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Should the Unemployed be made to Work for their Benefits!

Updated on January 16, 2015

Should you be made to "go out to work" for your benefits?

Should people who are unemployed be made to work for their unemployment benefit?

With the recent Riots in the UK, has strengthened this argument, too many people being given money for nothing, Do you think that people who are able to work should be made to take part in working programmes to entitle them to their benefits? I will look at general terms here, for several countries as through investigation it is not only the UK that seems affected by the financial crisis, we are all facing rising taxes, and increasing unemployment figures.

With the amount of unemployed people in the UK reaching a staggering 1,450,500 (source) and in the US a reported 13.4 million (source ) the governments are expecting these numbers to increase in 2011. How are they going to manage paying out the billions of pounds in Benefits....usually by targeting the working sector? Is this fair? Share your views throughout this page.

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Is the system fair?

no, and it needs sorting out, I work hard and pay my taxes so should everyone

no, and it needs sorting out, I work hard and pay my taxes so should everyone

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    • NobodyLoser 3 years ago

      Oh and by the way, this pretend notion that it's even possible to have four generations who have never held down a job is insanely far from being almost within reach of the truth with a seventy foot pole.

    • NobodyLoser 3 years ago

      I say... Unemployment benefits are not simply money being given. It's your own hard money already invested in an intelligent social insurance plan. If we tell people they need to go out and work to receive their benefits, that is the same thing as the government employing these people. The proper procedure for such a thing is to literally employ people through the government instead of cutting budgets by putting people's livelihood on the line. Government jobs have long been the suggested fictional bane of our people's economy in the minds of the conservatives, along with so-called fraudulent claims. It has been suggested that government jobs syphon the lifeblood of the economy, but the fact is, these people fall into the middle class. No "Class" of people make up larger percentage and it's this percentage's everyday lives that we all depend on and it's this class that the unemployed insured fall into. When their fridge goes out and they use some of their unemployment benefits to buy a new one, that supports the jobs of the people who made it, who, by the way, might also need those benefits some day. I'm not opposed to people working for their benefits, but the proper procedure for such a thing is called an interview and a paycheck.

      Also, we all know there are false claims and there simply is no way to deal with something like this, without spending money. Data suggests we end up spending too much trying to weed these people out. Like we all are, I'm confused about what would be the proper way to fix this issue, but cutting gov. jobs and then complaining about the number of people on unemployment is probably not the answer.

    • Lisa Auch 4 years ago from Scotland

      @anonymous: Exactly Sean! Benefits are there to help those who need help and assistance at a tie when they have worked and earned before and perhaps find themselves looking for work, but those who chose to live the "benefits" lifestyle because they believe they can "earn" the same money and be paid for sitting around all day, THAT is where the changes need to be made!

    • anonymous 4 years ago

      The system is unfair, many people spend over 40 hours a week working, typically on minimum wage, to be paid basically the same amount of wages a week as those receiving benefits. Many of those receiving benefits have never even attempted to search for a job. Fair enough it is unfair to penalise all those out of work under one category, but the system we live under, that hands out benefits at any call, is a mess. Those young adults in education have lost the will to strive for a better education, to seek a better lifestyle, how can they be motivated to seek further education, receive a degree of some form and then come out with a job paid less than someone receiving benefits weekly for not even attempting to receive any form of education

    • Tony Payne 5 years ago from Southampton, UK

      While I think that benefits are a great thing, what many people who do not live in the UK may not realise is that it is far too easy for people to claim benefits, and to never have to work in their lives. Their are now families with 4 generations who have never worked. Kids in school have no desire to study, since when they leave school they are going to do the same as the rest of the family, and draw benefits.

      This is not because there are no jobs. It's because it's a way of life. There are jobs, but these people choose to abuse the system and not work, at the expense of the taxpayers who do.

      Several months ago there was a survey that said 10 out of every 14 people who claim they cannot work because of injury, are faking it.

      The riots were not the result of social unrest etc. They were just an excuse for people to "play in the streets". Throwing petrol bombs at police, setting fire to buildings and looting stores has become a "fun activity".

      Many of the more than 4,000 people arrested were teenagers. Drunken teens who were interviewed said that they felt it was their "right" to loot alcohol from stores owned by those who do work.

      It's time for the government to clamp down on the spongers off society and to only pay benefits to those who really deserve it.

      If you see what those on benefits do have - free housing, large screen tv's, cars, blackberries etc, it's very often more than those who do work can afford to buy, and it's all paid for with taxpayer money.

    • Cinnamonbite 5 years ago

      I do not like entitlement. People say they DESERVE these benefits. Deserve? When I was growing up destitute, no one gave us anything. It made me want to do better. Everyone can do something. The problem is, lazy people don't expect better from themselves and would rather mooch and our society encourages this poor behavior.

    • BageAKumar 6 years ago

      Employment opportunities should be increased.

    • miaponzo 6 years ago

      I think people should work.. and if there is a way to get them work, whether it's for their benefits or for whatever... working is a good thing. Whatever the job!

    • Julia M S Pearce 6 years ago from Melbourne, Australia

      No, its not fair but it a complicated one, we have work for the dole here, whether this is working who knows.

    • kab 6 years ago from Upstate, NY

      There are times when leaning on your unemployment insurance is necessary, and assuming you've been working in the past, you've done your part to put the money there, however this system has broken down over time. People are abusing it. There needs to be incentive to working. In New York state, if a person on unemployment finds a part time job (which may parlay them into full-time employment) their unemployment benefit is offset in a way that causes them to work 3 days a week and earn less total then if they didn't work at all. This is a serious problem preventing people from even looking. The system is broken.

    • Tamara Kajari 6 years ago from Zagreb, Croatia, Europe

      Oh! This issue is irritating me for years! Really, when I look around my beautiful city and country as a whole, it makes me sad and angry how the state with its stupid acts (when it bothers to act) even encourages people not to work. Generally in my country, mostly as the inheritance of having socialism so long, now there are entire generations of people who get their checks from the state, doing NOTHING, even if the check is not enough for a decent living. Many of those people ARE able to work, but rather smoke and drink beer in pubs, complaining and being drunk. I honestly don't understand what keeps the state from organizing some public useful deals like roads maintenance, cleaning of parks or school yards, not to mention pulling weeds, painting public buildings etc. I'm talking about those who are able, but lazy, not about everyone. Fair system? No way :)

    • GiftsBonanza 6 years ago

      Oh this is a tough one... we have work for the dole in Australia and not sure that it is as successful as the government had hoped

    Yeah, I cant see any other way for it to work without penalizing the genuine claimants who do deserve to receive their benefits.

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      • anonymous 4 years ago

        Hi,I am 47yr old and got made redundant last 14months ago after 9year in a newsagent(shop shut due to not enough trade etc)I have worked nearly every year since leaving school at 16 year old!It does rile me when I read just get a job...believe me ..I have tried and tried,you name it...cleaner,shop assistant.,cattering,cloakroom..need I go on?All I want to say is-please do not judge doleites til you have been there and tried to get a job also trying to get full time-more than 24 hours a week is a nightmare!I agree maybe some do not want to work but I do!Also shops only offer 8 or 12 hr contracts so that they do not have to pay employers tax over16 hours and it makes the employment figures look good!And you get tax credits working less hours or something daft like that, Please think on the next time you critisise non workeing people!

      • anonymous 5 years ago

        Its better to work and it helps the ecobomy, whereas unemployment comes from tax dollars, so it makes it worse for everybody else.

      • simplyoasis 6 years ago

        In the USA if someone has benefits available it's because they've already been working enough to build up those benefits.

      • AbsoluteJeanius1 6 years ago

        I have an invisible disability and while I am not on unemployment, I have sympathy for the genuinely disabled who deserve their benefits.

      • LouisaDembul 6 years ago

        People who want to work, but don't find anything, deserve to be helped. How can they live otherwise? Unfortunately, there are always those who abuse a system.

      • Sandy Mertens 6 years ago from Frozen Tundra

        Sure there is that percentage of people who abuse it and give it a bad name. But the US is in a Recession and for those of us who have worked hard for years to find we are unemployed, it is a Depression. That tiny bit I have gotten, I am grateful and it has helped us keep a roof over our heads. I am no longer getting unemployment because according to the government, we are no longer a high unemployment state. Yet I still don't see the jobs. The majority of us are hard working people who are constantly looking for work.

      • Carol Goss 6 years ago

        I live in the US and am really glad we have unemployment benefits

      • TeacherSerenia 6 years ago

        Under normal cirumstances - ie when the economy is booming - then yes unemployed people should be working part time to be supported with unemployment benefots. The trouble is that right now (May 2011) there is a SEVERE RECESSION going on world wide and there simply are no jobs to be had for everyone so right now unemployment benefits are a necessary evil. The system MUST learn to be flexible.

      Being unemployed

      The harsh reality

      We know that losing our jobs is devastating, and we know that having access to certain benefits are a lifesaver to many families. Many families who have contributed to society and paid years of taxes. Receipt of benefits sometimes means survival.

      But anyone who has indeed received the basic government benefits know it is not a lot of money and indeed goes straight back to the economy on essentials for the family, leaving not much else. Living from benefit cheque to benefit cheque. This can be depressing, and still you have to go out and find a job.

      We know that the longer you are out of a job the harder it is to get a job. It is detrimental to mental health, self esteem and feelings of self worth, the longer the unemployment the harder it is to escape it.

      So surely the government could use this to their advantage.

      With 1,000s of jobs being cut in the government sector to pay for national debt, which includes unemployment costs. Then this could be given to business owners for them to be able to pay for keeping someone in work, or a "bridging Job" until full-time employment can be found.

      When you think of all those people sitting at home, able to work, willing to work, small businesses are shutting down, and more families being pushed to live on the breadline. It does raise some very good questions.

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      A question about your employment history

      Have you ever been unemployed

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      The Employed

      I have worked since the day I left school, I have been made redundant twice in my life, and been unemployed for around six months in total. I have always had a Career, but in fact one time I was made redundant I was so determined not to collect benefits, I took a local job, cleaning toilets, on a building site (I shiver every time I think of it!) not the most glamorous and certainly not a job I would want again, but it paid me money. I still had my house, my car and food on the table for me and my daughter, I did not want to become a statistic. now through that job, someone who was impressed by the manner I undertook such a dirty job, offered me a chance at a complete change of Career which I took. I probably would never have come across that person or that opportunity any other way. That career made me able to afford to buy my own home, car and lead a very good lifestyle.

      Is it better to have some sort of job

      Do you think it is better to take any sort of job, whilst searching for a new career

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      The Welfare Generation

      Has the government inadvertently created the "Welfare Generation"

      Has the governments benefit system set up initially to help families inadvertently created the "Welfare Generation"

      I have a friend who throughout her life has had several small jobs, but has spent most of her working life on benefits, her partner too. Have at times have appeared to have had more money about them than you and I and at Christmas you would think they are millionaires. Now their oldest has just "signed" on and is now receiving "job seekers Allowance" but chooses to spend all day around the house playing her computer, not actively seeking a job. She has watched her mum and dad do this for years, so what wrong with that? It is learned behavior and a vicious cycle, this teenager has no dreams aspirations or goals, and thinks she will go through life collecting money from the government....more reading here

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      A generation Raised on welfare - why bother?

      What do you think?

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      Job Seekers Allowance

      Back to Work Programmes

      Government's drive to tackle long term unemployment and benefit dependency, has seen the introduction of Job Seekers allowance, for unemployed, which means you need to

      To get Jobseeker's Allowance you must be:

      * available for, capable of and actively seeking work - visit the job centre 1 per week and produce evidence of how you have been looking for a job)

      * aged 18 or over but below State Pension age - only in special circumstances will they pay 16-17 year olds, trying to encourage further education or straight from school to working

      * working less than 16 hours per week on average

      * in Great Britain

      and they have also introduced a "back to work" programme for people who are claiming sickness benefits, but are on the border of, perhaps with the correct re-training and education and will provide support for hundreds of thousands of long term claimants.>

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      What does this mean?

      It means that the government is investing money into helping people back to work, helping the unemployed be accountable for looking for jobs, and catching the ones who are defrauding the system. Even the renaming of benefits is seen as a more positive name than "income Support" of Employment and Support Allowance replaces the old name Income Support, There are two types of ESA, work related category - meaning you will be provided with support to help you make your way back into work, a mandatory provision to keep receiving your benefit.

      And the support group, who are ill and deemed 100% completely unfit for any type of work, and excluded from taking part in this activity.

      I still believe it is the ones who want to work, and who are making efforts to find work already will suffer, and be continuously penalized because there continues to be the ones who manage to continue to fly under the radar gets away Scot free,

      There is a huge increase in Benefit fraud, the government knows this and have spent nearly £56 million on advertising about benefit fraud, so they know it is a BIG problem.

      There is even a national Benefit Fraud hot line and apparently cost the government " an estimated £900 million from public funds," and they appear to be winning with this campaign

      Benefit theft includes deliberately not telling if:

      * you are now living with a partner

      * you have started work, or about any earnings

      * about any savings or not telling us the right amount

      * children have left home

      * you have inherited money

      * you are going abroad, living abroad, or have changed address

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      Would you report someone?

      If you knew someone who was cheating the system would you report them

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          GiftsBonanza 6 years ago

          Really interesting topic and was definitely a hot topic here a few years ago when the Australian government introduced the work for the dole scheme. You never hear about it now, so not sure whether that means that everyone has accepted it or not, I'm not so sure.

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          CruiseReady 6 years ago from East Central Florida

          Unemployment benefits are far too liberal. The time that someone can collect should be shortened. These allowments should be dedigned to help fill the gap in an emergency, not create a permanent source of income.

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          UKGhostwriter 6 years ago

          A very hot topic, the thing that angers me is that those that deserve don't get and professional scroungers benefit instead

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          Tamara Kajari 6 years ago from Zagreb, Croatia, Europe

          I truly believe the only way any state can make any difference with this problem is by a serious decentralization of this system. Local communities should be equipped with highly educated and socially aware people (services) who would have to have all the powers they need to enforce their rules. Then maybe something good would happen. Maybe.

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          Susan Deppner 6 years ago from Arkansas USA

          Great topic for debate!

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