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Confusing your own private own with public display. And yes you have a valid point. Certain states have to have magazine rack of porno covered with a block so not visible to a child. I'm all for that!
eh.. we where talking about banning art and cartoons, not banning porn, hate speeches or four letter words. Stay on the subject.
Peter -- you ok?
"Should certain forms of art, political cartoons be banned?" Speech, writing, photography are certain forms of art. And the question includes cartoons. Maybe you were only thinking cartoons, But it is not exclusive.
A hate speech is not a form of art. To ban this is a different question. I completely agree with you that everybody can personally ban stuff from their own home. And it should not be done by the government.
I'm simply confused by your answer.
Peter maybe there is a reason you were confused by my answer, I often am ;-)
That is an awesome concept - Hate speech cannot be art? Just say a cartoon showing and expressing hate about Pol Pot? To me Dali's Guernica depicts hate of war. Hmm
The guernica is from Picasso. And a cartoon is not a speach. I can imagine a hate speach on the stage or in a movie. But a hate speach in the political arena is not art. hate is an emotion to superficial and simplistic for an artist to use.
My bad on poor old Picasso. I wonder why I recalled Dali? I reckon you are correct to a degree. Being a public speaker in a few areas, I guess I just thought of that as art. Maybe Socrates was not an artist.
No I don't think Socrates was an artist, although he was crafty with words ;-) it's an interesting question though, and I will think about an artist who uses hate as a theme. The Guernica is more suffering and pain because of war then hate I think.
Thank you for working through this with me Peter. Now the question asked "certain forms of art". Are you saying you can judge what is art, and cast aside that whch does not meet your criteria. Not your claim but it does beg the question. Art definiti
@Peter: Political cartoons is free speech, and yes can include hate. Righteous anger is not a sin.
@eric I'm an art teacher and yes can judge what's art and what's not.
@ptotis. Yes, political cartoons can be a form of art. But the ones that consists only out of hate are poorly of content and are not art.
I don't know nothing about sin.
Peter you do mean you have an opinion as to what art is, correct? You are not saying that ifsome one disagrees with you they are wrong are you?
What I mean is that there is a global consensus of what art is and what's not. There are criteria. Like recognition in the art world, concept, context, etc. regardless of my taste.
Interesting. Maybe too far afield for this question but; If creativity is the basis how can a box be built into which something must fit or not be art. The two definitions I read had no criteria -- just "typically" notions. I get generally.
There is a framework (box) that defines art but the borders and rules are constantly tested by artists.
Creativity is a part of art but not everything. Cooking can be creative but is not art. Although an artwork can include cooking.
Cooking is not art? Wow. Too many McDonald's Unhappy meals for you.
haha, that famous golden garbage can that calls itself a "restaurant".
My daughter says my kitchen looks like a drip painting when I create a meal.
But I get your point Peter. It sounds a lot like the debate about "what is pornography" or "is it a game or a sport". But your idea is that it is a starting point I gather.
yes. I ask my students sometimes: name an artwork you think is good but dont like and name an artwork you like but don't think is good
There is a difference in taste and quality of art.
I don't like the Nightwatch by Rembrandt but know its high art.
What a lovely thought Yves, You are always able to express yourself so succinctly even though you contradicted yourself in a single short sentence. Well thought out. Bravo!
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