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Bubblews and HubPages: A Look At Two Online Writing Communities

Updated on September 26, 2014

Curiosity Killed the Cat

Yes, it was curiosity that led me to Bubblews one day last week. Quite a few of my friends at HubPages had made the switch to Bubblews, and I thought to myself what the heck, why not head over there and see what all the excitement is about.

After one week I am left with an old saying my dad used to share with me. No matter how well you dress a pig, at the end of the day it is still a pig.

I have never hidden the fact that I am a writing snob. In fact, I am proud of it. I believe writing is a craft, an art, and as such it should be treated with respect and tender loving care. I don’t much care whether you are writing for Bubblews or HubPages or for your college professor; the goal should always be to improve the craft.

Why? Seriously? Because ignorance is overrunning our society today, and we need all the beauty we can find, and a perfectly crafted story is beauty.

Why? Seriously? Because we live in a society built around convenience and instant gratification, and there is something to be said for working hard for quality results.

So what did I find during my sojourn to Bubblews?

More on Bubblews

My thoughts on Bubblews
My thoughts on Bubblews

What Is Bubblews?

Without going into detail, Bubblews is another of the ever-increasing online writing communities where you get paid to write. Ads are placed on your writings and you get paid a percentage depending on the amount of traffic you bring to the site. Every single time you click on someone else’s article you get paid. Every single time you comment or hit the “like” button or someone else clicks on your article, you get paid. The more you become a part of the community and the more you interact, the more you get paid.

In truth I made more in one day on Bubblews than I make in three days on HubPages, so it did not take me long to understand why so many writers are making the switch. Those who are chasing passive income are finding that payouts are much faster on Bubblews than on HubPages, and they are also finding that there are fewer hoops to jump through on Bubblews.

There seems to be only one requirement on Bubblews and that is that your article must be at least 400 characters. You do not have to add pictures or polls or tables or videos or any of the other nonsense that HubPages leans so heavily on. You simply kick out 400 characters on any subject and then start playing the community game, gathering views and clicks and likes and storing them away in your account.

You most definitely do not have to worry yourself over inane concerns like writing skill.

Some helpful tips for HubPages

Contemplating life on HubPages
Contemplating life on HubPages

My Impressions

The first thing that struck me, and it struck me with hurricane force, is that quality is neither valued nor devalued on Bubblews. I read some incredibly bad articles during my week there, and I mean so bad that they would have received an F from me if I were grading them in one of my middle school classrooms. Spelling errors, grammatical errors, errors in logic and errors in basic intelligence, all were on display on Bubblews, gathering clicks from the faithful and increasing the bank proceeds.

Of course, the same can be said for HubPages. The only difference is that HubPages puts a dress on the pig rather than allow it to run around naked.

No matter how well you dress a pig, at the end of the day it is still a pig.

Thanks, Dad, and I totally agree.

No, I am not a HubPages snob. Make no mistake about it, HubPages does not concern itself one iota with quality control. The quality of writing is not important at HP nor is it important at Bubblews. At HP it is infinitely more important that all the capsules be used, and that keywords be used, and that articles are “Google friendly.” At Bubblews it is only important how many people you can entice to read your article and quality be damned.

No matter how well you dress a pig, at the end of the day it is still a pig.

Which do you prefer, HubPages or Bubblews?

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So Now What?

Well, I’ll answer that question by first stating that if you are in this only to make some passive income, your best odds are with Bubblews. Your share of the ad income is larger there, and the potential for income is greater there, provided they don’t burn out and disappear in the near future. The other attractive feature for those of you in search of income alone is that you don’t have to expend so much effort writing articles. 400 words is a piece of cake, and even the most challenged writers can kick out two or three of those articles in a day and increase income.

Having said all that, I will stay at HubPages. I don’t have the time to be an active member of two sites, so HP is my choice. Make no mistake about it, I am not staying with HP because I love the site because I do not. I don’t give a damn about the pennies they pay in passive income; in fact, I find it a bit insulting, and I find their condescending tone and attitude to be insulting as well.

No, I will continue to write for HP because that is where my friends are, and friendship is one of the qualities I hold most dear. HubPages is where I got my start. It is where some very compassionate people who were HP veterans took a chance on a fledgling writer and showered him with support until he gained confidence in his writing abilities.

I will stay with HubPages because of you, my followers and friends, and for no other reason.

I do not need HubPages, or Bubblews, to become a better writer, and that is my goal, to be the best writer I can possibly be. Neither site does anything to help me in that undertaking; in fact, I don’t think they are capable of helping me in that undertaking.

So it is and so it shall be. The true value of HP is the congregation of good people who also believe that writing is a craft. They work that craft, and they struggle as all writers do, and at the end of the day they dig down deep and find the time and desire to reach out to other writers and lift them up when they are struggling.

I am proud to be a part of the HubPages Community, and here I shall remain, despite the fact that there are a whole lot of pigs walking around the site wearing dresses.

AUTHOR'S NOTE: Since I wrote this over a month ago, I received, for the most part, positive feedback. There were several readers, though, who felt I was attacking Bubblews,and that simply is not the case. I am attacking poor writing no matter where you might find it. The pig in my references represents writing of substandard quality. As a former teacher I am tired of nouns and vowels masquerading as real writing. Writing is so much more than that, and as an art form should be treated with respect. I apologize if somehow I insulted someone; that certainly was not my intention.

2013 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

“Helping writers to spread their wings and fly.”

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bobby, I'm glad you came back. We've lost too many good writers and I like hanging on to friends I meet.

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      Robert Morgan 2 years ago from Hutchinson Island, FL - Myrtle Beach, SC - Scottsdale AZ

      Hi Bill, another great hub. I looked at bubblews, and decided to come on to HubPages and learn to write. I'm sure bubblews has its place, but I want to become a better writer and the community on HubPages seems dedicated to helping us newbies become better at our craft. Thanks for all of your great hubs and down to earth advice. Blessings, Bobby

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks nicomp....I would but there is nothing there that interests me. :)

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      Here's an easy way to check... type

      www.bubblews.com

      into your browser and press the Enter key.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks nicomp...I didn't realize they still existed.

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      nicomp really 2 years ago from Ohio, USA

      BubbleWs is around... some people haven't figured out they won't make money.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Molly! Is Bubblews even around any longer? You could see those problems from a mile off...at least some of us could.

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      Molly Layton 2 years ago from Alberta

      Interesting. I heard Bubblews was having problems with payment as of late. What do you mean by "errors in basic intelligence"?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you amazmerizing....I'm glad you are finding what you want in both sites.

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      amazmerizing 2 years ago from PACIFIC NORTHWEST, USA

      Interesting... i have accounts in both now, and yes I have been paid in Bubblews, and no not very much but it isnt for payment otherwise I would be elsewhere, obvi! Love the hub! ;)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you, Bard, for sharing your experience. I think you summed the two sites up pretty well.

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      Steve Andrews 2 years ago from Lisbon, Portugal

      A very balanced review of the two sites I thought and I have selected Useful for it. Bubblews was making me more money but has recently stopped doing so. HubPages has paid me a fairly regular passive income whether I have been here or not and, though I prefer the speed of writing short articles at Bubblews this place is the better of the two in my opinion for quality of writing.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, sparkster, I'm glad you are here. I believe in this community of writers, and hopefully, one day, the HP staff will as well.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bradmaster, I'm not sure what my secret is regarding viewer reluctance to opine, but I'm glad I found it. I love the interaction between us all here. Thank you!

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      Sparkster Publishing 3 years ago from United Kingdom

      @LadyGuinevere I know some of the articles which you are referring to, I remember reading a few of them and they are too good for Bubblews - lucky you kept a copy of them, they do deserve to be published elsewhere and to be honest, there are many options - I have a HUGE list of other writing websites to try out.

      @Billybuc Yep, I'm still here at Hubpages! I actually make payout here every single month yet haven't published a hub in ten months (although I am working on some new ones). I may still make the odd post at Bubblews but it won't be anywhere near as often or anything like I have been doing.

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      bradmaster from orange county ca 3 years ago

      billybuc

      Thanks for the venue and the empathy.

      I am amazed, that you have found the secret of overcoming viewer reluctance to opine.

      Keep up the great work.

      Thanks

      bradmasterOC

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks, Debra, for adding to the discussion with your experience.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nate, I really am sorry to hear that, because I have quite a few HP friends who went there and poured their hears and souls into it...to see it fail is sad. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pinoy, so I keep hearing. That really is too bad. I'm sorry if it has affected you....don't let discouragement keep you from writing.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sparkster, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm always sad to hear that good writers lose out in situations like this. Without the writers, these sites would make no money at all.....well, I'm glad you are here.

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      Debra Allen 3 years ago from West By God

      sparkster To add to that you cannot gain anything from past posts like you could before. Lucky me I have ever single post that I made in a word doc file. Writing the Small Business Management crash course really took lots of time to write up and it is breaking my heart becaue no one is able or is viewing it. I have lots of other series posts to on there which now get no views at all. I am not worried about the money. I was getting paid there good, well good for me, money and wasn't here. Things changed and well I teach and if no one can read my *lessons, then what it the use and I will put them up on someone else that people can see, read and take notice of.

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      Nathan Bernardo 3 years ago from California, United States of America

      Thought I'd throw in my 2 cents, after having read others who are giving up on Bubblews. Like others have said, the site really isn't worth it. I was making a little bit of passive income there, but not anymore. Don't have a lot to say about it, except I haven't been on Bubblews in awhile and have little desire to return; except to check what's in the bank. Lots of drivel and dross there, not much incentive to write there.

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      Shiela Gerona 3 years ago from Philippines

      Their website encountered glitches yesterday. There are huge changes on the site which actually affected the international users. I have friends there who still continue to bubble despite the website's changes but I'm still looking forward for Bubblews to increase the earnings of all the members.

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      Sparkster Publishing 3 years ago from United Kingdom

      Unfortunately Bubblews committed suicide yesterday after shooting themselves in the foot a few weeks ago - that was after they shot themselves in the other foot back in July! I have been fairly active on Bubblews since August 2013 and have made quite a lot of money there - I was making more at Bubblews per month than I do here at Hubpages. Unfortunately that can no longer happen.

      Passive income is no longer an option at Bubblews any more either - they have completely eliminated it. Older posts do not get paid for external views and new posts only earn from those views for a very short period of time. On top of this, the payment rate for external views has been cut back TWICE over the last week or so and is now less than a quarter of what it originally was. They have also HALVED payment rates for likes, views and comments!

      Before July 2014 I was making $2 per post on average at Bubblews (although one of my posts managed to clock up over $15 all on it's own with just 26 likes!). Yesterday, after these changes, I made three posts and made a measly $0.60c - yep, a BIG difference.

      Unfortunately I see no incentive to continue there, which is a shame because I really like the site and have met some great writers there. However, most of them now seem to be moving on. Bubblews doesnt really have anything special or unique about it except the fact that it used to be so popular... but now they offer nothing that I can't do at other websites anyway and the earnings there have become virtually non-existent.

      I suppose all good things must come to an end at some point.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bradmaster, thanks for the rant, and although it isn't worth much, you are absolutely correct and I agree totally. I have seen some very good writers on HP banished, slapped, and excommunicated for basically writing about topics the world needs to hear about. It is my biggest pet peeve about HP, but I have a rather long list of others.

      Anyway, I'm sorry you were treated the way you were.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Debra, no reason for the sorry at the end. Thank you for sharing your experience with us.

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      bradmaster from orange county ca 3 years ago

      billybuc

      I had no idea the Bubblews existed until I read your hub.

      So, I immediately went to the website, and it looks like a Windows 8 layout.

      Not bad, just different.

      I didn't like the ordering of the articles, as it was difficult to find the ones that interested me.

      The problems that I found on HP when I was a hubber was the views without comments. The other thing was that in politics and religion and other controversial topics, the comments were mostly from supporters of the ideology presented in the hubs.

      I wrote hubs to get a better perspective of the opposite views to see if I have missed something in formulating my own opinion.

      The hp forums were more like a pummeling court than a sharing of ideas. There many kings of the forum that thought they rules the roost, and maybe they actually did rule them.

      The hp questions were less hostile, but still confusing. It was difficult to sort out coherent thoughts, as mini circles were locked to their own responses.

      HP for a company that is headquartered in the heartland of socialism has a less than patriotic view of freedom of speech, and they utilize banning as a common method of censorship. Much like those found in the Spanish Inquisition, as there is no dialogue about the reason for banishment, just the sentence.

      I never wrote hubs for even a penny, as I thought I would require more money as a paid writer. Hobbies are by definition, expensive, time consuming, and worth the effort because they are enjoyable.

      Banishment took the enjoyment out of the hp writing.

      I had been on hp for three years, I wrote hundreds of hubs, I had many followers, but I guess it only took one enemy to exact an hp banishment. There was only a computer generated banishment notice, with no explanation, and no venue to find out the reason. In one instant, over one hundred and fifty hubs were unpublished, gone. They covered about a dozen different subject areas, and I guess somewhere in them was a grievance.

      Unfortunately, today there is a loss of freedom that is even more prevalent than those inflicted by hp. We have become the forgive me for saying that country. This totally flies in the face of the Freedom of Speech in our Constitution.

      Subjective and imperfect inferences are made by very smart groups that know how to affect public policy in their favor.

      The laws of defamation should be the bounding walls of Freedom of Speech and not a subjective, and calculated inference to speech.

      What ever happened to the age old adage of "sticks and stones"?

      EoR (end of rant)

      Thanks

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      Debra Allen 3 years ago from West By God

      Well I just quit Bubblews. When you write something that takes some time to research and write and then you get no views then that is time to move on. I did like the money but then they changed everything up over there and it has gone down hill from then on. People tell me that I have quams with the money issue. It may seem that way but I will tell you, if I can, what the money thing is. They took the views off of the site so we could not see them (really bad move on their part), then they changed how much we get paid for each like, or comment or view. Now they stressed that we still got paid for our views. We there are a couple of us that can add and then after I posted my series on Small Business Management and then some other smaller bubbles, the numbers did not add up to what likes and comments that I got. That is not the reason that I stopped writing there. If we are getting paid for views our banks would reflect that. Since my bank was not, then the only thing that would mean is that no-one is reading my bubbles. If I do so much research into making a series of bubble your are durn tootin I want people to read it. Now they say that we cannot delete our bubbles and so all that is tuck there for now. They are not being honest with us. That is one of my top 3 peeves...liars I cannot stand.

      I am back on Hubpages and they have done some amazing changes and I am getting paid to write here. Oh I have been here for over 6 years on and off. I like their platform, it is easy to use and you can add as many pictures as you want. They also changed that on Bubblews.

      Sorry for the long comment.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pinoy, I love your attitude, and I agree with you completely.

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      Shiela Gerona 3 years ago from Philippines

      I think writing with Bubblews and Hubpages is great. Meeting new people of same interests is wonderful.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you PinoyMom. I'm happy you are here with us at HP.

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      Shiela Gerona 3 years ago from Philippines

      I joined Hubpages because I saw some Bubblers who happens to be members of this site. I have more friends in Bubblews - most are Asian.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks colorfulone. If I had stayed on Bubblews it would have been for the relationships. That's what its all about for me.

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      Susie Lehto 3 years ago from Minnesota

      I like both HubPages and Bubblews, because I have friends on both sites. When I have time to write and interact on either site I enjoy my time equally. Good to read your review, I love it.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Lissa, thank you for that comment. I agree with you completely. I love it here, but that is only because of the community. There are some wonderful people here who actually care about what you write...and care about you as a person. I think that is invaluable.

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      Lissa Clason 3 years ago from Fayetteville, North Carolina

      I moved here from Bubblews and I definitely like it better here. The interaction is more genuine and I have so many more ways to express ideas (adding more than one picture, being able to use video, poll and quiz modules, etc.). I feel like people are actually reading my writing here, whereas there the majority of the comments I get are generic "nice bubble, write more" blurbs with the subliminal (or sometimes blatant) message of "Look at me. Like me. Follow me so I'll make more money." Of course, there are people that are genuinely there for the sake of writing and interacting with others, but it's hard to find them. I am happy to have found some excellent writers and friends on there. I wish more of them would come over here and try out Hubpages.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sparrowlet, thank you. I don't mean to sound negative about Bubblews...I was trying to point out that I abhor poor writing. LOL

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      Katharine L Sparrow 3 years ago from Massachusetts, USA

      I understood exactly what you meant about poor writing. I too think that writing is a craft and try to put articles together that are interesting to ME and hopefully to readers too. I am trying Bubblews, but am not impressed either.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Carter. It's interesting because I never said I didn't like Bubblews...I was simply saying that poor writing is poor writing, no matter what site you are on. I appreciate your thoughts my friend.

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      Mary 3 years ago from Cronulla NSW

      Interesting opinions Billy on both sites..stirred up a bit of controversy for some I see:) for the most part people need to make a living writing and have to diversify. to make money..for me I feel as you do that the quality of a written article is important. I'm choosey about what I read and am very happy hub pages has a reputation for quality writers.. I'm also grateful that I have a place to write when I want to..Cheers

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      And I'm happy that you are, Karen. Thanks for stopping by and sharing.

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      Karen Hellier 3 years ago from Georgia

      I can't vote in your poll Bill because I am a contributing member to both HubPages and Bubblews, and earn money from both. So I would choose a button that stated I enjoy writing and connecting with people on both sites. While it is true that there are some poorly written posts on Bubblews, there are many good writers there as well, and those for the most part, are who I choose to connect with. I have made just as many good friends on that site as I have here. I know it's too late to add anything to your poll, but I am a fan of both sites...for the record.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Emma, I truly have nothing against Bubblews. There is better money to be made over there than at HP. Having said that, I think the quality of writing is important, and that was the purpose of this article. Thanks for the visit and the following...best wishes to you.

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      Emma Rafferty 3 years ago from Liverpool

      This has been my favourite article so far. New to writing and even though I have started on Hubpages. I still had very little understanding about how the site works. I am going to look at Bubblews, just because in the beginning, money is money. But, I am enjoying Hubpages as well, so I will just do both, as well as my blog and other jobs. I hardly have any time, but what I have learnt, is you have to LOVE writing to do this job. Just liking it does not work.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      You are welcome, Brian!

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      Brian Leekley 3 years ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

      Yes, your reply is helpful, Bill. Thanks much.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brian, you are facing the universal problem for us writers...time. I have nothing against Bubblews. I am not there because of time and the poor quality of many articles there. In a snobbish sort of way I don't want my name associated with that site. Having said that, money can be made. People are seeing payouts of $100 or more every couple weeks and that is hard to ignore if money is needed. 400 characters is nothing for most writers. It's a couple paragraphs, and if you did three or four of those per day you would see a payout soon....provided...and here's the rub....you spent time being social. Eliminate the time you spend on Facebook and Hubpages commenting and you probably have the time you need for Bubblews.

      Is there a danger of not getting paid? I have heard people complain about that, but mostly I hear people praising the site for paying when they promise to do so.....I would say the good comments far outnumber the bad as far as Bubblews is concerned.

      I hope that helps. I think your "morning pages" would be perfect for Bubblews. Nobody seems to care about grammar or real content; seems like the perfect place for random thoughts. :)

      Thanks for your thoughts and I hope I helped.

      bill

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      Brian Leekley 3 years ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

      Up, Useful, and Interesting. I read this hub today and all of the comments, and I am I still undecided whether to try Bubblews.

      I am in the process of drafting a HubPages article in which I mention Julia Cameron's "morning pages" practice—described in her book The Artist's Way. Both for research and out of curiosity, I have lately been writing morning pages myself. They are three longhand pages written lickety-split about whatever is on your mind first thing in the morning, for yourself alone, free of the internal editor and critic. The idea is that morning pages are a sort of dump that when written leave the mind freer for creativity the rest of the day. Most of what I write in such exercises go straight to the shredder, but once in a while there are a few lines expressing an idea that I think perhaps, with a little polish, might be worth posting on a writing tidbits site. That possibility got me thinking about trying Bubblews. HubPages likes articles to be over 1000 words long, or at least a few hundred words long, and Facebook doesn't pay for posted tidbits. So I am curious if it would make sense for me to post my too short for HubPages writings on Bubblews.

      The first of my two big questions is would Bublews be a big time suck for me? I have a novel in progress that needs work; I have a couple of short stories in progress that need work; I have a multitude of sprouted writing projects that need attention; nearly all of my published hubs need revising; I have a long list of hub first rough drafts waiting to be shaped into hubs; I am considering trying one or more of the freelance writing (ghost write as instructed) sites, and I have dirty dishes in the kitchen sink. Aside from the time it would take to write, polish, and submit posts to Bubblews, would I have to spend a lot of time on that site just being sociable—which I would love, but my question is about my time—in order to have hopes of making money there?

      My second big question is, how big of a risk is it that Bubblews would cheat me out of owed payouts?

      Would posting to Bubblews as a lower priority than fiction projects, hubbing, and chores mean not too much, or too much, time and/or risk in my situation?

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Graham! I was a little surprised some people got upset; I was actually talking about quality of writing on either site....oh well, I'll never be able to make everyone happy so no worries.

      bill

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      Graham Lee 3 years ago from Lancashire. England.

      Hi Bill. Well you told'em here Bill. A spot on review well balanced as always. Nobody should be upset.

      Graham.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Barbs...great points. It's interesting that people thought I was attacking Bubblews...in fact all I was doing was attacking bad writing. LOL And you can find that here on HP as well as the Bubble.

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      Barbara Anne Helberg 4 years ago from Napoleon, Henry County, Ohio, USA

      @billybuc...Thanks!

      I will continue to write on several sites, and personally, I don't see the point of negativity regarding any writing site. One chooses what one wants.

      All the sites I've been associated with have their better and worse points, but on all writing sites, including this one and Bubblews, I've read some very well-written material, and seen some "junk".

      The only people who are going to make lots of dollars anywhere writing on the Internet are those who understand the technology of traffic. And controversy and negativity bring a lot of that!!

      I'm just a happy, old writer! Greetings to all!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jo, these sites are what they are....Bubblews is the perfect site for some writers....just not me. :)

      Peace be with you my friend and thank you!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for your thoughts Barbs.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      nicomp....thanks again.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Barbs...good luck over there.

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      Jo_Goldsmith11 4 years ago

      Hi Bill,

      Well there goes the idea to have bacon with my eggs and toast this morning. Oh well, no harm done. This is interesting about this other writing site. When I first dove in to really work on my writing, I landed on Blog it. I found HP and I haven't looked back since. I agree with you, friendships and the connections we make with our readers are priceless!

      And if nothing else, the readers are the ones that give us the most wealth. They choose to read what we have to say, take time to comment and vote.

      Which is why I am voting this Up +++ and shared.

      Tweeted because you deserve to be recognized for the awesomeness you are as a writer. :-)

      Shalom

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      Barbara Anne Helberg 4 years ago from Napoleon, Henry County, Ohio, USA

      @nicomp...As of two nights ago...Over the years since 2007, I have written for Helium, Suite101, AssociatedContent (now Yahoo! Voices), Bukisa, Wizzley, Squidoo, and, most recently, Bubblews. The simplest format and greatest payout without trying is Bubblews, far and away. But who knows if it will last?

      Suite101 was the classiest site, and it recently took a dive and turned itself into a more social network relying on writer interaction and articles about writing experiences, apparently. I had over 700 articles there in Horse Racing as that category's Feature Writer, but Sweet tore everything apart, and I became disenchanted.

      I still occasionally take an assignment on Yahoo! Voices and Helium. Wizzley is fine if you enjoy writing first, which I do. Squidoo is lots of fun with contests, several of which I've won. Bukisa just announced a complete shutdown on payment for content.

      My personal feeling is that Bubblews won't last any longer than anything else, but right now, I'm having fun with it.

      Writers have to follow their own pleasure and conscience about writing well, or scurrying through article after article for as much gain as is possible. I enjoy the writing. My goal in 2007 starting out was to reach a total of 1,000 articles on the Internet. It wasn't, and still isn't, about getting paid. I get paid for other endeavors.

      I've surpassed my 1,000 article mark this year -- not counting the 13 blogs I dabble with, as well. I'm getting too far over the hill and ill to compete, so I just keep on keepin' on with my passion, writing. I'm a writer, have been since I was old enough to put pencil to paper.

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      nicomp really 4 years ago from Ohio, USA

      @Barbsbitsnpieces, did you sign up with my affiliate code?

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      Barbara Anne Helberg 4 years ago from Napoleon, Henry County, Ohio, USA

      @nicomp...Thanks for the invite! Wrote my first article last night = "The BCS Still Has It Wrong", and enjoyed the simpler format!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      nicomp, it really is the almost perfect analogy. Thanks for weighing in.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Barbs, go find out. You just might like it. :) A lot of people do.

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      nicomp really 4 years ago from Ohio, USA

      @Barbsbitsnpieces : "an expanded Tweet" is a great analogy. Come on over to the Bubble side. :)

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      Barbara Anne Helberg 4 years ago from Napoleon, Henry County, Ohio, USA

      @billybuc..."So Now What", beginning of fourth sentence, I believe is where the "400 words" confusion still exists.

      You've peaked my curiosity about Bubblews...hadn't heard of it before this article. Four hundred characters is more like an expanded tweet. Hmm...what could one do with that in the sense of blogging, perhaps?

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey Doc!

      I was there for a week and wrote four articles....I haven't been there for a couple weeks now. Too much to do and I just don't like that site at all. :)

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      lovedoctor926 4 years ago

      Bill, are you on bubblews? I remember you said you had written one article. I've written two and made $2.64 so far, but I agree with you as far as the site.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...nicomp, the world has no idea what it is missing.

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      nicomp really 4 years ago from Ohio, USA

      Hey! I resemble that remark! My HubPages recipe hubs are not even indexed. Cyberspace is missing my treatise on grilled cheese.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      nicomp....indeed my friend. I have to keep telling myself that HP is what it is. It makes no pretense about its goal....to make money. I choose not to play the game and my views are horrible compared to those who churn out craft and recipe hubs....but I am happy with my writing and for now that is all I need. If all someone wants is passive income then I think they are fools not to go to Bubblews as quickly as possible.....I'll stay here and be the little thorn in their side. :)

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      nicomp really 4 years ago from Ohio, USA

      "You most definitely do not have to worry yourself over inane concerns like writing skill."

      Let's be honest: there's no such thing as 'good writing' as far as Google or HubPages or BubbleWs are concerned. HubPages doesn't place grammatical restrictions. They don't count the number of soaring similes or pop culture references or deployments of active verbs.

      They simply cannot measure something so abstract as good writing. It's not quantifiable.

      HubPages hopes to alienate some undesirable writers by defaulting to the NOINDEX tag unless some quantifiable limits are demonstrated. BubbleWs doesn't.

      I hope that what we will eventually see demonstrated by BubbleWs is a site that isn't beholden to Google while still making money . I, for one, am sick of Google's interference with, and mystical hold on, content.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Becky, it is what it is, and you can make more money over there for sure. It is a good place I think of poets, essayists and short story tellers, three groups of writers who are not treated well at HP. Good luck over there and thank you!

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      Rfordin 4 years ago from Florida

      Thank you for the honest review billybuc. I recently heard the babble about bubblews(sp?) and was wavering back and forth. I still may venture over there and play around with it but as you said you barely have time for one writing community the same applies to me.

      ~Becky

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks SweetiePie, and I agree with you. :)

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      SweetiePie 4 years ago from Southern California, USA

      Bubblews update: people need to grab their digital cameras and start taking their own pics. Of course I feel the same way about much Internet content, but I realize since I am both an artist and a writer, maybe this is just easier for me.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you for your opinion and perspective, Randi! I appreciate you so much, and to me, you and others like you are the true heart of HubPages.

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      Randi Benlulu 4 years ago from Mesa, AZ

      Well, it looks like I am a little late to this party just as I was late to bubblews. I did open an account there and was pretty interested in the easy earning. I've written about 11 posts just to see how much it paid. To be honest, I am also appalled by a lot of the posts I've read. By the same token, I have put very little time and effort towards what I've written. I simply wanted to see how much I could make. Additionally, I am not interested in the "like my post for a like on yours" This is not the kind of support you see in true writing forums. I can not begin to say how surprised I am, not so much by the number of hubbers I have seen there but by the number of them that feel this is a better forum. I understand that people are disgruntled with hubpages and feel that they are not being appreciated. I also understand that you think the only thing that matters here is writing a hub to google search standards. While I do think that is paramount to a high scoring hub, I believe there is also some quality control on content. It can be a restrictive environment and what you call "passive" income, I would have to say is "in a coma" in my little corner of the hub! But....I am rich....both in the friends I have made here on hubpages and the way I can immerse myself in the uniqueness and talent of my fellow writers. For that alone, I thank hubpages.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Faith and you do the same. Interestingly, I think Bubblews is a great site for poets....at least they can make money over there....it is for sure that HP wants nothing to do with poets of any kind.

      blessings always

      bill

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      Faith Reaper 4 years ago from southern USA

      I hear you Bill! Me too and I may have wonderful news to share in that regard soon, I pray at least! : )

      Yes, it is the community no doubt and no money for sure! I am thinking of just disabling the ads, for I do not see the point? Plus many times the ads do not match up with the subject of the hub. I was doing better before I signed up to "earn" money : ) and after a year and a couple of months I thought well, I am on here so much, might as well make a little, so I signed up to earn but ... so.... do love the community!

      Have a lovely night,

      Faith Reaper

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      No worries, Faith, but I thank you for your concern. I do not write on HP or for that matter Bubblews for the passive income. I write here to establish my platform. My money comes from content writing for several companies and from magazine articles that are purchased. I'm just here at HP for the community and as a platform to post my articles until I need them to submit to a magazine. Money has never been a goal of mine on HP and never will be....that's why I don't rush over to Bubblews....that just isn't why I write. :)

      Thank you for your concern but I'll stay at HP simply because this is where my friends are. :)

      blessings always

      bill

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      Faith Reaper 4 years ago from southern USA

      Oh, God bless you Bill, for working so hard to feed your family as you responded to Drive By, then please by all means, go and check out Bubblews and not have to work so hard and actually get paid an amount where you can feed your family more so than the mere pennies here on HP and for all of the time spent here, where time spent elsewhere could actually in reality feed the family at least one meal. HP takes a lot of time and for mere pennies, although I know we do not write here to make any money, but if you are working so hard to feed your family as you indicated, it is not going to happen here, for one could not even buy birdseed to feed one little bird.

      The community here is wonderful, but one surely cannot make enough to feed one's family here, especially with the amount of time spent here to no avail.

      God bless you and may he provide to you an abundance from all this time spent here on HP to help actually feed your family.

      God bless you, Faith Reaper

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, I'm really happy for you. The whole point of this article was to say there is bad writing at Bubblews and bad writing at HP....thus the pig reference. In fact, I bad-mouthed HP more than Bubblews. :)

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      Mary Hyatt 4 years ago from Florida

      Hi, I think you will find the quality of writing at Bubblews has improved a lot. Maybe that's cause so many good writers from HP have gone there. Do me a favor and go by and check them out again. Look for Hubbers that you know write interesting informative articles, and you will see their attitude on good writing follows them. So far I am enjoying writing there very much.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Drive By....great line. Hobby? What's that? I'm too busy trying to feed my family. :) Thanks for the smile this morning.

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      Drive By Quipper 4 years ago from Wrong Side of Town

      They are both nice if you have time for a hobby.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Actually, Rosemay, it is an opinion piece and as such is about as important as a roll of toilet paper. Who really cares what I think of HP or Bubblews?

      More importantly, though, is the fact that my piece is about bad writing....the attack, if you read closely enough, is against poor writing and not Bubblews. I am harsher in my words about HP than I am about Bubblews. The pig in this metaphor is poor writing.

      Thanks for stopping by.

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      Rosemary Sadler 4 years ago from Hawkes Bay - NewZealand

      This is a little harsh Bill. Really the two sites are completely different, like comparing aplles with oranges. HP is a great place to be for its community but Bubblews is the place to write short articles and get paid for them. It's true that there is a lot of garbage over there but even I have noticed since March that the quality is picking up. As readers start to see good articles written by good writers just how long do you think the those who write low quality will last.

      I believe that this is just the beginning and Bubblews will grow, not only in number but as a quality site too.

      HP don't appreciate my poetry so why wouldn't I place it somewhere else where I will earn something from it?

      I published a poem here yesterday knowing full well that in two or three months time, maybe even less that it will be 'unfeatured'

      Bubblews is a fairly new site and you can't really expect it to run before it can walk, and none of us have any idea of future plans or changes that may be made.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      May, I think that make s great sense for poems and book reviews and the like. It is obvious that HubPages has no use for them, and if you can make some money with them then fantastic. Good luck!

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      May Galnou 4 years ago from Melbourne, Australia

      Thanks billybuc. One day I might delete a couple of my hubs from here - book reviews that are no longer featured and no one ever reads, pop them on Bubblews and see if anyone finds them on there. I don't see myself spending my days clicking on other articles for money though!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      May, thanks for dropping by. Bubblews is what it is....a quicker way to make money if you have the time to build up a following....nothing more and nothing less. :)

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      May Galnou 4 years ago from Melbourne, Australia

      Thanks billybuc, Nell Rose recommended this article to me, because I was mystified about what Bubblews (I always seem to be behind when I come to these things!) That cleared it up for me. Voted up & useful.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michael, what a great comment. Thank you my friend. You captured it all perfectly with your reference to the thirty pieces of silver coins....well done.

      Have a wonderful week my friend and thank you.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jo, I think HP does a great disservice to those who write poems. I think Bubblews is a perfect site for poems and I'm sad saying that. Good luck over there my friend and blessings to you always.

      bill

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      Michael-Milec 4 years ago

      Good evening billybuc, my friend!

      Two hundred fifty comments in four days - of an eyeopening article, I mean eyes which were not closed in first place.

      My "former " passion woodworking/restoration have surprisingly taken me away as to a different planet where not excess to fine FB family. Coming back physically exhausted , to learn more of my new pursuit, your article introducing me, up to this point to an unknown territory, which you described by familiar allegory, that the well dressed pig can be find in each industrious activity no matter whose "religion" one will decide to follow.

      You would, please let me to add to your "writing is a craft, an art,"- a hard work- as any genuine never changing love requires hard work 'to perfectly create beauty.'

      Sad and true observation that ignorance is overrunning our society; on top of this coming in-between the lines message that still exist strong tradition selling 'The Master" for thirty pieces of silver coins by gobbling potentially perspective "leaders" of (needed) quality writing.

      Thanks for clear and sincere message to my not really strong dilemma what of two is better choice. You've proved to be trustworthy, thus my learning will continue on solid ground - as my intention to carefully avoiding as much as possible fancy dressed pigs around...

      My humble voting is up,awesome,useful and interesting.

      Have a blessed week.

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 4 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      Bill, curiosity got the better of me, that... and I'm so pissed off with HP at the moment. Yep....I'm off to pop a few bubbles, just hope they don't burst mine first. :)

      I need somewhere to put my many un-featured idle poems, it seemed the sensible thing to do, although I don't really have the time for social networking, it looks like everyone worth their salt are over there. So I may as well give it a whirl. I'll continue to write my articles here. HP can be a pain in the proverbial....but it is home.

      My best to you as always.

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thelma, a great point. The Hubbers I have read at Bubblews have definitely brought their "A" game with them to that site. Thanks a bunch my friend.

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      Thelma Alberts 4 years ago from Germany

      Great review Bill. I agree to what you have said although I´m at bubblews, too. HubPages is still my favorite because it is here where I started my writing and I have found friends in our community. At the moment I´m just taking a break of writing here in HP. Bubblews is for me a socializing site and there are lots of scams there. I´m glad some HP writers are bubbling so I can read quality hubs. Thanks for sharing your views. Have a great week!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Faith, without a doubt HP is deteriorating before our very eyes, and I find that sad....thankfully for me I'm not here to make money on their site....I just love the people.

      blessings always

      bill

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      Faith Reaper 4 years ago from southern USA

      Thanks Bill,

      I will still be here too, just like to try a bit less restrictive creative writing there, just to see, and have fun. Something is going on here at HP that does not seem just right at the moment, but I really love the community here, they're the best!

      Hugs and blessings, Faith Reaper

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Dianna. I think several people thought I was bashing Bubblews and that's not the case...I'm bashing poor writing. Heck, I bashed HP more than Bubblews. :)

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deb, it's interesting, but you and I and a few others really value the friendships we have formed at HP...the money was never the issue for me and I feel like I'm the strange one saying that....but I'm after much bigger fish than $25 per month in passive income, and I sense you are as well. I'm glad you are here.