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Is Minimum Wage A Good Idea

Updated on October 26, 2015

In my opinion minimum wage is not good most of the time. All people deserve to be treated well and valued as human beings. I am not heartless, but a realist. I have lived long enough to know life is not fair. Do you really want to get what you deserve? How about a speeding ticket every time you go over the speed limit? The law says you deserve a ticket every time you speed.

Minimum wages hurt the people it pretends to help. For instances the more restrictions you put on something the less you have of it.

Here is an example where people are placing restrictions on themselves and doing what they think is a good thing for everyone. Since I am one of them I am sure this is my motive.The California drought has greatly reduced water usage in the Tri-Valley and has led to fewer green lawns. We were asked to voluntarily reduce our water consumption 25%. While other parts of California were not conserving our. This area reachedthe goal. Two years ago you got a stern note from a neighbor or the city if your lawn was green. Some areas you got fined for having green lawns. The drought is expected to end this year. Many have been using recycled water for watering. Many are landscaping their dead lawns. They are opting for hardscape (rock/pavement) and drought resistant scrubs with little or no lawn. This landscaping option is reducing the number of people needed to mow lawns. Do people who mow lawns typically make minimum wage? If not minimum then close to it. They aren't victims of big business rather victims of a water shortage.*

How much steak do you eat when it is eleven dollars a pound? Most ranchers in California got rid of their cattle. Friends closed the family dairy after 67 years because there wasn't enough water to grow feed and people wouldn't pay eight dollars a gallon for milk so they could afford to buy feed. The shortage of water has made agricultural products scarce therefore more expensive. My point, when something is expensive fewer people will be able to have that product or job in this case.

*Resource: My personal neighborhood in which 10 houses have replaced all or part of their lawns with hardscape and 4homes have replaced lawn with artificial turf. This is an area of about 100 houses.

The President Announced Today

When the President of the United States announced he was going to raise the minimum wage many people shouted for joy and wait expectantly for their raises.

Today, I ask you to consider if minimum wage, whether it is federal or state, is a good idea. Why or why not

It is human nature to desire due reward for personal achievement and money to get what you want and need. This is the intended goal for increasing the minimum wage. But does it reach that goal? How much money is needed for a living wage? I once heard Al Gore spends thirty thousand dollars a month on electricity for his five homes. That is six thousand dollars more than someone making fifteen dollars an hour makes in a year.

The question to consider is this; does the minimum wage do what it is intended?

Take a moment and think about minimum wage. Who do you instantly think of when you think minimum wage. "Fast Food workers". Who are the fast food workers. Teenagers? When a teenager takes a job in a burger joint they are expected to get through school and get a real job? But as jobs are becoming harder to find more adults are taking these jobs in an effort to support their families. Where do these jobs lead? A friend had been working for a fast food chain, climbing the ladder from taking orders to general manager when he was laid off. He had worked for this company 14 years and was devastated. He was a star in his field.

Then the company decided to do something it had never done before. They allowed him to become a franchisee. The rest is history. His wife learned accounting and computers. Fifty stores later they are known for helping their employees reach goals they never thought they could. They grant scholarships from each store to local high school students every year and they do an amazing fundraiser for breast cancer research.

When you own an enterprise you put your heart and soul into that enterprise. Does the average fast food worker really want to invest anything into flipping burgers? Do you think it is good to encourage people to stay in nowhere jobs because they make a "living wage"?

Fast Food Employees

Today, December 5, 2013, all over the United States fast food workers are protesting. They are asking for a $15 per hour minimum wage. They are not asking for much are they? Interestingly Time Magazine had an article on a study saying 10 percent more than what you currently make will make you happier. The fast food employee protesting for higher minimum wage proves this study. The mind set "Employers need to pay benefits and a living wage" is pervasive in our society and Europe. Where is the reality in this mind set? What is a living wage? As you can see, if you read the Time Magazine article, it changes for everyone. A living wage in San Francisco is more than a living wage in Des Moines, Iowa. A national federal minimum wage of $10/hour will give people, in some states, a huge raise, and others won't get much at all. Will the number of jobs increase in states where employers suddenly have to pay employees more than their businesses can sustain?

How likely would you, a business owner, be to pay a 16 year old the minimum wage if it were $15/hour?

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Is the goal of the fast food workers to work in fast food all their lives? What are the demographics of these workers. When MacDonald's and Burger King were upstart companies they attracted high school and college age employees. Today these companies attract elderly people, immigrants and college graduates who can't get jobs and motivated teens who are passing through. When did working in a fast food restaurant become the American dream job? In this link the five year MacDonald's employee says she doesn't make enough money to support her four children and has to depend on her children's father for a lot. Am I truly the only person in the world who believes fathers should provide for their children?

The topic of the minimum wage is emotionally charged. Many will come down on the side of the little worker and say the employers are the villains. There is always a grain of truth in every lie, according to Thomas Pain.

Lets take a look at the responsibilities of a business owner.

Through The Eyes Of A Businessperson

Lets walk through creating, owning and operating a business. I started a business years ago; it never went anyplace. I had excellent sales training and experience, my product was excellent, What went wrong?

Simply this, I spent more on the business than I made.

The bottom line, a business must make enough money to cover operating costs and feed the owner if it hopes to survive. The size of the business makes no difference. A large corporation and small business alike must make a profit or they cease to exist.

Here is a list of things must business people think about:

  1. How much space is needed to house the business?.
  2. How much will you have to spend on rent, lights, heating, cleaning,maintenance,garbage collection, water,landscaping maintenance?(if applicable)
  3. How many employees are needed to run your business? .
  4. How much will you need to spend training employees?
  5. How much will you have to spend to get and maintain good employees?
  6. What materials will you need, and who will be your suppliers ?
  7. What kind of wholesale rates can be negotiated with suppliers?
  8. How much will Insurance,(property, fire, unemployment insurance for employees, workers compensation, healthcare), cost?
  9. Taxes(property, payroll taxes, social security, self employment(14%) sales, etc... Taxes have to be paid whether the business makes a profit or not.
  10. What is the cost of a business licence?
  11. What is the budget for advertising and marketing?(My business failed because my advertising and marketing department was weak.)
  12. What are the accounting and payroll costs?
  13. What will production cost?
  14. How many hours will the lawyer ($300/hour) need to make sure all is legal an maneuver through contracts.

These are just a few of things business owners think about. Owning a business is full of responsibility and liabilities. If you don't love it and work diligently even the most lucrative business will fail. Here is an example of what I mean.

When I was young, living in the state capitol, there was a pizza parlor that made delicious whole wheat crust. The service was excellent, the location was such it attracted both professionals and college students. Every day the place was packed. The owner was frequently around to greet guests. When the owner passed away suddenly his son inherited the restaurant. He was not invested in the business the way his father had been. It was gone within a year. My point is an owner is willing to go the extra mile to make their business successful. The dishwasher probably won't care to do so.

I can still remember that tasty whole wheat crust with roast beef on top.

How likely will raising the minimum wage be to help those unemployed?

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Raising The Minimum Wages

Government and Media have become the "Smartest Guys In The Room". Instead of looking at what is sustainable, government tells business they can or cannot do x,y and z. Government assumes all employees are treated like dirt and employers are scum. The parallels to the Enron scandal and our current administration are startling. We are told at every level the people running this country are the smartest guys in the room.

Raising the minimum wage targets people who can little afford to lose their jobs and young people trying to get work experience. There is no incentive for an employer to hire someone without work experience if they have to pay them the same as a trained employees?

Raise the minimum wage and entry level jobs are eliminated. The cost of operating a business has got to be factored in somewhere.

Unintended Consequences

What are the unintended consequences of the minimum wage mandates?

  1. Limit employers ability to give employee bonus and pay raises.
  2. Limit employers ability to provide benefits.
  3. Limit the number of employees company can afford.
  4. Limit the growth of a company. If you cannot afford to hire more employees your growth potential is limited.
  5. Limit number of employees qualified for the job. No employer can afford to train an employee if they have to start him out at the same cost as a trained qualified employee.
  6. Limits tips. While apps for giving servers tips when you pay your bill the hot items places like Seattle Washington are eliminating tips and increasing the cost of services twenty percent to cover the new fifteen dollar an hour living wage.
  7. Limits your public assistance. You don't get as much because you will now make too much.

Eliminating or lowering the minimum wage would allow employers to reverse these consequences.

Explain to me why it is fair for a fast food worker to make more than some teachers with 4-5 years of advanced education or the same salary as a paramedic? If working in fast food,or sweeping a floor for $15/ hour is the new American Dream job where is the incentive to get an education? Fast food workers, work hard with enormous pressure to constantly perform. Hard workers are the backbone of our country. All people deserve to be respected and valued as human beings. Will raising the minimum wage ease the pressure these people feel? No, but it will make the smartest guys in the room feel better.


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      Judy Specht 2 years ago from California

      Peg, You said in one of your comments,you didn't get a job you were qualified to do, because you didn't have a degree; which resulted in you going back to school. Is making minimum wage the antithesis of inspiration to better oneself?

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      Peg Cole 2 years ago from Dallas, Texas

      You've made some really valid points on this issue. The idea of minimum wage increasing will help those whose skill level is not sufficient to qualify for higher paying jobs, yet, at the same time will drive up business costs for the entrepreneur and the small business owner. The consumer will pay for the increase in wages with a higher cost of goods and services, which will then result in people demanding higher wages. (again)

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      Judy Specht 3 years ago from California

      glassvisage, We are southeast of San Francisco. I avoid eating in the city I can. All the extra charges make me think of all the lovely places to eat in Oakland and Berkeley. Shoot you can have a tasty meal in Berkeley for price of surcharges in the city. (College faire, but healthy and tasty)

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      glassvisage 3 years ago from Northern California

      I'm not sure what area of California you're from, but in the Bay Area where costs are so high, this is a big issue with lots of pros and cons that have been mentioned for the most part. I still believe that an increase won't really benefit the workers after all of the impacts settle, including increased employee costs and trickledown to product and service prices, possible employee cutbacks or layoffs, etc.

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      Judy Specht 3 years ago from California

      Agree ,Tolovaj, the Treasury always gets more regardless of what the worker gets.

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      Tolovaj 3 years ago

      Our country raised minimum wage couple of years ago and it seems it wasn't so great idea after all. Employees didn't get much more, many of them actually lost a bit because at the same time social transfers were changed, employers were obligated to pay more, so profits dropped, they had to raise some prices of their products, became less competitive, some jobs were lost. It is hard to say how much damage was caused by this move because a lot happened on micro and macro level, but one thing is obvious - raise of minimum wage will always bring more money in Treasury.

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      Judy Specht 3 years ago from California

      DrMark The only experience I have with Brazilian economy is through a friend who retrains addicts and street people in Sao Paulo.

      I did read an article today about the fast food chain where the main protest in New York took place. The store was shut for 4 days.

      The day before Christmas the employees were all let go. The store closed and will be remodeling and reorganizing. The idea was set forth that if the company couldn't trust the employees then they didn't want them. All employees would told to consider filing for unemployment. When the remodeled store will reopen is not known.

      Other stores are eliminating jobs to install automation. Ultimately a robot will cost less than a person over time. The technology is certainly available.

      Funny story. My son's friend wanted his ring bearer in his wedding to be a robot. ( He is an robotic engineer) His bride to be refused. It was the most technologically enhanced wedding I have ever been too. It lasted 2 hours without a dull moment start to finish.

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      Dr Mark 3 years ago from The Beach of Brazil

      I just read the comment section after finishing your hub. Wow, some pretty strong opinions.

      After seeing the minimum wage here in Brasil go from about $80 a month to about $300 a month, I can say that it is really a good thing. Everyone, even those not making the minimum wage, are doing better. Some businesses can handle it, others failed.

      The question, of course, is where does it stop. $15 an hour? That sounds way too high for minimum wage. I do not think any fast food worker is entitled to that.

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      Romeos Quill 4 years ago from Lincolnshire, England

      Growing up from a poor family, my brothers and sisters practically relied on the state for almost everything for which I'm profoundly grateful for, and try to put something back in adulthood through tax, services and whatever I have to offer. National healthcare was a great blessing for underprivileged children and the elderly, whose health and well being would otherwise have suffered by its lack.

      It seems that problems arise when the original spirit of this generosity is lost, or taken advantage of unscrupulously, thus bringing an originally good thing into disrepute.

      All the Best,


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      Judy Specht 4 years ago from California

      I believe Churchill was a great proponent of National Health Care as well.

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      Romeos Quill 4 years ago from Lincolnshire, England

      P.S. Aneurin Bevan was Minister of Health in the U.K, who was the main proponent in the Beveridge Report of 1942 for a National Health System, just to clarify.

      Best Wishes,


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      Romeos Quill 4 years ago from Lincolnshire, England

      A fascinating article, and sure to ruffle a few feathers, so to speak.

      I read this quote a while ago:-

      " American workers spend more of their day working to pay taxes than they do to feed, clothe and house their families. " - American Tax Foundation.

      Well I suppose this is one of the many myriad reasons why the general population of Americans are so great.

      In this country ( England ), the politicians are toying with the idea of a ' living wage '. One thing I , and many others noticed when the minimum wage was introduced a few years back, was that the floor of this wage also became the ceiling, and employers got around paying the extra monies by drastically reducing work hours, and also by employing two part-time workers instead of one full-time worker, so they wouldn't have to pay out all of the work-related benefits that come with a full-time position.

      It obviously makes good business sense for the employer, but the average worker is left not being able to meet the basic needs of living, so is coerced into taking two jobs, which I'm sure means paying more in travel costs and taxes.

      This country had centuries of the average family worker being oppressed by some greedy employers, under conditions which would be considered slave labour by today's standards, and the workers progressively fought hard for their rights, which led to such relief as the ' Bevan Report '.

      Your Ashton Kutcher vid was great, and pleased to make your acquaintance in HP town.

      Kind Regards,


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      Judy Specht 4 years ago from California

      bdegiulio, You have made my day. If every person who liked Ashton Kutcher heard this speech I would be happy. Thanks for stopping in and voting.

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      Bill De Giulio 4 years ago from Massachusetts

      Excellent discussion on a controversial issue. I must say that I have never been an Ashton Kutcher fan but I was really, really impressed with his acceptance speech in the video. He certainly speaks the truth. Great job. Voted up, etc....

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      Judy Specht 4 years ago from California

      MsDora, thank you so much for visiting. I am so frustrated that people don't understand the law of unintended consequences.

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      Judy Specht 4 years ago from California

      FlourishAnyway, Thanks for visiting. I don't know what the amount should be, but I have ideas. If someone as lowly has ideas why don't the smartest guys who are supposed to know everything have them?

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      Dora Weithers 4 years ago from The Caribbean

      Very good points raised here. Sometimes people shout without understanding the cause or the consequences. Your article is filled with issues for consideration. Thank you.

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      FlourishAnyway 4 years ago from USA

      Very interesting points. I do realize that there are some people whose abilities are capped at a very basic level and yet want to make an honest, productive living. I value and respect that. Trouble is, I don't really know what the minimum wage should be.

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      Ann Carr 4 years ago from SW England

      Don't worry, I forgive you!! Most people wouldn't notice so I'm impressed. My usual beef is that people add an 'e' to my first name so it makes a change! That 's an interesting story there and emphasises your point. All the best, Ann

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      Judy Specht 4 years ago from California

      Sorry annart for leaving one of the n's out of your name.

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      Judy Specht 4 years ago from California

      B. Bramberg, Anart, Allancaster149, tsadjatko, thank you for visiting. Sorry not to have been too attentive to comments today. It was our annual Holiday tour of San Francisco hotel holiday decorations. Going from the my town, into the city, on the train gave me serious insight into poverty. One of the people I was with has a cousin we visit who has been indigent forty five years. We watched a very well dressed young man with a muffler wrapped around his face steal a cell phone and get caught. There were people sleeping on the street. We saw a man hand a young man sitting on the sidewalk a sleeping bag and a pad.

      People are good and bad. It seems when the government gets involved it takes away everyones dignity. When my eldest son was 16 a friend of our hired our son and his friend to dig drainage ditches in his yard. The soil in his yard was clay. They worked and worked and worked it took them a day or so to dig one 5 foot deep hole with a pick and post hole digger. They had 12 to dig. They worked all summer for minimum wage. They were smart young men who devised techniques to accomplish this job efficiently. They were also football players. When school started and football season got under way they had 5 holes to left. When they were very sure they never wanted to dig ditches for a living our friend rented a backhoe and finished the last 5 holes in about 4 hours. My husband asked about the whole job, our friend said. I knew I could do all of them in a short while, but these are bright young men and I wanted to make sure they would set their sites on higher things. Minimum wage was a great teaching tool. Both graduated from college and have families. They laugh about how strong they got that summer. They went on to a 13 and 0 football season and went to State. Both agree this was the motivational job of their lives. Minimum wage is for the young who are passing through not a place to dwell.

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      Alan R Lancaster 4 years ago from Forest Gate, London E7, U K (ex-pat Yorkshire)

      Think about this: the better paid an employee is, the more spending power he/she has, the less they have to fall back on the public purse. Below a certain wage level here taxes are not payable, council taxes are paid from the public purse, they fall behind with rent, power and water bills and in the end little money changes hands to keep the economy going.

      Know the phrase, 'Keep the kettle boiling'? It isn't just about passing something around in a circle. Broaden the theme and it makes more sense, you pay me for goods, I pay him for his services and on it goes.

      Or another comparison: Build a house of cards and take a few cards away. What happens? The economy works in the same way. A taxpayer 'keeps the kettle boiling'. Purchasing power means Value Added Tax (in this part of the world, that's 'Purchase Tax' in old money), the coffers are kept full and maybe a surplus is created in the system. That may mean an easing of the tax burden for others. The money you pay for fuel for your car, for luxury goods, for food and drink is divided. Some goes into the bosses' pockets, some into property services, wages... well you follow the gist.

      In a 'healthy' area you have restaurants, shops, car showrooms etc, where cash turnover keeps the tills ringing. The economy thrives and everyone's happy including the tax man.

      Then you go 'downtown', shops are boarded up, sales in drugs are conducted in broad daylight in back alleys, prostitution thrives, needles lie around together with condoms and rubbish is piled up. Misery abounds.

      Which area do want to live in? We have 'no-go' areas a bus journey away from us where even fast food shops don't do well. Those who can't afford to live elsewhere, who can't afford to improve their lifestyle and those whose incomes mean hard times all the time live there and nobody wants to go there. People curse the traffic lights for having to wait because problems might spill out from the shadows.

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      Judy Specht 4 years ago from California

      Bob, As a reformed intellectual snob, I had an ah ha moment a few years back. We have rated jobs and placed not only price tags, but stigma to manual labor and sadly elevated the "Smartest Guys In The Room". Your pedigree determines your worth. In my belief system, and science backs me in the food web, without the least nothing survives. The least are to be cared for by those who can. Demanding minimum wage and making government king kills philanthropy. Have lots more thoughts, but people are waiting for me.

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      TSAD 4 years ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

      Billy Buc, actually the truth is that there is one answer that will solve the problems in this country. JOBS!

      If as much effort was given to creating JOBS in the US as funding entitlements, raising the minimum wage frivolous and wasteful spending people wouldn't care about making $15 an hour at a job anyone off the street can walk into and perform without even any training. They'd look for jobs that provide a hope for the future, demand personal growth and give a human being a reason to work that they can be proud of, not just a job anyone can do but pays them enough that they don't have to seek to better themselves.

      I know people like cable installers and Computer technicians (used to be teachers too), workers who work hard to make $15 an hour, who need to be trained to do what they do - If I were them and could make $15/ an hour flipping hamburgers why would I want to bust my ass working in inclement weather conditions year round or invest in myself to make the same wage I could make doing an entrance level job like fast food?

      A $15/hour wage is not fair, it is a symptom of an ever growing entitlement state and the decline of America and evaporation of the American dream into thin air while increasing Government bureaucracy and intrusion into our lives.

      What would be fair would be a job market so adequate as to make a minimum wage job simply not a job anyone would settle for as a career and the only people who would consider it would be people entering into the workforce for the first time to get a start and experience at a job, exactly what it was originally intended to do.

      Liberals would have you believe the country would be better off if everyone could make a career of an entry level job, remain unskilled, uneducated and uninformed so why not pay them enough that they have no incentive whatsoever to better themselves, as long as the liberals get to bloodsuck their votes for giving them things they don't deserve. So a liberal government has no reason to empower them by creating jobs that will better their lives, Government would be giving them power over their lives if they did and so would lose that power over their lives which is what government expansionists live for.

      And there is no question whatsoever that this Government is capable of and could take measures that would produce a surge in Jobs immediately and an abundance for the foreseeable future which would solve all our social and economic problems but they won't. In short our Government and the people running it today IS the problem and it will never change unless we change the people running it and replace their ideology of LYING and LYING about LYING with the ideology of TRUTH.

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      Bob Bamberg 4 years ago from Southeastern Massachusetts

      Bob's (diogenes) comment above my first comment wasn't there when I wrote my comment. I saw it after I hit the "Post Comment" button. Had I seen it first, I would have added to my comment: diogenes' final comment, "...get the bankers to fund it!" underscores the basic problem.

      No one gets anything for free that wasn't first taken away from someone else. The government takes our money under the threat of imprisonment and spends it in ways we may or may not approve of. If we "get the bankers to fund it" they'll lower their interest rates on investment accounts, raise fees, etc. to make up for it.

      People tend to resent the rich or successful, claiming they haven't earned their wealth...only took it from the hide of their employees. In a capitalistic, free enterprise democracy, the goal is profit, and there's nothing evil about that.

      If the haters resent that, let them incur the debt, liability exposure, demands on time, etc., and open up their own business and give everything away to those in need.

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      Ann Carr 4 years ago from SW England

      We have a minimum wage here in Britain too, of course. It has saved some people from having to claim benefits but at the same time only puts them on the thin line between having enough or not so it doesn't solve the problem. I completely agree with your argument from the small business employer's point of view. I think it's maternity leave that makes it really difficult for small businesses to survive; they have to pay someone who's not there, hire someone else and then the original comes back for a week only to leave because they can't manage a job and a child at the same time! I've known that put an employer on the brink of failing. It's a really difficult area.

      I too agree about the teachers; I've worked alongside too many who didn't pull their weight (and that's putting it kindly).

      You've presented the arguments well in a very interesting hub.

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      diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico

      So interesting to read the last comment, flying in the face as it does of the philosophy expressed in my comments above Bob Bamberg's reasoned opinion.

      I think we should remember the minimum wage reflects what it costs families and individuals to live and is structured around the cost of living. Highly variable, of course, depending on the worker's position in life - does he pay rent, etc., etc., or is the money he earns all "his." Our problem here is aggravated by migrant workers in the thousands flooding in quite willing to work for half our minimum wage - still much more than they can earn at home in Rumania, etc. Any minimum wage is hard to enforce as employers in the rural sector and the tiny mom and pop businesses are rarely checked to see what they pay their help. Frankly, there has always been a "minimum wage" in force since the 1980s. Although it was once the beast whose name must not be spoken (and about half of what is now decreed here - around the same as the $15 proposed in the USA).

      When I was a sprog I was paid $5 a week! by a cruel and inhumane farmer; then about $15 a fortnight! in the British Navy. That wasn't nearly a living wage even in today's money. So workers have come a long way, baby, and I would hate to return to the old days: man is all too often inhumane to man, especially where work pay and conditions are concerned. A decent minimum wage does give us something to work around


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      Bob Bamberg 4 years ago from Southeastern Massachusetts

      I believe that government should have no role in business decisions; not how much to pay employees, not that they must offer health insurance, not that they must give certain time off, etc.

      I owned a small retail business, re-mortgaged my home and took a business loan to be able to buy the business, and worked 7 days a week. The government didn't provide capital or lift a finger to help. It irritates the hell out of me that government micro-manages businesses.

      In my opinion, an employer is no more responsible for your family's health insurance than he is for your car insurance or homeowner's insurance. He has no obligation to provide any benefits.

      Employers offered benefits as a way to compete for top talent and to encourage employee retention and loyalty. I don't know how that system ever got so bastardized. I don't believe that employers owe any benefits to today's transient work force. If workers don't like what an employer offers, don't apply for a job there. Good hub and discussion...voted up, useful and interesting.

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      diogenes 4 years ago from UK and Mexico

      Employers amd administrations easily get round the strictures of having to pay minimum wages to low level workers (the only ones who need it). They authorize and utilize part time work; work sharing; semi-volunteering, unpaid or poorly paid "apprenticeships" and all the rest. And billybuc saying fast food workers don't "deserve" $15/hour...well, I guess he's never been on his feet for 8 hours in Macs putting up with rude customers and the stink of fast food (etc). In the UK, we had no minimum wages up until quite recently and workers (the young and underprivileged) were exploited from the cradle to the grave. Although we had industries back then which allowed most to get a living wage. There are negatives of course, but, overall, I vote for a solid minimum wage for those in non-skilled work...get the bankers to fund it!


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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Hey friend, let you and me do our best. I think we are worth it all by ourselves. You come by my home any day, and I will pay just to here your say.

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      Judy Specht 4 years ago from California

      Billy don't get me started on teachers. I have a four page newspaper article I have saved on what it takes to fire a teacher in CA. Not even teachers who have been put in jail on molestation charges can be fired.

      If people don't see anything else, but the Aston Kutcher video on this hub I will be happy.

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      Judy Specht 4 years ago from California

      Eric, That was one response I didn't, but am delighted to receive. Agree with you whole heartedly.

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      Eric Dierker 4 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Kill it quick. Minimum Wage is just such a term that it makes you shake your head. I get a minimum for showing up??? What???

      My children who are older could not work in middle and high School. Well ok I broke some rules and got them some jobs or they did on their own under the table. They were worth half the minimum wage. But they could not work to learn how to work. That is sick #@$@%#. (sorry I do not know how to do that cuss word thing) So cut my wage as a writer.

      One thing I really like about HP here is their requirement that we do not do "minimum" work. It has to reach a higher standard. If I ran a shop and someone worked for me for minimum wage I would fire her on the spot. People need to work because working is right. Not a right.

      Just wait and see what happens to security guards.

      This is another move to cut all of us to part time workers. The United States of Part Time Workers ---- sounds a whole lot like United Socialist States of Russia. (yes that is a literary libation)

      This is ill conceived and stupid. Where did the movie ushers, caddies and paperboys go? Long time no have seen.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Political parties aside for a moment, the truth is that there is no one answer that will solve the problems in this country. Your points are well-made. I do not for a second believe that fast food workers deserve $15 per hour. I think pay should be dependent upon training, schooling and skill....but....and this is a big but....I think there also must be a way to weed out those who have the training and schooling but how simply coast in a job without giving maximum effort. See, it gets a bit complicated. For far too many years I taught alongside teachers who were protected by "tenure" and they just mailed in their effort each day. If it were up to me they would have been canned a long, long time ago to make room for teachers who actually wanted to teach instead of picking up a paycheck.

      Anyway, great food for thought.