia early 2008 from NZ and was the best move I made. The move was purely finacial reasons not lifestyle however the lifestyle over here in Australia is not to bad. But NZ is still home. For anyone moving or wanting to move then I have created an ebook for everything from renting, internet providers, visas, shipping, tax, elctions, and heaps more.

The book is called <a href="http://www.crosstheditch.inf">Crossing the Ditch<a/>. Check it out here.


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Lissie 8 years ago from New Zealand Author

Hi Dan, I left your comment because I have your book at its a legit resource: more talking about the move from the NZ point of view, who have automatic residency in Australia, but useful otherwise for everyone around getting set up. I deleted your secon comment because the correct link is on you name


johnjoe2 7 years ago

always wanted to visit down under. Hopefully will manage to visit friends in a couple of years. Thans for all the info.


AmandaT 7 years ago

Aww - this was wonderful. I'm an 18 year old girl moving to Australia in May from the States. My boyfriend is an Aussie and in the RAAF over there. The only thing that has worried me about moving is leaving my family behind over here. :(, also plane tickets aren't cheap lol. But this was a wonderful overview and has certainly given me more food for thought!


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Lissie 7 years ago from New Zealand Author

Nice one Amanda - glad it helped!


marc 7 years ago

i live in australia and im doing an english assignment on migrant intake. i just need to know why do people around the world move to australia. i know why i just need to know do the migrants sufferer from poverty, corruption,war etc.. is that why the move just to get away from that.. thankyou


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AndyBaker 7 years ago from UK

Interesting.

My Dad went to AUS for about 5 years when he was younger.

Great place all around by all accounts.


kay 7 years ago

Have been here since 1972....loved it then, egalitarian people, wide open spaces, empty beaches, you could go wherever you liked....went back to Uk in the 90s but returned in 2000 and hated it. Ozzies now very suspicious of newcomers, seem worried they might be better than them, take their jobs etc and they have always not quite liked the Brits. Everywhere is being over-developed....those awful big, ugly houses on fenced estates are everywhere and the once free places to camp, walk wander etc are now privatized. Liked your blog though....mostly an accurate view of Oz.


Lindsey 7 years ago

Sorry for the previous posts.. not sure what happened. Anyhoo, I am curious, do Australians resent people who migrate into their country? I am an American and so I see the resentment of our own people towards the migrants, is this similar to the demeanor of other countries?


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Lissie 7 years ago from New Zealand Author

To some greater or lesser extent that happens everywhere - its impossible to generalise really. There is no serious unemployment in Australia even now so ithink there is probably less resentment than somewhere like the US


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cindyvine 7 years ago from Kyiv, Ukraine

I emmigrated to NZ, stayed 5 years and then left, not sure if I'll ever return.  It is hard leaving behind family and loved ones.  My ex is in the process of emmigrating to Perth once he's been discharged from the mental hospital.  Don't know why they'll take people with a history of mental health problems, but he says Australia don't mind.


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Lissie 7 years ago from New Zealand Author

Did the climate drive you away from NZ? The only real reason we will go back to NZ is because my partner's mother still lives there and is in her 80s - that's the tough bit especially in families that have never travelled. My motner travelled and I guess wasn't very surprised when her kids did to. My brother and his kids live in Ireland - they may emmigrate to Ausralia, probably just as we leave!

I don't know the Ausralian requirements - as I have automatic entry rights as a NZer - but I did think they were quite strict on health/medical histories


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cindyvine 7 years ago from Kyiv, Ukraine

The climate and the cost of living. I found NZ very expensive and battled to make ends meet on a single salary with three kids.


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Lissie 7 years ago from New Zealand Author

That sounds about right Cindy - you'd do better in Australia in that circusmtance because of the huge number of tax breaks involved with kids here!


newsworthy 7 years ago

Hi Lissie, you have made it clear that moving to Australia is a load of baggage. With this much material in mind, you could very well write an ebook. And although I wouldn't necessarily need instructions to move to Australia, I would need them to visit. Best wishes.

Garnet fossicking sounds exciting.


Esther Harding 7 years ago

I have a cousin living in the States who wants to come live with us here in Australia and do the last 2 years of high school while he lives with us.

Is this possible?

What are the ins and outs of making that happen?


emigrate to australia 7 years ago

Australia is number 1 choice for any one searching to emigrate to western developed country with terrific potential for every immigrant to develop themselves and their dreams.


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RickSure 7 years ago from Sydney, Australia

Our animals certainly are overrated but when in Sydney, don't forget we are home to the world's most poisonous spider. You would be extremely unlucky to get bitten though.


midge 6 years ago

hi im a single mum of one, a 12 year old who is interested in moving with me. is there any tips u could give me about being a single mum in australia?


trina 6 years ago

hi my husband has been contacted by coles with ref to a job we are a mixed race familiy my husband is English born but his familiy is from the caribbean and i am british we have one daughter who is mixed race and 13 yrs old

could you please advice us if you feel we would fit into the australian cultural and if you feel our daughter and ourselfs may experience any racial problems

thank you for your help may i just say we are all very keen to come to australia but are finding it hard to find out about this unfortunate side of reality


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Lissie 6 years ago from New Zealand Author

@Midge - I have no idea where you live now so its pretty hard for me to advise. I would say as the daughter of a single mum - its tough if you have no family support nearby

@trina - I firmly believe there is racism everywhere in the world - and yes your daughter will probably be made to feel different - I certainly was at age 7 when I arrived in New Zealand with an English accent! I wouldn't generalise particularly over the whole of Australia - cities are obviously more multi-cultural than the country - but a job with Coles suggests a city.

Frankly there are far more variables rather than the colour of your skin which will make up whether you adapt to living in Australia - give it go what have you got to lose - its not like its a one-way trip anymore!


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bukan 6 years ago from India, Kolkata

Recently i have no plan for moving Australia, the sight scene was good to express the Australia


Australian Dream 6 years ago

I was wondering if it is a good idea to move to Australia? I've been dieing to move their, Haven't finished high-school yet, but once I do, I plan moving out of Missouri and flying to Australia and live their.


elkangorito 6 years ago from Thailand

14 Feb 2010.

I was born & raised in the "Coalfields" in N.S.W. Australia. I'm now 48 years old. I've also lived in Argentina for about a year.

20 years ago, Australia was a great place in which to live. 30 to 40 years ago, it was even better. The vast majority of people were not so affluent, most people happily helped others & the stock market was not something you viewed on TV.

These days it's vastly different. 30% minimum income tax plus 10% VAT, which equals almost 40% tax for everyone...unless you are rich.

In my line of work as a Facilities Manager (& previously an engineer), I was required to work at least 10 hours a day whilst the pay was calculated at 8 hours per day. If you work strictly according to your pay rates/times, you may be in trouble with your employer. Also, as a part of my job as a Facilities Manager, I had a company mobile phone strapped to my side 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. For this, I was paid the princely sum of 60k per year. I didn't get overtime pay..."it's a managerial position".

Of course, if I could possibly get a job as an electrician (my former trade), I would have the luxury of being required to work only the required hours, which would be 40 hours per week. If I worked any more hours, I would be paid overtime rates. As such, it is not uncommon for tradesmen to be paid more than those in a middle management position.

Australia is now a "nanny state". It is almost impossible to do anything without breaking a law. The rules & regulations will drive you crazy.

The good things about Australia.

1] Free & high quality healthcare for Australian citizens.

2] Driving is safe compared to many other countries.

3] Foreigners can freely own land (conditions apply).

4] Discrimination of any sort is illegal.

5] Australia is truly multi-cultural disregarding the odd racist problem here & there (e.g. Cronulla riots).

6] It's generally quite clean everywhere (tax money).

7] Consumer protection is strong & upheld.

8] It is relatively democratic.

The bad things about Australia.

1] It is ultimately a "consumerist" society (U.S.A.?).

2] You will work your bum off just to exist normally. This could've become a lot worse under John Howard (Work Choices).

3] There is a "safety rule" for everything, which sadly absolves all individuals from self responsibility.

4] Expensive.

5] "Work ethic" is everything.

6] Too tired to do anything enjoyable after a week (5 days) of working. No wonder Aussies are getting fatter, like the yanks.

7] If you are over 40 & single, it is very difficult to get a job (unless your are heavily committed with a house & land mortgage).

I have lived in Thailand for the past 4 years. At least I don't have to work my bum off for some shareholders of some corporation anymore. At least I can now claim my own responsibility for my own actions. At least the work ethic here is more about "enjoyment" than "clock-watching". There are bad things in Thailand too but I can tell you that I'm happier here than I've ever been compared to living in Australia.


Ezeobi valentine 6 years ago

AUSTALIAN IS [PLACE TO LIVE VERY PEACEFUL PLACE AND STABILITY OF ECONOMY


Mohamed 6 years ago

Brilliant and truthful article. Top marks !!!!


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Neil Ashworth 6 years ago from United Kingdom

Very good piece of writing.


Takali Hamdi 6 years ago

I want badly get out of Tunisia and go to Australia because It's really good but I don't find any way to go there I'm 18 and I'm studying but I will not go no where with it but in australia and I want to do something great but in my country I can't, I think that Australia is the best place to make something happening


chezzal 6 years ago

Hi awesome hub lissie! I myself amlooking at moving to Australia along with my husband and 6 children...We ar a very hard working family...and also a very sporty bunch ie: rugby and league...I have a friend in Sydney that is willing to help get us started etc,but am unsure of Sydney..I personally like the sounds of Melbourne,Adelaide and Perth..but am unsure as to where at this stage...Any suggestions on a good place to start.. with a large family in toe would be very much apprieciated....


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Lissie 6 years ago from New Zealand Author

Frankly Chezzal - if you need a job I would go where the work is - for anyone in the trades that's Perth - but otherwise do some serious research. 6 kids is a lot anywhere in Australia so nowhere will you find it particularly easy to find a large house - Adelaide would be the cheapest for real estate out of those cities.


chezzal 6 years ago

thank you lissie..So Adelaide is the cheapest for real estate...Would you know about the work in that area...is it very plentiful? ive been working since the age of 11 and have worked in numerous areas ie:in food production (FACTORYS) sales assistant, apprentice automotive and cert small motors mechanic,forklift driver both dispatch and inward goods,quality control/Q.A.export dispatch etc and recently im operating machinery(within a factory basically running 2 machines that prep wool to make carpet) i have computer knowledge and have worked with data entry etc...but i prefer to work with machinery and or forklift operation...my husband is in horticulture and also operates different types of tractors,spray units etc..sooooo of course firstly we/i need to get a job prior to my husband and family arrive(and home)i have absolutely no idea where to start and have family living there,but they live in sydney and im hesitant on going there(expensive)sooo any and all tips and info would be very very much appreciated...


MikeVA 6 years ago

I'm getting close to retirement age. Can I migrate as a retiree? I'd have income from my military pension and social security totaling about 3000.00 US per month.


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barryrutherford 6 years ago from Queensland Australia

Imoved here when I was 18 thirty five years ago so you can ask me any question on the issue


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Lissie 6 years ago from New Zealand Author

Chezzai - the big question is do you have a work permit ? That's the biggest question! There is heaps of work in Australia with the skills yous mention for both you and your husband - I doubt that you would have problem getting work anywhere. I can't give you specific advice - I don't know the detail of your circumstances. How much cash do you have to start off with? Getting rental is going to involve about 6 weeks up front rent and bond. There will be some delay before you do have a job and a longer delay before you actually get paid.


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Lissie 6 years ago from New Zealand Author

MikeVA - check out the official govt site http://www.immi.gov.au/visitors/retirement/ - on a quick read it looks unlikely - that's not a very high income to live in Australia on - particularly if you don't have capital to buy a home


Laura 6 years ago

Hi I enjoyed your article. I am 29 and moved to Australia from the USA 2 1/2 years ago and love it here. I just recently got my new visa which allows me to stay for 2 more years. I studied my Master's degree which is how I was able to get into the country and actually ended up taking another course. I am just working full-time at the moment but am also considering going back to the USA but again am faced with the issues of packing up yet again and moving overseas, even if it's to my home. Anyways, I don't know if I'll go back because Australia has been my home for so long and I love it here. There are plenty of resources of how to come here but I suggest asking those people who have first! They can tell you more than any book can:)


Olesea 6 years ago

Hi! Thanks to all who are participating in this chat, I am living curently in USA,but my dream from childhood was to visit Australia, how is it life comparison to US style?


jonjo 6 years ago

I moved from Ireland in 2002 with my australian wife and daughter to Australia. I was told that my industry (I.T.) was one of the "in demand" industries and I would have no problem finding work. I was based in brisbane to begin with and for the first 18 months i applied for over 120 I.T. related jobs. I was interviewed 3 times in 120 Applications and the best job i could get was as a customer service rep at harvey norman (large electrical retailer) doing refunds and exchanges for customers.

I have a doctorate in computer science and 18 years in the I.T. industry under my belt and no-one was prepared to give me a "fair go".

around 2004 i decided to start my own I.T. business as nobody was prepared to offer me any work. I worked 7 days a week trying to make ends meet and after really struggling for 4 years in brisbane, i finally closed my business and we decided to move to New South Wales in 2008 and give it a fresh start. I have again been unsuccessful in finding work in my field. I decided to apply for work in the mining industry in Western Australia as we were hearing that they were struggling to find workers, i applied for 6 different jobs in the mining industry in different parts of western australia, and i got 6 "no thank you" replies. I decided at this point to try a different career and applied for the new south wales police force, which took me 10 months from the start of my application to being accepted to the police academy. New south wales are the only police force in Australia who actually charge the recruit for training! approx $12,000. To add salt to the wounds, the federal government told me that they would not let me access the Hecs system (student loans system) as i was not a citizen (i am a permanent resident), this meant that as well as try and sustain my family, and pay the ever increasing domestic bills, i had to find $12,000 so that i could train as a police officer. I was given the details of a police credit union, established for police officers and recruits, surely they would help me? no, they refused my application because i was not a citizen! i come to find out now that they aren't allowed to discriminate against me for being a permanent resident as they are governed by the banking code of practice which forbids such discrimination. still, it stopped me in my tracks and gone was my police career before it even began.

Since arriving in Australia in 2002, i have noticed a decrease in standard of living.

house prices are phenomenally high, one of the highest in the world in some parts of Australia!

since 1st july 2010, gas, water, electricity, petrol, postage, car registration, council rates and some other domestic charges, have all increased. Food can be quite expensive also. This is putting strain on the average person and for me and my family, it is the nail in the coffin.

we will be leaving Australia after 8 years of struggle.

my wife is a nurse and she is paid a pittance for what she does, yet the government have medical professionals as an "in demand" profession. Yet they are not prepared to pay them for their profession.

To all considering emigrating to Australia. Think long and hard. yes, the weather is nice, yes it is a beautiful country, but, unless you plan to grow your own food, the sun will not feed and clothe you.

Australian mortgage interest rates are currently amongst the highest in the world and combined with the current overpriced houses, it is all but impossible to get into the home ownership market.

as a consequence of that, rentals have sky-rocketed also and the demand for rental properties has also increased.

Come to Australia for a holiday, see the sights, see what's on offer, but make no mistake, moving here permanently is no holiday. Take it from someone who has spent 8 years trying to get a fair go, it's not an easy place to live.


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Lissie 6 years ago from New Zealand Author

@Jonjo - thanks for the long and detailed description of a real life experience. The bottom line is that Australia is still a racist society and I am not at all surprised that you had problems getting a job without "local" experience. Mind you even as a white IT professional I would struggle to find a job in Brisbane - its not known to be a great IT hub at all - more Melbourne, Sydney.

Can I ask the obvious - why didn't you become a citizen - its common for careers in miltary and police to be restricted to citizens and from the top of my head I think you had been in Oz long enough to qualify - I own an Australian passport somewhere purely so they can't change the rules on me and not let me back in!

Oh and you think the price of power is high in Australia - try NZ - its much much higher about 3x I think!


Art of legend india 6 years ago

Australia is a beautiful country for living.It is a center of better education.but I don't want to go Ausralia because i love India.


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Fashion Conscious 6 years ago from CA

I have been longing for change. This must be it. The work opportunities are great as well. Thanks for the valuable information.


Dee 6 years ago

Hi Lizzie;

I am quite the undecided youngster! I am currently living in my home land in the caribbean(i am white btw) and not being able to travel for me is like not bathing, so being in the same place for a year now is driving me insane!! I have been researching and researching and researching to find where is the best place to move. My boyfriend is from England and he loves the tropics but both of us are concerned about living expenses, jobs, etc.

I see Australia is quite expensive but the salaries look great! If possible can you answer a few of my questions?

How much is rent in West Australia / Queensland?

Elec, Water, cable, internet, cellphones?

How much do cars go for there? (n the expenses that come wit it)

How much does is cost to fill an average car with gas?

If we both got a Working Holiday Visa, how/where can my bf get training to work in the mining industry? Cost?

Will we be able to save as well?

How much are groceries for a average couple per month?

I hope its not too much, its just that I've been trying so hard to get this info and moving to Australia would be a VERY big step for us, specially since we are not millionaires! I do hope you can help us out! Thank you sooooooooooooooo much!! :-)


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Lissie 6 years ago from New Zealand Author

@Dee - let me ask you what's the rent in your home country? You couldn't possibly tellm me - you don't know if I need a single room in a shared home or a 5 bed mansion! Interesting you assume that only your bf would get work in the mines - many women work there as well you know! if you want mining work you are best of coming with heavy trade (metal work, plumbing, or electrical, or catering) quals and preferably experience. Training on a working holiday visa is unlikely to be anything but full-fee - the visa is for working not studying!

I didn't have cable - I had a prepaid cell phone which cost $40 with some credit included. We didn't pay for water, our power bill was max about $150/2 months - but its gone up since then and we didn't have air con.

Your mileage will vary - a lot

I can tell you that I was getting A$20/hour cleaning and we were paying $300/week for a 2 bed semi-furnished flat in Scarborough, Perth. We had a 96 Holden Commodore which we sold in Dec 09 for $2000. Petrol and diesel vary widley depending on where you are - when we travelled we paid over $2 /litre in remote places - at the same time diesel was $1.2 in captial cities - its no doubt changed.

If you want to work you will find work -it won't maybe the most pleasant work but there is definitly work always - particularly if you pay attention to the seasons and go where the agricultural work is - much easier to get than mining work.

Also a tent is handy in remote areas - there really is a lack of accommodation!


Dee 6 years ago

Hey well thanks for the straight forward note there!

And yes I can tell you every single detail, in which area, how many dogs there are, everything about where I am! I live on a 37 sq mile island. My rent for a studio loft is $800 USD a month in an upper class area, with a common pool. Before here I lived in a "jungle" the only place on the island that resembles a jungle, it has about 12 apartments, detached, my one bedroom was 590 USD a month but the landlord also owned almost 100 dogs and the place was ancient and very smelly! If you want a nice 5 bed 3 bath house you will pay anything from 2000-5000 a month. Elec runs about 80-100 without A/C and 100 and up with A/C, depending how long you run your aircon. My water in included but that can run you about 50-150 a month depending how many people and how much you consume. Basic cable is 24.96 USD per month and cell phones, most people have pre-paid.

Minimum wage here is about 700 USD per month, and groceries can run you about 250 USD a month for a couple, IF you dont mind economizing your belly ;-)

Which means no nice fruits, and vegies and such!

I have a suzuki swift, costs me $20 a week to run. As for work, man oh man GOOD LUCK!

You see, I speak to many people, I've lived in different house holds and I'm not afraid to ask questions for reference, this is how I know how much things costs where i live for me and for a house of 10 if you will. But thanks again for the info! :)


Dee 6 years ago

Also I am not assuming that I cant work in the mines, I just dont want to work there. I work mainly in tourism sectors and I know there is alot of work in Australia for me and its very easy to obtain. The mining industry is alot more complicated, this is why i asked for him!

Also if you would like to know anything about my country please dont hesitate to ask.


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Lissie 6 years ago from New Zealand Author

IF you are in tourism and he is in mining - you will have to compromise one of your area's of work or live apart - those areas really don't coincide. For example most of the mining work is in remote WA and outback Queensland - however most tourism work is on the East Coast and big cities.

Mining can be really, really well paid - but the well paid stuff is always remote. You may get lucky and get a fly in/out job - but that is unlikely unless he has experience. The nice thing about mining is that it pushes prices up in places such as Perth - that why I was being paid $20/hr to clean there - the rates for plumbers and mechanics were also higher because experienced people were always being poached into mining. Frankly the best place to start - would be labouring in a town like Perth - which has a labour shortage - and then move on up from there - that will give you the option to work in tourism as well.

I should think there is a minimum requirement for funds to get the WHV - I personally wouldn't move without knowing that I had enough to pay for a car A$2000 plus 6 weeks rent (4 weeks bond and 2 weeks in advance is tandard) - say another $2k plus about 2 months living expenses. Anyone with motivation can get a job in Australia inside 2 months - most within 2 weeks - but I am being conservative

Also avoid NSW - the state is in serious econmic trouble


moving to australia 6 years ago

I am planning to shifting for Australia. This is a great overview for those who plan on doing so.


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Max_Taylor 6 years ago from somewhere near a beach

Good onya LIssie gotta love the interaction on this hub but sometimes I think I'd rather be living in NZ up around Kaitia of course where it's a little warmer and a lot less stressful than the Ozzy cities.

Cheers

Max


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Accidental Writer 6 years ago from Singapore

I am a permanent resident there and plan to move there one day. However, works have kept me in Asia. Or is it procrastination on my part?


patina50 6 years ago

Hello,

l am planning relocating to Australia with my wife and brother.l am a Nigerian national living&working in South Africa for the past 5years.

I am an l.T professional&l ve about 10years experiences.l learnt my field is one of the needed fields in Auss but l was scared with comment of Jonjo that couldn't get a good job in I.T for 8years.

Tell me if there is still prospect in I.T&does it worth trying?Which Town will u suggest&do u ve any I.T online links that employ foreigners a lot? Thanks.


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tom_caton 6 years ago from The Desk

Wow, what a hub! Seriously, well done!


Stacey Eales 6 years ago

Hey, Me, my partner, 3 year old son and 2 dogs are thinking of moving to Australia from the UK, my partner is a high voltage electrical engineer.

I just wondered do you know if we have to be married for us to all go over as i do not have a trade!? Allthough i do have some distant family over there, an my mum was born there but moved to the UK when she was 5.

Any advice appreciated,

Thanks :)


Trevor Cowan 6 years ago

My wife and I moved to Western Australia from New Zealand in 1986 and still consider it to be one of the best things we have ever done. We are perfectly happy here and do not have any intention (at this stage) of ever returning to New Zealand. One important thing that must be realized when immigrating to a new country is. You had better be prepared to fit in with and adopt their ways, because they will not change their ways just to accommodate you. If you are not willing or prepared to make changes in your life, you would perhaps be better advised to stay where you are.


Baileybear 5 years ago

A lot of people immigrate to Australia & NZ from the UK, and although enjoy the lifestyle & climate, get homesick and move back to the UK (to be closer to their families etc). I am from NZ and we moved to Oz 3 years ago.

Yes, there are some cultural differences, and I think Oz is more racist than NZ (but the US comes across as much more racist, even though I haven't been there). We found the wages & job opportunities better in Oz, even in a recession.

We are not eligible to become citizens, but currently are able to live and work here for as long as we like. If we ever get sent back to NZ, I'd hope that we got to see much of Oz first.


Andyman72 5 years ago

HI guys.

Me the mrs and two teenage kids moved to Oz in feb 2008 and was back in the Uk by Aug 2008. I am a fully quslified time served gas installer/engineer and my wife is a care manager. We paid out thousands to a so called migration agent and was told all was good to go. What they didn't tell us is that OZ is 30 years behind the UK with gas safety and installation practice and we found it inpossible to get employment in our trades. I was even told by the PLumbing Industry Commission in Vic that every time they see the union jack flag they wait for the explosion. SO anyone wanting to go to live in OZ as a gas fitter.plumber then please consider what obstacles your gonna get. Since returning back to the UK me and the wife have split and one of my kids went awol. Worst experience of our lives and would not remcommend it to anyone. We were in POint cook about 14Km from Melbourne and to be fair was no nicer than places in the UK or spain. Its a long way to go for a hated and mind numbing experience. If you love getting wasted on beers in your stubbie then go for it, but honestly guys the place is a crap hole. Julia Gillard was the so called local MP so to speak. I spoke to her on the phone while we were out there and explained the problems we were having. I have the letter still now I had off her but on the phone she said "Your an Immigrant so deal with it" "What more do you want? you got your Visa didn't you". Thanks for the support Jules. Not.... Having sold my business in the uk which was doping well and the wife giving up a 27k a year job our total losses were a grand total of £750.000 for the 6 months taking into account the loss of earnings and the saving which we used while there. Statistics show more of a return to the UK from OZ than that of people migrating to OZ permanently. Think about it guys, its not a place to be as stated on many licence plates on cars. Its a backward thinking country and people to boot. The uk offers more than people give it credit for.. Sorry to have been so negative but this is a true account of our experience of migrating to australia. I also have statements from 358 other families who have experienced the same from the uk on the last 24 months. many of which were Melbourne & Brisbane. As for crime I can remember an incident where a man was set alite with petrol on an old matress in Laverton west just outside of Hoppers crossing VIC and old shoes hanging over telegraph wires indecating the drug pushers are in town. SO the crime is happening but not seen.. Didn't see many spiders out there other than a few redbacks and the occasional huntsman but spoke to many snakes on the phone at local government and also the British consulate in canberra. I went through the TRA system to get recognition on my trade. It cost a packet here in the UK sending it backwards and forwards to canberra for verification, its not woth the paper its written on. All the system is interested in is how much money you got to give. So anyone wishing to go to OZ for good, please think on and look into it further than duty calls for as you will get some horrid experiences. Cheers Guys and good luck.


Katpenman  5 years ago

Hi I am in the process of applying for visas for myself my Hubby and my 3 children for Perth australia we are all very excited and looking forward to the different life style our kids are very much for sport and outdoor life my husband is a joiner and I am a childminder would love to know how easy or hard it will be for my Hubby to get a job?? We don't have close family so I don't think we will get to home sick we are a really close net family of our own been together 13 years sick of paying for people to sit on there backsides in this country and the woman who have kids with every tom dick and harry and get houses and money to support them we just get penolised for trying to better our lifes. We can't wait for the move we are keen to work hard and have s great outdoor life for our kids x


Caty 5 years ago

I am currently in the process of getting a visa partner class. If everything goes according to plan I should move to South Australia in 4 months or 5. I'm in the phase where I read everything I can possibly find about this beautiful country I am moving to. And it's hard to come by some good and realistic information. Most of what I read tells me SA is boring and there's nothing to do. I found a good site written by a SA lover. Your site is also very nice to read, nice pictures and videos.

Anyways, my 10 years old daughter is very excited but scared because she doesn't speak English. That's what she thinks anyways. But living with my Australian boyfriend for the past 3 years she knows more than she gives herself credit for. I met my boyfriend over the Internet some 4 years ago and he moved to Canada 3 years ago. Last summer when his parents were visiting he finally popped the question. Aka will you move back to Australia with me. I was ecstatic.

Little did I know of how hard this would be. Not hard because I am leaving family members behind. Not hard because I'll most likely never see snow again ( which I love on warm winter days) but hard because of the insane amount of paperwork that included. I thought I was prepared. This is insane.. Really!! But I really hope it will be worth all the troubles and tears and the separation from my boyfriend while my application is being processed and him preparing the ground for our arrival.

Any advices for me?


sara 5 years ago

Even though your information was interesting to read, I didn't find it to be much helpful. I am hoping to i go over to Australia at the end of the year with my kids to visit family on a six month holiday visa at the end of the year, although I would like my stay to be permanent as it would be a great opportunity for my children. The thing is I cant seen to find the information I need to make this possible


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Lissie 5 years ago from New Zealand Author

Hi guys and thanks for all the comments - but lets be very clear here - I don't work in Australain Immigration - they are the only people who can give you accurate information which relates to your circumstance - CONTACT THEM - it costs you nothing to ask. As others have noted though it will cost quite a lot to move when you add up the fees and medicals required never mind the actual costs of moving.

No one can guarantee anyone a job - but frankly if your English is fluent and you are legal you will get a job in places like Perth and Darwin - there is always demand there. Other cities are more difficult - but still not hard - remember Australia isn't having a recession like a lot of the rest of the work.

Sara - you will have to leave after your holdiay visa expires - if you don't you will NEVER get into Australia legally again. The information is available from the Immigration website - see above in this article!

Oh and don't bother paying an "immigration consultant" who will tell you they can help you - all they will do is the same as the Australian's will do - but charge you a fee for it!


Alex 5 years ago

ppl immigrate to Australia to gain citizenship ..and nothing wrong with that cuz it is an immigration nation


alice  5 years ago

as a family we all decided to move to Australia and planned it for 3 years. but once we got here my 17 yr old changed her mind and wants us all to go back to England but my son and husband want to stay and im not sure what to do. my daughter is having trouble finding friends. and just cries.does any one have any advise they can offer. ne live near wollongong.


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Lissie 5 years ago from New Zealand Author

Well she's out numbered isn't she? Frankly at 17 she's old enough to return "home" if she wants to - but I really don't see why you'd uproot your entire family again for - what is probably - her whim - after all she will have left home in a few years anyway?


Righardt 5 years ago

Hey, thanks for all the info:) ime also curious, i have permanent residency in Oz, but still in south africa, i get admitted as an attorney this year and am planning to move to australia end of year. I have done some research and will do a conversion of my degree and then get admitted there, however scared that i wont get the opportunity (brisbane) to work as legal practitioner as the legal markets seem full there and also not sure how much do legal practitioners get paid there?, howerver i am 24 years old and would like to experience life australia, and have family support there...is australia really worth leaving the country you love...south africa being very unstable at this stage any advice?


Ravi 5 years ago

Hey Lissie! Thanks for loads of advice that you have posted here! I am looking for some advice as well :)

I am an Indian I.T professional having 7 years of experience. I am contemplating a move to Australia for permanent settlement. All along in my work experience, I have worked with people across world geographies. I have a knack of working & collaborating with diverse teams & I am a very flexible/approachable person. I can see that my profession is in demand as listed by the AU IMMI board & my little research on Australian job sites also confirms this. My only concern is the recent surge of race issues with Indian nationals studying in Australia. Leading newspapers in India report racist attacks on India students in Australia almost every week! Since last 6 months or so, I have read a multitude of incidents about someone being stabbed, robbed or attacked (very brutally too). I agree with you that racism is everywhere - but is it more violent in Australia? Or is it that Indian newspapers are going out of proportion highlighting incidents which may not necessarily be racist in nature?

What's the local opinion about Indians in Australia after all these incidents? Do you think it would be easy for me to mingle with the society there & be accepted?


jo 5 years ago

hi there im wondering if some one can help me my husband and my four kids are the last of both our familys remaining within the uk both our parents and grandparents brothers and sisters live out there my mum in wa and my husbands in perth i go to australia every 6 to 8 months to vist my family and my partner and my children are desperate to move to wa i have heard about sponsership because bothsets of granparents are being sponsered by our parents we are both unskilled although we have worked in different trades we never had the paperwork to show for it and the children are young and we really want the better life for them how would 2 unskilled parents and four small children get a visa is it even possible please help ty x


amanda 5 years ago

I have been out of Australia for 10 years on and off. I have been in the UK, and I want to go home. But from what I have read, Australia has changed somewhat since I have been away, and I fear that the home that I so fondly remember isn't what I have in my mind at the current time :( I have a little boy and I have married an Englishman who is reluctant to immigrate? I still believe that my little boy will be better of in Oz than i the UK by far, regardless of what I have heard recently.

I feel very sad to think that I am going home to a place that I wont recognise.

Amanda


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Lissie 5 years ago from New Zealand Author

Amanda - no country stays still for 10 years - everywhere has changed in the last 10 years. Australia has at least changed in a good way in that economy is doing well. Your child won't have the same environment that you grew up in no matter where you live- its called progress. The beaches and the weather is still great - and having just been back to the UK for the first time in 10 years - Australia is still not very crowded!


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Marisa Wright 5 years ago from Sydney

@Amanda, I'm a Scot who has lived in Oz for 25 years. Yes, Australia has changed in the last 10 years but not that much - you will still recognise it! Personally, I still think kids have a better lifestyle here than in the UK.

It's tough when you're in a couple and each of you wants to be in a different place. I hope you manage to work it out.


Kat McLaughlin 5 years ago

Hey Lissie - nicely done!

I'm a US citizen and (I believe) past the age where I'd be allowed to emigrate - however - if I ever find out that I'm allowed, here I come!

I'm very lucky, I work for myself, online, have for years, so I make a living no matter where I hang my hat and retirement is about 10 years out, so I'll also have that income.

Does the Australian government ever make exceptions on age?

Thanks,

Kat :)


Jane 5 years ago

Hi Lissie,

I've recently filled in one of those online forms, with my details and am awaiting feedback. I just wondered - before I hear from them - I'm 42, single, a qualified teacher ... am I too old to sort moving to Oz? I've been as a visitor/tourist a few times and love love love it. I find that I'm always defaulting to return. Do you think this is possible?

Many many thanks in advance.


booboo 5 years ago

Hi Lizze

I have family living in melbourne i was wondering what the age cut off would i have a skill that is sort after but i am not sure what the final age cut off point is could you point me in the right direction

Many Thanks


max 5 years ago

I live in Los Angeles currently and i m thinking to move to Australia. What are advantages of living there? and where is the best place to move? I am permanent resident of the USA. I am 30, single, occupied in IT field. Thanks


Oliver 5 years ago

Hi Lizze,

just came accros your web site.I am interested in your opinion if there is any chance for me to work towards Australia PR.Im 35,single,citizen of Czech Republic,but last 7 live in UK,occupation chef,experience in catering-14 years,english-very good,health-good,debts-zero,OZ visited-once,cash-60 thousand pounds,attitude-possitive.Well at the moment still in UK,but i am ready to go in october these year.I plan to give try for 1 year on student visa..but real dream is to find sponcership and work towards my PR.Many thanks for your advice.Oliver


jessica 5 years ago

Hi, my family are considering moving to australia in 2012 and i will be 16 by then, i was wondering what year i would be in when going to college-10,11 or 12

Thank you.


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robyn69 5 years ago from Castries, Saint Lucia

hey i'm from the Caribbean living in St. Lucia. can u tell me if i qualify to migrate to Australia?


Mamdouh Saad Awaad 5 years ago

I want to emigrate to Australia, but It's closed right now. I just want to know when will Australia open?


Piding A 5 years ago

Hi Lizzie

I would very much like to emigrate to Australia with my husband and 4 children for better jobs opportunities and better education for my children. I don't mind starting with cleaning jobs. I'd prefer to live in Perth, Darwin or Melbourne. We can organise our own visas. Please assist me on how to emigrate.


Mighty Mouse 5 years ago

Hi,

I am considering the big move to Australia. However, I am an insulin dependent diabetic. Do you know what happens in terms of payment for medication? Will I have to pay for all my medical bills for pre-exisitjng conditions?


Jill 5 years ago

I will be moving from Ireland to Canberra on my own (eeek!). I got a job & have a great re - settlement package which will make it a bit easier. I see this as an adventure - I've never been, I hate spiders & I love my friends & family but I'd rather give it a go than wonder what if. I have yet to hear negative comments about life in Australia & each to their own. I hope to secure a solid friendship base & embrace all that there is on offer :)


Josh 5 years ago

Hi, I am going to be emigrating to Australia in the next 14 months or so. I have some questions for you Lissie, Is it possible to get PR if you have never went to college in the u.s (the reason is because i have read that Australia doesn't take U.S credits so I think it would be a waste of time/money to go to college over here), no skillset, I have had plenty of job experience though in retail and factory jobs. Im most likely going to have around 8 grand or so to hold myself over until I have found employment in Melbourne Australia.

So any tips on how i can make this work, Australia is honestly my dream home, I don't want to live anywhere else in the world.


Russ 5 years ago

Hi, We have been in Brisbane for 6 years now, my wife has a Masters degree in Philosophy and I was a professional property surveyor/civil servant in the UK, my wife is 48 now and I am 64.

We have found it increasingly difficult here, the Australians seem to go out of there way to make it difficult to transfer professional skills and qualifications out here, they seem to only be interested in manual skills or practical experience which can be proven on the job, they do not seem to value any cerebral thinking or problem solving skills at all. My wife got an opportunity at her commensurate level in the UK after 3 years but at a low salary and it took 2 years for her skills to be recognised and her pay to go up, she still finds it difficult to get the respect she would have in the UK. I gave up looking for work 3 years ago as my qualification was not recognised here and the ageism is unbeleivable, once you are over 52/3/4/5 here you have to stay in the job you are in as you won't get another. There are a lot of barriers to using other countries qualifications here and any body wanting to come as a professional here needs to exercise a lot of care and investigate in depth as to whether they will get their qualification recognised and accepted by firms here.

One of the main problems is that people stay in firms for a very long time here and work there way up to senior levels so there is no room for people to come in and become established at a middling or senior level those positions are reserved for people alrady in the system so you always have to start at the absolute bottom.

It is much more like the UK was 45 years ago, and that sums up Australia very much to my mind, it is very much 30-40 years behind Europe and very resistant to change and very , very resistant to new ideas.

Its immigration policy is to recruit workers to fill the gaps at the bottom end of the labour market, so if you have manual skills and and skills in the medical world such as nursing, pathology etc, you will get a job and you will enjoy a better life style than the UK but it will take you a lot of time and effort to get into a supervisory /lower managerial role, if you are a professional you will find lots of barriers put in your way and any ideas you may have will be ignored until you have done your 10 year apprenticeship which is the overriding concern of all australians at every level.

I am going on a bit about this aspect of life here but it is central to your life in any country, I will say that people are very friendly at a personal 'over the fence'level and we have been treated well by neighbours and aquaintences and live is very much plesanter, no violence, no swearing aggressive yobs in the street, low levels of crime and people are polite and considerate.

It is a great country if you want an outdoor lifestyle and are into sports and travel for the sake of travel and want to do sports and go to the beach its the country for you but if you want a country that is interested in ideas and doing things differently from how they were done 25 years ago you might want to investigate it in depth before you committ yourself.

I think that there is a differece in Sydney and Melbourne but you are then faced with all the downsides of living in a major city and lose the upsides of australia which is the empty beaches and the country.

Property is expensive here and limited in style and size and building standards are lower than the UK, be very careful about buying apartments here there are two problems , 1 , you can find yourselve living in a block where most flats are rented out and therefore nobody bothers about the upkeep of the building and 2, noise transmission, the dividing walls between flats here are not soundproofed as they are in the UK.

I think Australia is good for young people starting out and who have got the time to invest in establishing themselves but my impression is that if you have an established career in the UK don't think that you will transfer out here to anything close to the level you have attained back at home, and homesickness for a decent night out at the pub will be more present the older you are, I personally miss that and the architecture of Europe hugely.

This has been a bit of a stream of consciouness but hope that it might help people thinking about coming , if you do come get your citzenship as soon as you can and also on day one when you have a permanent address get yourself a state driving licence, we got ours just by showing our UK licence and nothing more, they act as an ID for lots if things you need to set up, also get an Australian Bank account set up through the Commonwealth Bank which has a branch in UK.

Lots of luck to one and all but you eon't find us here after next year because we're off to Spain, oh, and I almost didn't mention the politicians here, they are the most feral and self serving bunch outside of the US.


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Lissie 5 years ago from New Zealand Author

@Josh - have you investigated what sort of visa you can get - frankly nowhere in the developed has much need for someone with no work skills (though you will do better in WA or Qlds than most other places).

I agree that your US qualifications may not be recognised - but until you work out the visa situation and the requirements for that in terms of skills/quals/cash - you won't be going anywhere

Wow - thanks for your lengthy comment Russ - certainly shows that there is not one answer for everyone - its all about who you are and what you value in life! Oddly enough - Spain has a huge draw for me too - love the food and the people - but a little nervous about the number of Poms that live there LOL


Russ 5 years ago

For Piding

If you want to emigrate here it is a lengthy job with a lot of hurdles, you have to apply for a visa but you can only apply if your occupation or an occupation you are qualified for and have experience of is on the Australian immigration list of 'Occupations in Demand',(OID) otherwise forget it unless you can get an Australian company to sponsor you for a job which they cannot get an Oz qualified candidate for. whichever way you do it it costs time and quite a lot of money for it, reckon on at least 12 months unless sponsored and more likely 2 years and I would recommend using a migration agent even if you are on the OID list, you should talk to an immigration agent to get their assessment of your chances of getting a visa, the reputable ones will usually give you an assessment of your chances free, our one would only take you on if they were certain you fitted the criteria and then it was up to you to fulfill the polce and medical check.

Be careful not to give any money until they show that you fit the immigration criteria, there are no ifs and buts, you either fit the criteria or there has to be some specific reason that you will succeed, otherwise your application will be rejected and you lose your application fees, check that the immigration agent is registered with the OZ Dept of Immigration as I believe they have to be to submit applications on your behalf, forget anybody who says they will help you to put the application in for a fee.

Hope that helps


Russ 5 years ago

HI Lissie

Thanks for the acknowlegement and the reasons for the Spain move is so that we will be back in europe close to the UK and also because property is so cheap there that we can both retire and live on the equity we generate fom our property sale here ,but glad to chip in with my thoughts.

I did have another thought for wannabees on the immigration employment front, one of the guys who built our house was a plumber from the UK and he had problems with getting his quals accepted here because he had not done a 5 year apprenticeship but had studied and worked and qualified in 3 years and that was a real problem for him to overcome, he did get work as a plumber but could not work self employed nor set up in business without doing a 1 or 2 year course here in Oz, just another obstacle that keeps migrants filling the bottom end jobs. He got round it by buying up a succession of cheap properties and renovating them himself and then selling the house as his sole residence and nobody could stop him from doing work on his own house.

Like I say it is imperative to check things out in depth and not assume that because you get a visa for a job based on quals for that job that you will be able to use that as a springboard on to the next thing.

I am sure that there are ways round all the rules but it usually means breaking some of the rules, but up here in Brizzie there are no end of very well qualified taxi drivers who have given up on the unequal struggle.

I will now stop with my doom and gloom scenarios but I do think that wannabees need to hear some of the things that are a downside as well as the upsides of which there are many.

But hearing the PR spin people are lulled into thinking it is all milk and honey.

And I am going to try to steer clear of the Brit expats in Spain and despite all the publicity given to that issue actually the biggest immigrant pop. is Romanian.

Anyway lets see if we can make it work there, I've got the language CD'S ordered and the EU passports in the bank vault

LoL Russ


Amit 5 years ago

I am an indian and plan on studying for mba in one of the universities out there is it safe and are the people help full m kinda scared can i get sum support if im there?


Josh 5 years ago

Hi Lissie, thanks for the response

I want am going to be getting a Working Visa and most likely a Student Visa/Working Visa, This being said I have been told that I cannot get a loan while I am in Australia for college, So I am just wondering how will i manage to get into a uni if I can't get a loan? Frankly Melb is the only place i want to live, all of my friends and people i know live there. Would it be possible if I got a minor trade skill liscense over here in the U.S and emigrated to Aus. Would it be easier to get a job/perm residency?


russ 5 years ago

For Amit

Try logging on to 'expatforum.com' it has a lot more activity on it and you will find a lot more people from the indian-sub-continent on it.

You need to contact the student union at some of the universities you are considering to get feedback from them and existing students LoL


Eric 5 years ago

Lissie,

Thanks for the information. My motivation for moving is to be free of the grip of the economic/credit system here in my home country of the U.S. Love my country, but I am drowning on all sides from the inability to find gainful employment, to establish myself better in life. I am certainly wanting to take on a beautiful wife, possibly have kids, which is next to impossible here in the States (down South). I do date interracially, that is what I prefer, and I understand that Australia is accepting of the African American male. I have friends that live in Perth and in Sydney that attest to that. Still, my main motivation is to start over economically, and be able to support myself to the point of buying a nice home and car. I am very interested in Sydney, that is where I plan to move. I understand that unemployment in Australia hovers around 5.1 percent. Even though you mentioned the job market maybe a bit flat in Sydney, that is where I want to be. My goal is to try to secure a position before I make my 24 hour plane ride to Australia to stay. I am going to seek dual citizenship so I will be able to take advantage of the benefits of a citizen, i.e. health care, purchasing a home, buying a car, voting in the general elections, etc. I am researching everything that I need to know, working to start a bank account there for the purpose of funneling start up funds there.


weina 5 years ago

I came to long island, NY from Sydney, Australia 2004. I am a U.S. citizen and Australian citizen.I worked and lived in Sydney for 7 years. People are very nice and warm. Woman populations ratio more than Man. No property tax. free health care. streets are very clean. I am planning move back to Sydney after my daughter went to university in Europe. but my investment houses keep drop the value, couldn't sell, but the property tax going up every year. Pay health insurance paid every month(self employed) U.S. Dollar is weak right now. I can't see a future..


Vicky 5 years ago

Hi, thank you so much for your info. My husband has just applied for a job in Australia, Adelaide and we will be moving from the UK. If successful, which we have been assured he will be, we will be getting full sponsorship and signing a 5 year contract. We have 3 children, the oldest being 12. Does anyone know the (aprox) amount of time it takes to get visas through etc if being sponsored? I am excited but also scared, in pretty much equal amounts atm to be honest. I am mainly worried about the kids fitting in and being accepted there. Has anyone any stories or preferably first hand experience of their own kids?


Birdie 5 years ago

Hi there! My husband and I ( 2 children aged 9), have decided to move to Australia as the recession here hits harder and harder. I am a nurse with over 15 years experience so I know I can work but will 1 salary be enough to support a family of 4? My husband has a law degree and has worked as a solicitor for 20 years but unfortunately his business has gone under and he is now without work. Will his loss of a business affect his visa and ability to work over there? He's had a life time of law and wants to try something else but what else is he qualified for!! We really want to give it a go in Brisbane but we're nervous because if he doesn't work we won't be much better off financially then we are here..... But part of us feel might as well sit out the recession in the sun and what an experience for our young very active boys! Decisions decisions!! Anyway great Hub keep posting!!


Jerry0928 5 years ago

A lot of really great information here!

A work oportunity was recently brought up to me by a nice Australian couple that I met while on vacation in South America. I am 30, and live in New york City. I have dreamed of leaving this very hectic crazy city for someplace more suited to my loves. I scuba dive, rock climb, surf and hike. I work in construction management with the large utility company here. The opportunity that was brought up to me was for work with BHP Billiton, a large mining company. The work would be in Western Australia. It would likely be a pay increase, and They would set me up to live. How is life in the west? Every bit of research that I find shows that it's beautiful, but mostly mining communities. Will I meet people that I don't work with? It's a big move, and I'm excited about the idea of it, but I can't really find much informtion about the style of living in WA.

Thank you so much for your help!


Brian meyer 5 years ago

Hi i am a gamer who has a few online gaming mates. Since i am looking for work here in the usa since 2008 and haven't been very sucessful my mates from nz aus told me to move to either of there countrys they think i would do well especially me being very fun social and optimistic.For the few yrs i have been unemployed off and on. My skills are 6yrs of human resources as a soldier in the u.s army military as a soldier i dont know if that would help in that field hasn't here in The usa. Before the army i spent 3. Yrs working in a grocery store Usa jobs wont recover i moved all around he usa looking for work with no luck sad part is i got no money to move but when i get enough for a ticket look out mates brians deploying. hopefully i can use my veterans benefit to go to a aus school and i can get duel citizenship. I always heard ppl must return back to there home country after so many yrs to maintain citizenships also i am worried about us taxes every yrs when i can home from korea 3yrs after the irs called me wondering why i never file that yrs. And i was going to be arested for fraud i cleared it up but that was a military assignment doest worki g in aus give me an exemption also i would hope so tyvm for all these question stories and info every post has helped in some way about my future choice and decision and i hope from hearing from what you think lissie.sorry a out the spell error it a cell phone typo if there are any feel free to email me at berserker8984@yahoo.com gday:D


Mags 5 years ago

Hi lissie I'm a 52 year old hubby 55 my son moved out to Oz feb 2010 he has applied for permanent residence he's nearly there with it he works on mines earning great money, my daughter her hubby and my two grandchildren are now all looking into going , I will have to go to as I would miss them all too much I live in Belfast a place were you can't seem to get ahead and weather is miserable, I also have 9 cousins and an aunt out there they have been there about 45 years what would my hubby's and my chance be getting a visa and is Perth a good place for over 50's we both work


Russ 5 years ago

Hi Birdie

As a nurse you will be able to take your pick of jobs and may even get sponsership, or at least that was the situation 12 months ago, just check where they want you to work, some hospitals in the smaller 'cities' are pretty woeful in terms of doctor staffing and this can have an impact on nursing staff.

One salary is enough to live on but it might be a bit of a scrape, depends what you are used to, decent rentals in brisbane near one of the main hospitals will be around $375-425 for a 3/4 bed, possibly 2 bath but no rates as the landlord pays those, I would urge you to read my posts from about a week ago, we live very well and our food bill for a week for two is around $225 average, electric is about $550 a quarter but that is for a big house with pool, petrol is around $1.45/L, second hand cars are expensive $10-15k for a 6 year old car, insurance and car tax are about the same as UK if you reckon on it costing the same in dollars as pounds in the UK, but for your husband work might be difficult, as I say just look at my previous posts.

Do think about your social life, the world of the pub is not really available, or at least not in Queensland.

Australia is a long way from anywhere, so do think carefully before you make the decision.

I do sympathise hugely with wanting to leave the UK but it is a huge step, I think if you are working in a hospital with a wide group of people it is probably easier to make friends than we have found it, mainly because my wifes job is running an organisation which ties her up often 6 days a week and limits who she can be close to.

On the whole we have done better out here than we would have done in the UK and there are more options than in the UK but there are some downsides

The upsides are that you can live in a very middling area and it will be a pleasant experience with low levels of crime, the schools are a bit hit and miss I feel, but they are generally smaller, and away from the poorer areas, are I think on the whole better than the UK, if you like the beach , camping and are not averse to roughing it a bit this will suit you fine.

The weather at the moment is idyllic nights are 10-15c and the days are warming to 25/6c, the heat will start in about 4-6 weeks and the temp will rarely drop below 22c at night and days will be 28-30c but the humidity will be up at 60-65%, that's here in Brisbane.The winter has been long and cold by our now acclimatised standards, night temps down to 8c and days at 15/16c, the last 2 years have been wet, anything up to 75mm in a day, when it rains here its like standing under a hosepipe.

And finally the days are shorter than the UK in the summer , there is little between summer and winter days sunset in winter is 5.00 and in the summer about 7.00.

Finally , finally, my wife has found it difficult to recruit an office manager/operations manager for her medical research charity with pay in the 70k area , maybe that would be something your husband would think about, there are lots of openings for people with book keeping skills and there is a bookkeeping package called MYOB which firms want you to have and it is not very expensive to take a course in, I think something in the order of $2-4k at the most, do your checks before enrolling with anyone though there are a lot of scam colleges here

Hope this helps


darren 5 years ago

Hi Lissie,We have lived in Australia for the last 5 years in Rockhampton and Bundaberg and have made no friends,we still feel like outsiders and not fully welcomed.We are thinking of trying Adelaide in hope of more culture and welcoming outlook to us.Any tips or ideas would be greatly received.


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Lissie 5 years ago from New Zealand Author

@Jerry - if BHP is moving you to a mining town (ie not Perth or Geraldton or Broome) - the only people in town will work for the company - that's how it is - its one of the reasons the money is so good. The other alternative is that they will base you in Perth and you will fly in/out of the location on a regular roster. For me that's a better option - because then you have a block of time to dive, hike whatever.

the lifestyle is very outdoor orientated (not so much ballet and art galleries!), so it sounds like you will be just fine. At 30, particularly with no dependents why not go for it - sounds like you'd love it. If you don't you can always move on again after a few years - quite a few dollars richer.

@Brian - its not so much its the word order and lack of paragraphs.... You need money to move to australia - you need airfares, you need to be able to support yourself before you get a job, you will need money for the visas. There is no requirement that I've ever heard of that requires you to return to a country to retain citizenship - yes you need to sort out your taxes - but that's what we pay accountants for.

wow - Russ -thanks for the detailed response - I'm sure that will help anyone thinking of moving.

@Mags - I would have thought that having so many of your family in australia would help - but as I've said before check the official Australian immigration website to see if your age is a barrier. You should also check about whether any pension you have in the UK could be brought to Australia. Health insurance would be an issue too - we found it very expensive and were younger than you - so decided we'd just go home if there were major medical issues.

You really need to go and spend some time in Perth before you decide to move - I have relatives in co Down and I can't think of a country with a bigger contrast in climate, lifestyle than N. Ireland and Perth! You may like it, you may not - its hard for anyone to advise you on that. Lets put it this way - the locals wear hats and gloves if the temp is 15C in Perth!

@Darren - cities always have more "culture" than small towns - that's why I'd never live in a small town - but it really depends on what you mean about culture?

Really when I move to a new town I don't expect people to drop everything and welcome me in. If making local friends are important to you then you have to make a huge effort to get out and network and join and really make an effort. Personally I don't tend to bother and the people who seem best are it are those with children (probably because they have to).


Trevor 5 years ago

Hey Lissie im a young 24yr. that is very much interested in moving to Sydney sometime between Sept. and Nov. of 2012. I did a working holiday down there in 2008 and absolutely loved it, I guess I got slightly lucky since I managed to have a job before the finance collapse happened and what not. But ever since I came back home to Vancouver B.C. I have been thinking about moving back to Sydney permanently and I kind of just wanna go for it next year.

I really loved the nice long summers there and the city life, I also find they pay you alot more there than they do here in Vancouver and living costs seem the same to me. I am interested however in getting into the Hotel Industry in Sydney only im not quite sure how to move there permanently and get into the hotel industry down there. Any advice you can offer on that?


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Lissie 5 years ago from New Zealand Author

Trevor - check out the official immigration site of the Australian government - but in short you will need skills that Australia wants - check the site for the current list -it may well be that you need to "get into the hotel" industry before you get into australia - but check the site for what professions are in demand - and beware that they change from time-to-time


Josh 5 years ago

Hi Lissie, thanks for the response

I want am going to be getting a Working Visa and most likely a Student Visa/Working Visa, This being said I have been told that I cannot get a loan while I am in Australia for college, So I am just wondering how will i manage to get into a uni if I can't get a loan? Frankly Melb is the only place i want to live, all of my friends and people i know live there. Would it be possible if I got a minor trade skill liscense over here in the U.S and emigrated to Aus. Would it be easier to get a job/perm residency?


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Lissie 5 years ago from New Zealand Author

As far as I know Josh - getting accepted into Uni is not dependent on being able to pay for it. I would doubt that you will get a loan on a temporary visa (which is what a student one is) - you will also be paying full international fees - not the subsidised fees that Australians pay - so being accepted won't be your issue.

You need to study the Oz immigration site and look at what skills they need at the moment


Birdie 5 years ago

Hi Russ, thank you for you're detailed reply it certainly has given us lots to think about ! So are u offering my hubbie a job ;-) !! We're more then likely looking at the sponsored route with my qualification and will research the different hospitals on offer .I read ur earlier posts and indeed it may be difficult for my husband but he's willing to work and ran his own business for 20 years but I hear what ur saying , it's highly unlikely he'll walk into the equivalent there.

We'll keep researching at the moment but the other thing that worries me now is the weather ! We want to get away from rain ;-) .Heat and humidity don't suit either ... Why are we thinking about Brisbane ;)...lol..

Anyway thanks again , hopefully we'll make a decision soon !!


Phoebe 5 years ago

Congratulations for your very helpful site! I am 28 years old, from Athens, Greece, and thinking about looking for a job in Australia. I am a Lawyer, with Masters of Law (LLM) in International Environmental Law and I speak 4 languages (including Greek). Do you think I have any chances of finding a job there and obtain a visa? Plus, could you recommend any sites to look at?

thank you very much in advance!


irishemi 5 years ago

Hi, myself and my husband along with our 2 children age 5 are thinking of emigrating to Perth. My husband is an electrican who has been out of work a year and a half here in Ireland.. Im so nervous of the move as I am quite close to my family and have made lots and lots of good friends here in Ireland but this country has nothing but debt and its leaving us all in unknown territory as far as future opportunities lie.. We have about 15K saved up which we are prepared to use to emigrate but I was thining of perhaps spending 6 weeks out in Perth first before I give up my job, which pays quite good here in Ireland, to see if we liked Australia - Ive been on a working holiday 10 years ago (I did miss home, but I was 21 at the time).. now Im thinking of my familys future needs and opportunities.. My question is whether we should spend 5-6K on this 6 week case study per say or should we put it towards or planned emigration as it looks quite expensive to emigrate. I could perhaps instead look for a year career break and just go for the year first??.. Its such a hard decision to make is 5-6K spent researching maybe worth while in the long run as it would answer certain questions that we would need answered before we make this big decision.. Do you know anyone else who has done it this way??


Russ 5 years ago

Hi Birdie

The weather here in Bris is very unpredictable in some senses we had 3 years of drought, the tail end of a 9 year drought, when we came, then 2 years of rain, but the rain is more like the monsoon, very heavy, lasts for days but the weather is still hot, at the moment it is early spring with a temp of upper 20's in the day, very hot sun, and lower teens late at night, during the summer which is the traditional wet season here the temp will go up into upper twenties /thirties with humidity in the 50-70%, we acclimatised after 2/3 years, but I like the heat and hate the cold, I think the humidity often makes it feel torrid, in summer there is little difference between night and day temps, only 5/7 degrees.

Sydney and Melbourne are more temparate and the extremes are less pronounced and less humid but they still get hot in the summer.

one indicator of the climate here in bris is that they grow pinapples down the road from me and north QLD grows all the sugarcane for oz and it used to produce all the bananas until they got blown away in the last hurricane, we won't have bananas at a reasonable price for another 6 months.

Sorry about the job offer but I thought it would give you a guage of what the job market is like.

We spoke to some friends from the UK last night and I was shocked at how they were struggling despite them both being in steady middle class jobs, standards are lower here in every sense but people in quite ordinary jobs seem to get by reasonably well, there is far less keeping up with the jones's here.There is air con but it costs to run and we hardly use it, that is why our electric bill is as low as it is and we use solar heated hot water. if you have been to spain in the summer then that is the climate we have but with a lot more rain and lot more humidity. Its difficult to say but we rarely get weeks of grey skies and wet it is more like 2/3 days of heavy rain with it still quite warm or hot in the summer and then clear blue sky and sun for weeks st a time then more episodes of rain

HI IRESHEMI

I would RECOMMEND you read my posts from previous weeks and for your husband to thoroughly research how much of his qualifications are acceped in WA because each state has its own qualification standards and to find out what he has to do to run his own business, contact the state govt officers and find out all the requirements.

I think all the big mining companies want skilled staff and may sponsor him and they would advise on quals and give training but it is a very tough life but very well paid, often it is the same as working on an oil rig.

I think if you can get a job offer before you come I would suggest you just make the leap, but you have to bear in mind that the house building industry has taken a dive here also but nothing like in Ireland I'm sure. So like I say look at my previous postings and look to see if there's the option of sponsership from one of the miners, the construction industry here is much more union dominated than the UK with the unions often deciding who will work on sites, so it may be worthwhile talking to the unions here to see if you can get accepted as a member. I am not sure that you will learn more in 6 weeks that you can learn over the net, look on realestae.com for property all over australia to rent and buy and you will get an idea of the market, most areas in the provincial cities are quite safe , the cheaper areas are just in industrial areas or a bit dilapidated , I worked in an area here which all the brisbonians thought was hideous and a complete slum, I thought it was perfectly pleasant after working in Lambeth , Tottenham and Speke in liverpool

LoL to one and all

Russ


shayne 5 years ago

there seems to be a varied opinion of living in aus. as a resident who has travelled a bit i think the one thing we have going for us is our nature, call us lazy or un educated if you like, but we are generally nice people so if you come over look me up and i will be more than happy to have a beer with you. yes lots of snakes and spiders everywhere, oh and dont forget the sharks!


keego 5 years ago

Hi

I have a job offer in Mackay North QLD Salary is about 70k my wife is a hairdresser and will look for part time work once we arrive. My offer is with a Government agency and will be sponsored , Can anyone give us an insight to what living in Mackay is like we are both early 30s and have two kids 11 and 1 . We are just a bit unsure of what its like and schools for the kids etc. Anybody know what its like to nwork for government agencies in QLD what's the cost of living I was looking at renting in Beaconsfeild area of Mackay.

Any responces would be great

Thanks


5 years ago

Hey,

I am choosing to live in Perth. I currently live in a medium sized town in the north west of Ireland.. I love the bustle of big cities but that are not all concrete such as new York.

My main reason to move is I am unhappy in Ireland and feel I need a change I never wanted to settle in ireland anyway and turned 25 so feel I need to get in gear and make a move.

I have family in Perth and this is why I am choosing it.

I also am a homosexual man and in need of someplace where there is more of an option for me. Although my town is reasonable gay friendly as in I never get any ridicule apart from the rare visitor from outside of town. Prob twice in 8 years..

I also would like an option of more jobs in different industries and as Perth is a booming city i feel it is a good choice.

I have visited before and like it, it's a bit quieter then expected but still more active then where I am now.

Could you tell me if you think it is a good choice to make and have you any recommendations on finding the above?

I.E Job and social life.

Although I have been there for a week or two it's one think visiting on a holiday and another staying long term.


Natalie 5 years ago

Thank you so much for this awesome hub :) I am wanting to relocate from SA to either Aus or NZ ... have friends in both. Am looking into the different options and pro's and con's before I bug them for further information.

I am in the very early stages of my quest but will save this page as a favorite and return again soon :)

Thank you again for your tips, advice and very pretty pics.


glitterbug23 5 years ago

Hi lissie, this page is great! Im 26 and moving out to Aus next year all by myself (very scary). My application process is already underway, and given im a theatre nurse im led to believe I can pretty much go anywhere. I deally I want to go to Sydney, but obviously I wont know anyone so any advice on the best way to get out and meet people would be great!x


Umakant 5 years ago

wow lessie, look at the participants on your page. Thank you for such a wonderful and informative collection of ideas. I appreciate your kindness and attention towards each and everyone. i have read almost all the comments and your reply. Its mixed opinions about migrating to australia. Meantime, I realised that no-one has talked about the field which I am in. I would appreciate if you can shower a light on my concerns as well. I am in initial process of applying for PR and if all goes well, I would land in australia by mid of next year. I am into IT equipement sales having 6+ years experience in India, I would like to know the various opportunities in this sector, is it demanding? my profession is listed in australia SOL. Where I need to concentrate more in australia (States), If you would like to share any more information apart from above will be highly appreciated. Thanks cheers


Guido 5 years ago

I reckon that if someone just comes to Australia and expects to be employed straight away is asking for trouble. Yes unemployment may be low but a lot of it is low skilled and temporary. The best bet is to look at the skilled occupation list (http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/sol/)which is used to define who can apply without a sponsoring employer by the Australian Department of Immigration.


Audrey 5 years ago

Hi this page has great information which leads me to posting my own question here. I am a 29 yr old Malaysian woman. Am really interested to migrate to Australia as I have a sister living in Sydney. However, I have been told by my agent that my job skills(business/report analyst in F&B industry) is not in the critical skill list. However, his advice is to go for employment sponsorship for 4 years in the mining towns which has a shortage of employees. Worst come to worst, I might opt for admin work there. Anyways, can you advice me what my chances are and what are the working conditions like in the mining towns (in the regional states)? Is it easy for a foreigner to make friends in the mining towns? What would be the challenges that I would possible face? Any advice would be deeply appreciated.


Amanda 5 years ago

Hi, lissie i was looking at emigrating in a couple years by then my daughter will be 18years old. She is looking at going to university in Australia to do her degree in teaching. I was wondering would she get help with university fees like you do in the UK, and is she better of going for a student Visa or going on my visa

Another question I have is that I have a foundation degree as a drug and alcohol counsellor, but I looked at skilled visa and it does not give me points for this degree, is this not classed as a skill.?

Many Thanks

AMANDA


Russ 5 years ago

Hi KEEGO ( FROM BRISBANE)

I would look carefully at rental prices in MaCkay, look at realestate.au and domain.com , which carry rental properties across Oz, be careful because this is a hotspot for the mining industries in that area and rentals are , if the papers are to be believed, expensive for this reason.

I would recommend you read my posts from last month on this blog, also you have to remember that Govt jobs are much sought after here so it says something that thay are recruiting you from overseas. But it is a good deal to get yourselves here and then work from there, just watch out for any conditions attached to the sponsership such as tying you to mackay for an extended period.

I have not lived in Mackay so I will only say that it is smallish place with all the downsides of being a small provincial town which is a long way from a big place and transport links are not what you would expect if you are coming from Europe.

I think your biggest prob will be getting a rental property, ask your employer if they will help , at least with the paperwork for getting one, when you are looking for a place make sure it has air con and mozzie screening to doors and windows.

If you have the time and money come out and have a look.

It is always different for everybody , its what your expectations are of a place but there are some real issues around what the mining boom in northern Queensland is doing to prices for everything in these areas, so just make some enquiries with the people at the place where you are going to work, they will be only too happy to talk to you, Australians are usually willing to tell you things, find out who the union is for your area of work and ring their headquarters and ask them some questions they usually have a handle on things but be careful not to say you are being sponsored as a migrant, they are dead against it , just make out you have been made an offer and you are in Perth and just want to get

'the heads up ' before you make the move.

I am a bit disillusioned at the moment so my view is a bit negative, but compared to what I'm reading about europe this place is still expanding and jobs are still growing and there is a future for young people, but things are not cheap and outside the major cities facilities are limited and sometimes quite rough at the edges, one thing, whilst I think about it is to look at the cost of childcare, if your wife is thinking of working, and also the proximity of rented housing to decent schools, there are usually school buses from rural areas but they don't always get you to the best schools, and the times that schools finish at.

I would not want to deter you from making the move but the more info that you have before the easier it is to make the adjustment to living in situation which is very different to European urban living, it has its upsides the weather is generally better, the wildlife and birds are fantastic tho noisy, and sports are very available , especially the beach, but do check out the stingers on the net if sea swimming is what you are thinking about.

Have you been on google earth and used their street cameras to look at Mackay that will give you an idea of what it looks like and give you a feel for the size of the place and show you the choice of transport links to elsewhere and also look at Queensland meterological reports for weather

LoL Russ


Simoun 5 years ago

Howdy lissie, great hub you got here. quite informational.

I am currently planning to study a 2 year course in CIT next year and I was wondering if I can bring my girlfriend as dependent. How does that work? Your reply would be very much appreciated. thanks liz


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Lissie 5 years ago from New Zealand Author

You need to check the terms of your visa - in general though a dependent can't work or study ...


sara 5 years ago

ive been looking into moving to australia for better job opportunities, but i dont know how to find a job before getting there. im a textile/fashion designer with 7 years of experience working in Pakistan. do u have any advice or info on entering the fashion industry in australia, or maybe you could guide me to a website that would have the info i require.

thanks!


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Josephine 5 years ago

Dear Lissie,

I'm very happy to have found your blog. I'm 35 and German but have lived in the UK - with my British husband and my son, 10 y. (who was born in Germany) and our daughter, 8 m. (who was born in UK) - for the last 5 years.

I have always been interested in other cultures and always have dreamed of moving to either Canada, Australia or South Africa, out of those I only visited South Africa and I love the beauty of this country but the political instability is not something what would make me feel comfortable living there, especially for my kids. I have to say I'm not too happy with living in the UK, while people are mostly friendly and very polite I find it very very hard to make friends and believe me, I have been trying. I'm a very outgoing person and like a social life, inviting people over, going out, chatting to neighbours, all the things we used to do in Germany but here, people are very private and seem to want to often only be within their own family. Our relationship with my husbands family is not great, we get on but they don't show interest in us at all so we with moving away we wouldn't miss them as we hardly see each other anyway. We also love hot summers, and we do loads of activity outside which is quite difficult in the UK, considering the last couple of summers with average temperatures of 15 degrees! We love the hazzle and buzzle of big cities but prefer to live in the suburbs not too far from it.

So, my questions to you, after all this palaver ;-), how are Australians towards strangers/foreigners? What would be the best age for my kids (mainly my son as he would start secondary school with 11 y., I.e. next year? How do Australians schools dealm with bullying etc? Is there a general school system or is it different from county to county? What do you think where would be the best areas to live for our family, considering outdoor activities, cities, kids, schools, work?

I am really looking forward to hearing from you as I find you to be very considerate towards both aspects, the positives and negatives.

KR Josi


David 5 years ago

I am an Australian middle aged man living in HObart, Tasmania. I can recommend this city for it's simple lifestyle with lower stress, and more friendliness. I lived in Melbourne and Sydney for years, but I found it very hard to live in these cities. NOt as friendly and alot more stress. Melbourne recently won the most livable city in the world vote, but I think it is not deserved. Brisbane city would have been a much better choice in Australia, except for the recent floods. I have for the most part found Australia to be a clean and reasonably safe country to live in, but Australia sure has it's share of boggins. Especially in Sydney, Melbourne, and Canberra. Brisbane too. I am planning on moving to Cairns later with my Chinese Wife, and I think for the cost of living, and the lifestyle, Cairns might be a great choice for Australia. Housing prices are so low at the moment. I love Queensland. FOr me HObart or Cairns are probably the best choices in Australia, and for a big city, I would choose Brisbane every time. I have lived in China as well and I find China is a much more friendly country to live in, and alot safer and cheaper to live. Xiamen City is wonderful in south east China opposite the Taiwan Strates.


David 5 years ago

For a country Australia is probably more fiendly than many other western countries in the world, but compared to Asia I still find it to be not as friendly. HObart I have found to be the friendliest, and Brisbane is a truly amazing lifestyle. Still I would prefer to live and work in a good city in China with my partner and where most of my friends are.


RUSS 5 years ago

Dear Josephine

The only thing I can say is read my posts over the last 3 weeks, I will admit that I am a bit disillusioned so I would factor that in when reading my stuff. To try and be fair to Oz if you are not interested in politics and don't care about the way things are done then I think you can have a good lifestyle here, but watch out for the cost of housing and the cost of food, look at Realestate.com, and the other factor is the strong dollar, the exchange rate is $1.50, when we came it was $2.50.

For jobs and life style I think Perth is a good option, but do think that it is about 3+ hours to get to anywhere else in Oz, schools are reasonable but I read differing reports about standards, check out whther schools have air con because here in Brisbane a lot don't and its punishing learning in the heat, but that's an observation from outside as I have no children here, I think one of the advantages here is that there is far less thuggery in the schools than in the UK so children I think benefit from that and children are expected to be polite and not create mayhem on the streets and public transport which makes life pleasant. Binge drinking and advertising of alcohol is a big problem.

If you are thinking of doing it you need to see if your occupation is on the list of occupations in demand so that you can embark on the migration process. If you are going to do it come over and consider the following

cost of housing

cost of food and especially clothes and footwear

What entertainment , pubs, clubs, restaurants there are close to where you might live

Cuture, theatres, music venues there are ( if that interests you)

look st what public transport is like for the area you are considering

Think about how far you are from europe , you can't just pop home to catch up with people and do some shopping at M&S or John Lewis

I think if you have a young family and enjoy the outdoors and sre young enough to start over again then I think Oz offers a lot but it does have its downsides which need to be considered

Best wishes for the future

Russ


David 5 years ago

I like Australia


DeeIrl 5 years ago

Hi, Firstly - great site.. I am a 27 yr old single mother from Ireland who is struggling financially and finding myself fed up basicially! I am in full time employment but there has been big changes in recent years as in most companies here since the recession hit (pay freeze, no perks etc..). I have recently been considering a move to Oz but am concerned about school and lifestyle for my 7 yr old, also if only having one income would work. I know a large number of people who have moved mostly to Sydney and love it, but these are single people so I would love to hear from families or girls in the same situation who have made this move to see is it an option and would it work out?!

Cheers :)


amy dee 5 years ago

HI Iam very confused.iam Canadian end my husband is a Newzealander i haved lived in Nz for 8 years and iam ready to go back home but my husband thinks Oz will be a better place to live than Edmonton Canada were all of my family live.and we only know 1 person in Perth.We also have one 7 year old child.WERE Do we go to live Canada or Perth Australia?any suggestions.


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Lissie 5 years ago from New Zealand Author

Good advice there Russ - I agree - I shocked to find out that schools in Perth aren't a/c'ed yet -96% of people who live their have a/c in their homes - weird!

@Deelri - some issues for you immigrating anywhere - first you won't get any state benefit - you will have to earn enough to support your family and pay for child care, that's if you can even get a visa with a dependent.

The other issue is the child's father - in NZ its hard for parents to get permission to take children out of the country permanently thereby perventing the other parent's access.

@amydee- you've lived in NZ for 8 years but you talk about going "home" - it won't be "home" for your husband. It doesn't sound like he's that keen. What's his relationship like with your family? How does he feel about cold - I've lived in Vancouver but I could never live in Edmonton - waay too cold for me. Would either of you be able to get work? Personally I'd vote for Perth - because of the weather - but I really don't think that's the issue here. Is important for your child to know their extended family? How happy with you both be in either Perth or Canada? In some ways I'd see Perth a neutral place, though you will have to commit to some extensive travel to keep in contact with both families if that's important to you.


Damian 5 years ago

My brother and I moved back to Ireland from Brisbane in 2008. Main reason was family and lack of professional recognition in what i would consider a backward State. We both had residency visas and years of experience as an Engineer and IT professional. Even though Ireland is in the shit at the moment, we both got well paid jobs here when we got back and don't regret the move back home. It's great to spend my weekends with my parents and sisters again. Nothing can replace your family when your on the other side of the world. My older brother is still in Brisbane with his Irish wife and 2 kids. Everytime he comes home to Ireland it breaks his heart and ours when he leaves with my neice and nephew. They are growing up in Oz without their grandparents or Aunts and Uncles to support them. There is a whole emotional side to moving to Australia. Take it from someone whose been there, done that. My advice is to think about not what your leaving behind but who and how important they are to you. I know lots of people leave the UK and Ireland for work and financial reasons but if you think Oz is going to somehow solve all your problems...........think again.


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Analicia62 5 years ago from Kelowna, BC

Hi,Im from Kelowna, BC Canada and married to an Australian from Townsville, Q'ld. for 5 yrs now. We are both 50,(umm 49 and holding, lol) We plan on moving to Townsville in 2013. My husband is a blue-collar worker but has enough connections to get work there and his whole family is there(elderly parents, siblings and hopes to get more connected to his 4 kids, who are all 23-29 yrs old)My parents passed on the past 2 yrs and I have no kids, therefore theres nothing holding me down here. I live just south of Vancouver, BC now for 20 yrs but from Kelowna BC for 20 yrs originally. I love it here and I would truly miss the snow-peaked mountains, brisks walks and snow hanging off the trees, lake water and fresh air. But it seems the rain and cold weather lasts longer than I prefer as I get older and my husband doesn't care for it either. He is a permanent resident and we are waiting for him to be approved as a CA. citizen before we move, hopefully for 2013. Just prior to that I will apply for my PR to get over there. My husband is so friendly and hes your layed back Aussie who loves Rugby and stubbie beers and being more outdoors than we can here. We both are not into winter sports and love to swim, relax, and be around people outdoors. I hope to get into Corrections over there but I know I have to be a citizen first which could take up to 2 yrs. I know,patience.mm. Meanwhile I think I can work on a workvisa at other non-gov't places. I have much waitressing experience for bars, restaurants in the meantime and hope I can find work there until I find a career in Corrections or as a secretary. :) We have approx. 125k to land there. We can stay with his family for 2mths but then we plan to rent for 6mths first. My husband plans on moving there first to find employment for 6mths to be recognized by the bank for a mortgage loan. As soon as he gets his CA passport, he will be going there. I will stay here for 6mths alone, sell our house and by Aug and things go smoothly, I will move over there and quit my job after 15 yrs in Corrections, which honestly, I need a break from it for now..but since I know how to do it so well..still plan on doing it over there. Do you think the odds are in our favour? Do you think I'll get hired being a cougar? lol My present boss said he would hire me if I was 50 as long as I was able to pass the physical test..hes giving me confidence but still, I'll work at Woolies if I have to. I hope I get accepted there as a Canadian. What do you know of jobs, etc in Townsville also. Im glad that I'll have family there to support my move, or I'll be wired to stubbies. hahaa..hope to hear from you soon, thanks! I know the cost of living is high there..but we're willing to ruff-it for the first year..we're both old 70s beachbums but do love to work and enjoy life and that takes some money and employment. Life is short so we just want to live, love and laugh as we go into 60's, 70's and honestly, after 30 yrs..it really dont matter,lol Love your site :D Hope to hear from you..you look like a true-blue gal..cheers mate.


o'connor 5 years ago

how easy is it for someone in South Africa to move to Australia, bcz aparently african people find it very difficult to move there... why is tht?? and wat cn one do to move to australia??


julie 5 years ago

hi we are thinking of moving abroad to Australia my husband is qualified as a plumber and I'am studying but I had a police record when i was 14 as was fighting will this affect my visa and will I be able to move over ?????


analicia62 5 years ago

Julie? How are old are you now and are you in CA or USA?If in Canada I had a record at 14-15 also but if there is that many years seperating 14 to 18 which is legal and you had no other charges as a juvenille you shouldnt have a problem, I didnt. I also hada record as an adult in my late 20's but applied for a pardon thru Ottawa and now have no record but dont tell that to the US for they dont recognize CA pardens..just say NO I dont have one, once you get pardoned which takes 6mths. What you should do is go to your local police department and get a record check for $25.CAN. Pay now but it will give you some peace of mind. :-) If you're in the USA google that to get some info ok? Hope I helped a bit..good luck. Im sure if you had only a record at 14..it shouldnt affect your adult record.


Janece 5 years ago

Hi,

I am an Australian Citizen but a permant resident in the US ( Texas). I am married to a US citizen and have two kids. I would like to take kids and hubby back home to WA for a couple of years to let them experience a different culture and way of living to the US right now while they are young enough. (8 and 11). I work in a very high stress advertising sales job with deadlines etc and need a RESET! The kids are keen to go as they have visited some and Hubby just wants me to be happy but will go anywhere he said and if AUS for a few years will make me happy then he is on board. He is concerned about uprooting the kids and flying on a whim. I have alot of family that works in the mines and has alot of connections. They all live in Northam WA though. My concerns are the benefits to the kids of a new culture and experience and getting jobs when out there. I was born and bred in the country so that lifestyle will do me just fine but my hubby and kids are very much suburbs people! It is alot of money to go and get a spousal Visa and kids citizenship paperwork etc and I want to know thoughts on pro's and cons. I feel if I dont do it now for them they will be too rooted and wont be willing and it is something I have wanted for them since birth...just the opportunity and a chance to be around that family etc! We will go with nothing but we have a huge support system there and a place to live and cars to drive already set up!

Thanks


David 5 years ago

Hello everyone, I am going up to Cairns in north eastern Australia Queensland State,on Monday until Thursday afternoon to do research on the living conditions and the culture there. I am currently living in HObart Tasmania, at the bottom of Australia, and it's cold down here. I will take lots of photos and talk to a number of people, and check out the Economy there too. If anyone is interested in knowing about my trip, and my feelings about living in Cairns after next Friday 21st, please drop me a line here and I will send you photos and my Cairns results. :)


Russ 5 years ago

Education standards:-

Just read an alarming report on the variation in education standards across schools in poor and rural areas of Australia, article was in Sydney Morning Herald and their website is smh.com.au,titled 'Gap between poor and rich schools growing' and is a report on research by ' Trevor Cobbold' of 'Save our schools' and was commented on by 'The Australian Council of State School Organisations' and also an interesting statistic that Australia spends the least of all OECD countries, as a percentage of GDP, on Higher Education,relying heavily on the higher education system selling courses to overseas students to acheive funding, with the consequence that quality education courses are often sidelined in an effort to provide courses which are popular with overseas students such as business,accountancy and visual arts which act as cashcows at the expense of real education and courses which the country desperately needs, such as engineers, mathematicians and scientists.

Just check the breadth of courses offered by the Universities here and compare to UK universities.

These are some of the things which the emigrate to Oz roadshows don't make a fanfare about

REGARDS

RUSS


abhi 5 years ago

hi , i am getting ajob in australia and they are apaying some 3660 usd per month apart from they are giving 15000 usd HRA per annum and other allowances. Is it enough for living standarad in australia. Can anybody help me out. I am basically from India.


Ryan 5 years ago

Hey there I was thinking of moving to Australia but I am on medication that I have to be on for life and it is $5245 here for 3 months but since i get the subsidy i only pay $3. I was wondering if I did move over there if I would be entitled to get the subsidy also? Hope I can this is the only thing holding me back.


phoebe 5 years ago

Congratulations for your very helpful site! I am 28 years old, from Athens, Greece, and thinking about looking for a job in Australia. I am a Lawyer, with Masters of Law (LLM) in International Environmental Law and I speak 4 languages (including Greek). Do you think I have any chances of finding a job there and obtain a visa? Plus, could you recommend any sites to look at?

thank you very much in advance!


maria 5 years ago

Useful info, thank you. Family of 4, Greeks living in Greece now. Our country is not interested in keeping us here, obviously. Thinking of moving there. I (46) am an environmental consultant, my husband (47) is a software engineer, both with Master's degrees and over 15 years of experience. Children 10 and 14. How much will we have to pay for our children's school fees? Do you think it would be realistic for my husband to come to Sydney and expect to find a job in 2 months? I don't hink it is feasible to get a migrant visa, come there all 4 and look for jobs there. We will run out of money in 3 weeks!

Thanks!


Chris 5 years ago

This is a really useful article for any would be migrant to Oz. I have just completed the Migration process and am aiming to be out in Oz by Jan 2012.


rohit 5 years ago

Found the link on one of the immigration discussion sites. the article is very informative, balanced and allows a person to self-introspect..thnxs for writing this lissie


5 years ago

Hi Lissie

My husband & I moved to Aus - Perth, 7 months ago. I know it's still early to decide, but if I knew all the things I would be going through now, I would have really done appreciated a site like this, where I could have read about all the things you need to consider before moving to another country. Aus is wonderful. But it's not home. I feel like I'm losing my identity, & I never wanted thought of how I'd be changing my future, my kids never growing up in the country I was born in, not getting to really know my parents etc. It's such an emotional thing, & I'm such an emotional person. But I miss my family. The people I work with are different. And it's really hard for me to fit in. I'm trying so hard, but after every week, I feel depressed. Some days are better than others. But there's been times that I've thought to myself, "What have we done?" What have we dont to ourselves? So many times in the past few months I've felt like I'm really heading for a nervous breakdown. I just can't seem to get around the fact of being in Aus, when I'm not ready to let go of who I am. My husband loves Aus, & that life is so much easier over here. We don't have kids yet. But still, I feel like going home & erasing Aus& this good life from my memory & just having my life back the way it was. We come from South Africa, so ovbiously we came here for a reason. But anyway, I guess time will tell. I feel a bit lost, but I guess I haven't been here long enough to stabilize my emotions. But yes, you've got a brilliant site, I just wish I've read it a year ago. When I was in 2 minds about coming here.


dance1096 5 years ago

i am looking into going to australia for a year of highschool. i would live with a family member but after the school year i would come back to the states and finish up high school here.i know the syteme is very in australia but is ther a way to make it work? i dont really know how it would work because they start school in the middile of my school year. also would going there and coming back be too much? i would like any thoghts or advice on this because i would really love to do it and i would want to do it next school year.


Tash 5 years ago

Hi Lissie

I am immgrating to Australia,Altona on the 16th Nov 2011 with my famiily. I have two boy's ages 6 and 7. I am really finding it difficult to find accommdation there.I am looking for self catering or B and B for about a month.Is there any way you can help me.


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Lissie 5 years ago from New Zealand Author

@Austin I deleted your comment because I can't edit here and you included your email address - which is a big no no on the Internet. I can't help you get a job in Australia - you need to get on the job sites I've linked here and talk to employers and agents


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Lissie 5 years ago from New Zealand Author

@B - well going back won't return your life to you as it was will it? Your partner and kids probably won't be very happy either? Of course your kids will end up identifying as Australians and not know other relatives so well - that's the deal when you move countries. I don't get why you think it has anything to do with your identity

I my experience it takes a couple of years to really make new friends in a new town/country - just keep going.

@dance - you'd need some sort of student visa- and I dont know that you can get those for high school level - and you (or your parents) will be paying full fees. As the school year in Oz starts in Jan - I don't think you will doing it next year - as its Nov now!

@Tash - arrive - stay in a motel for a week - find a local rental - its much easier when you are on the ground and Nov is a quiet time for landlords - you'll be fine


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Lissie 5 years ago from New Zealand Author

@B - well going back won't return your life to you as it was will it? Your partner and kids probably won't be very happy either? Of course your kids will end up identifying as Australians and not know other relatives so well - that's the deal when you move countries. I don't get why you think it has anything to do with your identity

I my experience it takes a couple of years to really make new friends in a new town/country - just keep going.

@dance - you'd need some sort of student visa- and I dont know that you can get those for high school level - and you (or your parents) will be paying full fees. As the school year in Oz starts in Jan - I don't think you will doing it next year - as its Nov now!

@Tash - arrive - stay in a motel for a week - find a local rental - its much easier when you are on the ground and Nov is a quiet time for landlords - you'll be fine


kim 5 years ago

Hi Lissie, we are planning to move to aussie in the very near future. Myself and the kids are kiwis, hubby has just recieved his 461 visa today!!! Your hub is very interesting and has lots of info on it. Do you know if my husband needs to be working for any length of time for us to be able to rent a property? ie do agencies want to see that you have a job and will be able to pay your rent!! Obviously thats ideal, but i was wondering if he would need to be working for a month or more before actually getting a rental.


Baba 5 years ago

Hi Lissie, Thanks for this site. I am planning to going to Austalia with my family. Have ready various comments fron people on this site and have make up my mind to migrate and not to take up paid emplyment but to buy an existing business and run. Do you think running a medium business is a good decision?


Kate 5 years ago

I would just like to say thank you for coming to my country and not enrolling to vote and exercising pretty much your only civic duty, but repeaing the benefits. Also, thanks for telling everyone Australia is racist, sexist and homophobic. Yes, probably in outback Australia. But you know what would help, if you don't like Australia, go back to NZ. Oh sorrY! It's in economic crisis...


kim 5 years ago

@kate, judging by your statement it seems shes right!! All aussies like you??


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Analicia62 5 years ago from Kelowna, BC

Hi Lissie, How are you? I sent you a long note approx 3 wks ago with inquires. Could you reply back please, thanks so much. :))


andy 5 years ago

i am 11 and doing a project on imagrating and this sit has been the most helful i have found after 2 hours it has brillant info

thanks for spending th time on it


meg 5 years ago

im English born and at age of 8 moved to new Zealand. five years later my family and i moved to Australia. Brisbane. i love the country the people. but really recommend explaining to your children what migration really means. the younger a child the better i believe. although i love Australia i will always be that little bit angry at my parents for taking me away from the place i grew up and causing some very hard times. a lot of people that migrate think it is easy and within the year are back home. don't make that mistake. migrating is the hardest challenge i have faced and if you aren't 100% don't just give it ago as its not that easy.

other than that great info


On top of the world 5 years ago

Hi Everyone

Interesting comments. I am married to Queenslander and 3 months ago we moved from Vancouver to Brisbane for a change with the view of staying for one-two years.

Australia is an interesting country and the fact is that ( in Brisbane anyway) it has weather in spades. If you like beaches it truly would be a dream place.

The truth is that Australia is a nanny state with rules for everything you can think of. I think the previous comments suggesting a lack of openness to new ideas while general in nature does ring true.

Dollar for Dollar living costs in Vancouver and Brisbane are the same. Brisbane has the great weather, Vancouver does not.

If you take weather out of the equation (which is hard as it affects lifestyle) there is no comparison between Canada and Australia on a number of levels:

1- Australia is far from anywhere. Canada is close to many major centres

2- Food and clothing is more expensive and much less variety in Australia

3- Shopping for the most part is restricted to day time hours with the exception of one night a week, Canada has long hour shopping seven days a week

4- Interest rates are much higher in Australia

This is beginning to look like an unbalanced post, but since we are only in Australia we are doing our best to enjoy it. Would I say it is the land of opportunity? Yes, under the right circumstances, but as this helpful blog has lain out, don’t think your problems will end with a move to Australia, wether personal, financial or work wise. When you move countries you simply exchange one set of problems for another.


Not quite Aussie yet 5 years ago

I wish I found this before moving Oz for work 7 years ago. I'm doing well in my job, but I found the adjustment difficult despite having lived in Europe and the Middle East for about 8 years.


Craig 5 years ago

Good article, and very useful as I am looking to move to Perth in early 2012.

I have to say though, the remark accusing Australians of being "sexist, racist" etc is a bit off, especially coming from a New Zealander. I think she has it confused with Australians' sheer resistance to the two-faced, liberal, politically-correct claptrap that NZ has embraced, especially where it concerns Maori.

Every statistic in NZ is separated into "Maori" or "non-Maori", Maori have their own health systems, education systems, political party (you really think anyone else could get away with that??!!) even their own TV channel!

The great irony here is that if you ask any Maori in Australia why s/he moved, it'll be for the reasons above - the very things that the so-called Maori "leadership" claims to benefit them! They're as fed up of the pseudo-apartheid garbage here as everyone else.


Wayne 5 years ago

I have lived in Western Australia most of my life - country and Perth, worked in UK, Germany and Thailand. I married a girl from the UK in 1977 - she had only been in the country a very short time and was with her parents and brother (he married UK wife).

There is a human condition that seems to be universal with immigration - I call it the "Yo-Yo syndrome". There is never any place like home.

Australia - doesn't really matter where in Oz - is like no other place on earth. The people are unique like the land – the land itself will infect you with its ancient spirit if you stay long enough.

It simply is the most isolated country in the world with Perth being its most isolated city. Until you live in such isolation you cannot appreciate what it means to those people that have lived with other countries on their immediate borders and cheap inter- country travel that would be a bus ride in Oz

It just simply takes a lot to travel to and from the place - you just cannot do so on a whim. Travelling within the country takes planning and commitment - treat it lightly at your peril.

My wife and her parents - mainly the women (men seem to adjust easier with less emotional disruption) miss the closeness of their extended families. My wife and mother & sister-in-law would go through periods of loss (almost mourning) that slowly weakened but over a period of 30 years. Sister –in-Law could not cope with loss and eventually took the children back to her family in UK.

Brother-in-Law became so enthralled with the Oz way of life he could not imagine living anywhere else – he stayed. The children have been trying to get back since they became adults.

As the women returned to the UK on visits every 5 years or so they lost their attachment to the country as it changed and no longer resembled their places of memory but the attachment to family only abated over many, many years.

The yo-yo comes about when families uproot and move back to their homeland. They usually manage about 5 years in Oz and then another 5 years back home but are haunted by the Australian infection they have contracted. They miss the things only Australia has - I will not list them but those that have spent time here will know what they are and this becomes obsessive.

Many families, rather than be miserable, return to Oz and are happy - for about 5 years. Family and friends start dying off or new members are arriving and the ache to be a part of that starts again and the urge to go home again starts anew. I have known families to do the yo-yo 5 times before settling in one or the other places - usually flat broke and much older with less prospects available to them.

My advice is - if you are in need of the emotional support of your immediate and extended families - and YOU know who you are then do not emigrate to Australia - you just cannot pop back home when an aging parent is ailing or a family crisis has arisen.

Australian people are not very accepting of whiners/whingers - a popular Australian thug has a saying accredited to him of "Harden the F**k Up" and for those new Australians that are treading on their lips with regret and homesick blues this comment is likely to be given once tolerance of the "homesickness" is up.

Those immigrants that are finding it hard to make friends may unintentionally be venting their misgivings so often that people are avoiding them.

Issues of jobs, education and making friends is a doddle - not an issue at all - seek and ye shall receive - be flexible in your outlook and expectations - the real issue is if you are able to take the separation from your old life and family.

For most of you - the test will be in the doing - good luck - just make sure you leave yourself a way back if you need it.

Great site btw - lots of really worthwhile insight.


Ian 5 years ago

I am Australian, and can't believe how this country is run.

I am mid thirties, well educated, from an advantaged family when compared to most.

Surviving financially in Australia, despite two university degrees, and TAFE qualifications, is not easy.

The place is crowded, infrastructure is inadequate, it is a society of have and have nots. The haves are the ones who work and pay tax.

The rest are bludgers, drug-affected and looking for unsuspecting immigrants to relieve of their "advantage".

Don't be fooled. Great place for an over-priced under serviced holiday, horrible place to reside.

Not to mention property you pay a ridiculous amount for. Then the cost of electricity, water, rates etc. All going up well above inflaction. Too many Labor governments over the years have destroyed any chance Australia has of offering long term and secure employment.

If you move here, I guarantee, you will regret it after the honeymoon period wears off.

All that being said, if you can afford to spend a day at the beach, or a week, or a month, then your life will have been worthwhile. Unfortunately, nobody can afford to be off work, even when sick. Living costs are THAT high!

Anyway, all the best. I'd say meet you in the pub for a quick drink, but who has the time anymore, the bills are just ridiculous.


Reza 5 years ago

I, Khurram Jalal would like to introduce my-self as an applicant intended to complete his further studies from Australia for which I have thoroughly read the policy as published on 5th of November, 2011 that many changes have been made as well as I can understand it except following financial requirements;

1. That you need up-to maintained 3 months Bank Statement with funds for Student Category but can I make a loan agreement with financial institution to bear my expenses during studies at Australia?

2. That after approval of this facility to me; will I also suppose to maintain the funds for 3 months or can I submit my visa application on very coming next days without maintenance of funds for 3 months?

I will be grateful if could please provide me your kind assistance in due course which will enable me to proceed further in right direction.

Your soon reply & kind assistance will definitely be appreciated.

Profound Regards


Silus1 5 years ago

My husband has invented a world-beating system that is proven, and would save the Australian mines a fortune. It has saved 10000s for companies so far in Europe.

Our kids have moved to Perth with their families,so it is an attraction to be able to work there for a bit. Not sure about permanently as yet - love the UK too much. So, we are going to give a 457 visa a bash. The fact that my husband's invention is so relevant to the State of WA, will this give his company the edge in his visa application?


Mark 5 years ago

I currently live in johannesburg and would love to move to perth i am 49 my wife is thirty and my child six. if i have enough to purchase my home and motor cars cash.


Analicia62 5 years ago

Hey Lissie..where are you? I was hoping you would comment on what you know of Townsville..I sent you a long note 4 wks ago.about me and my hubby moving there 2013. Look back and you can read my note k? How its like for work, housing, at 52? :/ We love the climate..just wondering..if transferring my pension..it will all work out..etc..xo hugs


Silus1 5 years ago

Why do Australian always react to people who speak the truth about their shortfalls with messages like "If you don't like it you know what you can do" or other childish retorts.

Australia needs to wake-up and smell the coffee on a lot of fronts. You haven't got it all right guys. Your country is young, inexperienced and makes lots of mistakes - again and again. It some areas, like online development, you are positively backwards. Just becasue the 'old' countries are suffering from economic doom and gloom right now, does not give you the right to be so off-hand when wise comments are made on this blog.

Take it on board, on the chin even, grow-up gracefully and stop the world laughing at you for being so backward, loud and rebellious (teenagers).

You have a huge opportunity, with the natural resources you have under your ground, to make yourselves world leaders. But world leaders need to be grown-ups. So go to it Australia.


Martina 5 years ago

Hi Lissie,

I'm Irish and my husband is an electrician who lost his job recently when the company he worked for went into liquidation. We are considering a move to Western Australia because that's where the jobs seem to be and there aren't any in Ireland at the moment. My concern is moving my two children. I have a 16 year old girl and a 12 year old boy. I think my son would adjust to the move but I'm not so sure about my daughter. She has two more years of secondary school left here and I'm wondering about the school system in Australia. Would it be difficult to fit in with other girls at her age? What age do Australians finish their secondary education and how do they apply to university? Is it important to be good at sport because she's not but she loves dance. Are there dance schools in WA? I know some of these questions probably sound very stupid so please forgive my ignorance! Any help would be greatly appreciated.


kawalkapoor 4 years ago

i like this country...i like weather and atmosphere ...and my ain setteled in ausrelia... my future country..


Adam 4 years ago

I onced visited Australia, and I liked it very much, but I wouldn´t want to move there, I love where I live.

Adam.


Analicia62 4 years ago

LIssie..???? where are you...you havent been on for weeks.....you must be busy shopping for Xmas etc..you have a life too.haha.but sure would like to hear your response but Townsville..I wrote you a long note above weeks ago..plesse reply..thanks. MERRY CHRISTMAS TOO :)


peter 4 years ago

im presently living in Nigeria, is it possible to mar grate to Australia. How can you help me? thanks


charmievm 4 years ago

Hi Lissie,

We are planning to move to Australia in NSW near Gold coast. It's only me(a nurse) and my husband(a doctor). My husband already has a job offer from one of the hospital there and they are prepared to accomodate me as well. I am just worried because at the moment I'm already earning well (3k a month) and my husband also earned same as im earning. Although i did few research or some info from friends. Mostly said the cost of living is much better than in London but still i've got a lot of but's and if's in my mind. Mainly our reason to migrate to australia is my health i have a hypertension and my job is one of cause of that (pressure of it). Next is to own big house and have a big car (lol).Lissie guide me with this.....is it right? We're both from the Philippines but British citizen. Been in London for 11 years. Also one of the reason to move is the tax system in Uk.


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Lissie 4 years ago from New Zealand Author

@Analicia62 - sorry - I get a lot of questions here - and some I just don't have the answer to, and others I answer and never heard back from the questioner!

Its a personal choice at the end of the day - if you like heat and sun and sea than Townsville sounds perfect! Its also a big miltary base so maybe you can get some sort of quasi-miltary work on your corrections background.

TBH many Ausralians retire at 55 - so many employers will be a bit bermused with you wanting to work - but so long as you say the right things I can't see a major issue.

Sounds like your husband has put up with the cold for a long time - so maybe its your turn to check out a new climate? Frankly I think living in one place is over-rated - maybe you can do 6 months in each country?


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Lissie 4 years ago from New Zealand Author

@Martina - sports is big in Australia, but actually Perth has a vibrant dance scene - some of the countries (and the world's) best ballroom dancers come from there and there are some awesome teachers and coaches.

I'm not super informed on the uni system but be aware that your daughter will be paying overseas student fees (and its not free for locals either , unlike Ireland).

The flip side is that she will be able to go to pretty much any uni she wants to (so long as you can afford it). Frankly it might be a better option for her to return to Eire - when she wants to go to uni.

I think the ages of going to uni are about the same (17/18) - the difference will be the syllabus and subjects - it will totally depend on what she's studying and what she want to persue. She won't have to learn Irish anymore though (or be able to!)

I've been telling my brother (who lives in Cork) - to move before his kids get too old - so that they can move back to take advantage of free uni later on!


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Lissie 4 years ago from New Zealand Author

@charmievm You both have job offers, in a desirable part of the country? Are they offering you moving expenses and help in finding a house? Do you a house to sell in London? It seems a bit of a no-brainer to me. Wage comparisons are almost impossible, given the huge differences in costs and conditions (Australia has compulsory super for example).

I would think that most people would count the NSW north coast to much lower stress than London!

And any Australian house will seem large, after London houses, more important is the indoor/outdoor flow and the aircon! Most cars are big too, check the economy though!


mairead 4 years ago

Hi I moved to Adelaide in Sept 2011 with my 2 children and Hubby, we moved as there was no work in Ireland, but starting to realize it was a bad move. we could easly live here for a few years but my children age 12,7 are finding it hard as noone seems to come out to play over here. we life on a really nice road for kids with children on it but once kids come home from school they never return out after school its like a ghost town!! where my children are from the country part of Ireland and enjoyed living outside playing with friends!!! it is hard as parents to find your children bored inside and missing their mates back home?? we are stuck now because I dont want my children stuck inside!! need help


jasmine 4 years ago

i think when i graduate i want to move to Australia to go to college and to stay it seems like a good place


Analicia62 4 years ago

Thanks Lizzie for your reply. I imagine you have been very busy with life, Xmas, etc. If I can work until Im 70 I will..not necessarily for money but to keep busy and be around people. The economny is bad around the world and these days in Canada many elderly people are chosing to work past 65 even. I can't move one place to another for 6mths and I dont think any job will let us have holiday for more than 2-4 wks..so we will be stable in Townsville and once we retire (60) we will travel all over forsure..thanks Lissie for your reply; meansa lot. Have a Happy New Year and cheers :D


Pillocuccolo 4 years ago

Hi dear Lissie!

Very nice your information.. I'm permanently coming to Australia asap.. I don't care of Snakes nor of Spiders.. I only care I was born in Sydney and when I was a little girl I got in Italy where I've never found myself. I love too much Australia, its Holy Soil, and I don't know exactly where I'll be and where I'll go, anyway.. I'll be in my Homeland! I've been there some years ago, don't knowing to speak English very well and making a terrible mess with verbs and words.. I found a lot of friendly and kind people, a wonderful place,a beautiful Nature, fantastic shops... when I went in Italy again I suffered a lot, and today I still have crying moments thinking about that Holy Land!! How much I love Australia!! I can't wait to be there again... and never move again!!

Love to you and to Australia (and to the Platypuses, I love so much!!!! :-D :-)

Have a lovely 2012!!


desil2005 4 years ago

hiya i am wanting to move to perth, my partner on the other hand is not that into it, he is a heavey goods driving licence and he is also a road maintance man age 30 i am 28 a stay at home mother to 4 children ages 10,8,5,1 i also drive, we own our own home here in the uk and would have some savings but he is just a little scared with having 4 children and doing such a big move on our own with no family we have some family that live in perth that would love to see us and help us with the move its just scarey ha ha what will living be like for us 4 children over there as i would like to make the move befor they are older and dont want to go x x x


Shelly 4 years ago

Hi,

well it sure has been an interesting read. My husband and I are awaiting an offical job offer(hopefully next week). Unsure if it will be Brisbane or Sydney. Relocation costs, Visa, accomodation for a month and help finding somewhere after. My question to you or anyone who can help is what is best to bring over, even if it seems like a silly thing like cosmetics, books etc. Very nervous very excited and just hoping I can find a job too. We are 34 & 35 no children and outgoing. Spent a month in Sydney & Melbourne so hoping Sydney it will be, but we really don't mind and are looking forward to a change. X thanks


Shelly 4 years ago

Apologise, I have just re read my message. Think I am getting ahead of myself and over excited.

My question should have been... If successful we will be coming over from the UK. I was wondering if there are any things that are difficult or expensive to buy in Oz that we are best to bring. The package looks really good $160,000k health care, 247 visa think that's the one, accomodation for a month, relocation costs and help finding

somewhere to live. I'm happy to leave some things in storage here but if relocation costs are covered then it may work out better to bring them over. When I came over I found a book was very expensive to buy & we have loads !!!! I do hope it happens. This site really has been the most useful so far, varied and open. So thankyou very much :)


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Lissie 4 years ago from New Zealand Author

EVERYONE I will continue to delete comments which include emails - I can't edit comments on this site and for your own protection you should not be publishing your emails!

I also can't help you get a house/job/girl friend!

@desil - there is plenty of work for drivers - but it sounds like you need to convince your husband -otherwise its not really happening is it?

@Shelley - if the co is paying relocation - bring everything - make sure they pack it too! If there are limits then - yes books are expensive, but do you actually re-read the ones you have?

The TV/videos won't work (different system) and all electrical will need new plugs (not a biggy, but a pain).

You won't need any of those winter coats or boots you probably have in England. You will also probably find that your style of cooking changes quite a lot to reflect the climate.

Leaving stuff in storage, in my experience is invariably a waste of money. Cars are quite expensive - if you have a good one consider bringing it over - but you will need to know the costs re importing it (state dependent)


Shelly 4 years ago

Thanks Lissie, that's very useful. It seems my sisters my inherit a new wardrobe :(

Will look into the Car for sure. Yes I have some books i read and loads I haven't read yet so I'll consider bringing a pile. Have loads of cookery books and are very much looking forward to delevoping my passion for cooking in another country.

I'm sure I may be back on here to ask more questions once the official offer comes through. Thanks again x


Blackbeard 4 years ago

Happy New Year to all, I wish I could get a Job offer in Aus, Could anybody help with a contact that helps IT Geeks, or is it best to just keep googling and sending CV's? Next year I will get bonus leave and come over for a few weeks manual search, sight seeing and visit.


Shelly 4 years ago

Hello Lissie,

It's me again. My husbands contract comes out next week so Visas pending we should be going to Brisbane for the end of Feb early March. We are thinking of renting a fully furnished place in the city centre until we know if we get a transfer to Sydney after a year. I'm so excited :) nervous but excited.

I don't hold a driving license, how easy would it be for me to have lessons and get one ?

Thanking you in advance Shelly


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Lissie 4 years ago from New Zealand Author

Sounds exciting Shelly! Fully furnished is not common in Australia - most places (unless they are very small inner city apartments usually for short-term 1-2 months).

In Perth we got a semi furnished place (bed/table/fridge/washing machine/lounge suie) - we bought the rest for a few hundreds from cash converters and other 2nd hand places as we knew we'd leave in a couple of years. At the end we sold/gave away with little trouble or loss.

You should definitly get a driver's license ASAP - I can't believe how people survive without one in the uK - in Australia its really not an option!

There are heaps of driving schools - it won't be a problem - one issue is that licenses are state based - so you will need to swap a Qlds license for NSW if you move to Sydney. This is a straight swap (no new test) for a full license - I don't know how that works if you don't have a full license. Find out when you get to Qlds - not a biggie - but weird if you are used to country wide license system!


Shelly 4 years ago

They don't look the biggest of places but have a shared pool, bar b area n gym so may be a chance I'll get to know people.

I currently live in Birmingham city centre on the canal, it's 4 minutes to work. If we want to fly to Edinburgh it only takes 50 minutes and driving to London is a no no so we get the train. It's so small over here. I only spent a month in Oz but it soon hit me how big it is. My husband drives but I'd love to be able to learn.

Have been looking through my clothes and realised that unless Brisbane falls into an ice age I'll be bringing hardly anything over with me :) may have to treat myself to some new clothes when I get there. Or maybe wait until I get a job so I'm. Not sponging off my hudband.

Thanks again, a very excited Shelly


Cricket 4 years ago

Hi Lissie, This is an amazing page, so much information! I'm having a heck of a time getting an answer to my question anywhere on the web. I'm 37, from the US and have two young children. I'm a widow and support myself with a "trust" for lack of a better word. I want to move to Queensland permanently but don't know what kind of visa suits me. There's no such thing as a visa for someone with independent means. I tried to call the Australian Consulate in Washington DC (which is in Ottawa Canada for some reason!) and they said the call would cost $4 per minute! I had no idea migrating was such a process. Have you ever heard of my scenario before? Thanks for your time and again, great page!


Angelina 4 years ago

Me and my husband we are both 31 and we would like to migrate to Australia. I'm want to get my Master degree there and my husband to apply for dependent visa. But because of the age we are not sure if later we can apply for residency. You have very good overview on all the aspects of the country. Thank you it was very helpful.

Regards,

Angelina


lisa l 4 years ago

what a wonderful thing u r doing for everyone :D my husband and i and my 3 kiddies all have our visas got sponsered by act gov :) but i do have one prob u may be able to help me with, i have a 27 year old daughter who has never left home has no qualifications has no job but helps me raising my other 3 whilst my husband and i work she is a huge part of this fam and we cant go without her :( can u suggest any way u think we can work around this ? i would be very very grateful thanku


Karen 4 years ago

Hey, Im wondering if anyone can help me as I feel like Im constantly hitting a brick wall at the moment. Im a single mum who is fast approaching 30 in the next few months and Im desperate to emmigrate to Aus but I am finding it impossible. My parents moved out there over 5 years ago with my younger brother and sister and I have been over to visit them in Melbourne twice now and feel like I should be there with them, Im so close to my family, they really mean the world to me and my 8 yr old son. I am currently qualified as nursery nurse but this qualification isnt recognised in Aus, Ive had experience in working in private nurseries and I am now working in a primary school as a teaching assistant and have been for the last 2-3 years, I have a 2nd job as a playwork officer where I am in charge of an afterschool club and playscheme club during the school holidays, I have always worked hard to support myself and my son and never been out of work. As my profession isnt on the skills list and Ive looked in to teaching but that will take far too long as its 4 years of training and then they want me to have 5 yrs experience behind me it just isnt an option, I am unhappy in England and just want to be with my family, nobody seems to understand how much I want it. I have 2 jobs so training on top of that would make things very difficult. Unfortunately I cant even get over there on being the last remaining relative because I have a younger brother living here in the UK and he has no intentions of going over there. I think these rules are wrong, although I understand Australias strictness on letting people in to the country I dont see why I should be penalised if my brother wants to stay here. I feel so lonely not having my family around me and they are missing out on their grandson growing up. I know my son would have a much better laife in Aus and myself also, Im not afraid of hard work just want to be given a chance over there and I will do anything aslong as Im near my family, Im finding it impossible and all the knockbacks are really getting me down. Please if anyone has any ideas or suggestions on how I can emmigrate to Melbourne with my son I would be very, very grateful x


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Lissie 4 years ago from New Zealand Author

@Lisa - reading between the lines on the next comment below yours - Karen's she may be able to apply for some sort of visa under keeping the family together. Most governments (and people) though would consider a 27-year-old as an independent adult. What does the sponsoring agency have to say - presumably you told them your circumstances from the start?

@Karen - to be blunt - the Australian government doesn't care. Lets face it there are thousands of stories a year of refugees who have nothing, no home, no money, nothing - being turned away from Australia. If you can't get in under the family reunification thing - then basically you haven't a hope. As you say retraining isn't realistic - and you may well end up find that the rules change on your anyways.

Also what about your son's father ? In this part of the world you can't just remove a child from a country if the other parent has any sort of custody rights


lisa l 4 years ago

thanks lissie we will look into it further we were i canberra just b4 xmas and went into the imigration offices and basically told us what u said that she is 27 and an adult and to look it up on the internet on one of their visa sites wich we have done but every way we go comes to a stop :( anyway ty for ur feed back i will let u no how we get on :)


jacqueline Mcdonald 4 years ago

Hi lissie, your information was very helpful and realistic about moving to Australia. Its always been a dream of mine, why i dont know but its defo a big dream! just today my husband has told me that he has been approached by his company in Scotland to possible go to Oz and help recover a company from failing. Its like a sign...could it lead to the opportunity of a lifetime? It could be...im so exited. A big commitment but its a golden opportunity. Its hard to get the proper info as to where me and our daughter would stand in a visa application. My fear is that i do not work (due to health reasons) but do have a good skills base for when i can. Can you give me some advice please? thank you


roksana 4 years ago

i want to move aus from bangladesh with my 2 years son,having a job purpose....can u guys tell me how???thanks...


sue 4 years ago

Hi Lissie

You sound like such a level headed person!

I have really appreciated this site.

My husband has been offered a transfer from London to darwin, australia. He works in construction. He is really excited and believes it would be good for his career as well as financially. I could get a work visa through his company too. we have two children under school age and i currently work part time.

Basically i am just weighing up what i would be giving up with the potential for adventure and broadening all of our experience. I have travelled a lot when single and loved doing so, but as a mother I find the idea much more intimidating. I have a good circle of friends and am very close to my mum who is in her seventies.

I also have concerns about the climate in Darwin and the distance from other places.

any advice appreciated!


marc nelson 4 years ago

i am a 22yr old electrician i currently live in scotland i have been unemployed for about a year and there is no sign of any jobs coming soon the countries went to sh*t

i sat my apprenticeship and from day 1 i always wanted to come to australia but but now that i'm not working and hardly got a penny to my name how much would i need to pay out on visas and living allowance when i arrive in australia?


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Lissie 4 years ago from New Zealand Author

@Sue - sounds like an awesome opportunity! I should think it would be the adventure of a life time for your kids as well. The climate is a bit crap in the "wet" - how much leave will your partner get? I'd guess the wet will also be a down time for construction - so you could always take a long Xmas holiday at that time!

Marc - you need thousands for visas and tests - I have no idea - but you're unemployed - so why not take the time - find out the fees from the Australian embassy site, price some airfares, and take any job at all to start saving?


Alan 4 years ago

Hi Lissie,

Thank you so much for very realistic information about immigration to Australia. I am Vietnamese and currently living and working in Vietnam. I and my family (wife and two young kids) has obtained Australian Permanent Resident visa under skill migrant since 4 last year. So far, I visited Australia once a year. The visa is valid for 5 years, meaning I have one more year left to decide whether to permanently move to live in Australia.

Currently, I and my wife have very good jobs in Vietnam and we can have a net savings of around $200k per year. The company also provides various supports including payment for my kids' international school, comprehensive international health insurance etc. Basically, I can live comfortably in Vietnam at the moment.

I have searched on various websites and discussed with friends who live in Australia and I understand that it is difficult to get a job there as English is not my native language and I don't have local experience in Australia.

It is a very difficult decision that I have to make whether my wife and I should give up all the opportunities in Vietnam and migrate to Australia. For children, i understand it is better for them to grow up in Australia and have good education there. I also concern about the country risk in Vietnam that anything can happen to me, unlike in Australia where I feel it is more stable and secure. Also, I really want to have Australian passports so that it is a lot easy for me to travel and I can retire in Australia.

I would very much appreciate it if you and others could share your ideas whether I should migrate.


Nicola Sheppard 4 years ago

Hi I am a 17 year old from england looking to move to australia once i finish university and am a qualified veterinary nurse. Although this has been a life ambition i am not sure which part of australia would be best. Any help anyone?? thanks !!


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Lissie 4 years ago from New Zealand Author

@Alan - what an interesting question - if you are saving US$200k - you are doing a lot better than most people in Australia I can assure you. Your last point is the most valid though - having an Australian passport would make a huge difference to being able to travel.

Just a thought - could you go relatively short-term- how long do you have to stay to get citizenship for you and your family. Then if you want to you could return to Vietnam - at least on a part-time basis?

Curiously many Australians would consider retiring to cheaper country in Asia- I've never seen an Asian looking to retire to Australia - a sign of the times I think!


danielle from uk 4 years ago

hi i have enjoyed reading this! i am looking to emigrate to freemantel i have a fiance and 2 children 4 and 8.I was wondering if we had to pay school fees i am a qualified teaching assistant and hairdresser i am soo scared that i will miss my family here but i am sure they will visit alot would you say it is a safe place to live i just want the best for my kids and their future.


Alan 4 years ago

Hi Lissie, thank you for your comments. Honestly, we are making good money in Vietnam and it may be true that we can save more than many Australians. I understand the tax in Australia is high and costs of living also high. Hence, savings are lower if we make similar income. It is even worse if I move to Australia and could not get a job there.

I also think about temporary stay there to get my citizenship and then move back to Vietnam. But, I need to stay at least 4 years to be eligible to apply for citizenship. It will also take sometime to process until the citizenship is granted. Hence, I may need to stay at least 5 years.

I can also choose to stay in Australia for 2 years to be eligible to apply for extension of my permanent resident visa for another 5 years.

I don't have any problem to take a break for 2 years, but the biggest issue for me is to give up opportunity that I currently have. If I decide to leave my current job, it is very likely that I will not be able to resume my career with the same company when I am back. I would be so much regretful if I have to give up the opportunity. I have a good career prospect with the current company.

In Vietnam, I can live comfortably with good money. But, there are other good reasons that I want to migrate to Australia. Political stability and security is one thing. Children educations and their future are very important for most Asian family including myself. If my children hold Vietnamese passport, they won't have great opportunity as if they hold Australian passport and are educated in Australian. Their careers are generally limited to Vietnam market only. Outside Vietnam, it is difficult for them to get recognition. Another important issue is quality of health care. Health care in Vietnam is poor and if we happen to have chronic disease at older age, it is difficult to have good long-term medication. Life is unstable and no one know what will happen. This is also reason that I want to retire in Australia, but will see the circumstances.

I can understand that Australians want to retire in cheaper country. But, the good thing about them is that they can always return back to Australia if they are not happy with the country they move or if anything bad happen to them. Having Vietnam passport, we don't have much choice where we want to go or retire.

It would nice to hear your further comments on whether I should move to Australia or not. Thanks

Have a nice day!


juie 4 years ago

What about trying The Blue Mountains. Very pretty. Not as hot as Sydney. Regular train services to Sydney. 1 every hour off peak. More often during peak hours. Housing is more avoidable. Great place to bring kids up in.


Anna 4 years ago

Hi My Name Anna is and I am 25 years old, I am currently living in USA, but we are citizen of another country and me and my family want to move to Australia for permanent living for a long time, or to New Zealand, I am also studding wines, international wine sommelier, any options on how we do that? I tried to apply for jobs online, but they are off course asking AU or NZ documents which I don't have.

Please could you tell me.

Thank you


mikolo 4 years ago

nice and cool article.

I am a Nigerian with a wife a kid.Our salary both combined annually is $20,000.

I want to migrate to Australia for a better life with my family.

i want to know if with my qualification in business administration and 4 years working experience.i qualified for the skilled sponsored visa,will i be able to get a good job to start a living in Australia?

My wife is a fashion designer.


emmarita 4 years ago

Hi Lissie,

Thank you for posting all this wonderful information! I was wondering if you might be able to answer a question I have or possibly offer advice... I am a 36 yr old American. 2 yrs ago I met the man of my dreams - an Aussie. We have been communicating at least several times a week for the past 2 years. I recently visited him for 5 weeks on a tourist visa and we decided we want to be together. I am super keen to move to Australia (Cairns). I have a Master's degree in Marine Biologist and have been working in that field for 10 years. My boyfriend has a few potential jobs in mind and with his connections I might be able to land a job. My question is: Would I actually be able to take a job and get a work visa, even though my occupation is not on the SOL?

Any advice?

I am so ready to be back in Oz with the love of my life but feel discouraged about the visa situation...

your advice is much appreciated!


Anil 4 years ago

Hi friends

I got my PR and moving to Melbourne permanently with my wife and 6 yr old son. How much will be the initial setup cost and can anybody please explain the process as tasks. Like arranging accommodation, food, schooling, job searching, utilities, tax file and the rest.


Pacific 4 years ago

My Observations of Aussies while living here in Hong Kong have dampened and removed any interests I ever had in living in "Down Under" I find the bulk of them to be rude and arrogant...I will stay in the USA and Asia, but thanks for this site, very good information here....


Msao 4 years ago

@Alan: We are in the same situation as you (surprising how identical it is). We are considering that I will move and stay in Australia for 4/5 years in order to get the citizenship. My husband who is earning more here will keep staying to make it financially safe, at least for the first period when I am seeking for a job in Australia. The biggest disavantage is that we do not stay together for a long time but my husband and I and children can travel back and forth. Some of my friends also go abroad for study, leaving family home for a while and they can make it.

@Lissie: If I can secure my status as PR and then Citizenship, then my family's status will be similarly secured (supposed to some documentation work to be done), right? Thanks a lot for your site, God bless you for this!!!


tina 4 years ago

Lizzie, great blog and very helpful. I have what feels like a huge hurdle and that is the proper job skill. They used to have a general skills on the list but its gone now. I have lots of Uni education, and many years of experience in Sales, up to VP of Sales, but it seems all this experience is not specific enough for the skills list.

I'm Canadian, from Vancouver, who is sick of the rainy weather, so I took off to San Diego, cAlifornia and have been here for 4 yrs but I'm so tired of rude americans who feel being an aquaintence is good enough for friends. It's extremely hard to make friends here and I pride myself in my social skills in any other country, but here people are simply nervous and suspicious of anyone not from here or speaks better than them.

Anyways, I am beginning to get to the depressed state of life because I have no idea how to move forward and get to australia where I have plenty of friends from my past travels there. now that I"m older I fear my chance for visa, or anything may just elude me.

Suppose this is more of a vent than a question statement. Still good blog, if you have any suggestions on getting there I'd love to hear it.


Annette 4 years ago

Hi Lizzie,

I hope you can help. My daughter Kelly is 30 and partner Carl is 27. They have 2 children. Carl is being made redundant in October and so they will be out of work. They are in rented accommodation so no house to sell. What are the chances of them moving to Australia? Kelly has her nvq, but Carl has only worked in a factory for nine years. He can put his hand to anything and would rent till they can buy. Me and my husband want to go with them but don't know if we are too old. My husband is 55 and always been a hgv driver and I am 50. I could watch the children while they both work. Please say there's a way.

Thanks

Annette


bruce 4 years ago

Hi Lizzie,

How hard for an Asian to assimilate in Australia? For sure it is easier for a Caucasian than an Asian to live in Australia. How will you compare Australia to other developed countries that you have been to in terms of racial discrimination?


Annette 4 years ago

Hi Lizzie,

I hope you can help. My daughter Kelly is 30 and partner Carl is 27. They have 2 children. Carl is being made redundant in October and so they will be out of work. They are in rented accommodation so no house to sell. What are the chances of them moving to Australia? Kelly has her nvq, but Carl has only worked in a factory for nine years. He can put his hand to anything and would rent till they can buy. Me and my husband want to go with them but don't know if we are too old. My husband is 55 and always been a hgv driver and I am 50. I could watch the children while they both work. Please say there's a way.

Thanks

Annette


Hardik 4 years ago

Lizzie, wonderful information,I am working in Information Technology - Software industry and planning to apply for PR of Australia. I am fearing with the IT market and job chances because i am planning to move Australia with partner and child.

if possible please suggest about the market and current scope for IT people.


Dani 4 years ago

Hi Lizzie,

This article is really helpful! I am a 21 year old that is desperate to move out there as soon as financially possible!

I dont know whether you would know but what is the job vacancy like for surfing instructors out there? I can imagine there are a lot of people trying to get into this industry but i was just wondering if you had any inside info!

Again great article, thank you!!


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Lissie 4 years ago from New Zealand Author

@Bruce

I have no real idea - I'm not Asian - I would say it would vary dramatically depending on which city you ended up in. You really need to talk to Asian immigrants to understand.


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Lissie 4 years ago from New Zealand Author

@Annette

You daughter and partner would need to apply and get visas and they may (depending on which other children you have and where they live) get you out of a "family" visa. I really have no idea how likely it is as a) I don't know your nationality or how your family's skills fit with what Australia wants at the moment


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Lissie 4 years ago from New Zealand Author

@Dani

You are kidding right? You don't think that ever kid who grows up on the beach in Aussie doesn't dream of being a surfer instructor? You may have a hope if you can bring language skills to the mix - but I'd die laughing if I ever saw "surfer instructor" on the skills list! What country are you from - you should be able to get a working holiday visa at your age


Alan 4 years ago

Hi Msao,

Good to hear we have similar situation. I also think about the option for my wife and children to stay in Australia first. But, stay away from family for 4/5 years is too long although we can visit each others.

Based on my understanding, after you stay in Australia for 2 years, you can apply for Resident Return Visa (RRV) for 5 years. When you have RRV, your husband can also apply for RRV without a need to stay in Australia for 2 years. The RRV allows you and your husband to retain the PR status when you and your husband stay/travel outside Australia after initial 5 year PR visa is expired. For citizenship, although you and your children are granted citizenship, your husband will not be automatically eligible to apply for citizenship without staying in Australia for 4 years out of 5 year period.

I'll visit Melbourne in April to validate the PR visa. Then, I will keep monitoring the development in my home country and Australia before making a final decision on the option. But, it seems that Australia is not the place to make money, but to spend money. Cost of living in Australia is among the most expensive cities in the world. I can't imagine one kilo of banana can cost up to AUD 14 in some seasons. In my home country, it costs around 50 cents only per kilo. However, it is still ranked as one of the most livable cities in the world. It is a difficult decision and we have to balance the pro and con.


fay 4 years ago

i currently just moved to australia. i am highly qualified, female.i rarely drink and i want to work. i cant find a job and i look and post CV's every day.i am losing heart.i find my nationality is questioned and frowned upon.


annao'neil 4 years ago

hi im thinking of moving to australia but the problem i have is i have very little money and 3 children.. i have a NVQ in computers but this is just a qualification as i havnt actually used this in any of my jobs... i have no trade so im assuming work will be hard to find especially with 3 children in tow... any information right now will be very helpfull as i want a better life for me and my children


Anna 4 years ago

My husband and I moved to Perth with our four children (18-12 years old) in October 2011. We are Irish and we have a house in Europe which we have not been able to sell. We had not planned to move to Australia but with the employment situation being what it is in Ireland we had no choice. We were very fortunate in that my husband found a job in western Australia before we moved out here and his company sponsored him for a four year 457 visa.

We are glad and grateful for the opportunity to live and work here but had there been any work for my husband anywhere in Europe, we would have stayed there. The cost of living here is mind boggling! Everything from the cost of renting a house to food bills is high.

My children are settling in well though and we like living here. I doubt very much that my husband and I will ever be able to afford a house here as not having sold our own we would take years to save up a deposit and house prices are high. At the moment our plans are to work here as long as we can and more than likely we will be leaving grown up children here when we retire back to our home in Europe. It's a great country for the young.

If we had come ten to fifteen years ago when we were just starting out, it would have been much easier for us to consider staying here for life, but with all our financial ties to Europe, it would be difficult for my husband and I to stay here forever.

Overall, I would say that Australians are friendly and welcoming and that Australia is well worth moving to. I only wish that I'd thought of coming when I was in my twenties.


An. S. 4 years ago

Hi,

thanks for all the comments and all the information. Me and my boyfriend (4yrs together) are considering moving to Australia. We have a different case because we live in Mexico, and the situation here is getting pretty bad to consider or even think about having a family here. I can't imagine raising kids here where you have to get used to this level of insecurity and delincuency. I love my country in so many ways, but it just seems like it's going all downhill and seems like no one can do anything about it. The cultural set of mind is very traditional and hard to change, and so people have their own stuck ideas, which will not help moving forward. When the situation is like we have it here, you need to think outside the box, and most people don't.

Anyway, he's an automotive mechanic with like 10 yrs experience in Toyota, Nissan, BMW cars, he's been working since he was like 16 and loves to do this, and I'm a psychologist, currently working for HP (Hewlett Packard) and soon for the government in my own area (applying psychological tests, doing psychological interviews, etc,) I've read that without "local experience" it is harder to get a job, but I wonder since we've worked for international companies, and I'll be working for the government, could that help in anyway??

I know that compared to Mexico, Australia will be more expensive, but I also know that salaries are better. I've searched for costs of living, and I believe we would be able to make it, as most internet sites consider some things as "relevant", and for us I know that that's not basic. We are much more simple than that, so I don't think I'd be that hard for us to have a better life and consider starting our own family. We're still young, and have considered other places but Australia seems to be the country that we both agree that we really really like for what we have heard and read.

So basic questions that I haven't been able to find (I've searched on this topics for a while but doesn't seem like I have a response anywhere):

Would there be a place where we can both live and work in our profession/area? If so, which area is recommended for us?

Would it make it a better possibility for us to get a job since we've worked for international companies?

both of us have taken internet tests for our chances to live in Australia and getting a visa and everything, and we were both told separately that we can apply for a "State Sponsored visa" but since this requires that we stay in one same city for like 2 years, I'm afraid that we both apply and get told that we must go to different cities if we want to live in Australia... any advice on this? should we apply for different type of visa?

I was also thinking about applying for a student visa, but I've investigated much on universities, and requirements to do a Master's Degree, etc..

I think, everyone tells their story as how they did, and some people had a good experience, and some had bad, some struggled for a while but then got better, but to all readers: every experience is different.

I've lived in the US for a year, and in two different cities in Mexico, and have found that it's not that difficult for me to adapt, but anyway, I know this would be a big difference and big change, and I would also be moving with my boyfriend so that will be different asd well..

we're considering on moving there in about a year of so, if everything goes well, and if we can apply for the visa and if we get it and all that.. but we're thinking about it for a while, and we thought we could start investigating on this since now!

any help and/or comment will be much appreciated!

have a lovely day everyone! and thanks for reading me!


TAIATASH 4 years ago

Hi Lissie

I am just writing in regards to the whole moving from new Zealand we r a young family with 4 young kids aged 6,5,3,1 and wondering if you could plz give me some advice on moving over...with the hope of better jobs better money better life style for us all.would know have an idea on a realistic amount to save and move with?the cost of renting roughly even ifs it a 3 bedroom...and any suggestions on how to get someone who untrained for the mining buzzo into it :) thank u kindly for taking the time 2 read n reply to this :)


Locksheema 4 years ago

Hi Lissie,

I did see a comment someone earlier, about being an insulin dependant diabetic. However, I didn't see an answer.

I am an insulin dependant diabetic, and have been married to an Australian citizen for just over 6 years (we were actually married in Australia). We have 2 sons. As a Diabetic, should I apply for a spousal visa, will that be a big negative?

All of her mom's side of the family (big catholic) family is over there. Her folks and siblings are all there as well. I also have a cousin living there as well as many friends, amongst them Tony Greig (my aunts brother). If I were to apply, how do you think it would go?

Thanks,

Ryan


Alan 4 years ago

I just came back from my visit in Australia. The costs of living is very expensive in both Melbourne and Sydney compared to ASEAN countries. With the experience, I think that to survive decently a family of 2 kids would need to spend at least AUD4,000 per month including a unit rental.

With this amount of money, the same family can live in a luxury life in ASEAN countries. But, with the health care and education for children, Australian is still the place for children


Sonali 4 years ago

I am going to move to Australia in a few weeks. Trust me I am getting jittery day by day. Packing ckin and more packing no end to it. Moving with a 14 month old daughter. I feel for her as it's gonna be lonely for her. She is attached to her grand parents and will miss them loads. She is not fond of travelling and hates da car seat. Gosh!! I am just crossing my finger to be honest I just want a ginnie who can just yes my master me and do everything in a blink of an eye. Lol.


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Sherrie Anderson 4 years ago

Hello Lissie. I think I might have my husband talked into movie either to Australia or New Zealand. Not sure yet. He has a great job here, but the warmer weather in parts of Australia would be great for us. He is 51 and I am 50 years old. I am retired, but he's not. So many things to do or ask. Not sure to where to start. I know it would take about a year or more to move there, would it be easier to have a job already lined up? But then again how can you have a job lined up a year inadvance? Too many question. Could you please help me? Thank you


Sheila 4 years ago

Hi Lissie. My husband and I are thinking about moving there can you tell me what part of the island is best for truckers and housekeepers.


Anna 4 years ago

@Sherrie Anderson.

I moved here with my family last year. My husband had a job lined up and the company who employed him paid all our moving expenses. That said, moving abroad is very stressful. We only came because we had no work in Ireland. I would not have come otherwise. My advice to you would be to take a long holiday here so that you can look into job prospects and get a first hand idea of the cost of living here. Giving up a good job is risky in todays global financial climate, but at the end of the day whatever you decide, I wish you luck.


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Fran62 3 years ago

Hi all, my fiance is Welsh and has lodged his fiance visa application to emigrate here. Hopefully this will go smoothly as there are no real complications (both single, never married, no children, never will be etc). But for those of you interested in coming here can I add my few cents worth?

Firstly, snakes and spiders. bwahahahaha. Okay now that's over, spiders yeah there are a lot. The little ones are nasty the big ones are okay. The really big ones (huntsmen etc) make good house pets (honest). Unfortunately in three months my fiance only saw redbacks which was a bit of a pity. Snakes are more scared of you then you are of them. If it's black its poisonous but think of it as a venomous labrador, don't get too close and let it live it's own life. They are great for getting rid of mice and rats. Brown ones are the worst, let them pass, DO NOT GO NEAR THEM. But on the other hand most people don't see them anyway and as I live in a regional area probably have had more to do with snakes than most urbanite Australians. I've seen maybe half a dozen when walking through the bush in the past 20 years.

If you are coming here and decide to show the colonials how things are done - stay in the UK. Don't perpetuate the ugly English or the whinging pom and the worst or all, the septic American! We are making huge mistakes, most Australians don't realise this fact and take offense when it's pointed out, so my fiance (and myself if the truth be told) have decided the easiest way to cope with it is just to keep quiet.

You get a lot more money for jobs but as it was pointed out that is irrelevant as your lifestyle dictates how much money you have. Housing prices are not cheap even in regional Australia (I'm in the Hunter Valley), you will probably need a car that will cost twice as much in Australia as it does in the UK and you will have to drive everywhere for long distances. Something that caught my fiance unaware and the fact that I don't think it's unusual to drive for 2 or 3 hours to have lunch and then drive back no problems.

Wombats, Tassie Devils and Quolls are far better than Koalas anyday (that from my Welsh fiance) and Koalas are overrated. Kangaroos and Wallabies are not endangered, they are everywhere. Don't scream when you see a Goanna (you may even call them monitor lizards), but don't feed them either, they will bring their mates back for seconds (thirds, fourths .... Goanna's are really cool (that again from my fiance).

Work is not as easy to find unless you are a tradesman, nurse, teacher or anything else on the list of jobs. My fiance is an environmental researcher, not on the A list of jobs (lol) and is going to have difficulty. For women who want to work part time in secretarial or retails jobs in regional areas be prepared to wait, there's not enough jobs to go around anyway. Don't take rejection personally.

Take everything you hear about Indigenous/Aboriginal issues (there is a difference between Indigenous and Aboriginal which I won't go into here) with a grain of salt - this is not apartheid era South Africa. I work/live closely with Indigenous people, many Aboriginal friends and close family, and even my fiance has noticed the inconsistency in the complaints. It will take another few generations before the issues are resolved, so don't come out here and lecture us on race relations. This is particularly aimed at the English and Americans who do it to us. I recently had to break up an almost race riot where I work when the Aboriginal people innocently made comments that a visiting African American man was really white. The American didn't understand and took offense. The Aboriginal people didn't understand why the American was offended and took offense etc. etc. This is a foreign country with our own customs, beliefs and quirks.

This is a foreign country, please remember that.

Our public service is as bad the UK Civil service.

My fiance has mentioned many times that we are really 20 years behind the UK and that in many ways is a good thing.

Our health system is far better than you realise. Use it properly and you will have no problems - go mad and think everything is free and it will cost you a fortune and it will be as complicated and as bad as it can be.

We drink less than the Brits.

Soccer is soccer, football is league, union or AFL.

The further you go away from the major cities (Sydney Melbourne etc) the whiter the people are and they still think the White Australia policy is the way to go. Just let them rave and keep quiet (my personal experience after moving from Sydney).

In regional Australia openly gay men are accepted where gay women, educated women and anyone who is not white are not. Things are changing slowly.

That's all I can think of for now. Wish us luck with the fiance visa.


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Michiko 2 years ago

Great article! I'm a college student

from the Philippines and currently in my senior year in my university. My dad adviced me to try my luck overseas after graduation.

If you were to study & work, which of the following would be the best country? Canada, NZ or Australia? Thank you.

nz seems like a relaxed & peaceful country, but i'm uncertain regarding their opporunities & education. I heard it's good in Aus! I'm still indecisive


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raizhel 2 years ago

I have friends that migrate in Australia. It took months before she was able to find a job.


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mothersofnations 2 years ago

Awesome article! Very useful info. Thank you. God bless you.

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