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Honda Fury vs. Yamaha Raider: Perfection Meets Grotesquerie

Updated on March 20, 2011
The Honda Fury seems to find a proper ol skool balance in gunmetal gray with red wheel rim lines.
The Honda Fury seems to find a proper ol skool balance in gunmetal gray with red wheel rim lines.
Smooth lines, classic chopper styling, and integrated styling overall.
Smooth lines, classic chopper styling, and integrated styling overall.
None of the lines match, the whole effect is one of jagged disharmony.
None of the lines match, the whole effect is one of jagged disharmony.
This is the way to run an exhaust system in a chopper, Yammy designers!
This is the way to run an exhaust system in a chopper, Yammy designers!
The very first act of any Raider owner has to be to rip out that mutant exhaust system!
The very first act of any Raider owner has to be to rip out that mutant exhaust system!

Although much of the news coming from Honda's motorcycle operations in the past couple of years has been a bit of a snoozer, as the company seems to have been happy just rehashing last year's bikes and calling them "all new", it seems that the Spirit of Soichiro still lives at Honda: as is witnessed by the 2010 Honda Fury.

The only possible way to describe this chopper-styled bike is "Honda Pulls A Saxon / Big Dog / etc." Prior to the Fury, to get this kind of righteous styling right off the dealership floor you'd have to write a check to a relatively small "cottage industry" manufacturer which not only used an off the shelf engine (usually S&S or RevTech) but also couldn't begin to compare to the R&D and engineering finesse of the world's largest motorcycle manufacturer.

The "spot on" styling of Honda's first foray into "real choppers" begs comparison with last year's premiere of Yamaha's interpretation of the same theme: the Raider.

In some of my other Hubs, I've questioned whether Yamaha has completely lost its marbles lately when it comes to styling. Have they turned over their entire styling department to some 13 year old buzzed on Ritalin and meth? Some of the designs that have come out of Yamaha in the past few years boggle the imagination and defy the vocabulary: hideous, repugnant, disgusting, grotesque, vile... all those words just don't seem anywhere near strong enough to describe aberrations such as the VMX17, Stratoliner, MT-01, and other "ematogenic mutants."

When it comes to "righteous choppers" it seems that the Honda Fury teaches the Yamaha Raider how to "git errr done" with every angle and curve. The overall look of the Fury is everything that the Raider should have been but sadly isn't. The Fury is not only a single harmonious piece from front to rear, but it has precious few features that are "out of sync," while the Raider has only its Road / Wild Star engine to compliment it, and the rest of the bike belongs in the junkyard.

The Fury is not perfect, although it may come pretty close. There are a few elements that don't work on the bike and compromise the overall superlative flow. The headlight has to be thrown away before the bike ever leaves the dealership's parking lot. Picture this bike with a traditional Sportster / Super Glide round headlight with that gorgeous upper "eyebrow" and you'll see just how nicely that styling element balances out the frail-y triangulation on the frame neck (which really should have been plated solid as it looks like it might crack in half if you hit a large pothole). The jewel-like instrument cluster would be better featured in the center of some buckhorn handlebars (although I have to admit that is a very personal preference). I've always had a problem with Honda's Rune-style deep lower front fenders and the fact that they wrap far too much around the front tire, eliminating that "light, ethereal quality" of a chopper's traditional skinny front. The air cleaner cover seems to slice off the cylinders' inner fins and would look much better if it were styled to match the round, riveted look of the two covers on the crankcase on that side. I'm not crazy about the conjoined mufflers, but I understand that meeting noise and emission standards can be difficult with standard small, separate slash cuts.

Another styling problem only presents itself in versions where the frame is body colored, and that is that "sideways M" which forms the rear cradle of the frame and is particularly evident on the shaft drive side strongly detracts from the flow of the engine's chrome and metal macho-ness onto the rear wheel. As for the rear tire, herein lies the Honda Fury's biggest lunchbag letdown. It's way way waaaaaay too skinny. Although it's only one size smaller than Yamaha Raider's 210, the style just simply begs for a 240 or even much larger rear tire! Imagine what that Fury would look like with a monster 300 mounted on the rear wheel! Yes, I know that it was an engineering decision made due to the virtual impossibility of adequately mounting the shaft drive system that far out of the case, but we can dream, can't we?

After you factor in those relatively minor styling blemishes, the Honda Fury still simply eats the lunch of the Yamaha Raider in every imaginable aesthetic parameter. Only when you place them side by side you can absolutely determine that the Raider is a conglomeration of spare parts that were left over from a 1979 Bulgarian aftermarket chopper catalog. This is motorcycle styling that even the Soviets would have recoiled from. As I have stated before, the Yammy's engine still shows some elements of its beautiful Road / Wild Star roots, but the rest of the bike is a direct trip to the Vomitorium. I could easily write an entire book about every single aspect of the Raider and how it has taken ugliness to a whole new level, but I'll spare you the excess verbiage. Let's just state the obvious: This bike is the two wheeled equivalent of Rosie O'Donnell's butt with some extra cellulite thrown in from Roseanne Barr.

The Honda Fury would be absolutely and completely perfect not only if it incorporated the changes I suggested, but if it were available in an engine based on the late and much lamented VLX 600. Although I can certainly applaud Honda for forging its first real chopper from the relatively restrained 1.3 litre VTX series rather than getting in a "massive member" contest with the outlandishly overdisplacemented nearly 2 litre Raider (why a motorcycle needs an engine bigger than a compact car is beyond me), the company could demonstrate its commitment to the new sensibilities of this greener and conserving age by allowing a far preferable choice to riders who don't need nor want tire-shredding power and semi-guzzler gas mileage.

A 600 Fury would not only be the perfect blend of convenience, economy, greenery, and restrained performance combined with killer chopper styling, but I absolutely guarantee would be immediately granted a place of honor in my garage.

Even with a few small detraction points, the current Honda Fury not only wins this styling comparison, it trounces the Yamaha Raider in each and every respect. Do you have eyes? Judge for yourself and tell me in the Comments section if you can possibly defend the Yamaha side!

The Honda Fury Rules!

Post-Script: As a year and a half has elapsed since I wrote this Hub, I would like to state that the more I've looked at the Raider...

THE UGLIER IT IS.

The Raider is an abomination. The styling of the Raider sucks more than the entire Mustang Ranch. Stylistically, it is a misbegotten, misguided, butt-ugly POS which appeals only to brain-damaged 13 year old wankers with nude posters of Joan Rivers on their walls. Any socially conscious Raider riders should cover up their bikes with tarps so that they don't violate the eyes of passers-by. The best thing that any Raider rider can do is remove the drivetrain and frame to use as the base for a righteous chopper and recycle the rest of the frightful junk. I'm sure a metal dealer will give you $10 for it.

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      Ron 2 months ago

      I wouldn't have a plastic Fury if it was given to me. It does look like a Power Wheels product.

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      Jaxs 6 years ago

      To be fair both bike are extremely beautiful and everyone has a right to their own opinion. Be that as it may let’s look at both bikes for what they really are. Upon a close inspection the Honda, although stylish and nice to look at is nothing more than cosmetic plastic and imaginary chrome parts. If you like plastic on top of plastic this is your bike, nothing on this bike says hand crafted, everything from the chrome to the engine covers, valve covers, headlight bucket, etc., are plastic/plasti-chrome, which is a real shame. On The raider you’ll find that the body parts and chrome are all metal. Next Honda has a liquid cooled radiator with hoses. The Raider is air cooled. Further, the belt drive of the Raider allows for true application. The Fury has a (well-hidden) shaft-drive setup. Wait, Shaft drive on a Chopper are you serious? Wow that leaves me speechless! Last but not least is you’re not going to feel like a true rider when your polishing your plastic that scratches easily with rags or when you’re pulling up to every single Wal-Mart you pass when you’re out cruising with your bros. What I mean is Honda has a 3.2 gallon tank, which means under the “best possible road conditions”, (yeah right) you’ll be filling up every 153.6 miles! Honda also has single disk brakes in the front and in the rear which looks cheesy at best. There’s much to say about both bikes but the specs speak for themselves. So let’s compare below:

      Item Raider Fury

      ABS option no yes

      Body parts Metal Plastic

      Bore x Stroke 100 x 118 89 x 104

      Compression 9.48:1 9.2:1

      Cooling Air Liquid

      Displacement 1854cc 1312cc

      Final Drive Belt Shaft

      Front Tire 120/70-21 90/90-21

      Rear Tire 210/40-18 200/50-18

      Fuel Capacity 4.2 3.2

      Fuel Delivery Fuel injected Fuel injected

      Gearbox 5 speed 5 speed

      Rake 39* (33+6 yoke) 38*

      Seat height 27.4 in 26.7 in

      Throttle body Twin Bore 38mm

      Trail 4.02 in 3.5 in

      Valve train push rods 4 valves per cylinder SOHC 3 valves per cylinder

      Weight 692 lbs 663 lbs

      Wheelbase 70.9 in 71.24 in

      In the end it’s all about the ride and what you enjoy most, don’t listen to anyone else, everyone is an individual, most people are puppets and buy into that whole brand name BS. Believe me I’ve met a ton of Harley posers who all they say the dame thing: “but it’s a Harley bro, it’s a Harley” “it keeps its value”. I love all bikes and I own two Harleys, I bought all my bikes for life and I aint planning on reselling any of them. Not only that but as far as value, performance and especially “maintenance” Yamaha kills Harley time and time again. They’re not called HD for nothing, every time you take her in it’s gonna cost you an HD/ AKA: Hundred dollars! So before you buy any bike or affiliate yourself with any motorcycle company, compile a list of bikes you like, go to the dealer, look at the bikes, and then sit on them, feel the bike, don’t just appreciate the cosmetic side of it. Many times the bike you love isn’t the right fit for you. You’ll be surprised what you wind up liking my friends. Get the bike that fits “you” best and which is most comfortable for you. Realize that it’s not about Honda, Yamaha, Harley etc., their all just names of manufactures who you’re making richer and richer with your every purchase. Harley is mass produced these days to so you can throw that custom BS out the window. The last step is if you’re serious about purchasing a bike, a excellent dealer will let you test drive your bike of choice. Your best bet? Go with performance, the bike that requires less maintenance and the best possible ride and fit, for a purchase with peace of mind and many years of satisfaction to come. Remember in the end it’s all about the ride!!!

      -Jaxs

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      Dan 6 years ago

      I recon most Fury fans favour show over go (or anything else for that matter...) All the preocupation with aesthetics is very manly indeed! Get a pink pony, bikes are for men! They don't get confused by too many visible parts.

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      Dan 6 years ago

      The Fury looks too sterille, too simple, more show than go. What's with all the chrome covers? It'a machine, it's supposed to have all those parts, let'em show!

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      Metric Rider 6 years ago

      The Fury indeed is a sharp looking bike. Thanks for the pics Joel, very nice ride. Honda makes great bikes, look at the Gold Wing, now that bike sets the bar in its category. You can not deny the raw attitude of the Raider, it demands respect, not alot of bike can make that presence. They are all great bikes, in there own way. I have yet to ride a Fury. On the other hand I have had the pleasure to ride a Raider, the performance is outstanding, from acceleration, handling, braking & comfort with a very nice price tag. There are other bikes in this category such as the Victory Vegas Jackpot, Harley Rocker C. I'm sure there will be more. That's what makes it great, there are options. Metrics fans should not attack each other like this, haven't we had enough crap from those so called "Real Harley Bikers". Let it go fellas, different strokes for different folks.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Joel, I'm not going to get onboard the too much plastic bandwagon, but I agree with everything else you've said. I haven't had the chance to see a Fury with a 250 skin, but it's making me salivate just thinking of it.

      Yamaha Fan: I'm a journalist with three decades of experience in the international motorcycle market, and who draws millions of page views to his articles. You're a pathetic nerd who happens to be blind as well as having his taste and aesthetic values firmly ensconced next to his hemorrhoids. Have a great day! :)

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      Yamaha Fan 7 years ago

      Who the hell does this guy think he is???? The Raider is a beautiful bike. I would buy the Raider any day of the week over that Fury.

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      Joel 7 years ago

      I own a Fury, I love this bike.

      As far as you article goes You are right as far as a couple let downs fron honda. BUT, This is a prouduction bike and as far as production bikes go most, maybe 99% of them don't come with fat tires, bad ass looking air cleaners, cool looking exhausts, ect. That's why the after market motorcycle businesses make such a killing of these parts mentioned. As far as the welds on the bike go Honda will tell you they left then un cleaned to give it the "I built this in my garage look."

      I do agree the plastic needs to go. At least in some aeras.

      I will say when I am out on this bike no one can beleive it's a Honda. And for the ignorant people out there stop calling it a harly wanna be. I haven't seen harley come out with anything like it.

      There is also a 250 tire kit available for the Fury. I will be installing this in the winter. You gotta see what it does to this bike.

      All around this is the best bike for the buck at $11,500.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Bike sales are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down across the board. Plus there are exchange rate issues, etc.

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      Shadow Shack 7 years ago

      Here's some more junk science to chew on:

      Has anyone noticed since the Raider's introduction that the price of the CMX250 Rebel has gone up? In 2006 it carried a $3K MSRP, as of 2009 it had a near-$4K MSRP. Now what else could be a testament to sales of bikes that people want than a 1/3 price hike? Honda must have tripled their production to meet that kind of demand!

      See, it just doesn't work. The prices went up because bike prices increased across the board due to factory upgrade and economic reasons. Mostly economic reasons. If an increased MSRP is an indication of sales trends, there shouldn't be so many brand new leftover 2006-2008 VTX1800s available at dealerships across the country...

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Sportstourer, dude, get your nomenclature right! A GL is a tourer, a Blackbird is a sportstourer. :)

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      Blackbird 7 years ago

      Just glad I ride a Blackbird...a sweet touring bike.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Ride? dude, I estimate I've got half a million single track miles under my ample belt. Wanna get on a track and I'll race ya for pink slips? :)

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      Wingman 7 years ago

      Hal, Couldn't believe you're still out here trying to convince people you actually ride!! Good to know people like you exist outside of Congress. The unfortunate thing is that you still exist knocking good Raider sites off the first search page. No need to answer, I won't check back for months and by then more people will have noticed what I did, "you couldn't ride all you do is look a pictures", LOL. Have a good weekend with all the rest of the pedestrians. To everyone else, be safe out there and try not to run over any Hondas!!

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      I've been harping for Honda to sell their 100cc minithumper street bike here for under a grand like they do in India! If you think 4 fig bikes sell well, imagine 3 fig ones! :)

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      Shadow Shack 7 years ago

      "Has anyone notice since the Raiders introduction the price has gone up. That's because the bike sells, that's what the people want..."

      Ah, so the tanking economy and the value of the Japanese yen versus US dollar since the Raider's debut had absolutely nothing to do with it. I'm so glad that was cleared up, I can disregard everything I've read in the Business section of my daily news since then.

      Funny trend out here: bikes with four figure pricetags move while the five figured bikes stagnate in the showrooms. That may or may not tell the tale of what people WANT, but it certainly tells the tale as to what people BUY.

      BTW --- If a Raider Rider can ever bruise past me on any of my 600s in the twisties, then that Raider rider can stake a claim as to how I might need to "grow a set" (as it was so eloquently put earlier). Until then, you'll simply have to be content watching my "set" disappear past your forward view.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Do you have a reading comprehension problem, Mr. 30 years in the Master of Ceremonies biz? I even gave you a link! Go read it and find out how out of all my bikes Yamahas form most of my all time favorites. But then again, you can't argue with a Raider lover. Their choice of steed is a dead giveaway about their cranial capacity. :)

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      Dudewhoridesyamaha 7 years ago

      LOL

      There you go proving your worth again

      I am 46 with 30 years in the MC industry with a minimum of 10 years working with each of the 4 japanese brands, basically I have never worked outside this industry, I have ridden more NEW motorcycles than you have ridden motorcycles.

      I have never worked with anyone who is more in touch with riders than Yamaha and it's the opposite with Honda, it's a car company now and they are completely out of touch with the industry, I will say their engineering is outstanding, they just don't focus on what dealers need and it shows, try and find a happy Honda dealer.

      You however have 0 cred, your defense is insult not proof of superior product

      Keep looking at brochures and making ridiculous statements, you are good at it

      You bash a brand (destroys credibility) you bash those who ride Yamaha (destroys credibility)

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Try to speak like you have a brain and I'll award you brownie points.

      https://hubpages.com/autos/Hals-Ride-Along-Motorcy...

      Now... since I was riding my 37 motorcycles before you could figure out what was smelling up your diapers, you now have my permission to shut up. :)

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      Dudewhoridesyamaha 7 years ago

      Wow, Safe to say you are not motorcyclist as much as you are a Honda rider

      There's a lot of people out there who love the raider, what you are doing is telling them they are stupid for their purchase, that in itself explains your personality, try that on the street one day and see what you get

      The fact that you are looking for a 600cc Fury tells me that you have mo understanding of what a mature market is interested in, let me tell you Honda ain't burn in up the streets selling Fury's

      Ride the bike and tell me what is wrong with it, that's what riding is all about, not looking at pictures, it's riding bikes

      Raiders look good, corner good, accelerate good, have a lot of aftermarket following and have good resale, oh and they are fun to ride

      Such lopsided evaluations are what 14 year olds produce, try and speak like a motorcyclist and you will have more credibility

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Right on! :)

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      Mills 7 years ago

      The Honda wins in design hands down. I owned a Valyrie flat six and I vouch for Honda's reliability and ergonomics. Fury is on my list of bikes to get next for sure.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Did your momma have any kids that lived? :)

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      Big Jim 7 years ago

      You really have to put the two bikes next to each other to see the crappy paint job, lack of chrome and overall cheap appearance of the Fury next to the gleam of the Raider. Maybe some day you will grow up and be able to handle the Raider's 1900CC's instead of that lawnmower engine you're so goo-goo over.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      That's because he wanted fifty large over MSRP. Now put your skirt and pushup bra back on and go back to Raider town. Maybe you'll get lucky and score twenty bucks tonight. :)

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      Rice Man 7 years ago

      Finally saw my first Fury outside of the Honda dealer, it was in a resale shop, under 2000 miles and the owner of the shop said he was having a hard time getting rid of it.

      Girlie Man's Bike.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Good. I've been riding over 40 years so respect your elders. :)

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      Thermite 7 years ago

      Still on the soapbox I see. Heil to the dictator! Maybe you can gather your 130,000 people and march them to DC and actually do something to benefit society. Since this is a beauty contest, it might serve you better to compare swimsuit models in dresses. I understand your point and all, but having an axe to grind with Yamaha makes your comments really seem wishy washy. Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to RIDE my motorcycle instead of stare at it. And yes, I've been riding 30 plus years.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Raider: Great engine and drivetrain + disgusting, revolting, puke-inducing, idiotic, moronic, Rosanne Barr Butt UGLY STYLING! :)

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      Rebel 7 years ago

      I have a 2009 Raider and have 19,000 miles on it and I call it the groundhog because it will grind up HOGS and spit them out. Never once has a harley ever touched me. Much less a Fury. The 1/4 mile doesn't lie. Fury 95 in the quarter. Raider 107. Fact is fact. Go Raider. Fact not fiction. Go Raider

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Hal doesn't like it, so that means that the up to 130,000 people who read his articles each day are influenced by those opinions, and hopefully that results in diminished sales for a Yamahog that's about as attractive as a Gabourey Sidibe Brazilian. BTW... How many people do your opinions influence, Mr. Mite? :)

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      Thermite 7 years ago

      Wow, Hal doesn't like it so it's automatically a POS. It's a good thing, Hal, your opinion means nothing. Get off your soapbox already.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Raiders rule this year, but that's just 'cuz they got rid of JaMarcus Purple Drank. Those are the only things with Raider in its name that rule anything.

      You want a bottom line? The styling of the Raider sucks more than the entire Mustang Ranch.

      There! Hal Has Spoken!

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      WOW! 7 years ago

      Ooookaayy........ Did not mean 2 upset u Hal. R u good Hal Licino? Did u get it off ur chest? N e thin else u want to add? R u feelin a lil better? Breathe.... Breathe.... In...... Out..... Ok, blood pressure should be a lil better. Baited u and u fell right in, Ha! Ha! Honda must be hookin u up. 1 more thin, wankers? Really? WOW!....................RAIDER RULES! Ha! Ha!:)

      P.S. Stop bein so sensitive.:)

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Tell you wot, bozo. You go to Honda, get them to give you my paycheck and I'll split it with ya. :)

      Oh, and as some time has elapsed since I wrote this Hub, I would like to state that the more I've looked at the Raider...

      THE UGLIER IT IS.

      The Raider is an abomination. Stylistically, it is a misbegotten, misguided, butt-ugly POS which appeals only to brain-damaged 13 year old wankers with nude posters of Joan Rivers on their walls. Any socially conscious Raider riders should cover up their bikes with tarps so that they don't violate the eyes of passers-by. The best thing that any Raider rider can do is remove the drivetrain and frame to use as the base for a righteous chopper and recycle the rest of the frightful junk. I'm sure a metal dealer will give you $10 for it.

      There! Have a nice day Raider fools! :)

      P.S. I think this comment so aptly sums up the Raider, I'm editing the Hub to add it. :)

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      WOW! 7 years ago

      Looks like HAL Licino is on Honda's payroll. I have yet to see the great Fury on the road.

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      Raider 7 years ago

      Yeah OK.......TJ. You can take your Parallel-twin and park it in the back. We are talking V-Twins. Your out of your league. Triumph, really..... Ha! Ha! Thanks TJ, I needed that laugh. Just don't park the Thunderparakeet next to the Raider, your feelings might get hurt.

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      Tommy Blue 7 years ago

      Saw the Fury up close. I think it said PowerWheels on it. Lose the shaft, needs more power, needs bigger motor, a wider rear tire and less plastic.

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      Jim 7 years ago

      I bought a 09 raider. every time i ride it. i fall back in love with it. its just awesome. the power, the handling, comfort. its just sweet. last week i took it on a day trip of 670 miles. not one problem. i ran 80 to 85 mph and still got 42mpg. engine is so smooth. almost no vibration. I also like the exhaust. its different then any other bike out there.

      another thing is that i have never seen a fury on the road. the only fury i have seen was in the showroom about 20 feet from the raider i bought. i have seen several raiders on the road. the dealer has hd, yamaha and honda.

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      TJ 7 years ago

      I'll take a Triumph Thunderbird over the Yamaha or Honda every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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      Kerry 7 years ago

      Bought an '08 Raider with 700 miles on it. 350 of those were put on by me, "test" riding my friend's bike. Prior to that I had hardly even ridden a motorcycle and my most recent experience was 25 year prior. After my first ride I licked the handlebars and made it mine.

      I parked it at the end of last year with 7000 miles on.

      This past weekend it rolled over 10,000 miles.

      I took it to Memphis and back (Oshkosh, WI) in 5 days, 2137 miles, wicked heat, wicked speed, wicked back roads, and the last day on the road (nearly 500 miles) in wicked rain and lightening. Climbed off the bike at my house and the bike, filthy and wet, still looked great. The next morning I was ready to go again.

      I cannot ride this bike without getting compliments. From everyone.

      Thanks for the Raider, may I have another?

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      Aber 7 years ago

      My sentence structure on the other hand merits disdain and is also incomprehensible. Let me start over...

      Hal, you've got issues. Both bikes are great but your disdain for the Raider is incomprehensible.

      Better?

      There are no motorcycles that I've looked down upon the way you look down on the Raider. Riders are a different story... Snobbery is common with BMW and Gold Wing riders but I see it stretches into cruiser-land as well.

      Do you get paid by Honda?

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      Aber 7 years ago

      Hal, you've got issues. Both bikes are great but you disdain the Raider is incomprehensible

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      Nick Reynolds 7 years ago

      That fury looks like something that crawled out of a bad '70's movie. It looks like hell. Wheras the Raider rocks.

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      Panty_raider 7 years ago

      Bought a raider. Agree from direct side on it isn't the prettiest bike, but look at it from the rear, or 30 degrees off and it looks stunning. Have yet to park it or fill it up without getting compliments, so guess I'm not the only one that likes it in the flesh.

      I had been tempted by the fury, and it's new stablemates the sabre - but went with the Raider because Yamaha dealers will actually let you test drive them. I cannot believe Honda expect folks to drop 13k without a test ride! Once you ride the raider you get hooked, so much better than anything else I have tried.

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      Mike 7 years ago

      I own an 09' yamaha raider and love it,. That wanna be chopper of hondas has a wimpy little kid bike engine, horrible lines and just overall a piece of crap. was of engineering and money for honda.

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      Drew 7 years ago

      You know what, Looks ain't everything, It's not what you start with, It's what you finish with to me.

      The Fury looks great, i'm not going to lie, I like the look of it But hate the pipes. That's the first thing to go on a bike anyway so take them out and the bike looks boring.

      I came from riding an R6 and wanted something more comfortable but that still gave me the performance. Hands down this is the raider.

      I threw on some Vance and Hines 2 into 2 and away I sped. Chop off the dumb Tail, add a side mount plate and you have a gorgeous machine. I'm putting an Avon 240 (can fit a 250) just to give me a little more traction cause I don't like it when I hit the gas and the 120 LBS of torque spin my rear tire!

      It's one mean and comfortable machine. That's the end and it'll literally drive circles around the Fury from overall power to overall handling.

      I guess this comes down to putting a body kit on your honda civic, or yanking out the old 1988 Mustang 5.0.

      Once you make it your own, there's no comparison.

      http://www.roadstarraider.com/gallery/1280_20_05_1...

      http://www.roadstarraider.com/gallery/1280_19_05_1...

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      Kevin 7 years ago

      This site sounds like a Honda plug more than anything else. Yes the Honda looks nice, and we're all sure the engine's "bulletproof," etc. So the review is OK, but just OK, up to that point. But the Yamaha is totally trashed, and trashed with "colorful," hyperbolic verbal insults rather than any real analysis. Other reviews of this review have addressed the Yamaha'a awards and fine points, so I'll just add this: I was in a Yamaha shop this week (disclosure: I ride a Yamaha Silverado), and I sat on (did not ride) the Raider. I couldn't believe how comfortable the seat was: BETTER, much better, than the very good custom Mustang seat I have on my Silverado. The ergonomics felt terrific, the risers were first class, again while sitting, not riding, and esp. not riding for hours, so I can't speak to the all-day effect. Still, I'm 6'2'' and it felt very good, even w/o floorboards, maybe because it doesn't have floorboards? I'm not sure. And it was a beautiful blue, and I thought it looked great. I'd want to ride it to test the steering, what with all that rake (39 degrees), but I hear they've compensated for it somehow; not with an inverted triple tree like HD uses on their tourers, but some other way. Well, there you have it. And the only reason I'm here, on a Monday on the Internet, is that I wanted to check out reviews of the Raider that I sat on this weekend, I was that impressed.

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      Ben 7 years ago

      I think it's interesting to compare the bikes on an aesthetic base only. I like them both (but have an '09 Raider). Admittedly, I didn't have much of a chance to see the Fury in person until about a month after buying the Raider, but I'd have made the same decision.

      I like the lines on the Raider. It isn't a chopper, though... neither of these are. The Fury looks chopper-esque, but the Raider looks more like a power cruiser (which is a much better word for it). I understand that the bikes are competing for overlapping demographics, but they are in two different veins.

      The Fury has a mildly futuristic/OCC look to it. Very clean. Looks like a nice bike to take on the local cruise strip. I won't comment on ride, as I have not ridden one, though I didn't like the feel when I sat on it. You don't notice from the pictures above, but it's a low bike. That might be a perk or a complaint. For me it's not a perk, but a lot of people like that (I'm 6'1" and 170 lb., so short bikes just don't feel right). It's like close the fitting front fender; I don't like that look, but a lot (and I mean a whole lot) of people do that to their bikes, so who's to say it's not a good look?

      The Raider, on the other hand, is a power cruiser, in the same vein as the V-Rod, the M109, and the granddaddy-of-them-all, the V-Max. Now mentioning the V-Max will probably provoke a whole diatribe regarding its looks, but that's not the point. This is: These bikes are more substancial than choppers. And that's not just a comment on power/performance. They look more substancial. The Raider looks aggressive. I parked mine next to my step-dad's 1450 Dyna Wide Glide, which has similar lines. The Raider LOOKS meaner (I'm emphasizing that to avoid flak about this being an aesthetic argument), and it is meaner.

      I really do appreciate both bikes' looks. I just go for power cruisers more than choppers. I think that's the cause of a lot of the difference of opinions in this feed. You don't have to argue about what a chopper should be, as neither of them truly is, (and only one even tries to be). One of the Fury's accolades is that it is the only thing that fits that style, coming from the big manufacturers. You have to give Honda props for that, though it would've been interesting to see the sales numbers, had they struck when the iron was hot during the OCC craze.

      The Fury looks like a fun bike to be seen on, while the Raider looks like a fun bike to ride, (insert obligatory fat chick joke here,) and still looks good doing it. And that's with out getting into any power figures, or arguments about what's considered "adequate performance."

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      AkaMadcow 7 years ago

      @ Steve's comment "amused by your obsession with such a feminine looking bike like the Fury."

      What's your obsession with things that look manly?

      LOL! I like my bike the way I like my women. Sexy and aggressive! I do not want to be riding a oversized man between my legs. Give me a sexy bike that lays down when I tell it to and gets up on it when I grab it hard.

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      AkaMadcow 7 years ago

      The Fury is very attractive and so is the Raider in my opinion but they both look like crap compared to modern sport bikes :) My O5 R6 looks better than both of these bikes. Even though I have less than half the displacement of the fury and a 3rd of the raider my bike will blow both there doors off the hinges. Choppers look cool in there own way but sport bikes are down right sexy! The perfect blend of form and function and if your not fat or out of shape they are far more comfortable.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Ya, well I have a hard time looking at you and thinking that anyone would actually marry you. :)

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      Ronmc1 7 years ago

      The Fury is a nice bike all the styleing a girl could want? I wanted to buy the wife a raider but she sed it looks to much like a guys bike. go figure now I have a hard time looking at the fury without thinking chick bike

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      red_raider08: I'm sounding like a broken record: The Fury is overpriced but looks like Megan Fox next to the Raider's Susan Boyle. I'm not biased, you're blind.

      steve: Yeah, I'm enjoying the Fury as it's great, and I've already ridden your wife and she was pretty good too. (HEY, it was too easy a shot to miss out on!) :)

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      steve 7 years ago

      Hey Hal, I'm trying to get the point here. I stumbled upon this site accidently while looking for some accessories for my Raider and became amused by your obsession with such a feminine looking bike like the Fury. If, as you say, you are really an old school experienced biker, then you puzzle me. because I find it difficult to believe that any real biker would embarrass himself by espousing the "beauty" of a bike that is so thoroughly outclassed. One ride on each of these machines would immediately tell anyone that they are light years apart. Anyway, enjoy your Fury, maybe you and my wife can go riding together sometime.

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      red_raider08 7 years ago

      What an amusing article. The very fact that Honda knocked off another VTX engine and wrapped it around the bike was a nice attempt. But if you are going to compare something don't make it based soley on style. The Fury is not even in the same class no matter how hard Honda tried. It's a tired attempt to swell this niche' market. The price is way to high (another problem with Honda) they are way to proud of thier engineering. The Raider is within the same prices point giving Honda a few hundred dollars. But given 600CC more, air cooled which is true VTwin engineering. This article is a Joke. The Raider IS faster, IS better looking and I only slowed down enough to look at a Fury to verify in my own mind, I would never waste my money on one. Funny my local dealership deals both Honda and Yamaha. They can't keep the Raider on the floor, yet the same two Fury's have been on the floor for over 8 months now.

      Ah well, another confused author with mis-directed biased opinions. But then again, this banter is the same.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      This is an aesthetic analysis only. You're not going to do a performance comparison between one bike and another when there's a 600 cc displacement difference, that's completely stupid.

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      Sam 7 years ago

      First the styling is nice,thats all. The Raider performs way over the Fury. How come no one has made a performance compare Fury and Raider? Seams like most people preffered the Fury cause is preatty, how about that sissy shaft on the right? How about HP & Tourque.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      I just think it's overpriced, that's the biggest problem with it! :)

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      Motor leathers 7 years ago

      Nice hub! I understand that Honda Fury is not ideal but I like it.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Again, agreed on the waaaaaaaay high price on the Fury. Again, disagreed on the looks of the Raider! Ride on, dude! :)

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      OhioRaider 7 years ago

      I have owned my Raider since Aug 2008 and WOW, it is still the best bike I have ever been on. The looks to me are also awsome except for the pipes. The pipes didn't matter because those are always the first to go on any bike! The Fury is a nice bike but to me it just comes up short in many ways. It looks like a chick bike. The Fury has an msrp of 13k!!!! Too much money for to little of a bike.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Wow. YOU have spoken! I am SO sorry. I should have conferred with you to get your royal blessing before I got out of bed this morning... SHEESH! :P

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      About 10 years to late 7 years ago

      These custom stretch type chopper bikes peaked a few years ago and are on the way out. People seem to be going with either a standard v-twin cruiser or an old school style cruiser.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Ha ha... good one. Even though you're a Raider lover, you've got a good sense of humor so I'll give you props on that, at least! :)

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      Dsmith 7 years ago

      I always seem to get back to this page for some reason. I was a Harley owner who got pulled away by Yamaha with the Raider. Then Honda came out with the Fury and I had to trade the Raider in on it. The Honda dealer only gave me %6000 for the Raider but I didn't care. The Fury is far superior to the Raider hands down. I like all the plastic. It helps with the cornering ability. The thing that actually drew me to the Fury was the smaller engine. The Raider had way too much HP for me. I never felt I needed more with the Yamaha, or with the Fury, it just seemed like a waste. The Raider was too much bike for the $. The Honda is pretty much just shy of not enough for the $.

      In case you haven't figured it out I do not own a Fury. My 2008 Raider is still with me and I love it. I just wanted to get in on the conversation. The getting rid of a Harley to buy the Raider is true though.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Tech13: Fury rules!

      Raider Rider: Zzzzzzzzz... Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... oh, is there a fly in here? Here... let me SWAT it. :P

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      Raider Rider 7 years ago

      A Fury 600 for $4995?......... What?! First off, that would be good for beginner riders & when they get tired of the power, they'll trade up, wanting more. It always happens. There will be a long list of Honda 600 Furys for sale in the want ads. My first bike was a Honda Shadow, nice bike for beginners, very easy to ride but wanted more. It will be good for Honda sales. Raiders are awesome motorcycles, great power, great handling, very comfortable. These caliber of motorcycles are not for everyone & if you are concerned with the massive power stick to the Vespa. Different strokes......... Has anyone notice since the Raiders introduction the price has gone up. That's because the bike sells, that's what the people want... What real riders want. Sorry Shaddy Shacky & Hally Sally Licino, grow a set!

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      Tech13 7 years ago

      Hells yeah honda is teh best. ive owned two honda bikes so far and I'm looking into getting a fury my self.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      No it's made of uglitanium. I'd rather push a moped than have a warehouse full of Raiders.

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      clawbrant 7 years ago

      Leave it to Honda to make the most generic chopper ever. At least the Raider isn't made of plastic.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      How stupid are you 19D? You keep taunting and then putting expletives I can't publish in your comments, so I have to delete them. Do you have any brain cells that fire? Or if you had another brain cell it would be lonely? MORON! Complete waste of protoplasm. I'm embarrassed to have the same number of chromosomes as you, although you're likely a mutant anyway. Merry Xmas! :)

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      You are not only blind and stupid but an idiot to boot. I've clearly stated the number of bikes I've owned and even had a hub on it. The two racing superbikes were privateers but held in partnership and two of my bikes were registered in my wife's name. Now go away and play with your little dingaling. :)

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      19D 7 years ago

      The only ugly motorcycle is the useless one. Like the fury. But you would know that mr owner of 33... Or is ot 37? you cant remember. Scared to let out the truth, liar? Or havent came up with a good enough insult to my manhood yet? All fun and games for you to into insult people but can't take it yourself?

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Shadow Shack! Finally an intelligent, erudite, motorcycle enthusiast. I respect and appreciate your comments!

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      Shadow Shack 7 years ago

      P.S. Hal said "Now if Honda were to produce a Fury 600 at $4995, they'd have a real winner on their hands"

      They did. It was the VT600 Shadow VLX, 1988-2007

      Very cheap and easy to modify if the stock rake isn't enough.

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      Shadow Shack 7 years ago

      The post 9/11 foreign contributions list IS MOST DEFINITELY SPAM. The truth is, much to the surprise and discontent of the "Ride/drive American" camp (who obviously must have mid-1980s or earlier vehicles since everything after that has enough foreign content to warrant the loss of the coveted Made in USA label), the North American offices for all of those companies donated funds in league with the American marks.

      But back to the article and resulting comments relating to it. As far as what folks are claiming a chopper has to be (re: liquid vs air cooled, chain vs shaft, open primary, whatever)...well, bone up on the history of choppers and bobbers. For starters, a chopper begins life as a stock bike. What kind of stock bike is irrelevant. That makes the Raider, Fury, Rocker, Big Dog, etc factory customs, so what a chopper "has to be" becomes a moot point.

      Even so, the factory customs also have no ruleset (re: engine and final drive configurations or any other requirement one may see fit to offer). If Honda was to offer a bobber-styled Gold Wing, it would be a factory custom, just like the Rune was a factory custom.

      But the Fury vs Raider comparo? I think the Fury nails the look best of the current crop of factory chopper-esque customs, despite the shaft drive (I just prefer the efficiency of the chain or belt) and the 80s styled wheels and pipes. At least the shaft looks good though, instead of the usual starboard void that everyone avoids snapping pictures with other shaft drive bikes (any configuration of 1500/1600 Vulcan or 1100 Shadow comes to mind).

      Which one would I want? None of the above. I prefer the smaller displacement bikes (as in under a liter). Add to that I can (and did, several times) belt out a true chopper on that platform for a fraction of the Fury's cost.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Y'know, your little kindergarten wannabe ankle biter mob is really starting to make me yawn. From now on, say something of value that adds to the discussion either pro or con, or I'll just start a deletion party.

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      Ntoxiktd1 7 years ago

      All I have to say is ...LINE EM UP...FROM TRAFFIC LITE TO THE STATE LINE, CALL IT WHAT U WANT BUT THAT RAIDER WILL TARE THAT HONDA'S ASS UP!!!!!!!!!

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      RavenRaider 7 years ago

      Hal, your right, the repetitive comments on the plastic are getting really boring. But, that is the Fury.......BORING

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      David S. 7 years ago

      Enough already. If Hal prefers a little pocket bike over a SUPERBIKE (Raider), what's wrong with that? To each their own. 95% of the folks in here know better and disagree with him. Facts and figures only confuse him as he goes off on another name calling rant. He reminds me of Obama offended by Fox News facts. OK, Hal, start squeeling.

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      thoughtful harley rider 7 years ago

      I love how my comment which quoted you being a total jerk to some one without proper reason got deleted. You just can't stand to lose can ya?

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Plastic, plastic, plastic... all these repetitious stupidities about plastic are getting boring...

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      jerry adkins 7 years ago

      Hal The only thing uglier than that futile Fury is another

      Fury. It reminds me of a plastic play toy that any kid

      under 8 years old would tire of very quickly. The handle

      bars look like a couple of bent golf clubs tossed in anger

      after your scorecard was triple digits. A stolen drawing

      from the dumpster behind OCC thrown away by Mikey was the

      Honda answer to the RAIDER S. The ride I would imagine would

      be like riding a moped with bent fork tube. Harley had to

      drop that ugly ass Buel.Scrap the Fury for redesigned VTX and avoid a bunch of NO SALES.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      can't believe: Sir, the pleasure is all mine. Now go make a nitroglycerin milkshake. :)

      LOL: Yeah, and you have a bad ass that stretches clear to your forehead. :)

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      LOL 7 years ago

      I entered a dealer which sells both honda & Yamaha, I asked the salesman how he liked the Fury, he said it is alright, but why would you want that when you can have the Raider. I told him that I was just curious, and that I own a Raider S. If Playskool were to make a honda, it would be a Fury. My kitchen cabinet has less tupperware (plastic) than the Fury. Honda, A effort, F for execution..... sorry. Hey, idea... maybe Fisher Price can put the Fury in there Power Wheels catalog. Ha! Ha! If your gonna make a chopper like bike, make sure it has power, belt, bigger rear tire & less plastic. Remember bad ass boys ride bad ass toys!

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      can't believe 7 years ago

      Thanks, as to my last note. It's a pleasure knowing that I got a response from you!

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      You know what I "Can't Believe"? I can't believe that you have the sheer unmitigated gall to lecture me when you write like an 11 year old refugee from grammar school. Go get educated and then maybe your opinions will carry weight. Right now you just sound like a moron.

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      Can't beleive 7 years ago

      I have never seen this page or forum, and never responded to anything like this, but after reading it I can't beleive the hole thing. As far as the comments on the honda, it seems as though you may be the one who is not open minded and a 13 year old buzzed on ritalin and meth. The honda looks ok if you are a child and do not know what a bike looks like, and it's performance, I can't speek about, never rode one. Realy man, it looks like one of those bikes you get from a discount tool store. (and I like honda)Just looking at the raider you can see its high quality and once you ride it you know! I've owned many bikes and am happy to be on two wheels in the wind! I wonder if this is realy a adult site or a video game page. How old you are doesn't matter, if you are a true biker and not a week warrier you know a good bike no matter who makes it! Try to grow up and write a respectable article that people will take serious.

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      Hal Licino 7 years ago from Toronto

      Dude, let me correct your first sentence. What you really meant to say is:

      I'm Roadstar Ray, I have a small shaft and I'm damn ugly. And so is the Raider demo that once the Yamaha dealership manager finds out I've been riding for a month is gonna fire my ass and I'll have to find a job cleaning someone else's toilets. :)

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      Roadstar Ray 7 years ago

      Honda has a small engine, shaft drive, liquid cooled and its dam ugly. Everything you dont need to make a cool bike Honda has it. Ride a raider and youll realize what a great bike it is, I rode one for a month as a demo bike and let me tell you that bike rocks. I wasted evry Harley out there and this was a bone stock Raider. No wonder Yamaha has the over 50 percent of the market share when it comes to Metric cruisers. By the way I have yet to see any Furys on the road, must not be a good seller.

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      Well, dude, I guess you're even older than me and blind so that justifies your statements about you loving the styling. As for superbike riding, how does a 1:40:12 (4 seconds off the track record) on Rome's Autodromo Vallelunga on an MV Agusta F4 1000 Ago suit you? Or do you need 1 minute and 40 seconds just to properly fasten your Depends? :)

      I just love it when morons come onto my Hubs and not only don't know what the fork they're talking about, but also try to build up their own pathetic little nothing lives and egos inflated by wet dreams by painting me as some sort of junior pit bike rider. Yeah, David, I MEAN YOU! Take a hike, idiot!

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      David S. 8 years ago

      I think we should all stop confusing Hal with facts and figures. If he has something against the Raider, fine. Not everyone can handle a SUPERBIKE. Or maybe his age cought up with him and he wants to throttle back a little; to each his own. But like I've said in the past, I've had Harleys and several Jap bikes, but the Raider I have now simple tops all prior two wheelers. In the Summer of 08' I was all ready to get a new Harley Superglide Custom. I was 58 then and figured this would be my last bike. I just happened into a Yamaha dealership to look around and WOW, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? It was the Raider S. So, having an OPEN MIND, I did a little research and soon realized what made sense. No buyers remorse here. The styling, handling, POWER, reliability, cost, it's got it all. And I just love blasting past every other two-wheeler on the road. Love it, but that's me. One good article pretty much says it all, check it out if you can stand the facts. http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/mainstream-ch...

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      I've owned 37 bikes. Want me to list them?

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      RavenRaider 8 years ago

      Hal, just out of curiousity, (other than 50cc mopeds) what do you ride anyways? Like I said before I have rode Hondas for years, maybe we can agree on something???

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      RavenRaider... uhuh...

      JudgementDay: My "friend" wasn't a staffer. HE ORIGINATED THE MAGAZINE. Joe Parkhurst was one of the primary pioneers of the motorcycle magazine format. Unfortunately since his departure the lunatics have taken over the asylum. Which is where you belong if you think the Raider is attractive! :)

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      JudgementDay 8 years ago

      You don't have to defend a good product, That's why I went with a nother Yamaha. He can rant and stomp his feet all day long, but the reviews on the Raider should speak for themselves and his defense is that a magazine went to crap because his friend left (who obviously would be biased on his account). I don't know about anyone else, but its a weak argument. Not knocking the Fury as it is a good looking bike, but I opted for the good looking bike with fortitude.

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      RavenRaider 8 years ago

      Well Hal, I am sorry to have been so honest with my "story". Swallow it, I don't make $h!t up!!!!!!!!!

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      Hal Licino 8 years ago from Toronto

      golpwr8r: Yes. I win. I always win. You know why? Because I'm right and the nincompoops who come onto my Hubs to prove I'm wrong are just that... nincompoops. :)

      Rakster: Dude, I aint now nor never going to publish any comment which:

      a) Includes words that are not suitable for the family friendly standards of HubPages

      and

      b) Involve threats to me personally. I just had some moron on this Hub a couple of days ago state that he wanted to hit me in the face with a hammer and then rub his penis all over my bleeding face. I'm not going to encourage his sick SM homosexual fantasies.

      So keep it clean & legit or end up in the electronic trash bin! :)

      RavenRaider: Did you know that I was out riding my 50cc moped when I passed a guy in a Maybach 62 that was stuck on the side of the road and wouldn't start. He told me he'd give me the keys and ownership to the car if he could take my moped to the meeting he was going to be late to. So I got the car, sold it, bought a house and now I've got my face in a big pile of coke and I have a hot blonde ho waiting to do me.

      Don't believe me? Well, I can make up stupid stories all day long... just like you do! :)

      P.S. Cycle World hasn't had a decent writer who knows the difference between a crankshaft and their own cranks in their undies since my good old friend Joe Parkhurst left. And you can call them up and tell them I said so.

      NickB: Again, I don't want to argue that the Raider is not a COMPETENT motorcycle. I've stated earlier that I adore and lust after its Road / Wild Star roots. But aesthetically... yes... it IS the zit on the butt of the half ton woman!

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      Nick B 8 years ago from Normandy, France

      Actually, I quite like the Yam.

      It's reminiscent of a tribal design and isn't unpleasant to look at.

      However, that's where the likes disappear for me - on both counts.

      I want a cruiser for comfort, not solely for looks. The comfortable seats seem to have been thrown away on both for thinner, less accommodating 'pads' that I can't see being comfortable on the long run. If I wanted function over comfort, I would buy a sports bike.

      The appearance of both is head-turning, though I think the Honda has the edge. However, Yamaha don't seem to want to export to Europe and that's a shame.

      For some reason, they seem to think the Dragstar is popular to the point that the Raider isn't going to figure, yet I disagree.

      Nevertheless, I think I will be going for something that has about it, a little more comfort rather than out and out style.