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Don't go to business school

Updated on March 26, 2010

Instead of getting an MBA, consider spending six months in my office (the original program, from 2008/09)

THE PROGRAM IS OVER. What an amazing group of people came and learned and made a difference. Thank you.

Six intense months working with a few other amazing people (and me.)

There are plenty of reasons to get an MBA, especially in a down economy. I'm not sure exactly what they are, though. A typical MBA might take two years out of your life and cost you more than $150,000 in tuition and opportunity cost.

On this page, I'd like to invite you to consider (and apply for) something very different.

First, I'll describe what's in it for you, then I'll explain how to apply. Please read all the instructions before hitting the send button. Thanks for checking this out. Please don't hesitate to forward this page to someone who might enjoy it.

If you're stuck in a dead end job in publishing, or if you made a not-so-great choice in getting your career started, or if you thought Wall Street would be a different place, or if you just got laid off, or if you're not crazy about fretting away the next six months waiting to get fired and you're not quite ready to start your own gig... this might be the turbolift you were hoping for. Yes, it's free.

It's a chance to get off that track and onto a new track, faster and cheaper than most of the alternatives. And it might even be fun.

[The rest of this page has various details about the program, so I don't have to answer the same questions again and again. It also has a bit of encouragement to it, since I realize it's a very big deal for you to drop everything to do this. It's also a big deal on my end, so hopefully it'll all work out.]

Three things you need from an MBA-like experience:

1. Education.

2. Experience.

3. Scarcity.

Some people would add (4. Connections) but I think those are overrated.

Here's the program I'm interested in creating:

One hour a day of class/dialogue

Four hours a day of working on my projects

Three hours a day of working on your personal project

Five hours a day of living, noticing, doing and connecting

At the end of the six months, it's quite likely that I'll ask one or more people to stay on. Everyone will get a letter of reference and a certificate worth framing. I think it'll be pretty scarce.

The program I'd like to do is not an internship. You don't get paid, you don't do scut work, you are not on your own. This is guided quest, one that delivers value to you (from the learning and the doing) and to me (from the teaching and from the work you'll produce.)

It's not for everyone. If it were, it wouldn't be worth much.

Boundaries that won't change

Sorry.

You have to find a place to stay that allows an easy commute to my office outside of NY (zip code 10706). We are three blocks from the train station, which is 40 minutes from Grand Central Station.

You have to speak perfect English.

You can't smoke.

You have to be both nice and smart, with an impeccable list of references.

I don't care a bit about how old you are or particularly what your business background is. I care a lot about what you've done and even better, how you've done it.

[Update: many people have asked about telecommuting or creating digital versions of this. I have no doubt that could be fun and perhaps effective, but it's not this. What I'm offering is a real world, face to face experience. Perhaps another time we'll do a digital thing.]

How to apply

Please read this part

The program starts January 19, 2009, which is quite soon. I need your application by December 14th. Please don't send it in late, because I'll just ignore it. I hate being late.

I'm looking for people who are brilliant, charismatic, on a mission, moving fast, filled with passion and empathy and want to do something worth doing. It's fine with me if you can't use a spreadsheet (yet) but not okay if you have no desire to learn what you don't know.

You get no credit for a clever application. The goal isn't to be creative in applying, it's to have a life that's shown creativity and insight already. (Please avoid photoshopping my picture and there's no need to do spec web research on me or any of my projects.)

You can apply digitally or by mail. Please don't ask anyone to email me on your behalf, and please don't come up with obnoxious or even creative ways to interrupt my day!

To submit a digital application, build a Squidoo lens that answers the questions below and email me the URL. It's fine with me if your lens points to pdf files, blogs or other digital media. It's fine with me if you want to invite your friends to post comments on your Squidoo page. If you want information to be private, include it in a pdf and email it to me. My address is seth [at] squidoo.com. I am most impressed by true stories of full responsibility as well as compelling references from trusted sources.

To submit a non-returnable physical application, mail it to me at Box 305, Irvington, NY 10533. If you're going to mail it in, please enclose a check or money order for $20 payable to the Acumen Fund, a charity I support. This is to encourage you to be digital.

No matter what, I need to see what your digital footprint looks like, so be sure to include links or screenshots or whatnot. Especially whatnot.

Here's my promise: if you spend the time to apply, I'll spend the time to get back to you by email to let you know that I got your application, and then again to let you know what I decided. I'm afraid that I can't have a dialogue with every applicant, though.

The questions!

  • What do you do now?
  • Why do you do it?
  • What are you hoping to learn?
  • After you learn it, what are you going to do with it?
  • Tell me a true story about making a change in the world.
  • Have you overcome a Dip?
  • What astonishing thing did you do before you did what you do now.
  • Make a wish.
  • What else should I know?

Best way to have a secret advantage when you apply

In your application, provide insight as to how many other people you told about this opportunity and how many other great people you persuaded to apply.

Your ability to organize, your willingness to share (even if it doesn't help your odds) and your kindness in spreading the word are exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for.

And here's the real point: if I don't find enough world-changing people, I have to cancel the entire program before it starts. So, believe in yourself... help me find the other people who will join you here.

The problem with laissez faire

In running internships, I've tried to take a hands off approach. "Here," I say, "this is the goal, these are the tools, shout if you need me." The idea is that people with motivation ought to be able to push themselves if they just have the opportunity.

I've discovered that this doesn't work nearly as well as I'd like. It's simple: if it were easy to change, people would do it. It's the pushing and the coaching and the daily expectations that help the change occur.

So that's my obligation this time around. To create enough expectation and support that you actually achieve what you set out to do. It's a lot more work for me (sort of scary, actually) but I'm willing to try. Which raises expectations/effort for you (a lot).

More specifics

My goal is to focus the group on practical applications in the following areas:

design

analytics

strategy

marketing

sales

leadership

community development and coordination

technology (as a user, not a creator)

bravery

clarity

presentation skills

I expect to spend zero time talking about the stock market, industrial engineering or large-scale finance. Very little accounting as well.

I would imagine that this sojourn will be very valuable to:

entrepreneurs

people hoping to move to the social or non-profit sector

change agents within corporations

musicians and other self-managed craftspeople

community organizers

middle managers seeking more influence and authority

investors

journalists

salespeople and business development folks

We're going to read books, have discussions but most of all, do stuff. Do it, complete it, push it through the Dip.

Informational conference call

YOU CAN HEAR THE RECORDING!

Visit this blog and you'll find the file.

http://sethgodin.typepad.com/details_about_alterna...

Please come to an info session in my office

But you must apply by 12/14/08

I'll review your application and possibly invite you to a group info session to be held at my office at 8 am on December sixteenth (it's optional). By doing it at 8, you can still get to wherever you're supposed to be that day without being too late.

I'm going to interview all the finalists and this will give you a leg up and let you know what you may or may not be in for. I hope to be able to invite you and I hope you can come.

Note! This means that if you live in another land and are hoping to sojourn in New York during the six months, you're going to have to be willing to fly here for an interview on spec. I know that is wildly inconvenient, but that's the deal.

Fair trade?

Should I pay people who do this? After all, the projects we're doing together are things I'm working on, things that might turn a profit.

On the other hand, should you pay a lot to do this? After all, it's an education and the group and I are helping you develop your skills and ideas--something you'd have a hard time buying at any price. It's a huge time commitment for me (and you.)

I can't figure out the right balance between the two, so I decided to make it simple. Free.

Some fine print

I reserve the right to cancel the program for any reason before January 1. All participants (including me) will sign an NDA and work for hire agreement. College degree helpful but not required. This is not an accredited program (what a surprise). Not responsible for unclaimed dry cleaning.

You supply books, laptops and lunch. No bacon. Sometimes I'll cook lunch and you can pretend it's delicious.

Key dates

  • Deadline for applications: December 14, 2008
  • Open house in my office by invitation only: December 16.
  • Start date: January 19, 2009

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      noeloco 4 years ago

      When are you having another round of this program Seth?

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      HomeDecorKnight 4 years ago

      Really this is a great idea to be success in life. Thanks for sharing an alternative idea of MBA. I like this informative lens.

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      autorespondernewsbrief 5 years ago

      Ahh, the great hands on and experience of doing.

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      jasonleerogers 5 years ago

      Is there any other program out there like this?

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      janecamron 5 years ago

      It's a great lens on MBA. I am looking to get an mba UK

      degree online and that is why I looking to gather as much info. Thanks

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      anonymous 6 years ago

      I went to business school and must say it was not worth the student debt!!! Im also building a site Drinking how much is too much which is really useful for drinkers.

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      sarasentor lm 6 years ago

      Good idea about alternate of MBA, thanks for sharing such a useful stuff.

      Online Schools

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      MBA-Alternatives 6 years ago

      I'm sure the people who were chosen got the experience of a lifetime. There are MBA alternatives available online from very credible schools. If for any reason you choose not to pursue an MBA try an alternative.

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      mbainaccounting 6 years ago

      A Very Nice Article. It really me Find the best schools offering MBA Accounting Schools

      MBA In Accounting

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      dougadam 7 years ago

      Thanks for the informative lens

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      developdm 7 years ago

      As project management might be not a very much effortless job. We require to study about project management before going final action. It one is a nice lens about project management.

      Thanks.

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      lallymba 7 years ago

      I read a few topics. I respect your work and added blog to favorites.

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      AussiePublisher 7 years ago

      This is cool and practical which is very helpful to people like myself. This plus aussie publisher mind power books will help me to success.

      Thanks for this cool info.

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      skstewart 7 years ago

      I just read this for the first time. I'm interested in how it worked out - the good and not-so-good. Will you do it again? What would you change?

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      Ariel100 7 years ago

      Super lens, so true, an MBA has nothing on actual, honest to goodness experience. I'd rather send my child on a summer with a salesman, working every single day to learn business than some of the management schools out there. With my experience with credit card processing and ebusiness, success doesn't come from a degree, that's for sure.

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      DrMcDougall 7 years ago

      Excellent Idea - would love to see the results, projects, lessons, case studies, etc. from this, as I teach business classes and am always looking for new and refreshing ways to present and apply the material, and this would definitely qualify - and if you ever do this again, would love to be considered - thank you for your time!

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      adrianmanzano 8 years ago

      SETH, you gotta do this again!

      how about an entreprenuerial challenge for those of us living in NYC?

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      etftrendtrading 8 years ago

      Top lens! This is a great idea much better idea than getting the regular MBA by a long shot. I would have love to have added my application...

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      gustavomurillo 8 years ago

      i just graduate from BM last week , i hope that the next semestre would be available this oportunity, i sad because its too late !!

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      tangotx 8 years ago

      I found out about this via Seth's blog posting today. This is a very interesting idea, but something bothered me. What's going on with the "You have to speak perfect English" requirement? Is there some intelligence gauge based on someone's accent? In my mind, somebody that even has an accent will not qualify since perfect English is "perfect" English. I guess I just lost some respect for Seth - unless I hear a very good reason for the exclusion. Ciao.

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      pyngthyngs 8 years ago

      I'm not sure how I missed this last year. I'd love to hear any experiences/lessons learned from the experiment.

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      ViralJobSearch 8 years ago

      In all of my experience in helping people Get a Job , having an MBA does not even come close to 5-7 years of work related experience in the real world. I am sure that Seth's office provides great training. I wish this was still open, I am too late!

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      DancingWinds 8 years ago

      Hey MBA squids. How are you doing?It took me 7 years to finish my masters degree in continuous learning online 1996-2004. My doctor told me it was a miracle. I persevered when my body was busted & in bed for 4 years between hospital nightmares. I was determined to finish it. Some days I screamed in agony, others my brain kept firing electric bolts everywhere, then suitcase siezures. I blacked out for hours, even days without end or memory. Zip. Start again. Reading was a joke as all the lines blurred and my memory hopped, skipped and jumped. I persevered. Mr. S. Godin would you please create and fund Doctorate Degrees in love, laughter, learning and legacy? I see a need that I need to fill so people will continuously succeed. I searched for 7 years for an online doctorate program that honors knowing over grades, and is completely online because I am tied to my oxygen machine. Read my Squidoo lense "It's Great to be Alive!" Yes we are dipped now. You all need us and we need you! Please

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      tillerman 8 years ago

      ups im late. will you make such studying next year

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      TopLawyer 8 years ago

      Terrific lens! And what a great opportunity I know that you have put much time and effort into your preparation and I know this because I have read several of your books (which, by the way, where extremely thought provoking and totally mentally stimulating!) and your research and diligence is not only very creative but leaves one with a sense of awe! Keep up the great work and offers. Many thanks. Frank legal forms Website Owner and humble legal marketer.

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      TopLawyer 8 years ago

      Nice lens. Yes, anybody can find, download and print free legal forms on the net but be cautious as not all sites offer professionally-drafted legal forms. Most are only fill-in-the-blanks type forms which leave out important contractual requirements. So, it's a good idea to go to a law firm site run by attorneys themselves. Frank Sullivan legal forms Website Owner.

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      Tony Payne 8 years ago from Southampton, UK

      This is a very cool opportunity. I will be interested to see what happens to the interns at the end. I'm sure it will be good for them.

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      optimizer2 8 years ago

      [in reply to ZeeZee]

      Seth posted the book list for his students......find them here

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      BrittanyLynn 8 years ago

      Thanks Seth for providing this opportunity! You rule.

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      sniggy 8 years ago

      i saw this 3 days too late :( i hope there's another round. sounds very exciting!

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      ZeeZee 8 years ago

      We all had aspirations to be accepted into Seth's program.

      Everyone here had the courage to compete. As if life there are some that win and some that do not ..when there is a game.

      The point is we are living in the "What if" stage.

      That is the one that may allow some of us not to accomplish what we set out to do in the first place.

      Deep down we all know the skill that we need to acquire to be effective. We all are creators of our own destiny. Go ahead on your own and take the steps to achieve what you dream of.

      Maybe Seth is prepared to share the books that he tells the interns to read with us.

      I am prepared to ask him.

      What a ride...as if on a roller coaster at supersonic speed.

      Weaving dreams, hopes and aspirations.

      For this I do have Truemanity, my passion and life mission.

      Those of you that would like to be part of a movement to join me there. I have built the platform for leaders to take charge in their areas and re knit the fabric of society.

      ZeeZee Ziona Etzion

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      shanemccarty 8 years ago

      Hey all,

      This is a rare opportunity. Not just applying for such a prestegious honor, but to find people like each one of you. There are very few business people that I have found that "actively care" and want to change the world.

      http://www.squidoo.com/changingtheworldwithseth

      Thanks for actively caring for people,

      Shane

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      skateboardingexplained 8 years ago

      Hi Seth, I wish I could do this! I feel I am definitely qualified for this and would greatly benefit from it also. The only problem is financing my 6 weeks in New York...

      Dan

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      avirani 8 years ago

      It's been really interesting reading some of your applications. What a great, diverse group!

      My application here - http://www.squidoo.com/alternative-mba-candidate-1

      Best of luck to all of you!

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      SquidooMBA 8 years ago

      Thanks for the experience and for challenging me. Just going through the application process has been life changing. All the best to you and the group you will be moving forward with. I eagerly await to see what great things you will do with them.

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      prpetten 8 years ago

      Thanks Seth, I appreciate the opportunity. For those of you who did not get selected, I'm trying to organize an alternative alternative program where we meet via phone daily and discuss the same things that they're discussing in the "official" program. We can keep our day jobs and still move forward with a similar program. Details will be forthcoming...

      http://www.squidoo.com/Alternative-Alternative-MBA

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      jmeher 8 years ago

      The forces of nature couldn't keep me from applying! Finally got internet, here is my application: https://hubpages.com/business/Alternative-MBA

      Thank you and good luck to everyone!!!

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      cwiddop lm 8 years ago

      Interesting Lens. I wish you the best at what you are trying to do.

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      pinkolivefamily 8 years ago

      Hi Seth,

      Great idea ~ wished that I could jump on this opportunity right now but with my current family situation (layoff - and all) - it may be hard to take 6 months to do this at this point. I wish all the participant tribe all the success with this opportunity. I'd be very interested in seeing how this progresses. Best, Susan @pinkolivefamily

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      PatFerdinandi 8 years ago

      To Seth:

      Best of luck making this very difficult decision. You have your choice of many fantastic potential interns.

      To Applicants:

      I wish you all luck!

      Sincerely,

      One of the applicants!

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      swanwick 8 years ago

      This is all over the blogosphere and Twitter. How many people do you think are going to apply? 100? 1000? Somewhere in-between. Vote and see what others are saying here.

      While you are there, I would love to know what you think of my lens.

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      GGopman 8 years ago

      Almost done. I got one more day to tweak a few things but I thought I'd give you a sneak peak.

      http://www.squidoo.com/lensmaster/workshop/Seth-Go...

      Cheers,

      Greg

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      jpetals 8 years ago

      Good luck to all the applicants. If life circumstances were slightly different and I weren't committed to my family of four, (six if you include the furry ones), then I would certainly try for this opportunity. I look forward to when the winner is announced. I have looked through some of the lenses and there are many great contestants, it will definitely be a tough decision to make and I'm happy I'm not the one that has to make it. Cheers =) Jodie

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      alex98 8 years ago

      this the best lens i've ever seen

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      royblumenthal 8 years ago

      Hiya Seth, and Other Applicants...

      Here's the link to my application... http://www.squidoo.com/royblumenthal-sethprentices...

      I wish us all the very best. And I wish Seth and his team an amazing time going through our applications. May there be treasure here.

      Blue skies

      love

      Roy

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      bohemiana 8 years ago

      My heart knew there were things like this out there....

      I could not get through the post without crying my eyes out. Mr. Godin, you have emotionally touched my compassionate anima, thus furthering my humility.

      Gratefully yours, ka

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      teisha 8 years ago

      Good Luck to all the applicants and you Seth!

      I would love to be part of your next REMOTE alternative MBA (some of us have young children to take care of) or why even call it an alt MBA, why not a bootcamp in innovative thinking, leadership, etc, etc?

      Consider: CCA design MBA which meets every month for 4 days and the rest of that month people work on their own (assuming they communicate via internet).

      I just started reading your blog about a month ago via Guy Kawasaki's blog I believe, at any rate,

      Could one of the selected members for ALT MBA keep all of us apprised on the goings on of this fabulous training? It would connect all the blog readers to your enterprise and really create a community of ideasharing.

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      JanetvanEeden 8 years ago

      What an unusual deal. Excellent idea. Good luck to all those who sail in it.

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      mike_squire 8 years ago

      This is an incredible opportunity! I am grateful that I have the time to take advantage of it. Then again, the process itself has been great - taking the time to really think about the questions and my life was a great task.

      Here is my Lense: www:squidoo.com/life-so-far

      Thanks again Seth!

      Mike Squire

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      jpearce 8 years ago

      Drawing advertisement 2009: 'You are in demand if you look like Bettie Page'.

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      jpearce 8 years ago

      How come people don't know that this is how it really works? It is very generous of you Mr. Godin to make such a grand offer. Good luck to all the candidates and I think this will be a major blast for you too! :)

      I joke that I have an MBA three times over doing what I do. Hee hee I studied film and have worked for myself since I was 20 something. I got into marketing and I have developed a fair amount of 'street smarts' to add to my repertoire. Sometimes I even market film...just say no to business school!

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      njthompson 8 years ago

      So many amazing things going on already with the SAMBA groups (yes, we created an acronym for it: Seth's Alt-MBA = SAMBA!).

      The most recent: collective voting on our wishes. Add yours to the convo here, make a vote and hopefully for those who are ready to jump in and make it happen, we'll make a wish come true.

      Best of luck with the apps everyone!

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      BobbyRio1 8 years ago

      Seth

      Just submitted my application:

      https://hubpages.com/community/tonyalmeida

      Look forward to the opportunity to work with you!

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      mudstar 8 years ago

      I can always be assured Oran will have an infinitely different viewing point on almost every matter. He is a rare born mystic that has fortunately avoided a traditional headucation. Through his innerstanding of life he sees the world with different eyes. I see his participation & contribution to my life & any project we may be working on as a gift of immeasurable value. Oran constantly inspires me to challenge the status quo & evolve my thinking. He is a companion like no other, his ruthless love, kindness, loyalty & passion, keep our friendship & partnership alive. I have grown & changed emotionally, spiritually &intellectually in a myriad of ways since our paths crossed. We have worked on numerous projects WSYC, Imagineering, Envest &more, but the most fulfilling have been the courses & workshops we ran that changed & inspired its participants equal to that of ourselves. It is a privilege to have him as a friend and business partner. Matt Rosmarin Talent Attack TV (Pty) Ltd SA

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      pruett 8 years ago

      Hey Seth,

      I wanted to add my name to list of eager applicants. You can find mine here:

      http://www.squidoo.com/pruett

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      Kris_gleason08 8 years ago

      Great lens. Thanks

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      A RovingReporter 8 years ago

      Great lens!

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      TerriLorah 8 years ago

      This would be fun and interesting if I were interested. Good luck to all of you who are.

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      squozzer 8 years ago

      Does the park in "Boundaries" allow people to play soccer while the archery range is in use?

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      jeremylichtman 8 years ago

      My first reaction: yeah all right go go GO!

      My second reaction: but I got bills to pay and customers of my own to service

      My final gut check: Its probably just an ego thing but I still prefer to "play" in my own "stadium". Not sure if I'll ever get beyond that. If I don't own the marketplace, I just don't feel as excited about working in it. Its the same reason I never wanted to be on Trump's show.

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      Richard Tame 8 years ago from Pacific Northwest

      But Seth, without an MBA, I can't secure my spot on the MBA fast-track at my dream mega-corporation and sit in a grey cube, pulling in a large salary for being a sheepwalker and hoping for the chance to glimpse the exec who will smooth my path to greatness.

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      RodneyGelineau 8 years ago

      I absolutely loved All Marketers Are Liars: The Power of Telling Authentic Stories in a Low-Trust World. amazing finding you here on squidoo, i clicked on the article not knowing the author of this lens. I'm Glad i did excellent info.

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      starfleet1 8 years ago

      Thanks for making the world a better place. We can always use more purple cows :) I have added my application here:

      http://www.squidoo.com/life-24

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      EpicFarms 8 years ago

      What a great idea! Hopefully for those of us who are Paul Harvey addicts (as in: "The Rest of the Story") you will send out a P.S.A. of sorts with some of the fascinating details. Points for creativity (not that you need 'em, mind :o)

      Http://www.squidoo.com/ConnieCrankpot

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      AndrewGreen LM 8 years ago

      Very interesting info, keep it going please.

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      GreenRevolution 8 years ago

      Wow! What a cool idea! I think this is definitely much more valuable than getting a regular MBA. Thanks for making this opportunity available to some very lucky people. I'm sure this is going to be an incredible, life-changing experience.

      Best of luck to all applicants!

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      squozzer 8 years ago

      Sounds like fun, at least when the voice in my head that is reading your words says it. What I find discouraging is too many excuses. That said, I better get off my ass and send in my app.

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      Belindance 8 years ago

      Like most people, I thought getting a B.A. would give me an edge. I haven't found that to be so. Will higher education start to be "really" valued by employers? Will people stop attending college because they find out their fellow employees have no degree!

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      Viko99 8 years ago

      Great post .. very useful

      Thank you

      http://www.squidoo.com/syteblackreview

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      prpetten 8 years ago

      Thank you Seth, I just added my application!

      http://www.squidoo.com/Paul-Pettengill-Alt-MBA-App...

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      mythusmage 8 years ago

      If I had your contact information I'd answer your questions, but I don't and Squidoo has a limit on verbiage in comments. So you get this . . .

      Nope, not available. But if you need material to illustrate a point you can always point your drudges to http://www.mythusmageopines.com/wp or http://opines.mythusmage.com when it comes on line. If I can't act as a good example, let me act as a bad example.

      I do hope you get some good people out of this call. Some prime candidates will disappoint you, some poor ones delight you, but at the least let none of them bore you. At the least let us hope that at least one person besides you gets something out of the experience.

      Security Word: gigagoop

      I have to ask, how much goop is in a goop? We know that, calculating the amount of goop in 1 billion goops is simplicity itself.

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      minky 8 years ago

      Very interesting and useful. Great lens. 5 stars

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      jaqinthemac 8 years ago

      Great site! I'm in my senior year at csulb for international business...i am working on an online business now though

      congrats on your success

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      KevinBuecher 8 years ago

      Jeff another one of Seth's past interns just gave some great advice to applicants

      http://www.squidoo.com/Past-Interns

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      Writer-of-books 8 years ago

      Seth is this your new way to write another book ! based on analysis of applications. Do the same with your blog and comments to it. Any way what ever the plan, keep up the good work and keep giving me ideas on the otherside of the big pond in the UK. One of these days you might make me a million, then I would have to be humble enough to give you credit and come over and celebrate with you.

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      divabat 8 years ago

      Seth, you might want to read this and give your comments - it's about a guy who's out of a job and isn't getting anywhere, so he's resorted to handing out his resume on the street. Here he's talking about his daughter:

      http://www.businessweek.com/blogs/recession_in_ame... news_top news index - temp_managing

      Now that [his daughter]'s graduated, she'll have an easy time finding work, right? Wrong. She couldn't get an interview for anything. Office assistant, receptionist -- no luck. And the jobs she did get called about were "unpaid internships." Now, tell me how does someone pay commuting costs to New York City, health insurance, and student loans with no pay?

      How does an employer have the nerve to call a free employee an "intern"? It's just a way to get an employee in New York for less than the wages paid to a Chinese factory worker.

      What do you reckon?

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      justinsas 8 years ago

      very interesting site. I give it 5 stars and a lensroll. Keep it up make some more lens.

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      Distortion 8 years ago

      So I wonder if there are any other entrepreneurs out there willing to put something together like this. Seems like a great way for an entrepreneur to get inspiration and new ideas from some fresh talent. Anyone in Australia willing to do something similar?

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      MikeHeadlee 8 years ago

      Awesome content, keep up the great work. You are on my intelectual board of trustees.

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      pizzamancer 8 years ago

      Hey Seth. I got my lens revised. Anyone else stopping by, let me know what you think: http://www.squidoo.com/Alternative-MBA-Program

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      djtrischler 8 years ago

      • Tell the person you are most likely compete with to apply, help them apply.

      • Post the questions as google doc with bullet points/links as answers.

      • Invite people who worked with you, regarding each question, to collaborate on the google doc and write an answer to the questions. Or, have them write a recommendation.

      • Post updates of google doc on a blog/squidoo/facebook/ning with forum for people to comment and critique edits.

      • Twitter as updates occur.

      • Turn it into a competition, have others vote on the best answers. VIA a squidoo site survey.

      • Bring up the process and recommend the application to everyone you meet.

      • Create your own guerrilla campaign with the team of people around you who are interested in your success in your town. Create a free newspaper. Sticker the town. Do a group freeze. Tell 6 random people each day till the deadline.

      • Prepare to lose and get to know other people applying. Chances are, you can help each other.

      • Think journey, Not Destination

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      ShortSaleRealtor 8 years ago

      Way to go Seth..You do have a lot of books.

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      James-Possible 8 years ago

      Seth,

      26 pages of responses, will you find the magical six...odds are in your favor, I am sure.

      Yet, I would offer that perhaps yours is not the offer you think, I cannot help but ask myself...what ONE person would Seth find so compelling that he would be will to devote six months of his life to them on their, on their terms.

      For me that is about as PURPLE as you can get!

      Who cares about an MBA? You yourself say "curiosity is constantly punished" and if that is so what could you learn from supporting and encouraging someone else is struggling to find their voice...the voice you have found for yourself?

      It only takes one to start a journey...the question is...will it be your journey or someone elses?

      James

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      lincolnn 8 years ago

      Ive started a yahoo listserv group.

      If you want to be a part of the conversation just email a blank email to sethgodinapprenticeship-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

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      KevinBuecher 8 years ago

      Bjoern (ANOTHER PAST INTERN)

      Just chimed in with advice to Thanks to Matt Chenye's work and had a lot to say.

      http://www.squidoo.com/past-interns

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      NathanRodgers 8 years ago

      The Crowd's Favorite Applications for Seth's Alternative MBA

      All the applications, all in one place!

      Once you've started your application, add it to the list. Then check out some of the other candidates and vote for your favorites. Use the feedback to improve your application. Rinse and Repeat.

      Cheers!

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      PatFerdinandi 8 years ago

      I would like to add encouragement to all to try. I did! The experience is worth it!

      To share my application experience...I was in a state like George Bailey in "It's A Wonderful Life." I decided to apply for this internship in hopes to find a new trail to explore that will use my past experiences (good and bad lessons included).

      I sent a note to family, friends, customers, clients, colleagues that I was applying with a link to my squidoo page (http://www.squidoo.com/MBA-Substitute-Application)... I asked for suggestions and if they wanted, comments.

      The outpour amazed me. I had no idea of the impact I had on people's lives. I had no idea what people saw as my best assets. It brought tears and smiles to my eyes (just as it did to George Bailey).

      Not that I want more competition (VBG) but I do feel that the experience will help everyone dust off their self-opinion to be successful no matter what happens next....It's worth the risk.

      [in reply to PatFerdinandi]

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      suman_mohanty 8 years ago

      I have 2 life changing things to attend to this weekend but this unusual "stumble upon" opportunity is likely to galvanize me into making my submission of an application (assuming I deem it worthy enough to be submitted).

      Suggestion: As a digital application is clearly favored ($20 for those that dare send it via post), I think it may be a good idea to include links to some your presentations (e.g. http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=2va1e53y9l) that are out there on the web, for the unintiated to profit from compelling and yet short versions of what is cetainly going to be an engrossing and enriching alternate-MBA experience for those that finally get on to the inaugural 6 month program.

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      PatFerdinandi 8 years ago

      Oh, the 14th is so far away. So is the 1st. Yet, we all have so much to do to prepare. Thank you for this wonderful opportunity. I hope all the applicatants provide you much inspiration.

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      lincolnn 8 years ago

      Here are some things you can do immediately to spread the word:

      1. Facebook - Post a link, make an event, or make a group

      2. E-mail - include a link to seth's squidoo page in your email signature

      3. Twitter - make a tweet

      4. Blogs - Post on your blog or comment in someone else's

      5. FriendFeed

      6. Gmail - Share the story on Google reader

      7. Tumblr

      8. Myspace - Post on someones wall or include it on your own page

      9. Aim away msg

      10. Foonz Voicemail - blast a mass message to people in your voicemail list

      11. Direct messages to all friends

      12. Contact a Market Maven - Have them post a link on their blogs or send out a message to their email lists

      13. Forum Posts - Include the links in your forum signatures

      14. Press Releases - Write press releases and submit them to places like prweb or newswire

      15. Social Bookmarking - Bookmark Seth's Squidoo page using digg, delicious, ask, furl, blue dot, stumbleupon or technorati

      16. Make a Youtube Video - Leave a link to the Squidoo page

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      tanmoyim 8 years ago

      Dear Seth

      I am a follower; please include me in your tribe. I fall in love with your writing after I read “The Dip” , recently I completed “Tribes” . Planning to read it one more time before sharing it with my friends.

      We are experiencing making of human HISTORY at this moment, the power lies in our choice. The GAP between rich and poor is widening and very soon the middle class will fall between the gaps …

      I have started a tribe called BillionaireBaseCamp, and my mission is to make people rich. I am using FX trading and Internet marketing as tools . I will be using a combination of NLP and LOA to motivate my tribe .

      I was very fascinated with the idea of personal MBA , I guess you know about it .

      I want to be in your inner circle, it’s a wonderful idea to spend 6 months in your office. But I am based in a different continent.

      Any plans to open ASIA campus for your business school .

      Warm Regards

      Tanmoy

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      Mlatta 8 years ago

      This offer made me smile and appreciate why Seth Godin has such a strong marketing mind. Folks, this is an unpaid internship. While there may be thousands jumping at this opportunity, realize that probably just down the street from you is a company in your field of interest with really smart people that would seek a very passionate candidate who wants to learn-- for free. Smart people are everywhere to give you the MBA experience, including Seth. We can all learn something valuable from every person we meet. If it has to be packaged up to you as an exciting opportunity for you to realize this, you probably aren't going to make the cut anyway. But Kudos to the folks inspired to make a leap to follow their passion with Seth or in their own backyard.

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      njthompson 8 years ago

      Thanks for taking the time for the call today Seth - it definitely spurred some great conversations on the Ning group!

      Cheers,

      NJ

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      squirrrerlreal24 8 years ago

      I also won't waste my money on MBA...

      With Love

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      avraml 8 years ago

      Seth,

      I tried to access the conference call, but sadly, the call was full and wouldn’t let new participants join. I hope you’ll post the recording online for those of us who couldn’t get in!

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      beta21 8 years ago

      Seth Godin Does Not Have to Read Your App:

      https://hubpages.com/literature/Reading_Optional

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      thefunkybunch 8 years ago

      Thanks Seth, I've asked other applicants to see if they can help out.

      There's a discussion on the FaceBook group regarding visas for non-US applicants. We're trying to establish exactly what the situation would be, and whether those of us from countries that are a part of the Visa Waiver program might need one at all. If you can shed any light on this from your end, it would be much appreciated. NJ Thompson (from the FaceBook group) has said she'll be on the call and we mention it on our behalf.

      For everyone else, there are now a number of different ways to connect with other applicants and let other people know about what's in the offing. Take your pick or join all four!

      FaceBook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=42955022675

      LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1404587

      Squidoo Group: http://www.squidoo.com/groups/alternativemba

      Ning group for Logistical Planning: http://alternativemba.ning.com/

      Thanks to everyone who's set these up.

      [in reply to sethgodin]

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      10DollarTrafficSecret 8 years ago

      I'd like to hear more about this. See you on tomorrows call!

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      dexterronddle12 8 years ago

      Frankly speaking, EMBA sounds like a better choice if you have the money. And you get to network with a larger grp of well-known executives!

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