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Ban Hayabusa, CBR, ZX, YZF, etc. From Roads Now!

Updated on August 8, 2010
Another supersport rider who went out to get his lolz.
Another supersport rider who went out to get his lolz.

A video of a tranquil, leisurely ride on a public road by a typical Hayabusa rider

Supersports motorcycle riders have a death rate more than four times greater than riders of other types of bikes. An Insurance Institute For Highway Safety (IIHS) report released about a year ago showed that per each 2,000 registered motorcycles, supersport riders of motorcycles such as Suzuki Hayabusa, Honda CBR, Kawasaki ZX, Yamaha YZF, etc. had a death rate of 22.5. Sport and "naked" sport bikes, which are somewhat less extreme versions of supersports, had the next highest rate of carnage at 10.7. The rates at which motorcycle riders snuff themselves out for all other types of bikes were much lower. Cruisers and standard motorcycles had a combined fatality rate of 5.7, touring motorcycles were 6.5, and "other" motorcycles such as street legal enduros, etc. were the lowest at 4.3.

You would figure that in, say, a Suzuki dealership where a DR650 and a Hayabusa sit side by side, it might be helpful to young and inexperienced riders to place a sign stating: "Your chance of dying is 5 times greater on the Hayabusa than the DR650," but that is not to be. With marketing chutzpah verging on the criminal, the motorcycle manufacturers have hypnotized a vast number of foolish, impressionable, immature, and downright stupid riders into the frenzied allure of exceeding freeway speed limits by a factor of three or more.

The IIHS report states that driver error and excessive speed were significantly larger factors in causing death in supersport as well as sport/naked bikes as compared to the other classes of motorcycles. Excessive speed was the cause of 57 percent of fatalities on supersports while only 22 percent on touring motorcycles. 9% of all supersports motorcycles are involved in a collision every year, versus 2.3% for all other classes. Look at that statistic in another way: An 11 year old sportsbike is guaranteed to have been in a crash!

Combine those statistics with the fact that in five years, the percentage of riders wearing U.S. D.O.T. certified helmets fell from 71 to 51 percent, at the same time while supersports motorcycle registrations shot up by 83 percent, and you can see why this segment of motorcycling is filling up morgues all over the world.

Indeed, in the USA alone supersports motorcycles cause equivalent deaths to crashing three fully loaded 747s... each and every year!

Anne McCartt, IIHS senior vice president for research, sums it all up much better than I ever could: "Supersport motorcycles have such elevated crash death rates and insurance losses because many people ride them as if they were on a racetrack. Data show that speed is a big factor in their crashes. Motorcyclists presumably buy supersports and sport bikes because they want to go fast, and manufacturers are happy to oblige."

One of the alleged "defenses" bandied about by speed-addled lunatic throttle-jockeys include that "no one has the right to tell me what to ride" and they're right. On the track, you're more than free to plunk superchargers on your Hayabusas and run them on nitrous or rocket fuel. Go crazy. Splat yourself all you want. If you're that much of a moron, it's good riddance anyway: Motorcycling Darwinianism at its best. However, you do not have any right whatsoever to cause this level of carnage on the public roads where the law-abiding members of my community, including seniors, parents and children are innocently going about their business. I have personally witnessed countless lives snuffed out whose only fault was sharing the public road with a deranged, maniacal, witless, hysterical idiot of a rider engaging in a fit of supersport velocity delirium.

There is one very simple legislative action which must be taken now, without delay. Ban Suzuki Hayabusa, Honda CBR, Kawasaki ZX, Yamaha YZF, and similar motorcycles from ever again being granted a license plate. Get these murdercycles off the streets today!

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Shakespeare MAY have been right about lawyers... :)

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      kelly 7 years ago

      Hi

      Intresting idea but it will not work, too many lawyers! You could always try for public flogging instead, starting with the lawyers to prevent them from arguing and claiming their clients were suffering from;

      1. Road rage

      2. Cafffine overdose

      3.

      Sorry cannot think of anymore excuse for not being a responsible road user but then I'm not a lawyer

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Finally we agree on SOMETHING. I have a better enforcement. Any motorist (regardless of number of wheels) caught excessively speeding (say, 40 mph or more over the speed limit):

      JUNK THEIR VEHICLE.

      GIVE THEM A $25,000 FINE.

      MANDATORY ONE YEAR IN JAIL.

      That will straighten them out!

      DUI... ONE STRIKE AND YOU'RE OUT. LICENSE GONE. LIFETIME. NO APPEAL.

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      kelly 7 years ago

      Why not simply call for more visible policing on the roads, this would improve the safety of everyone on the road and not infringe on the rights of others.

      If you were to do this you would have the support of all reasonable road user instead you now sound like a reactionary out to destroy free choice.

      And in answer to the above post

      SPEEDING BIKERS HAVE TO BE STOPPED FROM KILLING INNOCENT BYSTANDERS.

      DO

      YOU

      UNDERSTAND

      ???

      Ah! you own a cattle farm and want us back in oxcarts.

      All jokes aside, make speeding a much more serious offence, above a given figure say 20mph above the posted speed limit suspending the drivers license for a period of six months, above 30 one year and any speed above 50 the loss of the license for a period of no less than five years as well as hefty fines and mandatory advanced driving courses. This system could then work for any class of road going vehicle.

      Make the DUI offences carry more serious punishments than those suggested above. Texting while driving being more dangerious than either of the other offences should carry the stiffest penalties.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Where did I say that car drivers are innocent of running into bikers when the motorcycle is travelling at legal speeds? That's got NOTHING to do with this conversation. HELLO, MCFLY? Sound out the words and maybe you'll understand better: SPEEDING BIKERS HAVE TO BE STOPPED FROM KILLING INNOCENT BYSTANDERS.

      DO

      YOU

      UNDERSTAND

      ???

      DUH! Your head is denser than a Bell Cerwinski Carbon LE Helmet!

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      kelly 7 years ago

      Obviuosly a few more than yourself given the fact that both the Hurt and Maids reports state that most motorcyclists are killed by drivers not the otherway round.

      The average motorist does not concentrate on his or her enviroment (texting on cellphones, fiddling with radios, drinking coffee, doing makeup, shaving etc.) whilst steering (I will not call it driving) the vehicle they are using to travel in, as a result of this lack of concentration they become lethal weapons to other roads user.

      Is the superbiker rider guilty of hitting a motorist when said motorist breaks the law by turning in front of them or how about jumping a traffic light is the rider still guilty?

      You would have everyone believe that superbike riders are taking to the roads in a frenzy to kill the poor defenceless motorists or are you meerly projecting your own desires onto superbike riders?

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Wow. Your level of INCOMPREHENSION staggers me. When was the last time an air conditoner, cellphone or television killed innocent bystanders because the operator was an idiot speed-addled criminal? Do you have ANY brain cells that work?

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      kelly 7 years ago

      "In the multiple vehicle accidents, the driver of the other vehicle violated the motorcycle right-of-way and caused the accident in two-thirds of those accidents."

      - Quote Hurt Report

      The MAIDS report tends to support most of the Hurt Report findings, for example that "69% of the OV [other vehicle] drivers attempted no collision avoidance manoeuvre," suggesting they did not see the motorcycle.

      Unless this is your long experience can scientifically disprove two long term studies of actual crashes in both the USA and Europe.

      This does not however discount the idiots on motorcycles regardless of size who believe that roads are racetracks.

      By following your desire to ban superbikes the result will be less freedom in all spheres of life, once the first ban takes place what will be banned next the right to free speech which is of course not a right but the responsiblity to accept the views of others.

      Do we need a superbike capable of travelling at well over the legal limit (unless you live in Germany) maybe not but then you don't need airconditioners, cellphones or televisions. The real question is do we want those things.

      When you take away the freedom of choice in one area you run an extreme risk of losing all your freedoms.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Here is the information. You are a moron. Learn to read or enjoy your hike... preferably off a long pier.

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      kelly 7 years ago

      So are you unable or unwilling to supply the information.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Take a hike. If you think I'm discussing a single incident you need to take your first grade reading class again. DUH!

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      kelly 7 years ago

      Having read through the posts above I am yet to learn where the alleged accident took place. You have made wild comments but not offered real information which can be checked independantly for accuracy. Please supply the request information.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      So... read my lips: Write a comment with wording I can publish on a family friendly platform like Hubpages and I'll address your issues. Now I'm late for the skinhead rally... but that's only because I don't have too many hair left on my head anyway... :)

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      Brian 7 years ago

      Whether my comment is published or not is of no concern to me, I'm not trying to win a public internet debate. However I am honestly curious to see how you would address those points. You're political affiliation matters very little, I am simply pointing out that you're opinions on this matter are very much like the short sighted laws of protection and failed social programs resulting from the leftists.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Brian, edit your comment to take out the expletives and I'll publish them. And EDUCATE YOURSELF, BOY! I have articles all over the internet including on Hubpages where I'm chiding Obama as a Commie! I'm more right wing than most FASCISTS for cryin' out loud. DUH!

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      colson 7 years ago

      Loyalty to a petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul.

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      Tourabusa rider 7 years ago

      Hal,

      In now way do I come here to bash. I come as a rider of a Hayabusa. I have actually never had my bike over 85. Yeah I know I could have that in first gear if I wanted but I don't. I just want to point out that all sport bike riders are idiots or speed demons. What if for example I absolutely love the looks of a Busa. I love the ergos of the bike since I am a larger rider and just plain feel wrong on other bikes. Ive ridden 1800 goldwings... just not my thing. I love the feel and ride of a spor tbike. And the Hayabusa makes an amazing sport tourer. Sport bikes do not cause death. The people that ride above their limits cause death. Are we going to ban Ferrari's, Porche's, And demand all classic muscle cars get taken to the shredder? No, that would be stupid. Sport bikes are works of art and should be respected as such.

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      tweeked-1 7 years ago

      Hey there hal, I wanted to say as the owner of a cbr600rr that not all of us are stupid speed freaks. I owned several other cruiser bikes prior to buying a sport bike and I have a great deal of respect for any bike I ride. I do understand that in the blink of an eye you could kill or die and personally I have never been over 75 mph on any bike and the only reason I went that fast is it was the speed limit out west on a trip I took and I will have to say it scared the hell out of me mostly because all the cars were doing 85 and passing me. I don't agree with banning these bikes but I do think the penalty for road raceing and sensless speed should be much more harsh. I would say a person being caught flying down a road should do jail time and that there bike should be seized and not returned that would sure slow them down and with the price of some of those bikes maybe they would think before they act. I don't see the point of going that fast I like to cruise and pick up girls and at high speeds you can't tell if there good lookin or not and that could cause you an accident of a different kind. I have three kids, no tickets and a strong will to live and Im sure there are some others out there that are the same. Not all sport bike riders fall into one catagory. (may the lord bless you with the ability to see and bring you into the light so you shall not be the jugde of others but see in yourself the wrongs which you so blindly preech) god bless

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      Lombardo Joe 7 years ago

      I own and ride a Suzuki GSX-R 600. It can do 115 in 2nd gear. Stock. Why so much power? Who knows. Personally, I like the way it looks. Will I ever do 115 in second? Only on the track.

      I actually am writing because I had a little input on Douglas Danzeisen's post above mine... I'm actually very pissed off at the amount of people that almost kill me on a daily basis because they're texting on their phones. I thought of a solution... A lot of the new phones now have a GPS included in them that can be used for navigation, Google maps, etc. How about if we get these phones to disable texting if the GPS registers you are going faster than normal walking speed of a human? The only problem is that whole, "What if you're locked in a trunk and need to alert the authorities" thing... And passengers would be pretty pissed off.

      Ok, so my idea sucks. But damn... Texting and driving is like the biggest thorn in my side right now on a bike.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      I don't want to get into a discussion as to where to draw the line, as I don't want to detract from a very well written and superlative comment. So I will simply thank you for your participation. I really appreciate it.

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      Douglas Danzeisen 7 years ago

      Hal,

      The answer is that no body needs this much capacity. As a newer cycle rider I am acutely aware of all the things that other riders do. I have seen guys pop wheelies on streets where kids play ball, he could not have stopped his speeding bike if one had run out in front of him. Stupid, ignorant and uncaring of others.

      Was bicycling through town last fall, had the green light and was cycling through the intersection when an SUV started to come through the intersection. The driver was texting and oblivious to me. Luckily her passengers were screaming(I could hear them above my screams!).A close call, but when I pulled up next to her at the next stop light, one block later, she was still texting, apparently never put the damn thing down. Not a hayabusa, but that Explorer was potentially just as lethal to me.

      Sadly, this type of thing is all too real everyday as many can attest. The real problem is that we have slipped as a society and are not valuing others as we should be. We are terrified of getting hurt or injured and want to be "Protected" at all costs, and then so many of us do the most stupid things possible and then dare to wonder how we got into the mess that we find ourselves immersed in. Multiply that times a few hundred million and you get the idea.

      We are so ready to blame the other person, but rarely look at ourselves and ask what we did to contribute to the accident. Ask not what you can do for me, ask what I can do for myself.

      My point is that by taking away choice we are not safer. A single soul with a loaded gun can do a lot of damage, and unfortunately they often do. I need only pick up my local paper to read about it every day. Are guns banned? For the most part no, and paradoxically in places where concealed carrying or a weapon is lawful, one is LESS likely to be a victim of violent crime. In sheer numbers of innocents killed I suspect more are killed this way than in a squadron of "Turbo" Busas.

      Which would do a greater good, banning the Hayabusas, or banning cells and texting while driving?

      The real issue is not what to ban, but how to lead people into being responsible for themselves, and others lives that they impact. That begins with parenting and teaching when our kids are young. Much easier just to "Ban" things than have to think and act. The real challenge is to not to restrict the liberty of individuals, it is to create a society where asocial destructive behavior is not celebrated in pop culture.

      I agree that in many respects our culture is in serious jeopardy- economically, socially, spiritually, and in several other respects. I hear the angst you feel for our cultural slide to the abyss. The rationale for your position can easily be defended, but..... Where do you draw the line?

      How much is too much? Is speed the issue, if so, what is acceptable? What about 80mph? Who really NEEDS to go faster? If power is the issue who will decide how much is too much? Is 50hp too little, too much, just right? What about if you are riding double, in the mountains with luggage? What if you are like me and commute, and have a ball with 200cc? Who decides? Give me liberty and freedom of choice. This is AMERICA!

      Our forefathers bled and died for freedom. Laws should be for protection, not exclusion.

      Statistically, do superbikes kill more innocent people than alcohol, smoking, or any other potentially lethal item?While they are restricted in their use they are not outlawed. To do so would take away freedom for those who choose to use them. Freedom, with it comes responsiblity- Change we can really believe in.

      America! Land of the free! Because of the brave

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      One more time... sure idiot car drivers plough into bikes. But the stats prove that the hyperbikes run into cars and poles and trees, etc. at a staggering rate. That isn't because they're idling in first gear. :)

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      Jason 7 years ago

      i absolutly agree with bira on this one. grantd the bikes today are a little over kill i ride a gsxr600 k6 and most of the time its the negligence of the drivers on the road that come into my lane or are too busy texting on there phone to notice me. time after time drivers slam into the back of bikes or pull out infront of them when there legally going the speed limit and obeying laws like anyone elts. And this is america, if u ban bikes then youll look towards guna then alcohol then cigaretts then the color yellow because its brightness blinds other drivers. i say leave things how they are.. or go buy a bike and see what u think. I know a lot of bad things happen and things like the picture to the top happen but they also happen with cars all the time.

      Jason... sry for the spelling haha at least you get the meaning

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Nonsense. Chances are you wouldn't have bought your sportsbike to not open it up on the streets. 2 days ago I had some criminal riding a Fireblade pass me on the highway at well over triple the speed limit. Crazy animal is right. Ban 'em and jail 'em. Period.

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      bira 7 years ago

      Man, you sure are one ANGRY dude! Every other post you have to call people names; morons, numb-skulls, etc, etc. I ride a sports-bike, yes, do I run it like a crazy animal on the streets? No, no more, no less, than I do in my car because I value not only my life but that of others as well. It sad to see you undermine your own arguments with not only your anger but your complete unwillingness to listen to others. So typical, think you know it all and what is best for others, yet according by your own admission you should be right next to the speed demons in that jail cell you so readily assign them. Reality is this, outlawing items across the spectrum of life just because there are some morons out there would make for a pretty dull life. 2006 MC accident stats: "In the multiple vehicle accidents, the driver of the other vehicle violated the motorcycle right-of-way and caused the accident in TWO-THIRDS of those accidents." "The median pre-crash speed was 29.8 mph, and the median crash speed was 21.5 mph, and the one-in-a-thousand crash speed is approximately 86 mph." Get a grip dude and go complain about something else that actually needs fixing, like the moron car drivers that can't follow traffic rules and kill bikers!

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      No, it's much better for you to have the anarchic freedom to go out to get your lolz while KILLING ME! I prefer the government that JAILS you for being a speed-addled moron. :)

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      bira 7 years ago

      Hal obviously prefers an intrusive and overbearing government telling us what we can and cannot do, more so than is the case already. Since "we have no privacy left anyway" let's allow the government to know everything we do and when we do it. Let's have them, who are so much wiser than the rest, guide our lives.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      No difference between two and four wheeled hypervehicles. Ban them ALL.

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      Crazy 7 years ago

      Ban supersport motorcycles because the CAN go fast on the highways and residential roads.

      Uhh that just sounds ignorant.

      Of all my years driving, mostly on the highway, I can easily say that I have been passed by more cars at speeds in excess of 120mph+ than I have by motorcycles.

      a 250cc motorcycle can break 150mph so should those be banned as well? Heck pretty much any motorcycle can break 140mph so should they all be banned?

      Also, last I knew, most of the annoying riceburners on the road can do well over 140mph. The only difference is how fast they get to that speed.

      I think a crazy person in a car doing 140+ is more dangerous than a crazy person on a motorcycle doing 160+

      A motorcycle WILL only run into 1 vehicle at those speeds because as the picture above indicates, it will be embedded into the car it hits. However, a car driving at 120+ WILL hit more than 1 car if there's others nearby. Both could cause a chain reaction equal to one another but the initial and most severe damage is caused by the initial impact.

      Ok so there MIGHT be more crazy people that ride motorcycles than there are that drive cars. So what's going to happen when you ban those motorcycles they ride? Will they simply switch to fast cars and do WAY MORE DAMAGE? I believe so. Either that or they'll continue to ride that illegal bike of theirs anyway and just speed away if a cop sees them, thus causing more accidents.

      There's no winning this argument. I don't agree with banning supersport bikes simply because they CAN go fast, because cars CAN go fast as well. Why not just make it more difficult to obtain one of those said bikes? Must be a certain age to purchase or operate... Sounds good to me.

      Law makers need to do what they can without pissing on the people that pay their salary.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      That is such nonsense. What the hell is the difference between a 300 lb dude and a 170 lb rider and a 130 lb gf passenger? 600 owners ride two up all the time. Sheesh...

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      OMG 7 years ago

      I just saw a 300+ pound man riding a hayabusa... This guy made the busa look like a 600... there is no way this guy would fit on a 600 and im not sure it could accelerate his ass, anyways, whats a guy like that to do? Im sure he isnt trying to break the sound barier. He supposed to ride around looking like a adult on a little 50CC bike?

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      To both you guys... I don't care if it's a scooter (like the ridiculous and lethal Burgman 650). If it violates the formula in my Hub:

      https://hubpages.com/autos/The-Absolute-Solution-T...

      It gets its license plate shredded. No excuses. Wanna speed? There's the track!

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      OMG 7 years ago

      Hey Hal.. its me again... What makes you think your so mature? with all the coments youve posted about other riders, i tend to think your just the opposite.. However, I do agree with your last statement... where do banning JUST hayabusa's and other supersport bikes fit in that last statement? Its everyones responsibility to be safe for there own benefit and others.. Finially you are making some some valid points but you are throwing all your hard work on this hub down the drain backstepping like that..

      we all love you hal... just stay out our way.. ;) lol

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      "Responsible rider" 7 years ago

      I have only been riding two years and with my experiance, I feel more endangered by other motorist, rather than feeling like an endangerment to society. I was almost hit on us 129 (the dragon) by an ambulance... there was no excuse for his neglagent driving. Had I been hit I would have been helpless. There for I fell that Motorcycles can be dangerous, and should be used to there potential on a track only. But this is no reason for them to be ban. I do agree with another post earlier in the thread, it talked about a cc limit to new riders. Sure this would be a good idea, but not a long term limit.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      When I was 18 I'd already been riding for five years, and had seen the sunny side of 150 mph on several occasions (yes boys and girls, on public highways... with maturity you see the stupidity and recklessness of your youth). Having said that, I don't care if you're 18 or 81 or if you're riding a 250 Ninja or a 2300 Rocket III. If you are a licensed rider you have a responsibility to the motorists and pedestrians sharing your road. There is no, repeat, no excuse for utilizing excessive speeds on public roads. Take it to the track.

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      "Responsible rider" 7 years ago

      If you want to ban super sport bikes, then I want to ban cruisers... All the chrome is a distraction. My point is that this is a never ending argument. I am 18 and started on a 2008 250 ninja (by choice to gain experiance) I have recently advanced to a 2006 zzr600. I will be attending Ed Bargy race school next year. I have gone threw every permit/ BS period that they can throw at me. I feel that I am qualified to ride any bike (within my experiance level). I also feel that I should have the right to choose what bike I want. As far as the gas milage argument... Most people ride bikes for enjoyment, if they can afford to feed them, then let them ride them. There are many other ways to help the environment. Where I live, if you are on a sport bike then the police will not even try to pull you over... so mabe that problem could be addressed to help keep riders within the boundaries of the law. After all you guys know what they say about opinions...

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Hmmm.... so my Hubs are not that interesting that you haven't left about a dozen comments sprinkled over several of them, huh? Great. Why don't you just go back to reading Dr. Seuss. He's fascinating, he's right up your alley, and I'm sure that they have the full selection in the prison library. :)

      There is a great line in "First Monday In October". Walter Matthau is playing a Supreme Court Justice and he states "the law should fit a man like a good suit of clothes... loosely." I am ALL FOR "reasonable and flexible" enforcement of speed limits. If the speed limit on a highway is 55 mph, traffic is light, and weather conditions are good, pulling over the guy who's doing 60 is not "reasonable and flexible". At 65, it's a judgment call by the officer. It might be a good idea to pull over and issue a warning. At 265, there is no reason or flexibility, dude. Go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass GO, do not collect ANYTHING BUT A LONG SENTENCE. :)

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      Anonymous 7 years ago

      You are correct, Hal. I'm not really aware of what you've been doing recently, mostly because the things that you do probably aren't that interesting and what little of your hub content I've read seems to affirm this.

      However, I will concede that you have a knack for generating content that is hysterical and over the top. No doubt this particular hub generates a volume of traffic (and ad clicks) that is above average. It takes genuine talent and ability to turn a profit by posting uninformed drivel to the intarwebz. Most people do it for free.

      With that said, I must say that I take issue with your "get tough" solution to excessive speeding on public roads. It's simply not comprehensive enough. I propose extending the "1 month per 1 mph" rule to EVERY speed limit, all the way down to 10 and 25 mph posted limits. After all, we can't have someone just blithely tearing along on their electric scooter at 27 mph in a 25 mph zone. This person is obviously behaving in such a reckless and irresponsible manner that it befits a two month jail sentence. What if a small child crosses the street? If it saves just one life, it's worth it in my book!

      Wouldn't you agree, Hal?

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Sounds great dude. Since you're obviously not aware of much, as you didn't read any of my other Hubs where I've stated that the Hawgly was sold more than a year ago. I haven't seen the high side of 70 mph off the track from WELL before I sold the FXD. So... 1 month for every mph it is. Let's do it! So I guess you'll be leaving jail sometime in the next decade? :P

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      Anonymous 7 years ago

      Hal: Agreed. One month in jail for every mph over 70 mph. That goes for you, too. Splat-splat-splatting down the freeway on your Hardley Ableson and happen go a few miles an hour over the limit? Prepare to spend a few months in jail, evil-doer!

      On a more realistic note, if you think repliracers are riding fast now, wait until boneheaded "1 month for every 1 mph" legislation is passed. Spend ten months in jail for 10 mph over the speed limit? Your "get tough" approach will simply have an effect that is opposite of your original intent. Why serve a draconian jail sentence for a minor traffic infraction when the rider can just drop two gears and twist the wrist? Oops, not thinking there, were you sherlock?

      You cannot be serious.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Stick N Move: Thanks for the fame over on whatever hothead bozo forum full of losers who don't have a remote semblance of a life... so they have to make up for their lack of manhood by straddling hundreds of horses and endangering bystanders in a vain attempt to prove that they're not eunuchs. I am generally a tolerant person but I reach my limit whenever any doughhead comes onto any of my Hubs and states something that is factually incorrect. Are you trying to tell me that there HAS NOT been an accident where anyone but the Hayabusa rider was killed, or are you telling me that you don't know of one happening? Well, it's obvious that you don't know of lots of things happening, like today's date, the weather outside, how to tie your shoes, or who is President. Therefore, you have opened your mouth to prove that you're an ignoramus, and I will let you stew in your own stupidity sauce.

      Anonymous: Let me tell you a little story... a few years ago I was driving along a European highway when there was a huge jam. Almost two hours later I was able to get to the point where the accident occurred. It turns out that a Fiat Uno containing 5 people travelling at the speed limit changed lanes and one of your wonderful brotherhood with his gf on the back doing at least 250 kph ENTERED the Uno. The engine of the bike embedded itself into the dash of the Fiat. Needless to say there was a lot of gristly red stuff which a couple of hours earlier was 7 live people.

      I've got a great suggestion. How about a month in jail for every mph you're caught on your metal penis extension over, say, 70 mph? That would clean up the roads of your flotsam and make it safer for everyone.

      Now grip THIS, dude. :)

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      Anonymous 7 years ago

      Hal, do you need help picking up all the names that you just dropped all over the place? Holy shit, I mean, really...

      How often is it that you've been plowed into by a sportbike rider doing 185 mph? Must be scads, dozens, a daily occurance even, if the shrill urgency of your hub content is any indicator. How often is it that some moron hangs a hard left in his SUV without looking while jawjacking on his mobile and ends up with a motorcycle of ANY KIND parked in his back seat?

      Perhaps this is the question we should be asking, yes? I know the "sportbike death machine plows into van full of children and fuzzy puppies" scenario makes you go a big rubbery one, but the fact is that this sort of thing is a rare occurance. Most sportbike crashes involve a single operator, often at speeds that are MUCH lower (i.e. 25-50 mph).

      Let's get a grip, shall we?

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      Stick N Move 7 years ago

      Hello Hal. I have read much of what others have said and what you claim and have come to the conclusion that you are very delusional. You need to stop being so ignorant and listen to what others are telling you because it is falling upon your own deaf ears. And I would be even more willing to be that you are going to poo poo me as well for having a differing view.

      Anyways, Our sportbike forum has found your blog and articles and are sure giving you hell for what you have said and claimed. If you dont like sportbikes, fine. If you dont like sportbike riders, fine.

      You claim... "Busa Hotheads ramming into innocent bystanders at 1/3 the speed of sound kill lots of other people other than themselves. I am not trying to save speeding motorcyclists from themselves. I'm trying to save INNOCENT PEOPLE."

      Yet, I have found that not a single motorcycle accident involving a busa has killed another other than himself. So I am confused why you can paint such a violent picture of something that has not even happened. Please answer me this. How many people who ride sportbikes recklessly and are determined at fault kill innocent people annually? I would be willing to bet that this number could be counted on my left hand (that is if it is higher than 0). I feel as if you are crying over nothing and are worrying that sportbike riders are out to kill you. You have a higher chance of being struck by lightning than being innocently killed by another motorcyclist.

      I am absolutely disgusted that you believe sportbike riders to be out to get you while you are on your way to see a movie. You need to drop this whole motorcycle paranoia and look at real statistics. Drunk, inattentive, preoccupied drivers are the real threat to you and your family. And statistics show that they tend to be sitting in their cages, not on motorcycles. You are wrong and have been wrong this whole time. Why is it such a crime that I love sportbikes and want to enjoy the road just as anyone else?

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Dude, I'm glad to see that you are also sane and can realize the absurdity of slapping a license plate on what should be a racing machine only. Yeah, I had a great time on the FJ. I also loved ripping that MV Agusta around the track, and riding the wheels off Eddie Lawson's very own green monster (not to mention what I did with Yvon DuHamel's racer...). The problem is that the freedom to choose your ride on the street does NOT trump my freedom to survive you crashing into me at 160 mph while I'm on the way to see a movie. :)

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      Secret Cyclist NYC 7 years ago

      I'm a 31 year old street rider with 5 years experience. I ride a GSXR-750 with a top speed of 176mph, and a ZX-14 with a top speed of 186mph. Hal, these bikes don't belong on the street. I think that to myself at least once every time I ride them. The truth is that Americans love excess. We also love the freedom to choose. You have to admit you had a hell of a time back in the old days on your FJ1100.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Hey, as long as you loonies are behind bars and not on public roads endangering my life and those of the people I know, you can entertain each other all you want. Sure I was a squid and a damn good one too, but with MATURITY comes the wisdom to understand that SPEED BELONGS ON THE TRACK AND THE TRACK ALONE! And, yes, does the title of this Hub pertain to Busas alone? The bike in the pic seems to be a Honda Castrol. I'll be more than happy to come up with all the photos you like of Busas embedded in cars, minivans, trucks, buses, telephone poles, etc. :P

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      1297Fun 7 years ago

      You realize Hal, that is not a Hayabusa tail sticking out of the car in your picture!

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      1297Fun 7 years ago

      Busa Owner and I will be happy,healthy cellmates as we exchange stories and memories of all the wonderful times we had on our incredible, predictable, dependable, controlable, HAYABUSAS. We will remember how the machine's credibility allowed it to travel the world with the Goog. Motorcycle Exibition, how the bike made history and began a brand recogition known the world over. How every year in production more people joined the ranks of happy healthy Hayabusa owners (with pera-grins due to ownership.) We will remember the photo shoots, and the verisatility, and most of all we will remember how effortless all that power makes moves in traffic at legal speeds, and how safe and confident it makes the rider feel. The Hayabusa, one of the safest bikes on the road, in responsible hands. The Hayabusa, for responsible, experienced riders.

      And on a side note: The European points system for ownership might help reduce Squid ownership a bit....Sounds like you might have been a Squid at one time, that is until you turned over your new green leaf. 50mpg...50mpg = Busa at 75 mph......

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      TonsAFun: I'm shorter and heavier than you, so I know what you mean about the smaller bikes. As for the onus of the Hub, it's very simple. Since I published this over 9 months ago, I have published a later one dealing with "THE SOLUTION:"

      https://hubpages.com/autos/The-Absolute-Solution-T...

      And I stick by that.

      blahbla: That's exactly what your comment is: BlahBla. Read the IIHS statistics and accept them. That's your choice. If you don't like it, then tough.

      Busa Owner: You're a lunatic speed demon. You belong behind bars. End of conversation.

      Tom Maya: And you're just another nutbar in the Busa Owner category. Cruisers are haters. Huh? Not much in the generalization department are you? Sheesh... what is this Hub, the magnet for every loose nut on the internet?

      1297fun: For that leftover 1.453% of the time, you belong as Busa Owner's cellmate. End of THIS conversation too! :P

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      1297fun 7 years ago

      Hal, you entertained me with this thread. Your agenda is one sided and rediculous IMO! Use your brain for a moment. Is a Desert Eagle .50 dangerous in the hands of an inexperienced person than a .22? Both can kill, correct? This analogy applies to big bore hyperbikes vs. uhmm, is it medium sized bikes you deem worthy of existance?

      Onward I go. The Hayabusa, your targeted EVIL bike. What an incredible piece of equipment! Tours comfortably, goes fast if needed, excellent handling, gets around town nicely, turns heads where ever it goes. A true ICON. Practical, as 50mpg is regularly seen at highway speeds. Safe, good brakes, excellent stability and power, handles cross wind very effectively,(aerodynamics)Wet roads are another stable point if not accelerating hard. A huge following the Hayabusa enjoys. Average Hayabusa owner age: mid to late thirties. Insurance in U.S. I pay $37 a month due to clean record, married, and over 30. My insurance agent told me there are actually very few calms made by Hayabusa owners relative to other sport bikes....uhmmmmmmm they ought to know.

      I'm curious, have you been able to find the tail of a Busa sticking out of a car yet? Just wondering, maybe it's happened somewhere. I love my Hayabusa, and I ride the speed limit 98.547% of the time. I leave whats left for vacant areas, for brief moments of FUN. Thank God for the HAYABUSA, a two wheeled antidepressant, that may even save live!! Go ahead Hal, go buy one, we know you want to.

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      Tom Maya 7 years ago

      All I say is it depends on WHO is riding the bike. Most sportbike owners use helmets (DOT Approved). Here In delaware almost 95% of cruisers on the rode I see the rider AND Passenger not wearing helmets or non DOT helmets. Cruisers are haters!!!!!

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      Busa owner 7 years ago

      I guess your really all for banning MY bike then. I own a turbocharged Hayabusa with 280HP. Yet I manage to ride just fine and rarely do above 120mph. Heck, I rarely go THAT high a speed. You reasoning is the same as "Why take a shower, you'll just get dirty again?". Why not ban all the drinking while riding cruiser riders? Seems like a Harley past time for most.

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      blahbla 7 years ago

      your facts are used as smokescreen to cloud the argument....

      the numbers you quote tell us that sportbike riders are more likely to injur of kill themselves than other riders....

      but you rant about the safety of the public,how many drivers have been killed due to thier impact with a sportbike?

      also please provide how many deaths were caused by impact in the 100mph and over range.

      you throw out the stats thatsupport your idiotic rant...yet ignore the fact that :

      60% of the time the other vehicle is the cause of the accident. not the rider of a motorcycle.

      you also ignore the fact that speed is rarely a cause of accidents, most are the result of cars not seeing the motorcycle.

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      TonsAFun 7 years ago

      I enjoy all motorcycles, but I prefer the looks/handling/braking/power of a sports bike. Unfortunately my diet plan doesn't work and I'm 6'3" 270lbs...if I could fit on a 600 comfortably I would.

      I don't use my bike for high-speed runs, blasting corners, or "stuntin". I prefer to get on my bike and ride until I need gas and lunch, returning home as the sun starts to go down.

      Do I need all 1340cc's of engine? No. Do I mind it being there in those instances when I need to get away from a cell toting soccer mom? Most definitaly.

      Your attitude changed from your original posts of "Ban all hypersport bikes" to "seize the bikes of the immature"....so which is it?

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      uNmYwAy: Why don't we just imprison you and your ilk and throw away the key? Much better solution! :)

      CanadienMike: I'm glad to see that you are a sober rider and we need more like you! A lot more!

      Kass: Not yet, anyway. CanadienMike is an example of reasonable riders, but the problem of morons astride too much horsepower still has to be resolved!

      Manuel Serrano: I have every bit as much opposition to supercars as I do to superbikes on public roads. Take 'em to the track and get them off my street!

      busadave: Ya, but most Harley riders can't hit 260 mph. Sure car drivers cause an inordinate number of motorcycle fatalities. That's clear. However, in how many of those instances was the numbskull on the bike multiplying the speed limit?

      Busa Owner: "I have to answer that with a plain old I don't need it. I just want it. Why have anything that produces too much power. Because I am a man and I want it." No, you're a spoiled stupid wuss baby throwing a tissy fit because Uncle Hal wants to take away your shiny toy. Grow up and while you're at it grow some cojones as well as brains. Take it to the track, bozo!

      quickread: The answer is simple and it has been explained ad infinitum in my many other Hubs on the subject. There is no reason to have any form of wheeled transport on public roads that doubles, triples or quadruples (or more) the national speed limit. The speed demons are welcome to take it to the track!

      Psychmajor: I deleted your comments since you're using expletives. Of course you can't come up with a rational, logical and persuasive arguments, so you start smack talking. You're a sad excuse for a human being. Go play on the freeway, sans vehicle. Goodbye.

      TJ ESCON: Oops. Sorry. I just PRICKed my finger on your PINHEAD. :)

      Art Friedman: Your miles travelled argument is ridiculous. Sure, you chew up more miles in an hour when you're doing 220 mph than when you're doing 55! The statistics speak for themselves.

      chris phillips: I have met several Busa owners through this series of Hubs who are sober, rational, superlative riders with spotless accident records who do not try to explore the top end of their bikes on public highways, and I salute and respect them. However, all the other bozos who still haven't outgrown prepubescent stunting whether they're 20 or 50, I say: SEIZE THEIR BIKES AND THROW THEM IN JAIL! :)

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      CanadienMike 7 years ago

      Hi Hal. I came upon this site as I was trying to find the new 2010 Busa colours lol. I've been riding for 30 consecutive years, mostly tourers and standards. I have three bikes. A '75 Suzuki GT750 which I only ride every second w/e with the Atlantic Vintage Club. A DRZ-SM 400 I use for commuting and an '04 Busa which I ride the rest of the time. I don't care for high speeds, but I like to feel the bike's quick accelaration where it is safe to do so, like merging onto 100 series or passing slow traffic for example. I like the handling of the Busa in the twisties and hairpins and would miss that a great deal should my bike was banished. I like the size of my Busa, as any other smaller sportbike I've demoed I found too small for my 6'2" build.(The ZX-14 is also comfy for me) I like the fact that my Busa gets 40 to 50 MPG as it RPMs at 2,900 at 100km/h compared to my friends Sportster at 3,400RPM. I like the exquisitely throatier exhaust note compared with the smaller whining sportbikes. I love, love, love the look of my Busa which is distinct from any other sportbike.

      Now my dislikes: I don't like the fact that 3 cruiser riders in my province lost their lives last summer because their machines weren't designed for the speed at which they attempted to negotiate the curves. I also don't like that this summer the parents of a newly licensed kid bought him a 600RR as a first bike and he killed himself the very first day he took it out. I don't like it when I'm cruising with my Busa and Harley riders pass me on the highway and crack their throttles wide open as they go by, apparently trying to impress me with their big guzzlers' wild accelaration and noisiness until their disapear from view. hehe. Believe or not this happens also every second time I ride! And most often from guys who have their chicks as passengers.

      I will continue my quest to attempt to reason with the nuts on bikes, regardless of the type of bike they ride and persuade them to lose their shinanigans ways or at the least that they act stupid at their peril only. Away from the rest of us.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Graduated licensing is a good concept and one well worth adopting. But the basic question is still unanswered by any hyperbiker on these Comments:

      WHY DO YOU NEED A VEHICLE THAT QUADRUPLES THE HIGHWAY SPEED LIMIT ON PUBLIC ROADS?

      Until anyone can answer that question with logic and integrity, then the whole thing is moot. Ban you all and take you all off the roads. Take a bus. :)

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      Steve 8 years ago

      I own an ride a Hayabusa, and I love it. Never hit triple digit speeds. But I can say that on that bike, it doesn't take much. As much as I like the bike, it is too powerful to be reasonable for most folks. If you open the throttle, you're redlining at 80mph in first gear in around four seconds.

      I do feel that we could implement a better system of limiting access to what can easily be murder-suicide rockets. For one, usually it's kids who seem to be buying sportsbikes for street use, with next to no driving experience, let alone riding. And they're often the ones taking risks. I've always supported the idea of a limit to power-to-weight, in any vehicle, bike, car, whatever, according to age. I'd be interested to see how the above stats look when broken into age groups.

      But I don't support outright banning them, they're great bikes. And it's more than just sheer top speed and acceleration you lose when you move to a smaller, or different style bike. I don't care for either of those thrills, but a Hayabusa is still the best bike I've ever ridden. It just does everything superbly. Unfortunately, that includes letting people ride like jackasses.

      While I agree with the above comments that the operator is the problem, not the bike, I believe that perhaps not everyone should have access to the choice. Again, I'm mostly talking about limiting by experience. Not allowing vehicles of powerful capacity to be sold or operated by younger age groups, or to people with enough traffic violations.

      So I'd say more of a selective ban than an outright one.

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      bantime88 8 years ago

      Lets see, deadly seniors in Caddilacs, drunk soccer moms in SUVs, whackos in Pick Up Trucks, dumbos on Cel Phones, Teens in HiPo Cars, inexperienced and young riders on Motorcycles, Police driving at hi speeds. Do we ban the vehichles or drivers. Some of the idiots I know drive the same reguardless of what they're driving. Most accidents could be prevented with a tiered license program for MCs and tougher testing for licenses and renewel, repeat offenders license revocation.

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      TKPinney 8 years ago

      Even a 600 sportbike is too much power for a first-time rider. But that won't stop the dealer from selling that Busa to some young guy with enough folding green freedom in his pockets.

      The single report that you wave around in every post just tells me that the rider was not disciplined enough for his bike and the power it possessed.

      If you look at motorcycle statistics, you would see the U.K. has a lower fatality rate percentage. (based off the number of riders, not the population which is obviously smaller than the U.S)

      The reason for this is that the U.K. licensing program requires riders to "work up" to higher cc levels.

      Would a program like this be more acceptable to you than out right banning these bikes? Seems like a good compromise to me, especially as a Busa rider I would NOT recommend it as a first bike or for anyone with less than 3-4 years of experience. (I'ts my third bike, I have beeen riding for 8 years, and have multiple MSF safety courses, and riding school courses under my belt)

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Man: Tell that to the family of the guy who not too far from where I live got hit by a hyperbike rider while he was going over 200 kph IN A SCHOOL ZONE.

      j3rry: Dang straight about taking the supercars off the road! Take every vehicle off the road which is capable of such outrageous speeds which should be reserved for race tracks right now no matter how many wheels it has.

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      j3rry 8 years ago

      Hi, whilst i respect your opinion it wont fix anything, you can kill people no matter what you drive or ride, banning super sports bikes is not the answer, the machine only does what you tell it to do, why not ban super cars then, they exceed the speed limit and why are you so hell bent on banning things, seems to be most peoples answer for everything these days, if they don't like it ban it.

      white vans should be banned, they nearly killed my brother and knocked him off his bike ( cbr 600 ) and left the scene,so you see its not the bikes, cars etc its the owners are to blame.

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      Man 8 years ago

      Dale has a good point. His brain works fine.

      Super bikes are the king of the road just plain and simple.Guys riding cruisers can't stand being so badly out gunned. If you are riding a high output machine, does not make you a danger to society! Not taking care of yourself, such as no helmet and proper gear, over driving your ability, road condition, trusting motorists too much ect.... are the things that kill motorcycle riders.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Dude, you are so whacked you should donate your brain to science so they can figure out how you went so insane. I've lived in England for 2 years and in other parts of Europe for over a decade.

      "Respect is common amongst all road users over here, although it is greater in mainland Europe"

      HUH?

      I've seen as many sheer maniacs on the UK roads as I've seen over on this side of the pond. And did you ever drive in places like Barcelona or Naples? You take your life into your hands just backing out of a driveway. They drive on the friggin' sidewalks!

      Where do you live, some bucolic Cornwall village and never leave it?

      Sheesh, dude...

      I agree that safe riding is of paramount importance and that is how I ride. But lunatics who triple and quadruple the highway speed limit must be stopped by any legal ways possible.

      And that's all there is to that! :)

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      Dale 8 years ago

      Dude. This world is hideously over populated anyway. We are greedy as a species and want to live for as long as possible.

      Over here in the UK 90% of motorbikers wear the correct gear. The other 10% are those who ride mopeds or cruisers.

      Respect is common amongst all road users over here, although it is greater in mainland europe. Everyone wants to help each other. Cars will signal when the road ahead is clear to overtake, and those on lower capacity bikes will do the same for folling cars. Anyway, you catch my drift.

      The problem does not lie with the vehicle. It lies with the person incharge of the vehicle. these come in all shapes and sizes. Taxi drivers, car drivers, motorcyclists, lorry drivers, bus drivers etc. The fact is that banning a type of vehicle is simple against human rights. I could start a thread banning lorry drivers because i saw one of them fall asleep on the motorway a few weeks back, killing something like 12 people.

      Moderation is the key. If i come across a car doing the speed limit on a twisty road, i will overtake if its safe. alternatively i will ride at less than the speed limit if i feel it is unsafe!

      The fact is that myself and everyone i have ever ridden with knows what they and their bike is capable of. If people start throwing bikes into cars and killing people then it is that individuals fault, not the machines.

      The throttle is there and should be used when safe - end of!

      people will always die on public roads, its an inevitable fact of life. people die from old age too.

      If i ever die on a motorbike, i know i can RIP knowing that i will have taken no-one with me because i wouldnt ever put myself in that situation anyway. The only likely way i will die on a bike is if someone takes ME out; which is much, much more likely to happen!

      Dale

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Great! Why don't you go make a video with the bike in 6th then? :)

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      BQ-S 8 years ago

      I watched your video. The bike is only in 5th gear.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Well, of course helmets are obligatory and should always be worn.

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      Man 8 years ago

      I went to Sturgis SD this summer. I was shocks when I seen all the retards with no helmets nor any other protective gear riding on the highways. If you are serious about saving lives,laws need to be placed just like seat belts. To protect the people that are too stupid to protect themselves. Armored leathers and full face helmets should be minimum requirements.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Banning sportbikes is not realistic? Then the only choice is speed governors tied into GPS.

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      Man 8 years ago

      I got my first Hayabusa in 2002. I know it's very easy to endanger your life with this bike just like a fast car, gun, small aircraft,speed boat and so on. It just simply is the best handling and performing motorcycle available. Therefore there is no going back. I rode my first Harley davidson in 2004, then I understood why Harley riders rode so slow. These bikes feel out of control at quite low speeds giving you the feeling that your going fast. If I never had ridden a well designed motorcycle, I would be happy putting along on a Harley.... Banning sport bikes is not realistic. Helmet and riding gear laws are realist. Uncomfortable in hot weather but very useful in a crash.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Thanks, Jason!

      BTW, yesterday on a high mountain four lane road, I was passed by a white Hayabusa with an extended swing arm. I was at the 100 kph (60 mph) limit. I conservatively estimate the gentleman was at 275 kph (170 mph). There is one dude in DIRE need of a speed governor! :(

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      jason1701 8 years ago

      mark,

      A busa is not beyond the limits of 90% of riders, even if you want to push it to its limits. Its beyond the limits of someone who wants to be irresponsible and immature. Standard roads are not designed for great speeds like a track is. It is far more unpredictable. Hey, I dont need to tell anyone here this, you already kow that.

      Mick UK,

      Chill my fellow Englishman! I think Hal is relating specificaly to his own local state roads in Canada. I dont think Speed Racers on hyperbikes is much of a problem in england purley due to police presence and speed cameras everywhere. Theirs no need to be threatened.

      Ps. To newcomers to this Hub. Check out Hals solution Hub before you take this one to heart. Its a real solution for countries where it matters. I am a Busa rider, and back Hal on his solution Hub, but not the whole 'ban' thing. I promote safe riding even if its a turbo charged 280bhp Busa. But remember, If people cant be educated then they are enforced!

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      I agree with most of what you've said, but hyperbikes are fine for any rider as long as they are GPS governed. As they are now, there is no choice but to take them off the streets.

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      Mark 8 years ago

      DUUUUDE! Life is dangerous. You can get killed on ANY bike or in ANY car even if you are careful. Of course there are always gonna be idiots that want to speed up the process. I once had a GPZ 750 back in the 1980s. I bought it new . Never had a problem. I was 20 years old. Then one night I saw a guy broadside a car at probably way over 100 nmph, almost cut the car in half. After seeing that, I took my bike back. I didnt ride again until about 2 years ago, when I got the itch again. I now ride an SV 650. This is the bike you want for the street. When I bought it, I was looking at the Hayabusa, just looking. The salesman bent over backwards trying to get me a great deal on one, but no way was I going there (memories).My point is, you have to know your limits, and obey them. A Hayabusa is beyond the limits of 90% of riders. Samne with an R1.KNOW YOUR LIMITS

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      BadBikesNBTCHS: Sure, I'll take the Prez job. Couldn't screw up the USA any more than Obama is. The only prob is that we'll need to implement a constitutional amendment to let Canadians be Presidents of the USA. :)

      Mick UK: Blah, blah, blah. Get fitted for your orange jumpsuit as you'll be cleaning up fields next to some sheep farm in Wales by the weekend! :)

      As for the bike being a 400, better yet! Let's impose GOVERNORS on all bikes. 70 mph max. PERFECT IDEA! Thanks, Mick UK! I'll call Gordon Brown on that right now! :)

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      Mick UK 8 years ago

      Stupid man!!! scotty and a few other are correct its the (RIDER NOT THE BIKE....) Its the car driver not the car, its the person with the finger on the trigger not the gun. As for the track it was a track off public roads the right place at hte right time The Same type of people let you do similar speeds on a track silly silly man. Your are a educated idiot. ready to insult anyone who disagree`s with you !! EDUCATION and Better TRAINING and RESTICTIONS are the future not a ban..For probation periods. funny how you say all bike should be no more than 500cc because the pic of the Honda in the pic above inside the Nissan micra in Holland is a 400cc in castrol Honda colours or as you say color`s it was not the poor bikes Fault or the poorcars Fault, it was the rider on its back. DO YOU GET IT THE RIDER NOT THE BIKE....Police in the uk and fire services meet at places where there are regular bike meeting and EDUCATE riders showing large blown up pic`s like yours showing above working with other road safety partnerships in the UK Figures show that its working even though all accidents on Britain's roads only 2% to 3% involve motorcycle.This will be my last post on this subject Ive got a better life with loads of fun to have and no im not a 20 something, I'm over 45 something, still enjoying life i have been a bike rider on and off road since i was 13 years of age i get your point but you are toooooooo radical. It looks to me there is no middle ground except for what you want to ride,so get back up on your soap box Stupid man........I'm off now to get locked up. lmao lol

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      BadBikesNBTCHS 8 years ago

      I think you should run for president. Or work for FOX NEWS. Im sure the hole world would love to hear your spin on everyones comments. maybee you would get more respect from bikers also.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      OK, dude. What track were you on that lets you hit 196 mph? The way you worded it, it was evident that it was on a road. That makes you a criminal, and you should be locked up with all the other lunatics who think that those speeds on public roads are somehow their birthright.

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      Mick uk 8 years ago

      I Welcome your comments but you assumed too much, i did say it was in the right place and at the right time and not in a place that would effect any other member of society nor would it kill someone else. U also assumed it was on public roads in the wilds of Yorkshire WRONG!!!!!!. You assumed i was endangering people to get my lolz WRONG!!!!!! . You assumed it wasn`t a track WRONG!!!!!. I didn`t say where it was nor did i say what track it was ? Never mind ive put my point across that you can enjoy the power your bike has in the right places at the right time with experience and common sense and know your limits. On public roads you have a duty to show due care. So there is no reason to ban these bikes. Its down to rider not the bike ?. Ive had my say so i`ll leave you on your big Bike ban soup Box. Don`t forget to get all the big cars and trucks Baned as well who haven`t looked out for the bikes and killed the bikers as well ?. People who ride horses are 20 x more likley to be killed than a biker look that one up !!!.......lol

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      I agree with your call for common sense and experience, but your 196 mph run worries me. You state that you had it "in the right place." Since it seems that it was not a track, you endangered innocent people to get your lolz. I don't care if it was at 3 am on a Tuesday on some desolate motorway in the wilds of Yorkshire. You cannot take into your own hands the responsibility to quadruple the speed limit and kill someone else so you can get your kicks.

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      Mick uk 8 years ago

      Hi I am Mike from the uk, I Own a hayabusa and Have done for a few years now ive read the comments so fare and at the end off the day its down to not banning any type of bike. It all about riding to your ability and riding as fast as you can handle in the right places and at the right times. All bikes are only as fast as you want it to go. Ive had my bike up to 196mph on the clock but in the right place and not in a place that would effect any other member of society. I have as much pawer as i need and if im in a situation where i need to use that pawer to get out of a situation it is on tap. Its all down to common sence and experiance. THINK & LOOK AHEAD!!!!

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Of course most motorcycle accidents are in urban traffic and usually because some bozo in a cage wasn't paying attention. But what do you do? You drag out the HURT STUDY? FROM 1981? A 28 year old study from a time when a 500 was a big bike and most riders today didn't even have their licenses or in many cases even their birth certificates? The far more recent and accurate MAIDS study in Europe found that 18% of all bike crashes were due to differential in speed from traffic. And you can bet that it wasn't because 18% of the motorcycles were going slower... Sheesh...

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      BBlastboy 8 years ago

      Here is an exerpt from an artical focusing on helmets and the link. Just pointing out how unlikely these types of crash's are. The info here was backed up/from 3 different countries (testing in Thailand as well is noted just before this) worth of testing.

      "Even though many motorcycles were capable of running the quarter-mile in 11 seconds (or less) and topping 140 mph back in '81, not one of the 900-odd accidents investigated in the Hurt study involved a speed over 100 mph. The "one in a thousand" speed seen in the Hurt Report was 86 mph, meaning only one of the accidents seen in the 900-crash study occurred at or above that speed. And the COST 327 study, done recently in the land of the autobahn, contained very few crashes over 120 kph, or 75 mph. The big lesson here is this: It's a mistake to assume that going really fast causes a significant number of accidents just because a motorcycle can go really fast."

      http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/gearbox/motorcyc...

      "In the heat of battle you often find yourself aiming for the most visable target, but sometimes its the wrong one."

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      It should be very obvious to anyone with a brain, but of course that does exclude most of the hyperbike wankers who are trying to comment on this Hub: YOU USE NON FAMILY FRIENDLY EXPLETIVES AND I DELETE YOUR COMMENT. How stupid can you guys get? Do you have ANY firing neurons?

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      I've seen more than a dozen deaths from motorcycling with my own eyes, and that is more than enough, thank you. I don't want to see any more and that is the motivation behind these Hubs: to do something, anything, to help stop the carnage. Thank you very much for the typo correction. I'm making the edit now. Much appreciated!

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      BBlastboy 8 years ago

      "There were three separate motorcycle fatalities in the area where I live last week"

      heh I think his point was that you said "I've personaly witnessed..." now you say "in the area where I live" basicly yeah I'm gonna have to go ahead and say that you have not seen personaly seen countless victims killed from speeding motorcycleists. On a side note most of the time when I've read or personaly seen (1) a motorcycle realated death it was just the rider maybe a pasanger (although more rare) that died. Its 22.5 in 2,000 not 10,000, the 10k was the total sample btw of all types of bikes.Yes I know those numbers are more damning.

      I guess what it gets down to is what folks intend to do with the bike. If you take away the SS bikes you are still gonna have the same folks that want to go fast out there buying bikes. They are still gonna speed and do stupid stuff. They are gonna take risks and go for the adrenalin rush because thats what they do. The difference is that they would be trying to push bikes not ment to go that fast to the edge of insanity. Having witnessed too many home brew go fast jobs on cars that makes me nervous.

      Btw everyone should just play nice here. We all love (maybe) bikes. Lets love one another. Ok that was cheese.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Yes, you can kill yourself on a moped, but it's obvious you're too ignorant to read the IIHS report linked at the top of the page, so let me give you some figures that you can interpret without counting above the fingers of your hands (which must be a problem with you):

      There were three separate motorcycle fatalities in the area where I live last week:

      Each one involved excessive speed

      Each one was on a hyperbike

      Now shut up.

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      mstngs351 8 years ago

      "I have personally witnessed countless lives snuffed out whose only fault was sharing the public road with a deranged, maniacal, witless, hysterical idiot of a rider engaging in a fit of supersport velocity delirium."

      Yeah that pretty much summed it up for me. Your full of it and are one of those folks that will twist stats and reports regardless of facts. Not saying superbikes can't be dangerous they all can. I think my grandfather said it best when I was shopping for my first bike and my mom jumped in saying 500cc was too big. "You can kill your self just as easily on a fast bike as my Sunday cruiser. All you have to do is get stupid" (+lol @500cc being too much)

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Noodle, you made some good points and then you had to be stupid enough to plunk in some expletives that I can't publish. What part of THIS IS A FAMILY FRIENDLY SITE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

      Anyway, to answer your main question, just go up a couple of dozen comments and you'll read one of my replies where I clearly state:

      I have ridden more motorcycles for more miles at double to triple the speed limit than all the Hayabusa owners of several states put together. I've readily admitted it and explained at length that THAT WAS THEN THIS IS NOW. In my era excessive motor speed was far more accepted and acceptable than it is now, as the deaths currently pile up and the world turns to conservation, responsibility and sustainability, not expulsive two-wheeled egotistical hedonism. My position, gained through maturity and sensitivity to the times we live in, is that excessive velocity is no longer socially acceptable on public roads.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Thanks for your comment. Again, check

      https://hubpages.com/autos/The-Absolute-Solution-T...

      For the ultimate solution to the problem.

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      Nathaniel Roerig 8 years ago

      I own a suzuki savage. and i see no reason to ban superbikes just because morons can buy them. maybe make them a bit harder to get. like a back ground check. Also a moron on hayabusa going 180 can kill one family and himself/herself. the moron behind the wheel of any car can kill one family at a time and still be on the road. so completely banning is alittle harsh. maybe just make getting a hayabusa more like getting a assult rifle a pain in the ass an lots of questions and if your ever caught doing something wrong with it your F%#$ed.how about Motorcycle license being regulated like a CDL. or like bmw limits there cars to 155mph even though they can go much faster. PS also you need to reference more sets of stats to make your arguements. Simply a ban is not the answer.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Here's THE SOLUTION Hub boys! Have fun!

      https://hubpages.com/autos/The-Absolute-Solution-T...

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      Deece 8 years ago from Piqua, OH

      Cant wait for it Hal, I may not be with you on banning hyperbikes but I definatly like reading talking to you so far, good luck on that hub

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      jason1701 8 years ago

      A thumbs up to DEECE!

      I havnt had the opportunity to go more than 80mph.(that is 80mph to overtake someone going 65 on a 70mph limit road) and I dont feel I even shoud! I may do a track day when I have had much more miles and experience on my Hayabusa. Besides, someone told me once, "Dont race what you cant afford to crash!"

      Indeed, I have found that the massive throttle responce of the busa gets me well away from a bad situation, but as torque doesnt need to be related to top speed, this is still possible with a 250+cc bike! The power to weight ratio will always be an advantage with most bikes.

      Hal! Have you done your solution hub yet?

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Of course no Hayabusa starts itself up, drives itself out of the garage, gets itself into top gear, and smashes into a minivan full of kids on the way to a junior soccer game. However, it seems indistinguishable that the type of immature rider who is attracted to a hyperbike is part and parcel of the marketing push of hyperbikes and their very existence as street legal motor vehicles. We simply have to stop the carnage before the trickle down effect of Draconian legislation turns us all into moped riders.

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      Deece 8 years ago from Piqua, OH

      So is it safe to say you agree with me on the fact that hyperbikes get a bad rep cause of immature riders? I think that is the reason there are more deaths caused on those kind bikes.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      No doubt about it whatsoever, idiots riding a motorized skateboard can cause havoc on a public road. Like you, I've seen the high side of 200 mph on two wheels in a racing circuit situation and I can certainly say that it's exhilirating and something that every motorcycle enthusiast should experience. And yes, it is a shame that hyperbikes seem to attract many buyers who are immature and cannot possibly handle the horsepower generated.

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      Deece 8 years ago from Piqua, OH

      You are right that 235 mark is a little overkill, but I also raced the bike on the track about once a month, and trust me, if I would have been able to, I definatly would have found a way to limit or at least disable some or most of the power and top speed. Or at least bought another bike just for the road, but I never managed to get the necessary funds to have an extra one. I had one car and one bike. Know what I mean? But I do believe firmly that any vehicle can only be as dangerous as the person operating it. Which I think it is a shame that motorcycles like the busa have a bad rep because of idiots that ignore the possiblilites and the consequences of wrecking. If it werent for those idiots, then they would be no different than a 250 cc dirt bike.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Deece: Thank you very much for the comment. I also agree that there is some requirement for power over and above that barely necessary to cruise at highway speed limits... but a 235 mph top end might just be a little overkill! :)