like if you take a pic with your kid or dog, is that still a 'selfie?'
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do not try to fool yourself, scorpio! If you and a camera are alone in a room and somehow a picture of you is born of that union, and no one else was present, its a selfie, reguardless of technology
Helen, I said "photograph yourself (with) the group ". Families often did this at Thanksgiving and Christmas gatherings. I've never taken a "selfie" in my life. Seems today most people can't wait to share their selfies with others!