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Goodbye To Hubpages Forums!

Updated on December 26, 2012

You Vill Obey or Else Suffer Ze Consequences!

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I Give!!

Well HubPages staff, you’ve finally achieved your objective. I’m now ridding myself of your horribly moderated forums. It’s one thing when you have a valid reason for banning someone, but when you use forum bans to quell dissent from your actions, then it’s time for me to kiss them goodbye.

It’s about time for me anyway. The honesty and square dealing I first thought HP represented has quickly disappeared along with most of our former traffic and earnings. I cannot abide such goings-on anymore.

My latest 3 month ban--I just got back from another one month ban for making a joke and this one is for calling an anonymous windbag a--get ready for it--“an anonymous windbag.” I’m still not sure if it was the word “anonymous” or the word “windbag.” Who knows for sure?

I was once banned for saying if someone laughed, their laugh would be ridiculous. I kid you not! You just can’t make this stuff up. What’s next for the wonderful staff/moderators, banning members for calling someone a “silly goose?”

Safely Hidden Behind Anonymity

But you guys aren’t fooling anyone with your secret moderators. They have free reign to ban anyone for anything without ever revealing THEIR identity to those they are sitting in judgment of. This is the old “Trust us, we’ll do what’s right” attitude which always leads to trouble for any content writing site. I’ve observed it happen on several other similar sites and nothing good ever comes of it.

Lets face it boys and girls, we’ve got a tyrannical moderation team here and them being anonymous only emboldens them to use their power in any manner they choose. Sad but true. But let’s take a look at why the staff/mods are allowed to remain anonymous.

When asked, they will reply it’s because of the risk of members stalking the moderators if they make an unpopular ruling. What? Do you mean they are frightened by someone actually asking them to take responsibility for their actions? Isn’t this what they are asking US to do on the forums? Aren’t they getting paid to do just this?

No, the only reason their identities are kept secret is so they can punish those who ask tough questions on the forums or who dare to criticize any new or controversial aspects of the site. Even when one is banned the email comes from a voiceless, faceless entity with no chance of getting them to explain their reasons for the particular bans. They act as judge, jury, and executioner and will not address any aspect of the punishment they've dealt out.

A Pattern of Coincidences?

Furthermore, their treatment of members is far from equal as certain groups of Hubbers are protected from being banned by their silly little titles or their ability to suck-up to the powers that be on HubPages. As I have personally experienced, these “special members” can call anyone anything on the forums and escape without even a warning from the staff/mods when reported.

Fairness towards all members is simply a joke on this site. But hey, HubPages does not guarantee fairness or equal treatment to its members. Don’t believe me? Simply ask them and see the response you’ll get.

This latest ban has finally convinced me there is no hope of things getting any better here, or that the forums are good for anything other than for HP’s furthering their control over the members here. Mark my words, it will only get worse here as the staff/mods will be even more emboldened to run roughshod over those who dare to ask tough questions on the forums.

I can almost predict now when I’m about to be banned for some ridiculous reason because there will be some controversial subject or aspect of HP coming up and they do not want my input to be seen on the forums. It is a pattern which is anything but coincidental.

A Losing Battle For Fairness

I wish to tell those with whom I’ve shared some very interesting and enlightening conversations on the former honestly run forums how much I’ve enjoyed the interaction with them. I’m sorry the forums have been tainted--as have some other aspects of the site--and hope one day they will return to such a point that those writers looking to share their thoughts with others will once again find they are not being manipulated and controlled by nameless, faceless, frightened, and obviously biased staff members.

Some of you have my private email address and are aware of the sad state the forums have become and can reach me for more information concerning other recent aspects of the degradation of HP. As of now, others may contact me through my profile page. But be careful what you write on the HP contact email as they can and will read your emails to me. Big Hubber is watching!

After all, I really have no choice in this matter because if I go back on the forums after this 3 month ban is over I run the chance of being permanently banned for the slightest reason and HP has proven they will do anything to prevent anyone from criticizing their agenda.

If they can get away with using such petty reasons to ban someone from the forums, then they can get away with manipulating many other aspects of the site. And as been shown, they certainly have no compunction about doing so and certainly will. So long and watch your backs! I invite HP staff/mods to deny my accusations and prove what I am telling you is not the truth, but they will not do so. They never do. SSSSS

Revel Oh Mighty Judges!

Somewhere HP staff is singing,

Somewhere the mods will shout,

There’s tons of joy in Frisco,

Cause Randy has bowed out!

Edited for Update

HP has now removed my contact information from my profile No surprise, of course. This is merely another way of attempting to censor the writer's views concerning the blatant censorship now in evidence on HubPages. Things are heading downhill very quickly now. This is what happens when those handing out punishment do not have to identify themselves. It's always the same result and will only get worse.

For heavens sake, don't call anyone a silly goose or protest suspicious activity. HP staff is free to deny any of my statements are true here and explain their actions. I welcome them to do so. I do however, require them to do so using their real names.

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    • Randy Godwin profile image
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      Randy Godwin 13 months ago from Southern Georgia

      Yes Credence, it's a bit of both, but I earned a few of my bans arguing with a former high ranking member of HP's hierarchy in the early days. I've never been profane in my posts, but sometimes honesty is detested even more than profanity. Feel free to drop by the "PO's Last Gasp" and chat or rant with the rest of us. :)

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      Credence2 13 months ago from Florida (Space Coast)

      Randy, I have had more than my share of grief from the 'Dream Police'. Much of the banning has been arbitrary and politically motivated. Those that do the banning are not held accountable for their decisions in any way. I don't think that anybody deserves a permanant ban, just seems that it is just a matter of time before I am nailed for something....

      A most pertinant article, thanks...

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      Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Just to the forums, raizhel. Just to the forums. :)

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      Ruby S. 3 years ago

      I believe you can still write article so it's not totally goodbye.

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      nicomp really 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

      Hi Keennan

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      Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

      This is an old discussion hub, Keennan. I suggest you use the main HP forums to start a discussion.

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      Keennan 3 years ago

      Hi guys, I am Kenan and i am a new guy here. How should i start discussion on this board? Please share your views with me.

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      Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

      LOL@ Quipper!

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      Drive By Quipper 3 years ago from Wrong Side of Town

      Who's jealous of success? You won't have any here playing with yourself in their sandbox. Watch out! I saw the cat in here earlier.

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      nicomp really 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

      It's their sandbox and they can do what they want. I hope they make millions: I'm not jealous of success.

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      Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

      @MizBeJabbers--Me too, MBJ! You never know what the mods will take away or let stay lately.

      @nicomp--See above comment! :)

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      nicomp really 3 years ago from Ohio, USA

      I am also surprised this hub stayed up.

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      MizBejabbers 3 years ago

      I don’t really haunt the forums section, but I do like the Q&A. When I was a brand new hubber, I had a question taken down. I put it up as a joke, but the answers I got were very intelligent and I thought we were doing well. Anyway, it soon disappeared so I’ve never asked another question nor started a forum. Frankly, I’m surprised that this hub stayed up. Voted you up ++

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      http://boothedog.org/ 3 years ago

      Very interesting Article, thanks author.

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      Randy Godwin 3 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Sorry Phoenix, I responded on the wrong hub already. Yes, the contests are usually rigged for the cheerleaders and the A's it seems. Strictly an amateur move on HP staff's part and it fools no one. Sad but true! :(

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      PhoenixV 3 years ago from USA

      Hey Randy.

      You wrote

      I was particularly appalled at how they rigged the Question and Answer contest before this last one by allowing the judges to mentor one of their favorites while the contest was running.

      After I pointed this out they used outside judges for the last one but I was still banned shortly after I blew the whistle on them.

      Can you explain this?

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Thanks Beth, indeed, I am un-PC at times. Especially when I tell the truth about things. lol! No problem now though as I'm banned from the forums. :o

      Thanks for the up votes and the comments. :)

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      Beth Perry 4 years ago from Tennesee

      Oh my god, Randy, you called an anonymous windbag an "anonymous windbag"? You do realize how un-PC it is to stereotype all bags as windy? No wonder you were banned ;)

      Seriously, I feel for you. Had a problem with the Q&A section that I felt -to put it as politely as possible- was totally contradictory to expressed moderator practices. I never much got into the forum section, though, for the exact reason it seems that's where anonymous windbags like to blow the most often.

      I loved your commentary here, and voted up.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      I too am not so secure in my fiction to give advice, Debbie. But some of the fiction writers here are so boring I can't see why they feel so justified in giving others advice. It takes all kinds, I suppose! lol!

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      Debra Allen 4 years ago from West By God

      I agree. I know my writing sucks and will admit it but some ..well you said it right.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      I really get a kick out of some of the self-published authors on HP giving advice to fiction writers when they haven't had any success themselves. Probably wishful thinking since they really don't have a clue how bad their writing is. lol! I suppose it makes them feel like a success anyway. I would never do this without someone asking for my opinion on their work. But that's just me.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Yes Debbie, one of mine was unpublished for talking about HP and one of the favorites. I notice Mr. Hat isn't making his kiss-up threads lately. Wonder if he's moved on? lol!

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      Debra Allen 4 years ago from West By God

      Okay let's try this again.....Who cares about the forums with the idiots there? We have comments on hubs that get a bunch of talking going on too. One of my hubs was unpublished by HP because in the comment someone didn't like what was being talked about or how it was being talked about. Hub comments are more fun!

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      Debra Allen 4 years ago from West By God

      Why bother with forum for fighting and arguing when you have it all on the hub's comment sections. I had one of my hubs taken down because someone didn't like the comments they were receiving....not from me but from another hubber.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Never tried the linked-in forums, Simon. Didn't know they had any. :)

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      Simon Joseph James 4 years ago

      I always found the forums to be a little bit cliquey, i find the linked in groups much more accessible and fun

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Hi nicomp! Many of us communicate on this hub:

      https://hubpages.com/literature/Son-Of-Sonuvagun-P...

      Drop in and chat if you wish. :)

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      nicomp really 4 years ago from Ohio, USA

      I got banned from the forums for a week, 3 years ago, and never went back. Best decision I ever made on this site.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Hey Buck! Probably everyone is here:

      http://randygodwin.hubpages.com/hub/Son-Of-Goodbye...

      Come on over! :)

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      Buck Steiner 4 years ago from Steiner Ranch

      What happened here? Randy, yo RANDY!

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      Gavin Wichmann 4 years ago

      Well then... That's all just stupid on HP's part. Stupid and a little frightening.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Stop back by when you get the chance, Buck. Got some chickens to feed myself!

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      Buck Steiner 4 years ago from Steiner Ranch

      Obviously!

      Gotta run, chickens wont feed themselves.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      I don't speak that freaky deaky Dutch, Buck! :p

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      Buck Steiner 4 years ago from Steiner Ranch

      Oh please Randy, there is a lot of work involved in pointing and yelling. We don't have many Beavers running around,well, you know what I mean!

      Mueva el perezoso

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Hey Buck! Been out bustin' beaver dams as we've had about 13 inches of rain here for the last couple of weeks or so and our ponds are bout to overflow. But you wouldn't know anything about manual labor. Probably got soft hands :p

      If a goat got loose in my garden his particular degree of stoness would vary depending on the length of time he remained there. :)

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      Buck Steiner 4 years ago from Steiner Ranch

      I'm going to remain neutral myself.

      Thomas Swan/Pearl diver

      You're both a couple of tools! Why don't you carry on your love affair through emails.

      Nice picture Randy, how stoned can a goat get?

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Hey guys, I'm remaining neutral in this one. You're both big boys, settle it without my help. You can argue here all you want but I'm not getting involved. I want my face to remain purty! lol

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      Thomas Swan 4 years ago from New Zealand

      Randy, I trust you won't allow this nutter to compromise my privacy in his sad quest for revenge. Bear in mind there is a record of it here.

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      Rob Welsh 4 years ago from Tomorrow - In Words & NZ Time.

      Hey Randy.... If you look at each post on your hub, an Internet Protocol (IP) number should be showing to you along with each posters name and claimed whereabouts. eg: 107.427.1102. Each poster's # is different as it relates to their server locale etc. If you can't find that - go into the comments capsule and check in there if it's on... or has been 'turned off' or moderated via the C-panel... If you PM me and let me know what you find.. I'll explain the relevance directly... without the sad little echo degrading the flow! Cheers mate :)

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      Thomas Swan 4 years ago from New Zealand

      And there's the paranoia, we got a full set haha.

      Lol Randy, I don't know what he's trying to pull with this request for "relevant IPs", but it seems pretty below board to me. If my privacy isn't invaded and it can prove I'm not part of his conspiracy, I welcome it. TBH though, I'm not sure what he's talking about either.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      I don't know nuthin' bout no IP's, less n' it's when I drinks too much beer and then IP's all over thuh place! :p

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      Rob Welsh 4 years ago from Tomorrow - In Words & NZ Time.

      hahaha.... oh my... how sad :(

      When's the duck shooting season up there RG??

      Far out!! I must remember to Beware of Rabid F-ducks!

      Could anyone spare a sunny day... to allow what appears to be a sick puppy a chance to cast its own shadow on the world... What an unbelievable fantasy melt down! Oh my.....

      Hey Randy... take a screenshot of the relevant IPs, if you would please mate!

      As I said before Mr.Swan... Get some help... I'm pretty sure your name wasn't 'swan' the last time you pulled this exact stunt! Get some real help... take your meds! Your Hatred is Your burden, not mine! Get well soon!

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      Thomas Swan 4 years ago from New Zealand

      SomewayOuttaHere, I'm done trying to be nice to this guy.

      By the way, if anyone wants to know who got the moderators involved, just read the forum thread where PD says:

      "Oh and Everyone....

      Sorry about my last post and it's timing relevance to this exercise.... But I don't appreciate the abusive attitude of the OP..... or being called out as a troll... "

      Note that by saying “everyone” he is also addressing the moderators who have posted in the forum thread. This gives them license to step in and ban us both. Even if they didn't respond to that comment, who do you think did the reporting? The guy addressing "everyone" and pretending to be a victim, or the guy writing replies no longer than 4 lines because he never wanted to waste so much time on such a silly argument.

      It's interesting that by addressing “everyone” he believed his tiff had captured everyone’s attention. He also played the victim and claimed he was being abused. It's just two more insecurities indicative of NPD. I've studied people like this; don't be drawn in by the superficial charms (another symptom). Yet another symptom would be his inability to apologize or take responsibility for what he's said, even after I apologized (incidently, that's why he was so surprised they banned him too).

      Here is another indication that his own weaselly nature got us both banned: "You refused and continued, even though I subtly tried to give you the clue that banning would occur, irrespective of who did the reporting! Newbies with arrogance like that, who push in such a manner are 95% of the time, doing so to set up such an outcome!"

      That comment is in this hub above.

      Here is (N)PD's threat to do the same with this thread: "I believe you are Well Aware that if you carry on slagging me off here, in the same manner as you did in a pubic forum, then it will create yet another opportunity for you to enjoy and justify some obscure point, with the closure of the host's hub!"

      You should be very careful when dealing with this narcissist. Pathological lying happens to be the last symptom. Cheers!

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Cool video, Someway! lol!

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      SomewayOuttaHere 4 years ago from TheGreatGigInTheSky

      them's fightin' words.......................

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWSluyvC2jk

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      Thomas Swan 4 years ago from New Zealand

      PD, what cloaked threat? Do you really have NPD? I was just making a diagnosis there kiddo; and having a little fun with your initials (PD). If you really have NPD, I'm sorry, but it wasn't difficult to see.

      Interesting that you've quoted and shown a great deal of annoyance for the "step up and be a man" comment. I had a feeling you'd react strongly to that.

      Why do you keep saying that I need to respect you. What could I possibly need to respect about someone who claims they're a poet but self-publishes on hubpages? Someone who posts snide comments in forum threads before whinging to the moderators when I reply. Someone who writes pages and pages of further nasty comments because his ego is bruised. Someone who came to this thread and wrote several defamatory, underhand comments thinking I wouldn't find this thread and notice. Someone who brags about the number of countries his readers come from, frames his own quotes within images, describes his own poems as "very deep" and himself as "intelligent", "subtle" and worthy of respect.

      No, as someone who can read you like a book, I don't need to respect you. No-one should. As for this talk about IP addresses? You're getting me worried now. Is that your threat?

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Hey, Someway! Would you believe I've been requested to put the snake photo back up!!! lol! And yes, even called "Cool Breeze Shit" before too! (whatever that means?) Yep, at the time the photo was made I was stoned as a goat! PD? Yes, he definitely has a way with words. He should be a writer! :P (take that, PD)

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      SomewayOuttaHere 4 years ago from TheGreatGigInTheSky

      Yo Randy...great pic!....didn't realize you were such a kewl dude!....luv the earring and ummmmm.....the tea strainer (never heard it called that before)....good term PD!

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      Rob Welsh 4 years ago from Tomorrow - In Words & NZ Time.

      I rest my case... (Completely!)

      You have no respect for anyone... Not even yourself!

      "Step up and be a man or enjoy your troubled life."

      What sort of wuckfit threat is that? You poor wee flamer... Is that what you feel the need to do when you feel insecure?

      Clearly the Moon is Full and those with faulty meds etc think they 'know' what's best for their obsessive behavior! Aren't we all lucky that they thoughtfully leave their IP addresses all over the place, along with their questionable footprints!! :)

      You... Really are not very clever... and you really need to consider that in the scheme of things... I say that solely to establish publicly, the fact that I have read your cloaked threat and I take such BS most seriously... Get some help for your obsessive disorder!

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      Thomas Swan 4 years ago from New Zealand

      I can't believe this. I apologized to you, and all you can do is insult me further. The only thing that could have annoyed you about my comment was the bit at the end, but that was completely true wasn't it? You have actually said all of those things in your profile, hubs, and comments. So what's your problem with it? Your angry response suggests you're embarrassed by me mentioning it, or you actually care about what I think of you.

      We're at a standoff here because although I've apologized, you can't change what I think of you. With mutual tendency, I also call a spade a spade. So if you want to continue being bitter because I don't like you, there's nothing I can do to change that (N)PD. You've refused my apology, and refused to apologize for yourself. Step up and be a man or enjoy your troubled life. As for the stalking, I believe you were talking about my education long before I gave your profile a look, and well.... you're the one writing essays kiddo :)

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      Rob Welsh 4 years ago from Tomorrow - In Words & NZ Time.

      Sorry Randy... for ever doubting your most prophetic words within this hub; relating to someone being banned for calling an 'entity' a 'silly goose!' Clearly some have no ability to desist from leaving 'marbles' in the wake of every overly accentuated waddle made!

      Stop Stalking Me 'Mr.Swan!' I am absolutely not interested in your emotionally challenged state, nor supporting your efforts in degrading the efforts of others! There seems to be a major 'insecurity' issue that appears to be fueling your need to act in every respect like a flamer... but ultimately you need to realize that I am not pointing at any member and laughing at it! To Help You... may I suggest that you use your cognitive skills to aid you to walk away... without leaving dirty footprints all over My Activity and whatever else you feel insecure with!

      If that is too hard for you to understand... then I would suggest that you Read This Hub (this one here) and familiarize yourself with the subject matter and examples that RG has used (Before You Carry On) ... And in that way (standing back from 'your' tree of contention), you will, if so prepared to, see the Whole Forest and thus... the exact similarity and significance of your actions to the examples used by not only RG, but many others including me! Right now, I believe you are Well Aware that if you carry on slagging me off here, in the same manner as you did in a pubic forum, then it will create yet another opportunity for you to enjoy and justify some obscure point, with the closure of the host's hub! I'm sure you know exactly what I am saying... So Stop Stalking me and feeling so insecure by bigger boys, who are more prepared to walk away from you, your justifications malice and marbles! I don't believe I have any need to communicate with or justify anything to you... and No I do not require anything from you... including promotion, irrespective of your 'relationship' with HP moderators. Thank you. The advice that I have offered to you has been provided on the basis of 'en toute bonne foi' and now kindly respect the whole forest, if it is your intention to be respected by taller trees!

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      Thomas Swan 4 years ago from New Zealand

      I'm guessing PD doesn't want me to appeal his ban then :)

      PD, I really don't care about this anymore. If you can stay angry at someone you've never met, and for this long, then.... well, I don't want to insult you further. I have apologized for our argument, and will apologize again for what I said in the thread. After your comments on this hub, can you not see how I would be annoyed? Despite that, I still apologized at the end of my reply.

      Just in your last comment you've called me a racist, a fraud, a newbie, unintelligent and arrogant. If you want to apologize for that, it's up to you. If you would rather go back to describing your own poems as "deep" and "profound", framing your own quotes in images, bragging about the 191 countries your readers have come from, and remarking on your subtleties and intelligence, then that's your prerogative. I apologize for implying you're a halfwit or troll; I see now that it was completely unnecessary.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      lol!@ PD--Thanks for making me regret using my real pic! Some refer to my stash as a "womb broom." Yeah, that may shut this hub down!!! lol!

      I'm gonna stay out of the PD/TS conversation. My "deathroll" ain't what it used to be! :p

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      Rob Welsh 4 years ago from Tomorrow - In Words & NZ Time.

      Wow... Nice Tea Strainer there mate... Almost a Frank Zapper special :) Para... watch your stick! Randy's reputation for his 'DeathRoll' is all over another quasi writing site, not worth mentioning... but there are a few legless and headless sticks there, not to mention the pile of sorry arses!

      Hope you don't mind RG, but you know that I call a spade a spade and if someone uses a pick to dig with... I'm gonna tell them honestly the error of their ways... If that hurts their feelings, then it tells me that they are a bit short in the honesty stakes!

      Mr. Swan... any 'defamation' came from you in the first instance, when you intimated in the forum to a third party (and the entire community) that I am a quote, "Halfwit or a Troll!" For anyone claiming 'expertise' in cognitive anything... THAT very action demonstrated that you lacked on the occasion the very elements of cognition, as 'you chose' to ignore, or totally not see and understand intuitively - My nature, personality, subtleties and intelligence! If you words above on this hub were sincere, you would cease inflaming the situation further by ignoring the fact that I had asked you to consider seriously to formally apologize and retract your defamatory statements! You refused and continued, even though I subtly tried to give you the clue that banning would occur, irrespective of who did the reporting! Newbies with arrogance like that, who push in such a manner are 95% of the time, doing so to set up such an outcome! Being an extremely cognitive person by nature and experience, IMO I must say that I do not believe your intention was anything other than what occurred, as you had the chance to zip it, but then accused me of playing a victim! So.... stay outta my face mate, because I give you no credit whatsoever for your ability to be ethical, honest, or to take constructive critique in a mature manner!

      In my original post, I was merely attempting to you 'indirectly' that you were opening a can of worms, in what I regarded to be your derogatory mention of the Indian race! THAT is why I used the words that required no BS response from you... afterall, unlike you... before I posted a response to the OP... I took the time to read at least you Bio.. which Stated... that you were allegedly 'intuitive' having Cognitive powers... Capeesh?

      Just a tip for you mate... I call a spade a spade.. which means that I am a honest, unpretentious, real person.... Don't ever forget that statement... if you've read my writing, you would know intuitively at the least! Those sort of threads and the targeting that is created, are all too common on this site... people who see through the BS.. are certainly cognitive enough, to see the predictable outcome of anything that is Too Honest to defend any other way! I'm sure some thanked you for your efforts and in my view, intended outcome!

      Hey everyone, I've said my bit... if the other dude feels a need to reply, I suggest he doesn't... in time perhaps some value may be found in it! Trust you understand what I mean and that you appreciate I also have a reputation for disarming sticks that poke me! The End.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      lol! Para! I have been poked before, though! :)

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      Person of Interest 4 years ago from USA

      I suspected that. If I ever decide to poke you with a stick, it will be a very long stick. LOL

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      "Cute and fuzzy" has never been a description applied to me, not to my face at any rate! :)

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      Person of Interest 4 years ago from USA

      Btw, we are both the same age. I'm still cute and fuzzy on the inside...

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Well, I used to be purty in my younger days, believe it or not! :p (everyone always makes this claim)

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      Person of Interest 4 years ago from USA

      Good profile image! I always knew you were a worthy dude indeed! :-D

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      My profile score has been stuck at 93 now for quite a while. I suppose I have a block of some sort placed on it by HP. I wonder why? DOH! lol!

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      I hope you didn't misspell a word and leave the "Y" off, Terrie! :o

      I'll have to change it again! (j/k)

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      summerberrie 4 years ago

      Now, that's a real GA boy!

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Hey, check out my new profile image. I wanted everyone to see the real asphole behind the voice! lol!

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Understandable...not acceptable.

      Where there's a will there's a way.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      HA! I always enjoyed Eddie Murphy's take on Mr. Rogers role! lol!

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      Shanna 4 years ago from Utah

      " I've been in a few which would make that one look like Sesame Street!"

      Hahah....

      "Okay kids, let's learn about the letter 'I' Today!"

      "I is for: 'I want to hit you with my car!'"

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Fairness is not guaranteed on HP, Chris. Bottom line! Not in the way members are treated, not in the way our work is promoted, not in anything. I found this out while being a member of other content farms. I had a high up staffer fill me in on this little known fact before I joined here, and I can say the same thing is true here. Do not expect equal treatment from HP, you will be sorely disappointed. This goes for getting the truth out of the staffers also. They are not required to furnish this either. The TOS pretty much says "we can do what we wish, whenever we wish with no recourse from the writers."

      Makes things a little understandable, no?

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well, that's just it ....you don't have a cadre of enemies lining up to push the button.

      Some do...THAT is the problem.

      And, if the cadre are staff...or FOS (friends of staff), then there is no integrity about it.

      I'm still waiting to hear how many bans people get.....I see people talk about "another little time-out".

      Just how many little time outs are people allowed?

      Or does that also have to do with being FOS?

      The whole thing needs to be scrapped. It's obvious there is no equality going on in that matter.

      And just imagine being banned for nothing...JUST because people don't like you.

      Gang activity on HP ;-)

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Just got back, guys!

      @Izzy--Give 'em hell Izzy! with one of today's 12 year olds you can conquer the world! lol!

      @Shanna--You better hope this is the worst spat you ever get involved in during your life. I've been in a few which would make that one look like Sesame Street! :) That's why I said I didn't pay it much mind at all. You'll see! :o

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      Shanna 4 years ago from Utah

      I was sweet. Well. Maybe not super sweet, but I used to know when to snap out of it and grow up. But I've been having a rough time of it lately, and I let that filter into the forums where it didn't belong, and I pinned it on people who didn't deserve it. I assure you all though that I am Shanna and I've always been Shanna--a separate entity from all the other users here. My only other account is clearly mine (Shanna12).

      I'm hoping that if I leave the forums for a while, I'll avoid being stupid. I didn't see Melissa's photo, so it's just a coincidence if it looked similar to what I said. She was also present on the forum where I said the things I did, so perhaps it influenced her photo choice.

      And my deserving the banning was definitely not a maybe-- it was a definite, solid YES. I don't pretend to understand banning or favoring, or any of that, but my guess was that I got off easy simply because it was my first banning...although admittedly I probably deserved them in the past.

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      IzzyM 4 years ago from UK

      This is my first ever Apple product, Randy. What gets me with Apple is that they refuse to drop the price on earlier models - they would rather take them off the market. I actually strongly disagree with their business model. That said, I got fed up with those snotty women who I thought were friends of my Mom looking down their noses at her - and with the effin iPads when all they can talk about is the best place to DO lunch. Well, now I have an iPad, let's see how much they really know (because I am learning, I asked a 12 year old!)

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Yes Chris, we've both been given the shaft before, but I still dislike for anyone to be banned by the silly mods. I'd rather they let the tiffs run their course. It usually works itself out.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      You really know how to operate, Izzy. My son the IT buys the cheaper tablets and hacks into them and makes them operate like the better ones. Don't ask me how, though!

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      Yes Dear 4 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Well....I thought you were Melissa. Too professional an attack for you: who used to be so sweet?

      Now, if you exile yourself......that will make it all go away, right?

      Plus--that photo Melissa put under Randy's comment yesterday was too much like what you were saying in the thread: alluding to him being a bitter person who needs a hug.

      And--you said Shanna deserved banning....maybe? MAYBE? with what she said, I'd have been gone for good.

      Special treatment, and who better to give it to than yourself?

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      IzzyM 4 years ago from UK

      I couldn't get this page to fully load since my last comment. Might be the connection here, but I did reset the router just in case (didn't make any difference).

      Randy, it was bought for me - joint Christmas and birthday present from Dad. He forgot both :(

      You should have seen the salesman's face when I picked out the iPad - I wanted the 128 but he said there wasn't one. I said "Funny, it was there on your company's website this morning". OK I'll have the 64. "Sorry there are none in stock, I'll check the 32's". He came back and said "yes we have the 32, would you like that one?" "Yes", I said, "can I pay by credit card?" "Yes Mam". "DAD! Do you feel like buying me a birthday present?" LOL It worked.

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      Shanna 4 years ago from Utah

      Hah, I missed the part where you said I was staff...I would make an odious staff member for any website. :P

      Thanks for understanding Randy. I agree. As Summerberrie said-- water under the bridge.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      I was worried about you, Izzy! I was afraid you got fed up and decided to run away. lol! Cool on the new IPad. You can tell who's making the big bucks now! :)

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      IzzyM 4 years ago from UK

      Welcome Shanna, and don't worry it - we all have 'off' days lol - sorry I accused you of being staff!

      To everyone else, sorry I was so quiet this past couple of days - I was away from home and without my laptop. I did get a lovely new iPad bought for me though :)

      It's great, but not as good as my laptop for typing on.

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      summerberrie 4 years ago

      We must be more alike then you think,lol! I agree with Randy, too. Chin up and carry on....:)

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      Shanna 4 years ago from Utah

      I am really relieved to hear that Summerberrie. I really have felt awful these past few days about the whole thing! You guys are definitely not too motley for me. Thank you for understanding that I was blinded by temporary insanity. ;) You weren't too far off the mark!

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      I can only speak for myself Shanna, but I really didn't take all of that so seriously. Don't worry about my feelings and let's let bygones be bygones. And don't let such a frivolous spat between hubbers keep you from participating in the forums or commenting on hubs you enjoy. We both made some bad decisions in that particular forum. Age doesn't always equate to intelligence, and I'm living proof of that. Peace to you! :)

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      summerberrie 4 years ago

      Shanna11, I heard that you left an apology but I did not realize you had named me out specifically. By the time, I made it over to read your thread it already seemed like water under the bridge so I did not leave a response. During your self-imposed timeout hang out with us over here and have some fun-unless you think we are too much of a motley crew :) Just come here and be real....contrary to what others may think it is not all about HP bashing. :)

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      Shanna 4 years ago from Utah

      Don't know if you or summerberrie saw it, but I noticed you were talking about me here. For what it's worth:

      http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/109699

      I hope I can communicate how sorry I really am for what I said. Every single thing was out of line and stupid. I don't wish to continue any further bad feelings, so I'm following you and exiling myself from the forums and from Hub commenting. I won't comment after this.

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      Buck Steiner 4 years ago from Steiner Ranch

      Those forums are dead, go do your thing and stir the pot so I can sit back and watch the fur fly!

      Take it easy Randy, I'm gonna go read your witch story!

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      My dad said the same thing, Buck! He never liked the snow again when he got his ass back to south Georgia. I just missed Nam with a high lottery number and I damn sure wasn't going to volunteer for that mess. Not that I wasn't patriotic, just that I didn't want to die for that cause.

      I honor your service too, Buck! Thank you!

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      Buck Steiner 4 years ago from Steiner Ranch

      Never would have guessed your age, I'm 48 pushing 49 and my dad too fought in Battle of the Bulge he was 16, he said he had never been so scared or so cold in all of his life. Can you imagine being 16 facing that?

      I was 19 when I fast roped into the marshes of Grenada and an old man of 28 when they removed my wounded ass out of Kuwait city. I understand the horrors and have always dealt with them in a unconventional manner.

      You're deep Randy, my hat off to you!

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Thank you, Buck. Yes, I was 13 in 1963 and the main character's father was based on my own. He fought in all of those battles in WWII and then some. Glad it held your attention and I was afraid you'd bail! lol!

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      Buck Steiner 4 years ago from Steiner Ranch

      That kept my attention, when you wanta go hunting? Fiction? I know you ain't that old.

      Damn good Randy, sad and amazing at the same time.

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      So far, I've written on 3 and done well each place. But they all seem to get more corrupt the longer they are around, Buck. It could be the greed. They usually do well for 5 or 6 years until they piss Google off by allowing spammy crap on the site. Then the good people get screwed along with them. It's the American Way, I suppose.

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      Buck Steiner 4 years ago from Steiner Ranch

      You betcha I'm a 2fer, go out get um on the fly with a .22 every time! Anyway, I know you're fed up I can tell by the tone. There are some new sites out there right? Have you tried any or are they all the same corrupt little 2bit operations that this one is?

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Ha, Buck! I've always wanted someone to show me how to kill a mourning dove on every shot. I'll bet you get a lot of doubles too! :p No, I've not been holding my tongue much lately either as I'm fed up with the stupid idle feature program which they are definitely using to promote their favorites with.

      They penalize everyone's work tby putting a no-index tag on it and it's not going to impress Google at all. I don't write here for the money anyway but a lot of good folks depend on the site for a part of their income. I just hate to see good people bamboozled like this. I've written nothing but fiction here lately but try this one. If you aren't surprised by it I'll know I'm a true failure at my craft.

      https://letterpile.com/creative-writing/A-Certain-...

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      Buck Steiner 4 years ago from Steiner Ranch

      This is some interesting stuff, PD and Thomas Swan don't get fooled and think the other reported you, you can look to uninvitedwriter/Melissa Barrett/Hollie Thomas/any one with an A under their picture. I don't hold back any longer on this ridiculous site, nothing but a bunch of wannabe writers with way too much time on their hands!

      I'm sure some of you make money here but when you can afford to hold my attention for more than 30 seconds I'll consider giving you any credit and so far it ain't happened.

      Jeebus this thread is long, Randy I saw some of the titles of your hubs and may have to give some a little time, not more than 30 seconds though. If I do I'll fly your happy ass down here to the real south and take you hunting!

      Damn Yankees

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Hell, Mine won't a million views for a while longer anyway. After one gets to 100,000 it doesn't change until one gets to 1,000,000. Now at 600,000 but a slow go now with the terrible traffic.

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      Thomas Swan 4 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks guys! Maybe if enough of us do it we'll start a trend that hp can't ignore. I've noticed it also pushes the ad further up the page lol. Maybe we'll earn a few more pence!

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      Randy Godwin 4 years ago from Southern Georgia

      Me too, Terrie. If everyone did the same they would be moot, like the point of writing here!

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      summerberrie 4 years ago

      Thomas, I'm heading over to remove my accolades now, too.

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      Thomas Swan 4 years ago from New Zealand

      Amazing, aaLite was just talking about meerkats! I love those little Russian treasures! I guess it's not worth it, but if PD wants me to appeal on his behalf, I will. I suppose it's only a week. I'm happy for my ban to remain, in fact I don't want to post on the forums again. It's the abuse of power that annoys me.

      I am amused by their removal of accolades though. I can't think of a reason other than petty spite, or the desire to treat us like children. In response, I removed the remaining accolades from my profile to show how meaningless they are. If they're there to be taken away on a whim, they're worth nothing at all!

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      summerberrie 4 years ago

      Thomas Swan, it isn't worth the effort. Nobel yes but not worth it. It is not your fault he was banned. Like you said, think about it as sibling rivalry. Neither one of you should have been banned. You know aaLite was banned from the same forum thread? And for the life of me I can not figure out why. The mods have render being banned as meaningless. Look on the bright side -you got to see Maddie Rudd on the segway dressed as a mall cop :D