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Bubblews and HubPages: A Look At Two Online Writing Communities

Updated on September 26, 2014

Curiosity Killed the Cat

Yes, it was curiosity that led me to Bubblews one day last week. Quite a few of my friends at HubPages had made the switch to Bubblews, and I thought to myself what the heck, why not head over there and see what all the excitement is about.

After one week I am left with an old saying my dad used to share with me. No matter how well you dress a pig, at the end of the day it is still a pig.

I have never hidden the fact that I am a writing snob. In fact, I am proud of it. I believe writing is a craft, an art, and as such it should be treated with respect and tender loving care. I don’t much care whether you are writing for Bubblews or HubPages or for your college professor; the goal should always be to improve the craft.

Why? Seriously? Because ignorance is overrunning our society today, and we need all the beauty we can find, and a perfectly crafted story is beauty.

Why? Seriously? Because we live in a society built around convenience and instant gratification, and there is something to be said for working hard for quality results.

So what did I find during my sojourn to Bubblews?

More on Bubblews

My thoughts on Bubblews
My thoughts on Bubblews

What Is Bubblews?

Without going into detail, Bubblews is another of the ever-increasing online writing communities where you get paid to write. Ads are placed on your writings and you get paid a percentage depending on the amount of traffic you bring to the site. Every single time you click on someone else’s article you get paid. Every single time you comment or hit the “like” button or someone else clicks on your article, you get paid. The more you become a part of the community and the more you interact, the more you get paid.

In truth I made more in one day on Bubblews than I make in three days on HubPages, so it did not take me long to understand why so many writers are making the switch. Those who are chasing passive income are finding that payouts are much faster on Bubblews than on HubPages, and they are also finding that there are fewer hoops to jump through on Bubblews.

There seems to be only one requirement on Bubblews and that is that your article must be at least 400 characters. You do not have to add pictures or polls or tables or videos or any of the other nonsense that HubPages leans so heavily on. You simply kick out 400 characters on any subject and then start playing the community game, gathering views and clicks and likes and storing them away in your account.

You most definitely do not have to worry yourself over inane concerns like writing skill.

Some helpful tips for HubPages

Contemplating life on HubPages
Contemplating life on HubPages

My Impressions

The first thing that struck me, and it struck me with hurricane force, is that quality is neither valued nor devalued on Bubblews. I read some incredibly bad articles during my week there, and I mean so bad that they would have received an F from me if I were grading them in one of my middle school classrooms. Spelling errors, grammatical errors, errors in logic and errors in basic intelligence, all were on display on Bubblews, gathering clicks from the faithful and increasing the bank proceeds.

Of course, the same can be said for HubPages. The only difference is that HubPages puts a dress on the pig rather than allow it to run around naked.

No matter how well you dress a pig, at the end of the day it is still a pig.

Thanks, Dad, and I totally agree.

No, I am not a HubPages snob. Make no mistake about it, HubPages does not concern itself one iota with quality control. The quality of writing is not important at HP nor is it important at Bubblews. At HP it is infinitely more important that all the capsules be used, and that keywords be used, and that articles are “Google friendly.” At Bubblews it is only important how many people you can entice to read your article and quality be damned.

No matter how well you dress a pig, at the end of the day it is still a pig.

Which do you prefer, HubPages or Bubblews?

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So Now What?

Well, I’ll answer that question by first stating that if you are in this only to make some passive income, your best odds are with Bubblews. Your share of the ad income is larger there, and the potential for income is greater there, provided they don’t burn out and disappear in the near future. The other attractive feature for those of you in search of income alone is that you don’t have to expend so much effort writing articles. 400 words is a piece of cake, and even the most challenged writers can kick out two or three of those articles in a day and increase income.

Having said all that, I will stay at HubPages. I don’t have the time to be an active member of two sites, so HP is my choice. Make no mistake about it, I am not staying with HP because I love the site because I do not. I don’t give a damn about the pennies they pay in passive income; in fact, I find it a bit insulting, and I find their condescending tone and attitude to be insulting as well.

No, I will continue to write for HP because that is where my friends are, and friendship is one of the qualities I hold most dear. HubPages is where I got my start. It is where some very compassionate people who were HP veterans took a chance on a fledgling writer and showered him with support until he gained confidence in his writing abilities.

I will stay with HubPages because of you, my followers and friends, and for no other reason.

I do not need HubPages, or Bubblews, to become a better writer, and that is my goal, to be the best writer I can possibly be. Neither site does anything to help me in that undertaking; in fact, I don’t think they are capable of helping me in that undertaking.

So it is and so it shall be. The true value of HP is the congregation of good people who also believe that writing is a craft. They work that craft, and they struggle as all writers do, and at the end of the day they dig down deep and find the time and desire to reach out to other writers and lift them up when they are struggling.

I am proud to be a part of the HubPages Community, and here I shall remain, despite the fact that there are a whole lot of pigs walking around the site wearing dresses.

AUTHOR'S NOTE: Since I wrote this over a month ago, I received, for the most part, positive feedback. There were several readers, though, who felt I was attacking Bubblews,and that simply is not the case. I am attacking poor writing no matter where you might find it. The pig in my references represents writing of substandard quality. As a former teacher I am tired of nouns and vowels masquerading as real writing. Writing is so much more than that, and as an art form should be treated with respect. I apologize if somehow I insulted someone; that certainly was not my intention.

2013 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

“Helping writers to spread their wings and fly.”

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      Anna Haven 3 years ago from Scotland

      I see you practice what you preach Bill. That was an excellent introduction.

      I haven't looked at it yet.

      Your article was full of fire and passion for your cause.....which is to forward that fine craft of skillful writing.

      Brilliant article highlighting the real highs an lows of online writing. Not the surface ink.

      Anna :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Anna! Now that I've preached about introductions you better believe I pay attention to mine. LOL

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      Mary Hyatt 3 years ago from Florida

      I am so happy to get your view on Bubblews. I am still "on the fence" about that site. I know a lot of my Hubber friends have gone there and I do wish them luck. I don't see how they can keep up with all the new traffic and paying all the writers, (which seems to be a concern now).

      I value your opinion, Bill.

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      Jackie Lynnley 3 years ago from The Beautiful South

      Well that answered my question! lol It is a shame though that there is no rhyme or reason at Hp! Most of our scores are down and we learn to accept it while someone else writes the same thing, not near as often and rides a 90 to the top. That never fails to bother me and maybe because I was always an honor student I know I do not deserve a "C" here! Most of us have given so much time and effort and you may say well Hp wants what they want, but why do they or their "bots" reward some so differently than others for the same thing? This is what has taken hubbers away and it will finally be their downfall I will about bet you. You can only stomp even a faithful dog so many times.

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      The word count is 400 Characters which averages around 80-100 words sometimes more, sometimes less, NOT 400 words.

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      Georgianna Lowery 3 years ago from Lubbock, TX

      I'm not sure what the point of BubbleWS is, unless they're just trying to get as much traffic as they can with the crap they allow to be published there. Google will catch on eventually, so I hope folks don't look at that site as a long term source of income.

      I would also like to add that, should you find your work stolen by someone and published on BubbleWS, that the staff there will not return your requests for removal. Between them and filing Google DMCA's, I've been trying to get one of my best Hubs taken off of BubbleWS for a week. Not exactly a place I want to work for.

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      Janine Huldie 3 years ago from New York, New York

      Thank you for sharing this. Seriously, I don't have the time like you to join another writing platform. I am barely having time to keep up with all I have going now, but I have heard so much about Bubblews that I am so glad you explained more here and broke it down. Thank you Bill for that and like you won't be going there anytime soon!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Mary! I just think it is silly that people get paid for substandard writing. I want no part of it.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jackie, I totally agree with you. I think HP has really missed the boat with their actions and good writers will leave them....but they are not concerned with good writing; only writing that conforms to their hub standards.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Linda! I stand corrected, but it really doesn't change the message of this article.

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      Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

      I've the same impression of Bubblews, Bill. I wrote one bubble--or whatever you call it--and haven't the heart yet to do another. I know there are some quality articles there, but they are the exception rather than the rule IMHO.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Georgie, thanks for sharing your experience. I think there is a great deal wrong there, but as long as they keep paying money for crap they will get a lot of crap. LOL

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Janine! I understand why some Hubbers are heading there, but Bubblews has nothing that I want.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      wish-list....thanks! I got a chuckle out of that line too. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I think so too, Randy! It's the writing world we live in now; substandard work gets paid if you play the SEO game....but I refuse to play it. Thanks for stopping by, buddy!

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 3 years ago from The Caribbean

      Bill, thank you for this article. I visited the other site, but perhaps compared it with HP and found it a bit confusing. Anyway, I'm also staying with HP despite the fact that today for the first time, they labeled my recent hub "not featured." I like the fact that only quality articles get featured; and I still trust that their rating standard is in the interest of good writing, and nothing else. Apart from all that, your staying here influence me to stay here. I want to be where you are.

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      carol stanley 3 years ago from Arizona

      i have been waiting for your critique and almost couldn't sleep last nite. HAHA... However, I see your point, and I read some of the articles on Bubblew. Wow..I could write better in my sleep. I am also concerned about the company..when you don't get a response with a problem...not good. I wrote several articles a few months ago and then could not access..I mentioned this before. So if you can turn out 5 or 6 per day..and run about several hundred articles you will make some money..I am still amazed that my views here at hub have more than doubled..however the money...is pretty pathetic...But like you I still stick around for the friendships..like yours. Great analysis and THe pig needs a new dress.

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      Shauna L Bowling 3 years ago from Central Florida

      Nice review, Bill. I can see why so many hubbers have run over to the other side of the fence, but from what I've seen, I'm not interested. You're right about the quality. I've only read a few articles that were interesting and well written. And to be honest, to read an article that is nothing but prose is a tad dull. I like the interactive tools HP offers us. Using them gives me skills I can use in the web-building world and web content writing world.

      I, too, am here for the community. I've made so many awesome friends and have even gained a mentor (hmmmm, who might that be????). My loyalty is with my HP comrades. I have no intention of leaving HP. Besides, I think I look pretty damn good in my Miss Piggy dress! :-)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Awww, Dora, thank you so much. That was such a kind thing for you to say. It is people like you that keep me here at HP....I value your friendships and loyalty....why leave friends for a few extra dollars per month? Makes no sense to me.

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      As more writers go to Bubblews, the content is getting better. Hey, it is easy to make $25 there in a matter of days. I don't post a lot, so I make payout at least monthly, which is received within 7 days rather than having to wait another month or two.

      Right now, I have earned less than $1 this month at HP, while getting ready to request my 6 payment at Bubblews. In fact, in 2 years, I have not met the minimum at HP.

      As long as Bubblews pays me, I will continue there.

      One thing I will tell writers is that although you can link your bubblews posts to hubs, etc, don't expect traffic from there. The views, etc are all from members.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carol, it was funny that so many people thought I had left HP for Bubblews. Nothing could have been further from my mind. I just wanted to try it out and find out why so many good writers were leaving for it....now I have tried it and I can give an informed opinion....and my opinion is that it is crap. LOL Thank you my friend, and you are truly a friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sha, I need to get some repairs done to my dress, but I think I look pretty good in passion pink, don't you? LOL

      Thanks my mentoree. :) I love my friends here and I'm not going anywhere.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, I actually agree with you. If you are in this to make money then Bubblews is the spot. I get it....with that purpose it would be silly to stick around HP. Good luck to you there.

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      Deborah Neyens 3 years ago from Iowa

      The eagerly awaited comparison article! You are so right, Bill. So much of what is at Bubblews is absolute crap, people just vomiting words onto the screen as fast as they can to make a few pennies. (One correction, the requirement is 400 characters, not 400 words, and some seem to struggle to even get that much written.) So much of it is simply painful to read, although I have discovered a few new quality writers there.

      While I have made almost as much there in 6 days as I have here all month, I'd like to think my articles here will have more staying power and over the long haul will perform better in terms of passive income. But time will tell.

      A few other observations, Bubblews can be a huge time suck just to achieve the level of interaction that seems necessary to do well on the site. Who needs another time suck? Also, the site interface here is much better, the notification system much more manageable, and I could go on and on.

      Finally, in the end, online writing isn't going to be how I make a living. It will be print publication and I am using my online portfolio to help me get there. I put a lot of work into my hubs and use all of those capsules, etc., to end up with a visually-appealing, magazine-like piece. I am proud of my work on Hubpages and am happy to share it with editors looking for writing samples. I can't even imagine directing a magazine editor to Bubblews. I'm a little embarrassed to be there among some of the crap that is there. Ew is right.

      Is that a little harsh? : )

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deb, no harsher than my critique and I agree with you completely. I am proud of my work at HP too, and whether I get paid or not does not affect the quality of my writing.....this is about quality to me and I don't want my name attached to a substandard site. :) Keep doing what you are doing my friend; it's working.

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      Hawaiian Odysseus 3 years ago from Southeast Washington state

      Bill, you are the lead role in a remake of "To Sir, With Love," and if what you do equates to being a snobbish writer, then in the throwback words of a sixties-nostalgic baby boomer--

      "Right on, right on, right on!"

      Seldom have I ever chosen to use the entire range of the HP accolades. FUNNY doesn't usually seem appropriate for an otherwise stellar yet serious piece. In this case, your hub took the coconut pudding cake, and I am proud, happy, and resolute in going across the board. In contemporary and trite colloquialisms, "Awesome!" and "Dude!"

      I'm media-rizing this one and sharing it with my neck of the HP neighborhood and I encourage others to be open to doing the same. We rarely come across a review laden with honesty and integrity yet presented in an excellent satiric style like this gem.

      I'll go see if I can throw in a few C- to A+ paragraphs together for Bubblews. Why? Because HP ain't paying me crap, Billy!

      But like a good old local boy from the islands, I never forget my roots, and once bitten by the compelling draw of solid connections with other fine writers--let alone magnificent human beings--here in Hubsville, I know where HOME is.

      One last thing...Olympia needs to share more of its tax base with you in the form of a community-based school for aspiring writers of any age.

      Thanks for sharing this memorable piece, Bill, and for bringing my rebellious youth out of the antique closet again. I love you, man, as much as a red-blooded American heterosexual man can love another in this ridiculous politically correct day and age we live in.

      Aloha!

      ~Joe

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      Deborah Neyens 3 years ago from Iowa

      After reading Joe's comment, it reminded me of a feature that Bubblews has that I do like: You can "like" a comment. Joe, consider your comment "liked." : )

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      Barbara Kay Badder 3 years ago from USA

      Bill, You only need 400 characters, not 400 words. One paragraph will do. My posts there make me feel like I'm somehow degrading my writing. I've written 8 and I'm having problems writing anymore, because I feel that way

      My first post there was rather long. I got a comment from a lady saying that Bubblews isn't the place for long articles. They like little snippets. In my opinion, writing there isn't writing at all.

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      Linda Compton 3 years ago from The Land of Enchantment

      Thank you, Sir William, for once again sharing you heart & values with clarity and passion. You are a rousing inspiration! Love to you and your beautiful muse :o)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...thanks Deb, for liking Joe...he's worth it.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Barbara and I think I changed that in the post...400 characters....as for Bubblews...no thanks. I just feel like I've lowered my standards when I post there.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Aww, thanks Linda! At my age why in the world would I lower my standards? I refuse to be part of any "get rich quick"scheme that devalues writing.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Joe, I think it's okay to say that in this all-inclusive society we live in today. LOL

      Thanks buddy. I actually think your ebay articles would do well at Bubblews....whip up a couple paragraphs each day and post them...it takes all of five minutes to post an article over there and you might make a few more bucks....just don't leave us here because "we love you, man."

      Seriously, buddy, this is where my roots are and I'm big on roots.

      Aloha

      bill

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      DabbleYou 3 years ago

      Nice view of the site, but don't you think it's a little harsh calling a site a pig with a dress? hehehe.

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      Wayne Barrett 3 years ago from Clearwater Florida

      Thanks Bill. Bookmarked that site but haven't tried it. Idon't really need the extra money that bad, so what's the point.

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      Debra Allen 3 years ago from West By God

      Well after being snubbed by HP I did make an account at Bubblews. I did find some bad articles and you know what....you can flag them just like you can here. You don't have to stick to only 400 characters. you can write a whole lot more. They do have moderators over at Bubblews too. They also have rules almost the same as here. I have already had a payout and I have only been there for 3 weeks. It took me 3 years to make my first payout here. You got it all wrong!

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      CraftytotheCore 3 years ago

      I've never been to Bubblews but I do have to say the money sounds enticing. It's very hard for me to focus on more than one site at one time because I have a lot going on online and offline. I too will stay at HP for now because I have made friends here also. But honestly, I'm starting to feel like my efforts writing here aren't going to ever make payout. I keep at it though in hopes that my diligence will pay off someday.

      I find the people on HP to be really friendly. That's one reason I like it here. I would miss you all if I went somewhere else.

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      Pamela Oglesby 3 years ago from United States

      I think Bublews is more like Facebook. It seems like a social network that can be fun. I just checked it out a couple of days ago and yes, there is some poor quality writing. Some of it is just plain socializing I think. Hubpages certainly has more quality articles, but there are some poor articles here and some mediocre poetry also. I would not write serious articles on Blbblews, but I don't necessarily think it is bad as a social site. Take what you like and ignore the rest is my guide.

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      Nathan Bernardo 3 years ago from California, United States of America

      I really like your approach to this issue of Bubblews over Hubpages. I agree with what you've said here, but my approach is different. I'm not saying this to be contradictory or difficult, I'm just stating why my actions are different in regards to the two sites: To me, it's not either/or. I know you stated you don't have time for two sites, so that is sound and reasonable. However, I do both sites. And, to be honest, the money I get from Bubblews has been desperately needed, pretty much monthly. It's picked up the slack.

      As far as why I joined Bubblews, there are two main reasons: I appreciated and agreed with the philosophy of the CEO. Secondly, we get paid for what we do there. Why I stayed is because I genuinely enjoy it. I spontaneously come up with posts, which is a joy because I can flow freely with what I'm writing, and have made Internet friendships there and the interaction is most often pleasant and genuine.

      As far as quality, you are absolutely correct. I agree with you that writing is a craft and ought to be respected and refined. And I agree the writing on Bubblews, by and large, is horrific. There are some posts I can't stand to read. But I don't treat the site as a writing site. It's a different thing. It's experimental to a great extent, it's social networking, and it's meant to be an open door to everyone. I think it's a movement away from social media getting people's content for free; I think it has little to do with writing sites.

      Having said all that, everything you've said here is reasonable, and you are right: Hubpages has an incredible community. And everything you've said, as always, is from the heart and sound: One of the main things I like about your work; always well-crafted and well-conveyed, with, always, your heart in it. Thanks again, Bill.

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      Thank you!!! Yes, and it is not even 400 words, it is 400 characters for goodness sake!!! Absurd. Sure we could go over there and just type up some little short 400 character piece of junk (or even quality) and get all of our friends to comment to get paid, but that is NOT what writing is all about. I looked at it too, and no thank you. Sure, it would be nice to have a little bit extra to pay for the medical bills piling up, but it boils down to why does one write! What we write should be something memorable to at least one or two persons who happen to read ... something from our heart and touches another person deeply in some form or fashion, or make us laugh, cry or be swept away. I know that some will write a good quality 400 character or more piece, but how long will that site last?

      I am so frustrated right now with HP, however, it is , as you state, the community of loving people and those who write with a passion, and all of the friends here who take the time to truly care for one another and lift each other up that make the site a wonderful community, but on the other hand, HP has really let us down, those that work tirelessly to write something with heart and meaning, and possibly help another person, or make a difference in this world. And when I see where some here still are able to somehow publish poor quality work, plus not even on here much, then all of a sudden their score jumps up .... well, there you go! Just as Jackie has stated, I always had a 4.0 grade point average in school and was inducted into the National Honor Society and graduated summa cum laude, so I know when I deserve an A or an F. All of my hubs are featured and evergreen as they can be (and I still go back and improve on them)... and I understand HP has been hit hard, but it may be its own fault and why many are leaving. I will stay here for reasons you have stated, for friends like you. And, yes, the pigsty is what it is indeed!

      A big hug to you on this one, Faith Reaper

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DabbleYou, I was being generous. LOL....and HP is the one in the dress. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, Wayne, that is the point now isn't it? If money isn't the issue then there really is no reason to try Bubblews. Thanks my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Lady. I appreciate you sharing your opinion but from my standpoint no, I didn't get it wrong. You got it right fro your point of view and I respect that. I would expect the same from you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Crafty, it's a tough call for those who are trying to make money. There are some good writers at HP who make a lot of money, especially craft writers....but there are also some very good writers at HP who make no money....it's really a flip of the coin. Good luck to you whatever you decide.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Without a doubt, Pamela. I am not too crazy about either of the sites, but I love the friends I have at HP, and since I only have time for one site, this is where I will stay.

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      Sharon Smith 3 years ago from Northeast Ohio USA

      Really good points Billy. It was only yesterday that I finally wondered onto Bubblews but did not sign up. I still might but it's difficult to find the time. For me, I am intrigued by being able to put something out there in much less time than it would take me on HP. And of course, I personally would be extremely conscious that whatever I put on Bubblews is of high quality. It does bother me that the sight has some really bad stuff and yet depending on clicks, that really bad stuff makes the same money that I could make. I'm thinking that I may try it only because I'm feeling desperate to let some of my creativity out and just don't have the time lately. So I'd be using it as a "release" of sorts. But regardless, HP will still be my home.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nate, thank you my friend and I respect all opinions on this. My whole gig is quality writing....and if quality writers make money on Bubblews then I think that is fantastic. And I certainly understand that those who really need money would go to Bubblews...their payouts are much better.

      I greatly appreciate your opinion, Nate, and I also appreciate your writing.

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      Richard Bivins 3 years ago from Charleston, SC

      Billy, in my opinion, you cannot compare Hubpages to Bubblews in respect to writing. Your mistake is that at Bubblews, you are not paid to write, you are paid to socialize. Bubblews is a bridge between blogging and micro blogging. It is more personal which is why it is valued more by its members. For me, I enjoy sharing knowledge and I don't really care what platform it is on. As long as my writing is tight, I don't really care how others write as long as they get their message across. At my income level, the revenue earned at Bubblews is minuscule but for some it is a lifesaver. I cannot tell you how many people have came here to HP with the hopes of being able to pay some bills with their writing only to find out they're only going to make a few cents a day. Compare that revenue earning potential at Bubblews where by posting your personal thoughts, poems, recipes, and even some bubbles of knowledge, while also connecting with others and being social, and you have the potential to earn several dollars per day. No, it's not a lot by any measure but to some it is the difference between buying some extra food or purchasing the medication that their insurance will not cover. Bubblews is not a site for writers, it's a site for bloggers and socializing. Really, what kind of good writing can you possibly get from a minimum of 400 characters?

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      Elizabeth Parker 3 years ago from Las Vegas, NV

      I'm so glad that you wrote this. I joined bubblews and just wrote a small article, planning to go back the next day and never did. Of course, I'd love to make money, but I just don't have the time (right now) to write on multiple sites, plus write, edit novels, etc. So thank you for your candid opinion. I won't say I'll never make the switch to bubblews, but for now, I'm sticking with hubpages. Wonderfully written too Bill!

      Thanks,

      Liz

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Faith, I love it. Not for agreeing with me but for the passion in your opinion. HP has let us down..there is no doubt about it at all. Good writing is not rewarded at HP and that is very disappointing. I think there is a place in online writing for good writing, but HP is not that place....and yet I will stay here because I love the community. People like you are why I am here and here I will stay.

      blessings and a hug for you

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sharyn, and that was my whole point....I am much more concerned with quality of writing, no matter which site. If someone just wants to make money, then I respect that, but I don't respect sub-standard writing labeled with the name "writing."

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks livewithrichard....I respect your opinion and appreciate you sharing it. However, there are some writers who make great money on HP....as in hundreds of dollars per month...so it is possible. I'm just not one of those writers. LOL I can live with that.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Liz! Bubblews is what it is, and they are evidently successful at it, and that's all great. I have nothing against the philosophy of Bubblews or HP...but I do have something against sub-standard writing being labeled as writing.

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      Donna Hilbrandt 3 years ago from Upstate New York

      Well, I too was enticed by bubblews. I posted a handful of short pieces, things that were not long enough for Hubpages. The pennies are rolling in, but a lot of the writing there is so bad that I don't want to waste my time reading it. I connected to a few writers, many are fellow hubbers. I'll check in there and post on occasion until I hit the payout, but I don't have the heart for it either. I find the community at hubpages to be a bit more genuine. The bubblers are connecting and clicking without true engagement, and there is something off about that. I'll be sticking to hubpages too.

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      Russ Moran 3 years ago from Long Island, New York

      As we have all learned to expect, Master Bill, your words of wisdom nail a lot of great points. I heard about bubblews from one of your recent blogs. I signed up but haven't posted anything yet. I agree with some of the sentiments here that bubblews is really social media, more akin to facebook than HP, the difference being that you get paid for your posts on bubblews. Yes, a lot of wrteched writing there, but the same goes for HP. Thanks for a truly informative hub. Russ Moran

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Donnah, I almost found Bubblews to be a bit manic in the approach. Click, click, click....I'll bet most of those posts aren't even read. Why bother? you get paid for clicks and not reading. :) Thanks and I'm glad you are staying with us.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Russ, thanks buddy. That really is my whole point...there is retched writing on both sites and that is what bothers me more than anything else. I don't believe wretched writing should be rewarded. :)

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      Poetic Fool 3 years ago

      I agree with most everything you've said here. I'm on both sites now and all things being equal I would prefer to stay on HubPages for the same reasons you've cited. Unfortunately, most of my writing is creative, poetry in particular. HP's business model is clearly devaluing creative writing. Some would say they are going as far as to push creative writers out. I can't say if that is true or not but it sure feels like it.

      So, I am slowly moving my poems off HP and to Bubblews or my blog because at least there they will have a chance to be seen. Since HP has seen fit to de-index them through their QAP, my traffic has dropped to an all time low. Revenues have dropped proportionately, of course. Not that revenue is a driving factor in my writing. If it were, I wouldn't be writing in the genre I do!

      If Bubblews helps my work get seen and I get paid more passive income, then all the better. It's a shame really because I do treasure the friends I've developed here in the HP community. Unfortunately, the community is not what it once was due to all the attrition. Fortunately, a lot of them are making the move elsewhere too so I can still manage to stay in touch.

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      lovedoctor926 3 years ago

      Good review Bill. Thank you so much for sharing openly and honestly. I think Bubblews is more like Triond. I don't think you are a writing snob, but even if you were, you have every right to be because you are one of the best writers here on hubpages. I signed up for that site out of curiosity as well, but didn't get a good vibe either. I also think that my writing skills are above average and so that site is not for me. Hubpages all the way baby! The expression on your face is hilarious! I think the image that you used is perfect for this hub. Also, I can't stop laughing with the pig in the dress picture. As far as bad quality writing, I agree with you on that. I have read some poorly written articles too.

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      Lori Colbo 3 years ago from Pacific Northwest

      I have written for three other writing venues and have stuck with HP (3 yrs) because of the very reason you mentioned. None of the others have a community interaction like our beloved HP. I would love to make more money, but money is not my reason for writing here. I do it because the rules are not so rigid, although I admit, that is an open door to be sloppy. But I take care to write what I hope is quality stuff. There are no deadlines, no requirements to pound out a certain amount of hubs in a certain amount of time.

      I rarely get a hub done in one day. I take my time to research, find quality images, and all the rest. I am now going through old hubs and cleaning them up and improving on them and by doing so I can see how far I've come in my writing skills.

      I probably won't look into bubblews if it has such a plethora of bad writings. I want to be affiliated with a reputable writing commuity. Thanks for your hub here BB. Nice job.

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      Heidi Thorne 3 years ago from Chicago Area

      You knew I'd be checking in, right?

      Okay, here's my take on all these revenue share writing sites. I had never tried one before HP and was referred to it by a top blogger (Darren Rowse aka Problogger). I was instantly in love! The platform is way easier than WordPress and it's a great "hub" (pardon the pun) for all my content that doesn't fit neatly into the mission of my other two blogs. Getting a few bucks from posting on it was a bonus (and it's better than AdSense on a few of my other sites). What it meant is that I could have another significant presence on the web WITHOUT the huge investment that a professional blog takes.

      In all reality, it's not the platform, it's how you perform on it. Saying HP doesn't make you money is like saying WordPress or HTML suck because they don't make money. They're all just tools.

      Like you, I'm using HP to expand some areas and get the word out on my other offerings and web properties. I've gained new followers and book buyers (my Amazon book sales show it).

      And these sites that try to span the chasm between social media and content? Ditch 'em. Clicking on stupid Like buttons and such will become as exciting as checking on Foursquare after about 4 months. (Is anyone STILL trying to become a Foursquare mayor?)

      I'm encouraged that HP is concerned about Google scoring (sorry that doesn't help the creative writers in our midst). If one wants to be found online, you must provide content people are searching for, as well as present it in a way that makes Google work for you.

      'Nuff said.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Poetic Fool, I especially feel for poets....and if you can make money on Bubblews then I think that's where your poems should be. At least there is some sort of appreciation for the poetry over there that is monetary in nature. It's a shame that fine poetry is not rewarded.

      Thanks for your great comment and viewpoint.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Doc, that's really my whole point. I hate bad writing and I don't think bad writing deserves a penny. Just my snobbish opinion. LOL

      An dyes, you are a good writer. :)

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      Mark G Weller 3 years ago from Lake Charles, LA.

      A Great review Bill, I browsed that site briefly, but did not join. I might put a couple there and see what it is about for myself, but your review and the comments here pretty much say it all!

      Love ya Bro, Mark

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hi lambservant, and thanks for stopping by and sharing your opinions on writing. I think that's my biggest thing, other than being loyal to my friends here...I just don't want to be associated with bad writing in any way, shape or form. :)

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      Bad writing? I guess some just overlook the bad writing on HP!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Oh Heidi, you had me laughing with that one. Love your line "it's not the platform, it's how you perform on it." Perfectly stated from a marketing guru. Thank you my friend and happy hunting on that platform of yours.

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      lovedoctor926 3 years ago

      Thank you Billy for your nice compliment.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nope, Linda...not overlooked at all....pig in a dress reference. That's my whole point....I hate bad writing.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      My pleasure Doc!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I think you should, Mark, but plan on spending time there and becoming an active part of the community because that's where the money comes from. Thanks as always buddy!

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      Melissa Propp 3 years ago from Minnesota

      I checked it out and I saw the mix of good and bad articles. I think it is more of a social site, like Facebook. I made a few posts and made more money in 2 days than I make in a month here. And you are correct, the posts I made were not particularly great examples of quality writing. It felt more like journaling or chatting. I definitely felt less pressure and it was something I could do on my lunch break. Plus I found several other hubbers and I enjoyed that too.

      I won't leave hubpages because of the community. I might even eventually do a few more hubs, since its been quite a while. But I think I will keep visiting bubblews for a while longer. I've never gotten a payout from any site, and I'd love to see how it feels! :)

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      HP has become ridiculous. I have seen writers who complain about it being difficult to get a hub published due to various reasons such as poor content. I have had the same issue and just post my article elsewhere instead of playing the HP games. Yet, I see junk, one paragraph of nothing, the usual gibberish, poor everything get published. Doesn't make sense when HP constantly claims they want quality content. I guess our definition of quality is different than HP's definition which apparently means crap content. Then of course there is the rest of the nonsense here of deindexing hubs, etc. Bust your butt to write decent content just to earn pennies a month here is crazy. No wonder people are hopping aboard the Bubblews train. Poorly written content, lousy grammar, is not against their rules and they will readily admit that it isn't a problem they have poor writers. At least they admit to it, and pay if you follow the few rules they do have. Follow the rules at HP and get your hubs deindexed, not published at all.

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      Angie Jardine 3 years ago from Cornwall, land of the eternally youthful mind ...

      Hi Bill - thanks for this concise breakdown of Bubblews (such an annoying name!).

      I have lost so much faith in HP that I thought I would take a peek at Bubblews but frankly I was presented with so much horrific dross that I can’t see the site lasting. Surely Google will dump it at the bottom of the deepest listing before long?

      My revenue at HP is now derisory and because of this I no longer write here but simply maintain my hubs. I hate the 'bells and whistles' capsules of this site and rarely read anything on it anymore. Too many long hubs, TMI, frankly.

      This hub, however, made it through my rigorous vetting system … and I’m glad it did. You did the research and wrote the hub … so I don’t have to. Like you, I’m staying put!

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      Maria Magdalena Ruiz O'Farrill 3 years ago from Borikén the great land of the valiant and noble Lord

      You are so honest Bill...you have me in tears. How much love is in your words. How much help you are providing unconditionally. Hugs my friend. I will share this hub everywhere. We decided to have our own spot to write, for now I am working with a page linking my hubs.

      Oh, you make me cry and laugh at the same time...your are so human. I met that pig from my grandmother.

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      stephanieb27 3 years ago from United States

      I've seen a lot of people posting on here about Bubblews but have yet to check it out. I'm a little hesitant to start with a new company. Glad you posted your opinions on HP! :)

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 3 years ago from Norfolk

      Hello Billy, I am not sure about pigs wearing dresses but my Mum was often heard to use that lovely old fashioned expression, 'You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear and I do believe she was dead right.

      I took a trip over to Bubblewes and like yourself, earned more in a few days than it took for the ink to dry. We all want to earn money for our writing. For myself, it was the motivation but sadly, Hubpages is not the place to earn money. I started here and I do feel some sense of loyalty to HubPages but perhaps it is not reciprocated, otherwise why would so many of us feel the need to go tripping off to some other place?

      I value your opinion and I am glad you have voiced yours here Billy. I It gives me something to mull over. Thank you Billy.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Melissa, you will definitely get a payout, and with your schedule and the little amount of time you have to write, it just might be the perfect place for you. I'm all for good writers making money. :) Thanks for sharing your experience.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, we are in complete agreement...that's why I said the only reason I'm on HP is because of my friends. HP has done nothing to help me other than give me a free platform, but I'm fine with that. The relationships I have here are priceless to me.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL....Angie, thank you for using the word 'dross.' What a great description. I'm glad I made it through your vetting system. I feel honored...seriously. :) Best of luck to you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Maria, maybe some day we can meet in person and cry and laugh together. You are such a refreshingly honest person and you wear your emotions on your sleeve and I love it.

      love and blessings my friend

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Steph, go take a look at see what you think. I'd love to hear your opinions on it. In the meantime, thank you for taking the time to read my little rant.

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      Billybuc: HP isn't the only ship being jumped. They are jumping ship on Squidoo as well. Some keep a few articles, or what they have left, but are not adding any new ones. Some keep their account open simply to be able to go to the forums. Squidoo doesn't deindex, they simply lock articles. One person had 800 articles locked, others their entire accounts have been locked. These sites have the attitude that we need them, rather than they need us! Without writers, they don't have a site.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sally, thank you for that and I agree with your statement that many are leaving because the loyalty is not reciprocated. The biggest mistake HP is making is not appreciating and rewarding quality writing.....that's just my opinion but I'm convinced I'm right. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, I love your statement that they have the attitude that we need them....I feel no such need and I'm sure you don't either. I find HP to be insulting most of the time and demeaning as well....but amazingly, I find many Hubbers to be remarkable in their loyalty and appreciation for good writing. Quite the dilemma. :)

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      Marlene Bertrand 3 years ago from Northern California, USA

      Exactly! Bill, that's why I am a loyal follower. A lot of my writer friends are at Bubblews. By the way, how is that pronounced with the "ws" at the end? Anyway, after looking at the sight, I came away with the same conclusions as you. Truth be told - I only signed up with Bubblews so I could officially "Follow" you. Thanks so much for your confirmation. I'll hang tight here at HubPages, too.

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      Connie Smith 3 years ago from Southern Tier New York State

      Billy, I agree that Bubblews is not what it should be by any means. I was quite disappointed when I posted an article and found that a 'connection' had been established with someone whose post's link did not even work. And yet, there were 200+ likes or whatever you call them! It left me with a very sour taste in my mouth.

      It's the old 'it's not what you know, but how many you know that counts' deal.

      That site will go down in flames very shortly if Google has anything to say about it ;) Pearl

      Voted Up++++

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      Well, while those bash bubblews, I can say this:

      I just sent in for my 7th payment since Feb.

      I have not met one payout in 2 years with HP. It looks like I might reach it in 2 more years.

      The other platforms, such as Wizzley and Seekyt, I have earned zero.

      I think with a few sales, I may have earned $10 total at Squidoo in 6 months

      While some laugh at those like myself, I am laughing all the way to the bank.

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      Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales

      This week I visited Bubblews more out of curiosity than anything and while yes it seemed great and many seemed to enjoy their time on there I know for a fact that I will never ever find anywhere else what I have here on HPs.

      Since my first hub three year ago I have grown as a person and writer ; the words have poured out and I found ME.

      On here I have what I treasure ;true and genuine friends who mean the world.

      I can understand why many are switching ;and I also left once but not for long ;I hankered after the community and my friends; so I returned and never to leave again.

      Material wealth mean little to me and here I am staying while thanking all the support and care that is on HubPages.

      A wonderful hub as always Billy and lots of love from my little corner of Wales.

      Eddy.

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      Debra Allen 3 years ago from West By God

      Thank you LindaSmith. Short articles don't mean they aren't every bit as good as long ones nor do they mean that they aren't quality.

      BTW, I have been at HP 5 years now and others that have stopped writing for them have mentioned that BUBBLws is just like it was here all those years ago.

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      Lady Gunevere: YW! I watch for new members from HP, Squidoo, etc and I follow their posts once I find them. Some use the same name as they always do, and others create new ones. I also connect with them so their posts go to my notifications box, and that way I won't miss their new posts, while I have disconnected for the crap posted there. I have had some writers who have seen my articles, comments etc simply send a short message to me on my profile or even FB to let me know they are a fellow writer which is great because that way I can connect with them to, and be able to follow their posts. Writers who follow and support other writers, well they will reap the rewards of quicker payouts for sure.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda....I'm happy for you. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well Marlene, I'll be very easy to follow now because I'm right here daily and I'm not going anywhere...unless I hit it big and I have to travel to New York and do those pesky television shows to promote my book. LOL Thanks my loyal friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pearl, it will be interesting to see if it lasts....it's a clever idea and I hope, for the writer's who are enjoying it, that it stays successful. They will just have to do it without me. :) Thanks Connie; I always appreciate you stopping by, and now I need to go see what you have to say about hummingbirds.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Lady! Good luck to you in all that you do.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good tips Linda!

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      Billybuc: You are too funny! Hey, gotta make a buck where I can! I should do more there, but too busy with my own sites. I have something I wrote being published in an online magazine about adoption and working on something else for them.

      If I got busy on Bubblews, I would be able to pay my ridiculous property taxes and more ridiculous school taxes.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eddy, it's interesting, but for poets I would think Bubblews would be a good gig. It's obvious HP does not value poetry of any sort, so at least poets would get paid something at Bubblews....still, the money means nothing to me so here I stay and I'm happy. :)

      Thank you my dear and I hope you are having a great day.

      billy

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, I'd love to read your article about adoption since I'm adopted.

      Seriously, good luck with your writing wherever you post your stuff. I'm very happy that you like Bubblews and you are getting paid there...I'm all for quality writing getting rewarded.

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      Liz Davis 3 years ago from Hudson, FL

      Well, I guess I'll jump on the blunt train: like pyramid schemes and work from home scams, if you're looking to get paid, revenue sites are a sucker's game. I don't care if it's Squidoo or HP or Bubblews or whatever they're going to come out with next. Some writers are cherry-picked, making payout every month. Others continue to jump through hoops and try to please the powers that be, yet can't seem to get anywhere. SEO, social sharing, filling in all of those checkboxes at the top of the page--none of it will necessarily get you anywhere.

      Like I've told you before, I get many many many more clicks on my two blogs than I do on here, even with less content and no Google CPC advertising. I get significant payouts from Amazon each month with little effort; of course, it takes a lot of effort to learn and set everything up, but after you gain momentum you can roll along without too much trouble at all.

      Of course, I love the non-revenue aspects of HP that have nothing to do with the site itself. I don't know why people get their knickers in a knot over your opinion of a butt-ugly site that profits off your hard work like Bubblews , but whatever. All of these sites tell writers that if they put in the effort, they'll be like the short list of success stories, making money for bills each month. Like you said in your other article today, I wish they would be honest: "It might take you a year to make payout, it might take you a month. We'll pretend to give you good advice on how to make money, but it's unlikely to get you anywhere".

      Plus also, I've been signing in on HP using Facebook for forever, and now they won't let me sign in unless I give them access to my friends. Like they haven't taken enough. Phththththt

      Back to my happy place.

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      billybuc: I have several hubs, plus my site on weebly. http://adoptionrealities.weebly.com/index.html

      In fact, I have added some of the links to your stories to my articles.

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      richard hit the nail on the head. I looked for some information about Bubblews, owner etc. I don't know what or why, but they have a patent pending for the site, so I don't think they plan to go anywhere. But richard was right, the platform is a blogging platform where they pay people to post, similar to paid bloggers. So maybe the blogging concept is why they have stayed away for letting writers use affiliate marketing there and they only use ads from companies the site is involved with. But I will tell you this much: If you ever see your work copied and pasted on Bubblews, report them, and it is taken down, possible the account closed. Do that with HP and they tell you to file DMCA complaint, just like the other platforms do.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Linda. I'll check them out.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good to know, Linda! Thanks for the info.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...Lizzy, you bounce around a lot between the Happy Place and the Dark Place. Too funny girl!

      I don't know why people get upset either. I never said I hated Bubblews....I did say I hate writers getting paid for crap, whether it be on HP or Bubblews or wherever. I think writing is an art and should be treated as such. If I wanted something else I'd sell Amway. :)

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      sheilamyers 3 years ago

      Thanks for telling me about the other site. I've never even heard of it. Like you, I'm going to stick here at HP because I've made a lot of great friends. And it's true ... no matter where you write on the net, you won't become a better writer if the site doesn't control the quality and you, as a writer, don't make the attempt to improve your skills. I probably have quite a few hubs that wouldn't cut it if I submitted them to magazines. Other people? Well, some of them have hundreds of hubs and not one of them is worth reading. My thinking is if a person doesn't care about doing a little research for their topic or correcting their spelling, grammar, etc they should stick to posting stuff at Facebook and similar places.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sheila, we are in total agreement about quality control, and it begins with the writer. That was the whole point of this article....writers need to have a little pride in their work.

      Thanks for letting me know there are others who feel like I do.

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      Suzanne Ridgeway 3 years ago from Dublin, Ireland

      Hi Bill,

      Well it was definitely THE article many were curious to read, your take on bubblews! As one who joined end May but has not been that active until last week, I cannot agree with you more on both sites. Having been through the AP here I have seen many reasons to lose respect here. Hubpages was were I got my start and my introduction to the world of writing online and for that I will always be grateful. Until I get my own site up it will be my primary focus and the community here are my main reason. Apart from AP bonus payments being paid (will end end of next month I believe) I have hit the minimum payout each month for the past 4 or 5 months which I am thrilled about when I hear of so many not. Amazed mind you when I see their talent and body of work that they do not earn more. Bubblews for me while more relaxed, I see as writing different things as opposed to my niche writing here and I do not believe in lowering my standards just because it requires less. I have some shocking examples and I have seen excellent ones, hubpages writers do tend to stand out too with quality. it is more for financial reasons to be honest i will give it a try but hubpages will be my priority thanks to you and all the wonderful friends I have made here.

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      Harry 3 years ago from Sydney, Australia

      Bubblews has no moderator on its article. .and you get paid a cent or two for simply doing anything and everything there...sounds tempting for sure... but I'm still a bit skeptical re the whole thing

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      Comfort Babatola 3 years ago from Bonaire, GA, USA

      Hello Bill, what a hub you got here. And frankly, as one who also writes on Bubblews, I must say I agree with you a 100 per cent about the quality of writing on there. However, like many other HP writers that have made the shift, I found it a little more relaxing to put down a few thoughts here and there for those times when I have some "bubbles" up on my head that I'll rather not post on my Facebook page.

      Do I view Bubblews as a serious writing site? Not at all. It's my outlet for letting out those not-so-methodical piece that I can't post here on Hubpages. Yes, I 'post' on Bubblews, started two weeks ago, but I do on there what I already do on Facebook and Zurker, the difference is, with Bubblews, I get paid.

      I never left Hubpages, just moonlighting on Bubblews. There's no other place with such good friends, and intelligent conversation like I've found here on HP.

      BTW, that pig need to wear a dress that goes below the knee. Thanks for a good hub. Voted up, funny, and Interesting.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      So glad you took the time to check things out at Bubblews..and more, for sharing your findings. It hadn't entered my mind to REPLACE HP with being a bubbler....but I have "added" Bubblews" to my activities. Not a daily basis thing yet, nor do I feel it ever will be. No time for 2 sites, in my daily life. Barely time for my 1st choice of HP.

      I found your opinion interesting and closer to my own, than a lot of others who have jumped into the bubble bath.

      Frankly, I don't think they can even be compared...so I must be missing something...ah....duh, really effer? YOU? miss something?

      IMO...HP is "ABC" and Bubblews is as different from "ABC"......as ping pong balls are from boomerangs.....??? huh? Did I just say that? As usual, don't ask. Things just come out of my mouth without passing GO.

      I responded to a hub, or was it a question...? just today, about all the disappointment, disillusionment and "DEPARTURES," here at HP.....I admit I must be oblivious, off the beaten path, just rebel enough or seriously disabled.....because I can't seem to get all worked up, furious, disgusted or appalled enough to: constantly focus on my stats, watch for every penny, freak if my hubs are not featured, notice when new rules and regs have utterly destroyed my life, call my Attorney when I've been reprimanded and banned from the forums for 4 weeks.........oh wow, how that broke my flippin heart.....I may never be the same again. ( HA! Fat chance!) Of course they banned me for personal attacks upon an unarmed Hubber......I DID it!....I take my sentence like a woman.

      I am such a simpleton. I just want to write. That's all. Write. Can anyone hear me? I hate to see you guys leave because I love you...and I wish you would all stay....but I can't make you....and really? All I want to do is write....is that OK with you guys? Thanks.

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      LisaKoski 3 years ago from WA

      I just joined Bubblews about a week ago, mostly for the money since Hubpages isn't providing the income it used to. I see my Bubblews site as my Hubpages alter ego. Here, I write according to certain rules and try to cater toward Google in the hopes of making those few pennies. At Bubblews, I can write what I want, however I want, and get paid even more. I like having a few rules to follow and challenge myself in writing sometimes it's just great to let loose and have some fun with it.

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      Patricia Scott 3 years ago from sunny Florida

      Hi Bill

      I am SO glad that you wrote this. I have seen all of the hubbub about Bubbleviews but just have not taken the time to check it out. Now I know I do not need to. You have done the work for me.

      Angels are on the way to you, my Friend, one more time today ps

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      I think you would have to prise me physically away from Hubpages! lol! I love it to bits, and as you said its mainly because of our friends on here. Its part of my life now, so give it up? never! Saying that, yes I do need the money, and yes Bubblews is great for short pieces. I am trying to keep my quality up on there, okay, I have done a couple of silly ones, but mainly they are short but in the news. If I was not concerned about the money, I would just stay right here! lol!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Suzie, I can definitely see the advantages of Bubblews....and I'm not against it....but I am against poor writing on any site.....I'm way too much of a writing snob to call someone a writer simply because they got a payout on Bubblews....that's like saying I'm a mother because I know how to change a diaper. LOL

      Thanks for your input; I love the reactions to this hub.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Hackslap! It will be interesting to see if they make it long time.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...Comfort, thanks for the laugh. I think some people misunderstood my message. I have nothing against Bubblews; I do have something against poor writing. Big difference! :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Paula...thank you....thank you....thank you!

      God I get tired of the whining about HP and the earnings and the lack of views and....and....and.....quite frankly I don't care. My God, whatever happened to writing for the passion of writing? HP is what it is; they make no excuses about it and they do not lie. They are here to make a profit like any other major business; if you hitch your self-worth onto that wagon then you deserve to be emotionally crushed when you views drop.

      I feel a whole new hub coming on. LOL

      You tell it like it is, Sis, and I greatly appreciate it.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Lisa and I love that comment, and it's a great reason to write at Bubblews....all valid reasons for sure.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      PS, that's what I'm here for my friend; to save others time. LOL

      Thank you my friend and hugs and blessings are heading your way

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nell, I understand completely. I'm a little surprised that a couple people felt I was attacking Bubblews. Not at all...I'm attacking poor writing. Big difference!

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      Mel Carriere 3 years ago from San Diego California

      I also started a bubblews account about two weeks ago and it is still there staring, or should I say "oinking" at me as you say. daring me to do something with it. The temptation to make money is strong, but I too have limited time and have come to enjoy the interaction with my hub buddies. Great article!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mel, there is money to be made over there at Bubblews, but you have to put in the time and effort....I'll be interested in what you think of it. In the meantime, thanks for the visit here.

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      Linda Bilyeu 3 years ago from Orlando, FL

      "No matter how well you dress a pig, at the end of the day it is still a pig." LOL! I couldn't agree more. Fabulous article! :)

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Attacking Bubblews? I would like to see that, would you like a sword or maybe just a horse and lance? LOL! seriously, yes Bubblews is fine for a quick write, but I keep my hubs for my 'proper' writing!

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      suzettenaples 3 years ago

      Here! Here! Great hub Bill! I like HP because of the people too!

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Just had to add, I agree with Paula too, I just like to write! what the heck would I do with all those agitated fingers if I couldn't hit these darn keys?! LOL!

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      Cat 3 years ago from New York

      Billy,

      Wow, you sure saved me a bunch of time and a big headache! I can't say I wasn't curious and I too, have been listening to a lot of people heading over that way or at least investigating... I was thinking about peaking myself, but I've got too much HP catching up to do and you've already answered my questions, so thank you! Secondly, and probably most importantly... I very much agree with you; HP is what it is because of the community. I'll never pay my bills because of HP, but there are people here who have truly added to my life and that's better than what any dollar can buy and I mean that. I appreciated your humbleness and I'm happy to hear that the people mean something to you. Great hub Billy!

      Cat

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      Vicky C. 3 years ago from New England

      I write for Bubblews and I have made money quicker with them than in the last few month with Hubpages. I will do both for now. Great article.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Linda! I'm glad you liked my favorite line. LOL

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nell, I love your sense of humor. Thanks my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Suzette! Truly I have nothing against Bubblews....it is what it is.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nell, I have said that for over a year now....I'm a writer...I write. I let others worry about views and pennies.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cat, welcome back, wherever you have been. I have missed you. Why? Because you are a friend, and that's why HP is important to me. :)

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Blessed, there is no doubt that money can be made quicker on Bubblews. I recognized that fact after one day with them. :) I'm glad you are making money over there. Thanks for weighing in on this.

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      DJ Anderson 3 years ago

      Hi, Bill, thanks for checking out Bubblews. I will stand with you and all my writing buddies here at HP.

      Someone once said that there is a basic human need to feel

      that we are a part of something larger. We want to know that

      we are accepted and even appreciated. My friends here,

      are meeting my expectations. While I have chosen not to post

      on HP, for the time being; I still work on my writings every day.

      Personally, I love the picture of the pig in a dress! LOL

      DJ.

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      Audrey Howitt 3 years ago from California

      Well, I was curious what you were going to say. So may things can really go into the mix: quality, money, respect, communication, longevity. HP is a difficult place for creative writers, but Bubblews has other problems. I am staying here for the duration, but am working on some other options for myself--as are many of the creatives here I think

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      William Kovacic 3 years ago from Pleasant Gap, PA

      I see no comparison quality-wise. Even though there's much I don't like about HP, the quality is much better. I don't see Bubblews as being a site for serious writers - but then again, I guess you never know. Thanks for the post.

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      Mary Strain 3 years ago from The Shire

      "The only difference is that HubPages puts a dress on the pig rather than allow it to run around naked."

      XD

      I will laugh over that line for the rest of the day, Bill. And thanks for an alternative opinion. I've been hearing so much about Bubblews lately, have been meaning to look in. I was mainly concerned about the rights...saw nothing about who owns the content in their TOS. One of the biggest plusses for HP, IMO, was that they claimed no ownership of my content.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DJ, I had so many pictures to choose from, but that one spoke to me. LOL Thank you as always. I love your dedication to the craft of writing....you just write by yourself....don't need a site or adoring throngs of readers...that is the heart and soul of a writer.

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      C E Clark 3 years ago from North Texas

      Really appreciate your take on both of these sites. Agree with at least one of your evaluations. ;) Like Mary615, I'm on the fence where Bubblews is concerned. I need the money, but I have limited time . . . thank you for your honest thoughts!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Audrey, poets like yourself don't stand a chance on HP and I find that very sad. The beauty of poetry should be rewarded always. Yes, many creatives are looking at alternatives and I don't blame them one bit. Thank you for your viewpoint.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      lifegate, I don't have time to list the things I don't like about HP....suffice it to say I'm here because I respect so many writers on HP who are now friends.

      Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Molly, thanks for stopping by. I honestly don't know about the rights issue on Bubblews, but it is an important issue to find out about.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Au fait, you are very welcome. Thank you for being so understanding in your comment.

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      anglnwu 3 years ago

      Your pig analogy made me laugh. I've heard of bubblews and checked it out. I'm quite tired of socializing online and clicking for pennies, so I'm going to stay put. Good and honest review and it made me feel better about not jumping on the bandwagon.

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      Rebecca Mealey 3 years ago from Northeastern Georgia, USA

      Well said, Billy Buc. I too have been too busy to look into Blubblews much. From what I HAVE seen, they're not as attractive and enticing as Hubs or Squidoo. They appear to be a bit lifeless and dull. I like your approach. I never have time for both, so I will choose the dressed up pig...for now, anyway. I guess it bears watching. I use HP to drive traffic to my blog. Its gotten about 4 readers so far. Sigh.

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      Paula 3 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      It's refreshing to know a few people who can truly appreciate a gal like me who shoots straight from the hip, ALL the time, despite most rules to the contrary. I mean I say things "nicely," often gently, with a half-smile....but if you've ASKED my opinion, I believe that's what you want.....and you can trust 100%, that's what I'll give you.

      If you want me to validate your stupidity, cruelty, vanity & deceit or worse....I feel obligated to forewarn you.....IT AIN'T HAPPENIN. I'm not desperate for friends.....but the world damned sure needs truth.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 3 years ago from Southern Illinois

      You are so funny, i mean that in a good way. I am one who journeyed over to Bub land. I feel the same as you do. It is easy to make five dollars and more each day by clicking away. I moved three stories over there today. A lot of my good friends are there. The best thing about the site is they do not tell you that you need to add to a hub in order for them to feature it. That happened to me today on my flash fiction, i added to it and it is featured. I must say that i have learned a lot from HP and i do want to be a good writer. Thank's Bill.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      anginwu, thank you for the visit. There are so many options out there for online writing sites. I'm not sure any of them are worth the time, but HP is worth my time because of my friends.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      rebecca, thanks for sharing your experience. It would be easy to get discouraged and I hope that doesn't happen to you. You are a good writer.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Paula, I have no patience with bullshit...excuse my French. I've had too many people rip me to shreds when my back is turned, and I'll never do that to anyone else.....thus.....we are friends and you have my respect for life.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruby, from what I can see, Bubblews is a much better site for poets...and there is no doubt one can make money faster over there. Since I'm not a poet and I don't care about the income....well, there you go. :) Thank you my friend.

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      From what I have seen over there is that recipes and poetry, short stories, and again same ole same ole posts about Bubblews does well.

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      Jamie Lee Hamann 3 years ago from Reno NV

      After writing on HP for two years I feel that I am part of a larger community of writers and poets and I am proud to be a part of the HP community and feel lucky to have read some great authors and to have felt like I was drinking a cup of coffee with them and chatting about the craft. Thank you for this article, I think I will stay here for awhile. Jamie

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I agree Linda. I really think it is the perfect place for poets and short story writers; those two groups will never make money on HP.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hi Jamie! Thanks for stopping by and I'm glad you enjoy this community. There are some very good people here.

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      Kathryn 3 years ago from Manchester, Connecticut

      Voted up and across!

      I like Bubblews okay, but it is definitely not a site that cares about quality posts. Many look a lot like simple blog posts, and don't look long enough to be able to make money. I have doubts the site will be able to make enough money to sustain itself for too long.

      On the other hand, I am staying there. It's good for some of the shorter posts that I can do, that don't require much content. I don't spend a whole lot of time there, but enough for the money to add up.

      HubPages is still my favorite, though. I like to diversify, so I am okay with writing on both sites. I find writing here more satisfying, though.

      Thanks for sharing your review with us, and have a great day!

      ~ Kathryn

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Kathryn, and I appreciate you sharing your views with us. I can certainly understand why you are there, and one thing I know for sure is if you write a piece it will be quality.

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      molometer 3 years ago

      Hi Bill,

      I checked out Bubblews for the first time today, to see what all the fuss was about,

      I then came across your excellent assessment of the website on Google+.

      I have been watching the mass migration from HP to the other place with some interest.

      Like many people that have already commented here, I have seen some real dross on Bubblews today.

      Not to say there isn't dross on any website, but the difference?

      It seems that people on Bubblews are getting paid!

      Now I am a firm believer in the concept of getting paid for work. And writing is work, no matter how we dress the pig.

      HP is making a fortune from our work and really needs a kick up the jacksie.

      I stay on HP, purely for the community and friends that I have met here. There is no better place on the web.

      As you know, many of us meet each other on other websites too and continue to support each others efforts.

      I do agree that the content on the other place is dreadful, and it will stay that way unless good writers get in there and raise the bar.

      Imagine what would happen if we all got in there and worked together?

      I think that it should be viewed for what it is. A longer version of Twitter.

      It seems to me that the public have no time to think, let alone read anything with any weight or gravitas.

      I personally have nothing against making money.

      I will be giving Bubblews a spin, as it will add to my ever growing list of websites to add to my research, into working on the web.

      Still to this day, webanswers (that little dump of a site) pays far more than any other website that I have come across in 2 years of studying the field.

      I rarely go there and still get paid for answers I gave 2 years ago.

      Remember Bill, Dickens and Shakespeare had to make a living and some of their writing is dross of the highest caliber.

      Not all their works were masterpieces.

      So we want to write, that does not mean that we have to live in penury. Those days are over thanks to the web.

      Great article Bill. if this was on Bubblews, from what I understand it would have made $ 100 already, just from the comments alone :)

      Sharing too.

      I am down to a level 4 commentator from level 8.

      HP really has got some attitude problem.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      What a great comment my friend. I'll read this several times tonight for the beautiful way it was written, covering both sides with equal aplomb and even managing to bring the Masters into the equation.

      I've never heard of webanswers....now you have my curiosity piqued.

      Well done Sir! Thank you!

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      Gypsy Willow 3 years ago from Lake Tahoe Nevada USA , Wales UK and Taupo New Zealand

      I am very disillusioned with hub pages. My hubs and myself are continually being downgraded. It is very annoying. I am off to check out webanswers! Thanks for a great hub as usual.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Gypsy, there are certainly many who feel like you do. Good luck at webanswers; I hope there is something there you like. Thanks for taking the time to comment.

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      molometer 3 years ago

      Hello again Bill and thank you for your warm comment as always.

      Well my friend. I am sorry to report that I have just joined Bubblews and posted an 86 word (477 characters) post, about the fuss that Bubblews is causing around the web, and I have made $1.26 in less than 2 minutes.

      I fear that these beast is out of the bag.

      My referral tracker is if you want to hook up. http://www.bubblews.com/?referral=52157c885a7a30.1...

      There is a place for decent work and a place to earn some corn.

      If you read some of the other stuff that Dickens wrote. OMW he was a hack of the highest order lol.

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      Rajan Singh Jolly 3 years ago from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar,INDIA.

      A fine review of the site that is a storm in a tea cup sort of thing, just waiting to see how long its going to last!

      I've been at bubblews and fully agree with you, Bill.

      I haven't been regular with my writing here as I'm on a long vacation in China but will get regular in about a month.

      Have a great day and sharing this work.

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      Vinaya Ghimire 3 years ago from Nepal

      Bill,

      HP and Bublews both have pros and cons. I'm relatively new on Bubblews but I have found some really good writers on the site. I hope to publish my articles on both site for a while.

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      truthfornow 3 years ago from New Orleans, LA

      I am on both sites right now. HP is great for the friends and contacts made, because I feel we all get to know each other better on here. I wish HP would get it together in terms of being supportive of writers that have been here for a while and stuck around through the good and bad. I don't think my score should go down because I write a poem instead of following one of their templates. It is all so silly.

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      DreamerMeg 3 years ago from Northern Ireland

      Interesting article, however, I would disagree on one point - that neither site improves your writing. I would say that writing, just by itself, whether for Hubpages, Bubblews or just for yourself WILL improve your writing. Of course, writing just one paragraph, then rewriting it just in different words for somewhere else will not improve anyone's writing but real honest, let's just get this down and see what I want to say, most definitely will improve anyone's writing.

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      Jonathan McCloskey 3 years ago from Cinnaminson, New Jersey

      I appreciate you too, Bill, you were one of the first to comment on my articles and I will never forget the support you've offered. Thanks a million, and wishing you all the best.

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      Martin Kloess 3 years ago from San Francisco

      Thank you for this. I will stay here as long as I can. But Allvoices comes first. They really have no community. But... For the views, pay and professional exposure they are far better.

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      Audrey Hunt 3 years ago from Nashville Tn.

      Oh, Bill, my fantastic friend - "The only difference is that HubPages puts a dress on the pig rather than allow it to run around naked." I'm on the floor with laughter. What a vision :) And what a hub!

      Although I joined the "Bubble Group" I am here for the long haul. This is my home, my community and my family.

      I owe HP. When my son died, writing here and the therapy and love that was shown to me by my HP friends, kept me from the looney bin.

      I love HP and I love you Bill. Audrey

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      How to hubs 3 years ago

      Bubble Group pays, but it's no fun. I love HP!

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      MG Singh 3 years ago from Singapore

      Thanks Billy for a lovely post. But I would like to add my own experience of bubbles. Well i joined the site about 5 months back. It looked so easy and I piled up dollars. BUT NO PAYMENT CAME AND 15 emails went unanswered. The site owes me $ 150. I stopped writing on the site and carried out a survey. 40% of writers were not paid. Its devious site.run by a fellow Indian. It follows an algorithm method and pays only some writers. Customer support is ZERO. They never reply as to why you are not paid. Arvind the owner has perfected a devilish marketing plan. He as heavily to some writers who jump over the moon praising the site: others go and hang yourself. I don't write on the site,but my dollars keep piling, but to no avail. Hope this warns a few who are hopping like mad.

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      How to hubs 3 years ago

      Thanks for the heads up MG Singh!

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 3 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      phew!..Never thought I'd get down here, this is a very popular topic....I've read a lot about the Bubblews site, and I get why so many writers are making the move. It must feel pretty good to be able to write something and actually get paid for it, if I had the time I'd happily join the mass exodus....then again, maybe not. :)

      HP will always be home; but I feel that the heart is not what it once was. I'm so happy to know that you will be sticking around this little piggy for the foreseeable... losing you would be the last straw for many of us here. By the way, a brilliant review.

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      Kathleen Cochran 3 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      "The beatings will continue until morale improves" - is what I think the new motto is here at HP. Another one that comes to mind is, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Just yesterday I asked a staffer in a forum if HP had hired a consultant because it seems that for about the past six months something was changing every week. Everybody must do this! No, we changed our minds, now everybody must do that. I called it tedious but what it actually is would be better described as spirit-quenching. I don't understand the problem. My views are up. My measely income is up. Most of my poetry is unfeatured and I may move it to the other site just so it might have a shot at getting read. But like you, I'm here for the community and the great friends I've made. You don't meet many writers out there in the real world, and it's good to find kindred spirits. We are an acquired taste. I won't just walk away willingly. I do, however, get the sense from HP that sometimes they wish I would just pack up my unfeatured hubs and go elsewhere.

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      SweetiePie 3 years ago from Southern California, USA

      I think a lot of people are excited about Bubblews because of the payments, but that cannot last forever. They are the new kid in town like Hubpages was five years ago, and back in the day it was much easier to make a lot here than it is today. However, eventually Bubblews will be held more accountable to Google, so the easy payouts cannot last forever. I am trying it, but I would not see it as a forever thing.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      As always Bill you hit the nail on the head. Yes, I'm guilty, I went to Bubblews and wrote a few 'bubles' but for the most part I was confused and disappointed in what I read there. While some friends have jumped the fence, and others are doing both, I have to agree with you yet again, I don't have the time to do both.

      Yes, community is the thing here and you are at the top of the list. What would I do without your powerful hubs or your instructional hubs? Lastly but more importantly, what would I do without your friendship and that of the many other wonderful folks I've met here at HP? I feel closer to some of them than I do the people I see every day.

      Thanks for always keeping us on top!!

      Voted up, useful, and interesting.

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      Chitrangada Sharan 3 years ago from New Delhi, India

      Your article came at the right time--Thanks for the clarifications about Bubblews. I was hearing a lot about it and was curious. I totally agree with you that HP has an excellent community and that' s the sole reason, I am here and I would not leave it.

      Excellent hub as always and thanks!

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      Wayne Brown 3 years ago from Texas

      Bill, you did better with Bubblelews that I did. I found the site so visually busy I had to seek medication in order to form a focus at all. When I first came to HP three plus years ago, the site was really nice in terms of eye appeal and organization. Over time, they have shuffled things such that the writer becomes buried in the mess. HP has thrown away more good things in the name of "progress" and I find that sad...change simply for the sake of change. Having said that, I still believe the format is much more user friendly for both the writer and the reader than most sites that I have seen. I certainly made a lot of friends here and I do miss a lot of that interaction since I stopped posting on new articles on HP in late June. I find their attitude in terms of quality to be rather "looking down the nose" at you and I suspect they do not have five people on the entire staff who could write even a 400 word piece of interest yet they make the rules. One day, maybe I'll get past that irritant. You article was very solid and informative. I think you boiled the decision point out quite readily for anyone who is sitting on the fence. The funny part is that so many who are sitting on the fence really are not sure as to "why" they are there...you figured that out for them. Thanks much for sharing! ~WB

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      Richard Ricky Hale 3 years ago from West Virginia

      Bill, great points all the way through. First, Bubblews is a new website and Google search engines love that. The high ranking articles are a great asset to anyone, we all want traffic. However, if Bubblews don't make changes, they'll quickly fall like other websites. My purpose at Bubblews is link building back to my hubs and other sites I write for. The quality isn't there yet and in the end, it's going to hurt their rankings. Your not given any tools to build your article, which is another change that needs to be made. I'm quite sure that their "pay scale" will change very soon because as they grown, they can't pay out for every view, share, and comment. If that was the case here at HP, you'd be rich Bill! If they would run moderators on their content, it would be great, they have something to offer. Personally, I prefer HP. I love the tools that we have, the community that we have, and our platform. Is it the best? No and I don't agree with all changes, but I respect the point that they're trying. Good writing as always Bill, voted up, useful, awesome, interesting, and shared.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Michael and good luck to you. Just a note: I said from the outset that you would make more money from Bubblews....so no surprise that you found instant success. I hope it continues for you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rajan, I hope you had a wonderful vacation. I'm sure you must have a hub or two inside of you about that experience. Thank you Sir and welcome back.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vinaya, I look forward to reading your articles. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      truthfornow, I completely agree with you. Writers would not be rushing over to Bubblews if HP acted like they truly care about writers. Thanks for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dreamer, there is no doubt that writing improves writing, but to cut a fine point, HP and Bubblews have nothing to do with that...the writer writes and becomes better...HP just helps you to become a better Hubber. :) Thanks for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Jon! I was not aware of that but I'm happy that I showed you early support. I remember well those who helped me early on.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Interesting Martin. I have not heard of them but will check them out. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Audrey and obviously I feel the same way. I have nothing against Bubblews; I just don't have time for it and I love my HP friends.

      love,

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      How to hubs, I think that sums it all up pretty well...thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      MG, thank you so much for giving us your experience. It is not the first time I have heard someone say they were not paid....your experience, hopefully, will help others.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      How to hubs...indeed, thank you MG.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jo, thank you! HP would do quite nicely without me, but I'm not sure I could say the same. I love this community and people like you. You all have helped me to become a better writer and a better person. I owe you Jo! :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...Kathleen, I think it is more than a sense. I think they would be quite happy if I took my toys and played somewhere else too. Fat chance of that happening. This is my home and I love the people....as for the money....for whatever reason, I am having my biggest month ever and nothing has changed on my end. Go figure!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sweetie, I have my doubts about the site, but I understand why writers are moving there....if money is the motivation then one goes where the money is....for me, that will never be the motivation to write. Thank you my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, isn't it amazing, but I feel the same way. I might have three close friends here in Olympia; I probably have ten times that number on HP and well into the hundreds of good friendships. I love it here my friend, and you and others like you are the reason, so thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I'm glad to hear you are staying Chitrangada....best of luck to you and thank you for your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Wayne, thank you for sharing that and I totally agree with you. I would love to read an article written by the HP staff...I wonder what the quality would be? I have felt for some time now that the staff was condescending and that chafes at my butt quite frankly. I don't need some snot nosed kid looking down their nose at me when I'm the one who has paid his dues.

      Wow! You got me fired up. LOL Thanks Wayne!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lyric, great observations. I love that you use Bubblews for linking...wise decision. I see the advantages of that site; I just don't have the time to take advantage of them. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts my friend.

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 3 years ago from United Kingdom

      I had a try of Bubblews, wasn't impressed. While it was easy to spit out 400 character blurbs, I found I wasn't proud I what I had written. It was crap and I knew it. I realised that if someone else had written what I had written, I would have been contemptuous of it. I have since deleted everything I wrote and would have deleted the account as well if I could figure out how. Bubblews is not for me.

      HP has a been good to me in that I've been given the opportunity to interact with talented, supportive people. The community is here second to none and I look forward visiting them every day.

      Oh and, by the way, MG Singh is correct about the admin problems. I've read countless bubbles about people not being paid or being paid randomly and complaints going unanswered. Professional is not the word I would use to describe this site and I have a feeling it will implode before long.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Phoenix, thank you for sharing that. I have serious concerns about that site based on some things I have heard from others regarding payment....I have a bad feeling about it, but some people are not going to learn until they get burned....and burned they will get. :)

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      Drive By Quipper 3 years ago from Wrong Side of Town

      This is where your friends are. I would say they are valuable friends. Add up all the comments at 50 cents a word (average for nationally published periodical). There is no one on this page who's work is not good enough to fetch that if circumstances were more favorable, and they freely donated it to you. I just need a place to park my stuff until I figure out what to do with it. I don't want to end up like those rats in the experiment . . . running around clicking buttons all day. I need to make money. I have a family to support. Y'all have fun!

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      molometer 3 years ago

      Hi Bill,

      just an update to let you know how it's going over there.

      I wrote 2 short blurbs last night both 400+ characters long basically saying. 'O so this is Bubblews'

      I woke up today to find $2.40 in my bank.

      I think the way to utilise the website is as others have mentioned, as a funnel for our other works curated elsewhere. Well written attractive copywriting is an art too.

      I have posted one such linked post on there today to see how it flies.

      Some burblers are placing dozens of links on their blurbs and it looks incredible spammy. And yet Google loves this site???? Go figure that one out.

      It is definitely 'not' a writing site and anyone that uses it like that will not get significant pageviews I strongly suspect. Keep them short and pithy wins the race.

      Having said that, they pay you for likes and shares so who knows.

      PS Come on HP cough up the dough, we know you are making from us. If this upstart company can chuck money around like a guy with 5 arms then HP must be coining it in.

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      Lori Colbo 3 years ago from Pacific Northwest

      I just googled it to see what all the hoopla is about and I saw this blog that said Bubblews.c0m is a SCAM get AWAY from that Site. I read his post (poorly written with spelling and grammar errors) and he said that Bubblews would not pay him his earnings. He contacted support twice but got no response. He made a post asking others about their experience and how long does it take an so forth. They deleted the post and his account with no notification whatsoever. Meanwhile, his articles are still up and Bubblew is making money off them.

      There were 109 comments to this blog post, many many saying they had the same problem. If you want the link let me know.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Drive By, I hear you....I am pretty blessed regarding friendships on this site. If this were Bubblews I'd be rich from this article alone. :) Best of luck to you in making that money. This writing gig is a tough gig, but it is possible.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michael, you had me laughing again. HP is raking in the dough for sure; every single hub makes them money; of that I have no doubt. I don't know who runs HP, but they really need to consider for one moment how much stronger they would be if they paid a better percentage.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lambservant, I actually saw that post a few days ago....I just had a comment from MG saying the same thing...he is still owed $150 and can get no response from Bubblews about the money owed....people need to think long and hard before joining up and wasting valuable time there.

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      carol stanley 3 years ago from Arizona

      So the bottom line is..are any of you writers seeing a paycheck or just addition of dollars.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carol, that is the bottom line now isn't it? If what MG said is true there are serious issues there.

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

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      How to hubs 3 years ago

      If google is so worried about content quality, then why is bubblews doing so good. I say hubpages is a million times better. I joined it, and wrote some articles. You get 1or 2 cents for each comment and like. Every time you like something, page refreshes. It's like using internet on old java phones.

      There is just one tutorial about the site, and it's mostly useless. It's not user friendly like hubpages. No quality content, people can post anything. I think they don't even care if the contents are copyrighted.

      I think google will declare it as a spam in a few days.

      P.S it looks like crap

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for sharing Linda.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      How to hubs, it will be interesting to see what happens. I have my doubts, but who knows? I hope it is legit and continues to get better for all those writers investing time in it.

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      How to hubs 3 years ago

      Lets hope so. Do you have a blog on blogspot?

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      Mel Carriere 3 years ago from San Diego California

      That pig is ugly and smelly for sure but the pork pays.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL.....Thanks for the laugh, Mel!

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      Victor W. Kwok 3 years ago from Hawaii

      Amazing, passionate hub. Thanks for this, bill.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It's always my pleasure, vkwok! Take care my friend.

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      Martie Coetser 3 years ago from South Africa

      Hubpages or Bubblews - like being between the devil and the deep-blue sea.

      Excellent hub, Billybuc. I think you are echoing the thoughts of many. But at the end Money talks...... and we either listen or not......

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      Tony Flanigan 3 years ago from East London, South Africa

      LOL! I just have to crawl out of the woodwork for this! For several reasons I haven't submitted any new Hubs for quite some time, although I do pop in every so often to see what is happening here.

      I have been to the bubble site thing - on one occasion - but it does also crop up fairly regularly around here.

      My opinion is that it is a bubble waiting to burst. For all those I know who use the bubble thing site, I hope it doesn't float away or burst. However, enough rambling. There are two things I take from your writing Bill, and they are: "...provided they don’t burn out and disappear in the near future..." and, more importantly: "I will stay with HubPages because of you, my followers and friends, and for no other reason".

      A great read, thanks!

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      Alise- Evon 3 years ago

      Thanks for your insight, Bill. I've been wondering about what all the hullabaloo about bubblews vs. HubPages is. Sad that one thing we really need- good, meaningful relationships- is so easily taking second place to rectangular pieces of green paper in today's world.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Martie, that money issue has a lot of people heading over to Bubblews...and I understand that....if HP made Hubbers a bit more of a priority there might not be such an exodus. Oh well, I'm too old to move somewhere else. :) Thank you dear friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Tony, thank you! I hope I'm wrong about Bubblews and I hope those who want some passive income find what they need there....I think I'll just stick around here and do my thing. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Alise, it is indeed. I'm writing a hub right now about that topic.....forfeiting things we need for things we want....thanks for your insight as well my friend.

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      Victoria Lynn 3 years ago from Arkansas, USA

      Bill, you should read my latest Bubblews article for my perspective. I don't think it's a matter of picking Hubpages vs. Bubblews. I'm using Bubblews for short posts that don't need long articles such as HP requires. I'll save those for HP. I'll be active on both sites, as it fits. HP has always been my start for freelance writing, but I can't just depend on it.

      And there are some cool posts on Bubblews. I think that, just as at HP, the crappy posts, aren't so well respected. I won't read them, or at least won't like or comment, and I have even disconnected from people on Bubblews. I think in time that the site will get better at weeding out those writers. I think that's why it takes so long to go through the requests for redemptions. I had no trouble with mine, by the way! :-)

      I don't think it's a matter of either/or or good vs evil. It's a matter of balancing different sites for different needs. I have a lot to say over there that I can't write at HubPages, and vice versa. As Kathryn said above, diversification is good. I find it fun and challenging to write a quality post in 80 words as opposed to 800 , which often is way too long, anyway.

      I don't think there's a battle between HubPages and Bubblews. It's just a matter of different sites for different types of writing. I feel good about all my posts on Bubblews. I have even found the ones I've checked on the first or second page of Google, so there are more possibilities out there.

      Check out my latest hub. I'd be curious to see what you think, my friend. :-)

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      lovedoctor926 3 years ago

      Good morning Billy. I came back to revisit. Like many people here, I signed up on Bubblews out of curiosity, but for some reason, I was turned off. I had a number of pushy people outside of hubpages trying to connect with me and telling me to connect with them. One guy even left a dumb comment saying how come your profile says that you are 99 yrs old and your picture doesn't. duh? Lol. My reply to him was well if I was 99 years old, I would probably be dead by now don't you think? Hubpages is a lot better as far as professionalism and quality of writing. I guess you could say that I am a writing snob too. Lol Epigramman,not sure if you are following him also mentioned that he is too good for that site. He also suggested me to read a hub on bubblews posted by a writer that goes by the name insane mundane. I hope I got the name correct. I need to go there too and check out the hub. Have a wonderful day. The sun just came out. It's7:51am. Looks like it's going to be another nice day here in South Florida

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      lovedoctor26: Now you see why people don't get paid by Bubblews. Leave the stupid comments, especially the ones requesting that you connect, read a post, etc. From what I was told, the comment boxes are monitored to some extent which is how people like this one get caught, and don't get paid.

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      lovedoctor926 3 years ago

      Linda Smith1, nice to meet you. Exactly, I agree. That's good to know that if they get caught, they don't get paid. Maybe it's not a bad site after all, but I prefer hubpages. This site in my opinion is more professional than other writing sites that I have come across and written for plus I've met some wonderful friends here like Bill and many others. I even got to meet a hubber in person. Best of luck at Bubblews & Happy Publishing.

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      LindaSmith1 3 years ago from USA

      I use to delete them, but found out the comments are monitored for this very reason, so now I leave them. HP and other sites vs Bubblews, like one hubber describes it: Apples vs Oranges. I have had articles from other sites, I simply trashed because they weren't doing anything, like many writers have. But, I didn't know about Bubblews then. So I don't trash anything anymore, I post those articles on Bubblews as a whole, or break them up into multiple posts. When I am bored, hit writers block, I hit Bubblews. There are sites which require a word minimum. Sometimes I just can't get there, so off to Bubblews it goes if I don't use it on my blogs. I break up and move old stuff from blogs, etc to Bubblews where I can still earn from them.

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      Hi Bill,

      I have been reading Victoria Lynn's excellent hubs of late here on HP about here first couple of weeks at Bubblews, and since she is a trusted hubber and great writer, I trust what she writes too, plus she has had the experience.

      I may give it a whirl for the creative aspect of it without the restrictions of HP. I will do both, but do want to try it for myself before I condemn it. If enough good writers post there, then it will weed out the bad, but there are, as you say, plenty here on HP too.

      If you have not done so, Victoria Lynn's hubs are really great and have videos to explain the process an all.

      Hey, Marlene (lovedoctor), go to Victoria Lynn's hubs, there are too and explain all you need to know with links, etc.

      Blessings, Faith Reaper

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vicki, I'm really happy that you like Bubblews. I'm really happy that many people like Bubblews. It is what it is, and I tore into HP more than I tore into Bubblews. I simply don't have the time for two sites and so I choose HP where my friends are.....simple as that. No battle happening at all. Choose what makes you happy and meets your needs. What I am amazed at is how upset a couple people got over this article. I said there is some bad writing on Bubblews. Is that true? of course it is. I said that you make more money at Bubblews. Is that true? Of course it is.

      Have a great weekend and thanks for stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Good morning Doc! Thanks for your perspective. I think it's amazing how upset people got over this hub. Interesting insights into America in general.....differences of opinion are shouted down by some in the land of free speech.

      Have a great weekend, Doc!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, thanks for yet another visit. I really appreciate you stopping by so many times. Have a great weekend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nice response Doc. Best of luck and Happy Publishing....very respectful and one more reason why I like you.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Fantastic! Thanks for your perspective again Linda!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Faith. I hope you find what you need at Bubblews, and I hope you find a positive experience there, just as I wish that for everyone else who goes there. I only have time for one site and this is where I'll be.

      Blessings always

      bill

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      skye2day 3 years ago from Rocky Mountains

      billybuc, Hello dear friend. You have written another masterpiece. Truly it is brilliant. I really enjoyed reading along and feeding on the experience you have had with Bubblews. I admire your honesty Bill. You are not afraid to stand on the rock and share the truth. You do it quite nicely dear sir. Thank you for all the information. I can barely keep up at the hubs so for me for now I am staying put. I do agree with most that hubpages has lost it's appeal for writers. They have come up with some absurd rules and regulations in the religious department. In fact I was tempted to write them and share my frustration but then declined. It is not worth the time of day I would put into it. I do not think they would 'see' where I come from. I am standing on Gods word. No man can shut a door He has opened.

      Out of curiosity like the cat I will go check out this Bubblews soon. I am grateful you will be around brother. I have savored from your insightful hubs and love your humor.

      Sending blessings to you and yours. In Christ, Your sister. Skye

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      Anamika S 3 years ago from Mumbai - Maharashtra, India

      I have nothing against people who write on multiple sites. I personally do that too, mostly for backlinking. I have used many sites like Infobarrel, Triond , Bubblews and many more for banklinking for hubpages articles and more exposure to me as a Brand. Some sites vanished and some are still there. No site can take my loyalty for HubPages as this is the first revenue sharing site I wrote on and received tons of money writing. I have many revenue streams, many of them better than HubPages, but HubPages would always be my favorite. So I hate to see the negativity spread by some of the Bubblews writers here and on other places.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Skye, I have no clue into the thinking of HP....I know it is profit motivated and as such their rules will never coincide with what I want from writing.

      You will always get the truth as I know it. I refuse to back down from what I think is right, and as long as I don't hurt others with my words I am happy speaking out.

      blessings to you always

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Anamika, it's interesting because there are some who thought this was a negative hub about Bubblews and it is not. I'm as negative if not more so about HP in this hub. My whole point is that writers should try to write well no matter where they write....that was the whole reference to the pig in the dress or the naked pig...good writing is good writing no matter where you post, and bad writing is bad writing.

      Thank you!

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      drbj and sherry 3 years ago from south Florida

      I wandered on to that site, Bill, looked around, read a few Bubblews articles and wandered off again. Not for me. BTW, my dad used a similar adage - ' ... like putting lipstick on a pig.'

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      Deb Hirt 3 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      I heard about all the different sites, too, and I think that I will stay here, as well. Sometimes things that seem the lesser of two evils isn't necessarily so. My craft has improved here, I enjoy the people that surround me on a daily basis, and too many people know me at this current web address.

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      Dianna Mendez 3 years ago

      I am now on Bubblews as well, but still trying to learn the ropes. If this is all there is to it, then I'm already skilled in the community. I laughed so hard at your words, "The only difference is that HubPages puts a dress on the pig rather than allow it to run around naked." Yes, a pig is still a pig.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Yes indeed drbj....and I'm not sure there is enough lipstick in the world to make a pig look good. LOL Thank you and I hope your Sunday is filled with wonder.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deb, it's interesting, but you and I and a few others really value the friendships we have formed at HP...the money was never the issue for me and I feel like I'm the strange one saying that....but I'm after much bigger fish than $25 per month in passive income, and I sense you are as well. I'm glad you are here.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Dianna. I think several people thought I was bashing Bubblews and that's not the case...I'm bashing poor writing. Heck, I bashed HP more than Bubblews. :)

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      Thanks Bill,

      I will still be here too, just like to try a bit less restrictive creative writing there, just to see, and have fun. Something is going on here at HP that does not seem just right at the moment, but I really love the community here, they're the best!

      Hugs and blessings, Faith Reaper

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Faith, without a doubt HP is deteriorating before our very eyes, and I find that sad....thankfully for me I'm not here to make money on their site....I just love the people.

      blessings always

      bill

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      Thelma Alberts 3 years ago from Germany

      Great review Bill. I agree to what you have said although I´m at bubblews, too. HubPages is still my favorite because it is here where I started my writing and I have found friends in our community. At the moment I´m just taking a break of writing here in HP. Bubblews is for me a socializing site and there are lots of scams there. I´m glad some HP writers are bubbling so I can read quality hubs. Thanks for sharing your views. Have a great week!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thelma, a great point. The Hubbers I have read at Bubblews have definitely brought their "A" game with them to that site. Thanks a bunch my friend.

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 3 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      Bill, curiosity got the better of me, that... and I'm so pissed off with HP at the moment. Yep....I'm off to pop a few bubbles, just hope they don't burst mine first. :)

      I need somewhere to put my many un-featured idle poems, it seemed the sensible thing to do, although I don't really have the time for social networking, it looks like everyone worth their salt are over there. So I may as well give it a whirl. I'll continue to write my articles here. HP can be a pain in the proverbial....but it is home.

      My best to you as always.

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      Michael-Milec 3 years ago

      Good evening billybuc, my friend!

      Two hundred fifty comments in four days - of an eyeopening article, I mean eyes which were not closed in first place.

      My "former " passion woodworking/restoration have surprisingly taken me away as to a different planet where not excess to fine FB family. Coming back physically exhausted , to learn more of my new pursuit, your article introducing me, up to this point to an unknown territory, which you described by familiar allegory, that the well dressed pig can be find in each industrious activity no matter whose "religion" one will decide to follow.

      You would, please let me to add to your "writing is a craft, an art,"- a hard work- as any genuine never changing love requires hard work 'to perfectly create beauty.'

      Sad and true observation that ignorance is overrunning our society; on top of this coming in-between the lines message that still exist strong tradition selling 'The Master" for thirty pieces of silver coins by gobbling potentially perspective "leaders" of (needed) quality writing.

      Thanks for clear and sincere message to my not really strong dilemma what of two is better choice. You've proved to be trustworthy, thus my learning will continue on solid ground - as my intention to carefully avoiding as much as possible fancy dressed pigs around...

      My humble voting is up,awesome,useful and interesting.

      Have a blessed week.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jo, I think HP does a great disservice to those who write poems. I think Bubblews is a perfect site for poems and I'm sad saying that. Good luck over there my friend and blessings to you always.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michael, what a great comment. Thank you my friend. You captured it all perfectly with your reference to the thirty pieces of silver coins....well done.

      Have a wonderful week my friend and thank you.

      bill

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      May Galnou 3 years ago from Melbourne, Australia

      Thanks billybuc, Nell Rose recommended this article to me, because I was mystified about what Bubblews (I always seem to be behind when I come to these things!) That cleared it up for me. Voted up & useful.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      May, thanks for dropping by. Bubblews is what it is....a quicker way to make money if you have the time to build up a following....nothing more and nothing less. :)

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      May Galnou 3 years ago from Melbourne, Australia

      Thanks billybuc. One day I might delete a couple of my hubs from here - book reviews that are no longer featured and no one ever reads, pop them on Bubblews and see if anyone finds them on there. I don't see myself spending my days clicking on other articles for money though!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      May, I think that make s great sense for poems and book reviews and the like. It is obvious that HubPages has no use for them, and if you can make some money with them then fantastic. Good luck!

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      Rosemary Sadler 3 years ago from Hawkes Bay - NewZealand

      This is a little harsh Bill. Really the two sites are completely different, like comparing aplles with oranges. HP is a great place to be for its community but Bubblews is the place to write short articles and get paid for them. It's true that there is a lot of garbage over there but even I have noticed since March that the quality is picking up. As readers start to see good articles written by good writers just how long do you think the those who write low quality will last.

      I believe that this is just the beginning and Bubblews will grow, not only in number but as a quality site too.

      HP don't appreciate my poetry so why wouldn't I place it somewhere else where I will earn something from it?

      I published a poem here yesterday knowing full well that in two or three months time, maybe even less that it will be 'unfeatured'

      Bubblews is a fairly new site and you can't really expect it to run before it can walk, and none of us have any idea of future plans or changes that may be made.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Actually, Rosemay, it is an opinion piece and as such is about as important as a roll of toilet paper. Who really cares what I think of HP or Bubblews?

      More importantly, though, is the fact that my piece is about bad writing....the attack, if you read closely enough, is against poor writing and not Bubblews. I am harsher in my words about HP than I am about Bubblews. The pig in this metaphor is poor writing.

      Thanks for stopping by.

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      Drive By Quipper 3 years ago from Wrong Side of Town

      They are both nice if you have time for a hobby.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Drive By....great line. Hobby? What's that? I'm too busy trying to feed my family. :) Thanks for the smile this morning.

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      Mary Hyatt 3 years ago from Florida

      Hi, I think you will find the quality of writing at Bubblews has improved a lot. Maybe that's cause so many good writers from HP have gone there. Do me a favor and go by and check them out again. Look for Hubbers that you know write interesting informative articles, and you will see their attitude on good writing follows them. So far I am enjoying writing there very much.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, I'm really happy for you. The whole point of this article was to say there is bad writing at Bubblews and bad writing at HP....thus the pig reference. In fact, I bad-mouthed HP more than Bubblews. :)

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      Oh, God bless you Bill, for working so hard to feed your family as you responded to Drive By, then please by all means, go and check out Bubblews and not have to work so hard and actually get paid an amount where you can feed your family more so than the mere pennies here on HP and for all of the time spent here, where time spent elsewhere could actually in reality feed the family at least one meal. HP takes a lot of time and for mere pennies, although I know we do not write here to make any money, but if you are working so hard to feed your family as you indicated, it is not going to happen here, for one could not even buy birdseed to feed one little bird.

      The community here is wonderful, but one surely cannot make enough to feed one's family here, especially with the amount of time spent here to no avail.

      God bless you and may he provide to you an abundance from all this time spent here on HP to help actually feed your family.

      God bless you, Faith Reaper

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      No worries, Faith, but I thank you for your concern. I do not write on HP or for that matter Bubblews for the passive income. I write here to establish my platform. My money comes from content writing for several companies and from magazine articles that are purchased. I'm just here at HP for the community and as a platform to post my articles until I need them to submit to a magazine. Money has never been a goal of mine on HP and never will be....that's why I don't rush over to Bubblews....that just isn't why I write. :)

      Thank you for your concern but I'll stay at HP simply because this is where my friends are. :)

      blessings always

      bill

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      I hear you Bill! Me too and I may have wonderful news to share in that regard soon, I pray at least! : )

      Yes, it is the community no doubt and no money for sure! I am thinking of just disabling the ads, for I do not see the point? Plus many times the ads do not match up with the subject of the hub. I was doing better before I signed up to "earn" money : ) and after a year and a couple of months I thought well, I am on here so much, might as well make a little, so I signed up to earn but ... so.... do love the community!

      Have a lovely night,

      Faith Reaper

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Faith and you do the same. Interestingly, I think Bubblews is a great site for poets....at least they can make money over there....it is for sure that HP wants nothing to do with poets of any kind.

      blessings always

      bill

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      Randi Benlulu 3 years ago from Mesa, AZ

      Well, it looks like I am a little late to this party just as I was late to bubblews. I did open an account there and was pretty interested in the easy earning. I've written about 11 posts just to see how much it paid. To be honest, I am also appalled by a lot of the posts I've read. By the same token, I have put very little time and effort towards what I've written. I simply wanted to see how much I could make. Additionally, I am not interested in the "like my post for a like on yours" This is not the kind of support you see in true writing forums. I can not begin to say how surprised I am, not so much by the number of hubbers I have seen there but by the number of them that feel this is a better forum. I understand that people are disgruntled with hubpages and feel that they are not being appreciated. I also understand that you think the only thing that matters here is writing a hub to google search standards. While I do think that is paramount to a high scoring hub, I believe there is also some quality control on content. It can be a restrictive environment and what you call "passive" income, I would have to say is "in a coma" in my little corner of the hub! But....I am rich....both in the friends I have made here on hubpages and the way I can immerse myself in the uniqueness and talent of my fellow writers. For that alone, I thank hubpages.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you for your opinion and perspective, Randi! I appreciate you so much, and to me, you and others like you are the true heart of HubPages.

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      SweetiePie 3 years ago from Southern California, USA

      Bubblews update: people need to grab their digital cameras and start taking their own pics. Of course I feel the same way about much Internet content, but I realize since I am both an artist and a writer, maybe this is just easier for me.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks SweetiePie, and I agree with you. :)

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      Rfordin 3 years ago from Florida

      Thank you for the honest review billybuc. I recently heard the babble about bubblews(sp?) and was wavering back and forth. I still may venture over there and play around with it but as you said you barely have time for one writing community the same applies to me.

      ~Becky

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Becky, it is what it is, and you can make more money over there for sure. It is a good place I think of poets, essayists and short story tellers, three groups of writers who are not treated well at HP. Good luck over there and thank you!

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      nicomp really 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

      "You most definitely do not have to worry yourself over inane concerns like writing skill."

      Let's be honest: there's no such thing as 'good writing' as far as Google or HubPages or BubbleWs are concerned. HubPages doesn't place grammatical restrictions. They don't count the number of soaring similes or pop culture references or deployments of active verbs.

      They simply cannot measure something so abstract as good writing. It's not quantifiable.

      HubPages hopes to alienate some undesirable writers by defaulting to the NOINDEX tag unless some quantifiable limits are demonstrated. BubbleWs doesn't.

      I hope that what we will eventually see demonstrated by BubbleWs is a site that isn't beholden to Google while still making money . I, for one, am sick of Google's interference with, and mystical hold on, content.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      nicomp....indeed my friend. I have to keep telling myself that HP is what it is. It makes no pretense about its goal....to make money. I choose not to play the game and my views are horrible compared to those who churn out craft and recipe hubs....but I am happy with my writing and for now that is all I need. If all someone wants is passive income then I think they are fools not to go to Bubblews as quickly as possible.....I'll stay here and be the little thorn in their side. :)

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      nicomp really 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

      Hey! I resemble that remark! My HubPages recipe hubs are not even indexed. Cyberspace is missing my treatise on grilled cheese.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...nicomp, the world has no idea what it is missing.

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      lovedoctor926 3 years ago

      Bill, are you on bubblews? I remember you said you had written one article. I've written two and made $2.64 so far, but I agree with you as far as the site.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey Doc!

      I was there for a week and wrote four articles....I haven't been there for a couple weeks now. Too much to do and I just don't like that site at all. :)

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      Barbara Anne Helberg 3 years ago from Napoleon, Henry County, Ohio, USA

      @billybuc..."So Now What", beginning of fourth sentence, I believe is where the "400 words" confusion still exists.

      You've peaked my curiosity about Bubblews...hadn't heard of it before this article. Four hundred characters is more like an expanded tweet. Hmm...what could one do with that in the sense of blogging, perhaps?

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      nicomp really 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

      @Barbsbitsnpieces : "an expanded Tweet" is a great analogy. Come on over to the Bubble side. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Barbs, go find out. You just might like it. :) A lot of people do.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      nicomp, it really is the almost perfect analogy. Thanks for weighing in.

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      Barbara Anne Helberg 3 years ago from Napoleon, Henry County, Ohio, USA

      @nicomp...Thanks for the invite! Wrote my first article last night = "The BCS Still Has It Wrong", and enjoyed the simpler format!

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      nicomp really 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

      @Barbsbitsnpieces, did you sign up with my affiliate code?

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      Barbara Anne Helberg 3 years ago from Napoleon, Henry County, Ohio, USA

      @nicomp...As of two nights ago...Over the years since 2007, I have written for Helium, Suite101, AssociatedContent (now Yahoo! Voices), Bukisa, Wizzley, Squidoo, and, most recently, Bubblews. The simplest format and greatest payout without trying is Bubblews, far and away. But who knows if it will last?

      Suite101 was the classiest site, and it recently took a dive and turned itself into a more social network relying on writer interaction and articles about writing experiences, apparently. I had over 700 articles there in Horse Racing as that category's Feature Writer, but Sweet tore everything apart, and I became disenchanted.

      I still occasionally take an assignment on Yahoo! Voices and Helium. Wizzley is fine if you enjoy writing first, which I do. Squidoo is lots of fun with contests, several of which I've won. Bukisa just announced a complete shutdown on payment for content.

      My personal feeling is that Bubblews won't last any longer than anything else, but right now, I'm having fun with it.

      Writers have to follow their own pleasure and conscience about writing well, or scurrying through article after article for as much gain as is possible. I enjoy the writing. My goal in 2007 starting out was to reach a total of 1,000 articles on the Internet. It wasn't, and still isn't, about getting paid. I get paid for other endeavors.

      I've surpassed my 1,000 article mark this year -- not counting the 13 blogs I dabble with, as well. I'm getting too far over the hill and ill to compete, so I just keep on keepin' on with my passion, writing. I'm a writer, have been since I was old enough to put pencil to paper.

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      Jo_Goldsmith11 3 years ago

      Hi Bill,

      Well there goes the idea to have bacon with my eggs and toast this morning. Oh well, no harm done. This is interesting about this other writing site. When I first dove in to really work on my writing, I landed on Blog it. I found HP and I haven't looked back since. I agree with you, friendships and the connections we make with our readers are priceless!

      And if nothing else, the readers are the ones that give us the most wealth. They choose to read what we have to say, take time to comment and vote.

      Which is why I am voting this Up +++ and shared.

      Tweeted because you deserve to be recognized for the awesomeness you are as a writer. :-)

      Shalom

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Barbs...good luck over there.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      nicomp....thanks again.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for your thoughts Barbs.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jo, these sites are what they are....Bubblews is the perfect site for some writers....just not me. :)

      Peace be with you my friend and thank you!

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      Barbara Anne Helberg 3 years ago from Napoleon, Henry County, Ohio, USA

      @billybuc...Thanks!

      I will continue to write on several sites, and personally, I don't see the point of negativity regarding any writing site. One chooses what one wants.

      All the sites I've been associated with have their better and worse points, but on all writing sites, including this one and Bubblews, I've read some very well-written material, and seen some "junk".

      The only people who are going to make lots of dollars anywhere writing on the Internet are those who understand the technology of traffic. And controversy and negativity bring a lot of that!!

      I'm just a happy, old writer! Greetings to all!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Barbs...great points. It's interesting that people thought I was attacking Bubblews...in fact all I was doing was attacking bad writing. LOL And you can find that here on HP as well as the Bubble.

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      Graham Lee 3 years ago from Lancashire. England.

      Hi Bill. Well you told'em here Bill. A spot on review well balanced as always. Nobody should be upset.

      Graham.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Graham! I was a little surprised some people got upset; I was actually talking about quality of writing on either site....oh well, I'll never be able to make everyone happy so no worries.

      bill

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      Brian Leekley 3 years ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

      Up, Useful, and Interesting. I read this hub today and all of the comments, and I am I still undecided whether to try Bubblews.

      I am in the process of drafting a HubPages article in which I mention Julia Cameron's "morning pages" practice—described in her book The Artist's Way. Both for research and out of curiosity, I have lately been writing morning pages myself. They are three longhand pages written lickety-split about whatever is on your mind first thing in the morning, for yourself alone, free of the internal editor and critic. The idea is that morning pages are a sort of dump that when written leave the mind freer for creativity the rest of the day. Most of what I write in such exercises go straight to the shredder, but once in a while there are a few lines expressing an idea that I think perhaps, with a little polish, might be worth posting on a writing tidbits site. That possibility got me thinking about trying Bubblews. HubPages likes articles to be over 1000 words long, or at least a few hundred words long, and Facebook doesn't pay for posted tidbits. So I am curious if it would make sense for me to post my too short for HubPages writings on Bubblews.

      The first of my two big questions is would Bublews be a big time suck for me? I have a novel in progress that needs work; I have a couple of short stories in progress that need work; I have a multitude of sprouted writing projects that need attention; nearly all of my published hubs need revising; I have a long list of hub first rough drafts waiting to be shaped into hubs; I am considering trying one or more of the freelance writing (ghost write as instructed) sites, and I have dirty dishes in the kitchen sink. Aside from the time it would take to write, polish, and submit posts to Bubblews, would I have to spend a lot of time on that site just being sociable—which I would love, but my question is about my time—in order to have hopes of making money there?

      My second big question is, how big of a risk is it that Bubblews would cheat me out of owed payouts?

      Would posting to Bubblews as a lower priority than fiction projects, hubbing, and chores mean not too much, or too much, time and/or risk in my situation?

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brian, you are facing the universal problem for us writers...time. I have nothing against Bubblews. I am not there because of time and the poor quality of many articles there. In a snobbish sort of way I don't want my name associated with that site. Having said that, money can be made. People are seeing payouts of $100 or more every couple weeks and that is hard to ignore if money is needed. 400 characters is nothing for most writers. It's a couple paragraphs, and if you did three or four of those per day you would see a payout soon....provided...and here's the rub....you spent time being social. Eliminate the time you spend on Facebook and Hubpages commenting and you probably have the time you need for Bubblews.

      Is there a danger of not getting paid? I have heard people complain about that, but mostly I hear people praising the site for paying when they promise to do so.....I would say the good comments far outnumber the bad as far as Bubblews is concerned.

      I hope that helps. I think your "morning pages" would be perfect for Bubblews. Nobody seems to care about grammar or real content; seems like the perfect place for random thoughts. :)

      Thanks for your thoughts and I hope I helped.

      bill

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      Brian Leekley 3 years ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

      Yes, your reply is helpful, Bill. Thanks much.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You are welcome, Brian!

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      Emma Rafferty 3 years ago from Liverpool

      This has been my favourite article so far. New to writing and even though I have started on Hubpages. I still had very little understanding about how the site works. I am going to look at Bubblews, just because in the beginning, money is money. But, I am enjoying Hubpages as well, so I will just do both, as well as my blog and other jobs. I hardly have any time, but what I have learnt, is you have to LOVE writing to do this job. Just liking it does not work.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Emma, I truly have nothing against Bubblews. There is better money to be made over there than at HP. Having said that, I think the quality of writing is important, and that was the purpose of this article. Thanks for the visit and the following...best wishes to you.

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      Karen Hellier 3 years ago from Georgia

      I can't vote in your poll Bill because I am a contributing member to both HubPages and Bubblews, and earn money from both. So I would choose a button that stated I enjoy writing and connecting with people on both sites. While it is true that there are some poorly written posts on Bubblews, there are many good writers there as well, and those for the most part, are who I choose to connect with. I have made just as many good friends on that site as I have here. I know it's too late to add anything to your poll, but I am a fan of both sites...for the record.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      And I'm happy that you are, Karen. Thanks for stopping by and sharing.

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      Mary 2 years ago from Cronulla NSW

      Interesting opinions Billy on both sites..stirred up a bit of controversy for some I see:) for the most part people need to make a living writing and have to diversify. to make money..for me I feel as you do that the quality of a written article is important. I'm choosey about what I read and am very happy hub pages has a reputation for quality writers.. I'm also grateful that I have a place to write when I want to..Cheers

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Carter. It's interesting because I never said I didn't like Bubblews...I was simply saying that poor writing is poor writing, no matter what site you are on. I appreciate your thoughts my friend.

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      Katharine L Sparrow 2 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

      I understood exactly what you meant about poor writing. I too think that writing is a craft and try to put articles together that are interesting to ME and hopefully to readers too. I am trying Bubblews, but am not impressed either.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sparrowlet, thank you. I don't mean to sound negative about Bubblews...I was trying to point out that I abhor poor writing. LOL

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      Lissa Clason 2 years ago from Fayetteville, North Carolina

      I moved here from Bubblews and I definitely like it better here. The interaction is more genuine and I have so many more ways to express ideas (adding more than one picture, being able to use video, poll and quiz modules, etc.). I feel like people are actually reading my writing here, whereas there the majority of the comments I get are generic "nice bubble, write more" blurbs with the subliminal (or sometimes blatant) message of "Look at me. Like me. Follow me so I'll make more money." Of course, there are people that are genuinely there for the sake of writing and interacting with others, but it's hard to find them. I am happy to have found some excellent writers and friends on there. I wish more of them would come over here and try out Hubpages.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lissa, thank you for that comment. I agree with you completely. I love it here, but that is only because of the community. There are some wonderful people here who actually care about what you write...and care about you as a person. I think that is invaluable.

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      Susie Lehto 2 years ago from Minnesota

      I like both HubPages and Bubblews, because I have friends on both sites. When I have time to write and interact on either site I enjoy my time equally. Good to read your review, I love it.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks colorfulone. If I had stayed on Bubblews it would have been for the relationships. That's what its all about for me.

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      Shiela Gerona 2 years ago from Philippines

      I joined Hubpages because I saw some Bubblers who happens to be members of this site. I have more friends in Bubblews - most are Asian.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you PinoyMom. I'm happy you are here with us at HP.

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      Shiela Gerona 2 years ago from Philippines

      I think writing with Bubblews and Hubpages is great. Meeting new people of same interests is wonderful.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pinoy, I love your attitude, and I agree with you completely.

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      Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

      Well I just quit Bubblews. When you write something that takes some time to research and write and then you get no views then that is time to move on. I did like the money but then they changed everything up over there and it has gone down hill from then on. People tell me that I have quams with the money issue. It may seem that way but I will tell you, if I can, what the money thing is. They took the views off of the site so we could not see them (really bad move on their part), then they changed how much we get paid for each like, or comment or view. Now they stressed that we still got paid for our views. We there are a couple of us that can add and then after I posted my series on Small Business Management and then some other smaller bubbles, the numbers did not add up to what likes and comments that I got. That is not the reason that I stopped writing there. If we are getting paid for views our banks would reflect that. Since my bank was not, then the only thing that would mean is that no-one is reading my bubbles. If I do so much research into making a series of bubble your are durn tootin I want people to read it. Now they say that we cannot delete our bubbles and so all that is tuck there for now. They are not being honest with us. That is one of my top 3 peeves...liars I cannot stand.

      I am back on Hubpages and they have done some amazing changes and I am getting paid to write here. Oh I have been here for over 6 years on and off. I like their platform, it is easy to use and you can add as many pictures as you want. They also changed that on Bubblews.

      Sorry for the long comment.

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      bradmaster from orange county ca 2 years ago

      billybuc

      I had no idea the Bubblews existed until I read your hub.

      So, I immediately went to the website, and it looks like a Windows 8 layout.

      Not bad, just different.

      I didn't like the ordering of the articles, as it was difficult to find the ones that interested me.

      The problems that I found on HP when I was a hubber was the views without comments. The other thing was that in politics and religion and other controversial topics, the comments were mostly from supporters of the ideology presented in the hubs.

      I wrote hubs to get a better perspective of the opposite views to see if I have missed something in formulating my own opinion.

      The hp forums were more like a pummeling court than a sharing of ideas. There many kings of the forum that thought they rules the roost, and maybe they actually did rule them.

      The hp questions were less hostile, but still confusing. It was difficult to sort out coherent thoughts, as mini circles were locked to their own responses.

      HP for a company that is headquartered in the heartland of socialism has a less than patriotic view of freedom of speech, and they utilize banning as a common method of censorship. Much like those found in the Spanish Inquisition, as there is no dialogue about the reason for banishment, just the sentence.

      I never wrote hubs for even a penny, as I thought I would require more money as a paid writer. Hobbies are by definition, expensive, time consuming, and worth the effort because they are enjoyable.

      Banishment took the enjoyment out of the hp writing.

      I had been on hp for three years, I wrote hundreds of hubs, I had many followers, but I guess it only took one enemy to exact an hp banishment. There was only a computer generated banishment notice, with no explanation, and no venue to find out the reason. In one instant, over one hundred and fifty hubs were unpublished, gone. They covered about a dozen different subject areas, and I guess somewhere in them was a grievance.

      Unfortunately, today there is a loss of freedom that is even more prevalent than those inflicted by hp. We have become the forgive me for saying that country. This totally flies in the face of the Freedom of Speech in our Constitution.

      Subjective and imperfect inferences are made by very smart groups that know how to affect public policy in their favor.

      The laws of defamation should be the bounding walls of Freedom of Speech and not a subjective, and calculated inference to speech.

      What ever happened to the age old adage of "sticks and stones"?

      EoR (end of rant)

      Thanks

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Debra, no reason for the sorry at the end. Thank you for sharing your experience with us.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bradmaster, thanks for the rant, and although it isn't worth much, you are absolutely correct and I agree totally. I have seen some very good writers on HP banished, slapped, and excommunicated for basically writing about topics the world needs to hear about. It is my biggest pet peeve about HP, but I have a rather long list of others.

      Anyway, I'm sorry you were treated the way you were.

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      Sparkster Publishing 2 years ago from United Kingdom

      Unfortunately Bubblews committed suicide yesterday after shooting themselves in the foot a few weeks ago - that was after they shot themselves in the other foot back in July! I have been fairly active on Bubblews since August 2013 and have made quite a lot of money there - I was making more at Bubblews per month than I do here at Hubpages. Unfortunately that can no longer happen.

      Passive income is no longer an option at Bubblews any more either - they have completely eliminated it. Older posts do not get paid for external views and new posts only earn from those views for a very short period of time. On top of this, the payment rate for external views has been cut back TWICE over the last week or so and is now less than a quarter of what it originally was. They have also HALVED payment rates for likes, views and comments!

      Before July 2014 I was making $2 per post on average at Bubblews (although one of my posts managed to clock up over $15 all on it's own with just 26 likes!). Yesterday, after these changes, I made three posts and made a measly $0.60c - yep, a BIG difference.

      Unfortunately I see no incentive to continue there, which is a shame because I really like the site and have met some great writers there. However, most of them now seem to be moving on. Bubblews doesnt really have anything special or unique about it except the fact that it used to be so popular... but now they offer nothing that I can't do at other websites anyway and the earnings there have become virtually non-existent.

      I suppose all good things must come to an end at some point.

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      Shiela Gerona 2 years ago from Philippines

      Their website encountered glitches yesterday. There are huge changes on the site which actually affected the international users. I have friends there who still continue to bubble despite the website's changes but I'm still looking forward for Bubblews to increase the earnings of all the members.

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      Nathan Bernardo 2 years ago from California, United States of America

      Thought I'd throw in my 2 cents, after having read others who are giving up on Bubblews. Like others have said, the site really isn't worth it. I was making a little bit of passive income there, but not anymore. Don't have a lot to say about it, except I haven't been on Bubblews in awhile and have little desire to return; except to check what's in the bank. Lots of drivel and dross there, not much incentive to write there.

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      Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

      sparkster To add to that you cannot gain anything from past posts like you could before. Lucky me I have ever single post that I made in a word doc file. Writing the Small Business Management crash course really took lots of time to write up and it is breaking my heart becaue no one is able or is viewing it. I have lots of other series posts to on there which now get no views at all. I am not worried about the money. I was getting paid there good, well good for me, money and wasn't here. Things changed and well I teach and if no one can read my *lessons, then what it the use and I will put them up on someone else that people can see, read and take notice of.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sparkster, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm always sad to hear that good writers lose out in situations like this. Without the writers, these sites would make no money at all.....well, I'm glad you are here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pinoy, so I keep hearing. That really is too bad. I'm sorry if it has affected you....don't let discouragement keep you from writing.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nate, I really am sorry to hear that, because I have quite a few HP friends who went there and poured their hears and souls into it...to see it fail is sad. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks, Debra, for adding to the discussion with your experience.

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      bradmaster from orange county ca 2 years ago

      billybuc

      Thanks for the venue and the empathy.

      I am amazed, that you have found the secret of overcoming viewer reluctance to opine.

      Keep up the great work.

      Thanks

      bradmasterOC

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      Sparkster Publishing 2 years ago from United Kingdom

      @LadyGuinevere I know some of the articles which you are referring to, I remember reading a few of them and they are too good for Bubblews - lucky you kept a copy of them, they do deserve to be published elsewhere and to be honest, there are many options - I have a HUGE list of other writing websites to try out.

      @Billybuc Yep, I'm still here at Hubpages! I actually make payout here every single month yet haven't published a hub in ten months (although I am working on some new ones). I may still make the odd post at Bubblews but it won't be anywhere near as often or anything like I have been doing.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bradmaster, I'm not sure what my secret is regarding viewer reluctance to opine, but I'm glad I found it. I love the interaction between us all here. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, sparkster, I'm glad you are here. I believe in this community of writers, and hopefully, one day, the HP staff will as well.

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      Steve Andrews 2 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      A very balanced review of the two sites I thought and I have selected Useful for it. Bubblews was making me more money but has recently stopped doing so. HubPages has paid me a fairly regular passive income whether I have been here or not and, though I prefer the speed of writing short articles at Bubblews this place is the better of the two in my opinion for quality of writing.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you, Bard, for sharing your experience. I think you summed the two sites up pretty well.

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      amazmerizing 2 years ago from PACIFIC NORTHWEST, USA

      Interesting... i have accounts in both now, and yes I have been paid in Bubblews, and no not very much but it isnt for payment otherwise I would be elsewhere, obvi! Love the hub! ;)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you amazmerizing....I'm glad you are finding what you want in both sites.

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      Molly Layton 2 years ago from Alberta

      Interesting. I heard Bubblews was having problems with payment as of late. What do you mean by "errors in basic intelligence"?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Molly! Is Bubblews even around any longer? You could see those problems from a mile off...at least some of us could.

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      BubbleWs is around... some people haven't figured out they won't make money.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks nicomp...I didn't realize they still existed.

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      Here's an easy way to check... type

      www.bubblews.com

      into your browser and press the Enter key.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks nicomp....I would but there is nothing there that interests me. :)

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      Robert Morgan 24 months ago from Hutchinson Island, FL - Myrtle Beach, SC - Scottsdale AZ

      Hi Bill, another great hub. I looked at bubblews, and decided to come on to HubPages and learn to write. I'm sure bubblews has its place, but I want to become a better writer and the community on HubPages seems dedicated to helping us newbies become better at our craft. Thanks for all of your great hubs and down to earth advice. Blessings, Bobby

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      Bill Holland 24 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Bobby, I'm glad you came back. We've lost too many good writers and I like hanging on to friends I meet.

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