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HubPages 3.0: Death of a Community

Updated on September 26, 2020
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Shauna believes that communication is key to success and happiness. Keeping those channels open is paramount to a writer.

This author in 2011
This author in 2011 | Source

In The Beginning (HubPages 1.0)

When I first joined HubPages in 2011, I was a bit trepidatious of putting my work out there for the world to see. Then I received notification of my first follower. Then the next and the next and my fears began to dissipate. What was so amazing, and comforting, was the communication and support I received through the comments section.

Before long I’d gained not only followers, but friends. One by one, we came together as a community who shared stories, offered advice and support. We genuinely care about each other both on and off the screen.

This was solely made possible because we were afforded the ability and encouraged to comment on each other’s posts and respond to those comments on our own.

Community.

That’s why most of us are still here.

My 2016 Hubbie Award for Best Article
My 2016 Hubbie Award for Best Article | Source

Then the Changes Came (HubPages 2.0)

Niche sites came into play a couple of years ago and they were beautiful. Bolder, larger photos, more tips for success were offered when writing and posting our articles. It seemed HP really did want us to succeed.

I remember the thrill of receiving my first (canned) email from the HP editors that one of my articles had been chosen for a niche site. That was a big deal! A major stroke to the ego and a minor stroke to the bank account.

And I wasn’t the only one. Many of our efforts were rewarded with our articles making the grade and sliding over to one of many new niche sites.

Our ever-growing community came forth as our biggest cheerleaders congratulating us on the move. Way to go! Good for you! You deserve it!

Comments increased, new writers joined the gang, and the community continued to grow and thrive.

On the downside, Amazon capsules were removed. Sure, we can embed links in the body of our articles, but for the most part, the means to earn through Amazon purchases has fallen to the wayside.

Many writers left HP after these changes were made, but many of us are still here. We’re here because of the interaction and friendships we’ve garnered through the common ground of creative souls.

Community.

That’s why most of us are still here.

A community torn apart
A community torn apart | Source

HubPages Adopts Maven’s Platform in 2020 (HubPages 3.0)

Twenty-Twenty marks the year the world was plagued with the COVID-19 pandemic. Twenty-Twenty marks the year of racial and social unrest. Twenty-Twenty marks the year of wildfires and hurricanes destroying land and lives.

Twenty-Twenty marks the death of the community.

With social distancing a worldwide reality, businesses closing or laying off employees, writers have had more time to write. Writing is therapy. Posting what we write is a way to reach out. To keep lines of communication open. To interact with fellow humans. To not feel so isolated.

Then HP adopted Maven’s bland, generic black and white platform for its niche sites.

Comments are no longer possible. We have no choice or say in the matter. Communication has been slashed at the throat.

HubPages 3.0 marks the death of a community.

It seems HP is more concerned with making money than nurturing writers and the community they’ve created on what once was the greatest platform for creative minds to express themselves.

I’m sure there are plenty of HP authors who are happy with the changes. I’m referring to those who don’t comment on articles they read or even respond to comments their readers are compelled to leave on their posts. They don’t have to interact, nor do they want to interact.

But I’m here for the community. The members inspire me to write. They inspire me to share. And they fill my heart with love.

And then…

HubPages 3.0 marked the death of a community.

Should I pack my bags and leave?
Should I pack my bags and leave? | Source

What Happens Now?

So, what do we do besides pray our articles aren’t selected for the niche sites?

When we go into “My Account”, we’re given the option to read any niche articles on HubPages. In fact, that’s the only way we can edit them.

However, our readers don’t have that option. Our community no longer has the ability to interact with each other. We’re not given the choice.

Disabling the Comments section is akin to cutting out our tongues, rendering us speechless.

So, what happens now?

Does the community disband, go their separate ways? I shudder the thought. But what choice do we have now that HP has severed the lifeline between its creatives?

Does HP have enough anti-social authors to keep them afloat if those of us who remain because of the community are forced to leave?

Why on Earth would HP cut off our communication? It makes no sense. They grade us on our comment levels. They grade us on our comments leading to great discussions. They grade us on participation. We receive accolades from the HP community.

Lack of communication is one huge factor that has led to the current state of the globe.

Communication is key to success. It’s the key to friendships. It’s the key to survival.

Without it, what’s left?

What Are Your Thoughts?

How do you feel about the recent HP changes?

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This content reflects the personal opinions of the author. It is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge and should not be substituted for impartial fact or advice in legal, political, or personal matters.

© 2020 Shauna L Bowling

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    • Jodah profile image

      John Hansen 

      6 hours ago from Queensland Australia

    • Robert Sacchi profile image

      Robert Sacchi 

      7 hours ago

      Marisa Wright - That's good information about Google. It makes sense why they would do that. It seems Google would have caught wise to that niche move within hours of it being done.

    • bravewarrior profile imageAUTHOR

      Shauna L Bowling 

      16 hours ago from Central Florida

      We shall see, Marisa. Time will tell.

    • bravewarrior profile imageAUTHOR

      Shauna L Bowling 

      20 hours ago from Central Florida

      Marisa, it's interesting you say that about Google's assessment of HP. Many years ago I wrote for an online mill (can't remember the name of it) but they gave a list of sites NOT to use for research. HP was one of them, deemed unreliable.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      20 hours ago from Central Florida

      John, please post the link again. Somehow I no longer see it. It just disappeared!

    • bravewarrior profile imageAUTHOR

      Shauna L Bowling 

      20 hours ago from Central Florida

      Marisa, they certainly didn't think things through when moving the HP niche sites to the Maven format. I really wish they'd never have done that. Maven sites are ugly. HP sites had personality.

    • bravewarrior profile imageAUTHOR

      Shauna L Bowling 

      21 hours ago from Central Florida

      Liz, you're the third person now who says they filled out a survey about HP. I haven't seen it but I'll keep my eyes open!

    • bravewarrior profile imageAUTHOR

      Shauna L Bowling 

      21 hours ago from Central Florida

      Marisa, you've certainly provided a different perspective with regard to Paul. I think your take is probably right on.

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      Marisa Wright 

      29 hours ago from Melbourne, Australia

      I think Maven has now transferred all the niche sites. Of course, they could still decide to close down the less successful ones eventually.

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      Marisa Wright 

      29 hours ago from Melbourne, Australia

      Google gave ALL article-writing sites a lower rating at the same time as they downgraded HubPages. That's why all the other article-writing sites closed their doors. HubPages was one of the few sites that tried to battle through that reversal. Basically, Google decided it didn't trust sites full of miscellaneous articles written by groups of amateur writers.

      The niche sites were Paul's way to get around that, because they give the impression (not always truthfully) that all the writers on the site have expertise in their specialist subject. As a result, Google gives them more trust.

      You may not be aware that Google still rates the main site (HubPages.com) as untrustworthy, which is why it's not good to have articles stuck on the main site.

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      Robert Sacchi 

      30 hours ago

      John Hansen - The article says a lot. I remember the DIY articles use to be the big hit getters. It would be good to know why Google decided to give them a lower ranking.

      Marisa Wright - It would be good to know Maven's logic on transferring the most successful sites. One strategy could be to transfer these sites then abandon the others.

    • Jodah profile image

      John Hansen 

      30 hours ago from Queensland Australia

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      Marisa Wright 

      30 hours ago from Melbourne, Australia

      As for why Maven bought HubPages - it doubled the size of their readership overniight, which was useful when they were seeking funding for their main business. I believe they are also interested in the most successful niche sites.

      It's a fact that the niche sites earn 80% of HubPages income. Of the niche sites, we know that only a few of them are truly successful (PetHelpful and AxleAddict for instance), but we don't know how the income is split.

      I always suspected that Maven only wanted the most successful niche sites. However, that's why I'm so surprised they transferred those sites to the new layout so fast. I expected them to transfer the low-value ones first, get everything perfect, then transfer the "crown jewels". The fact they didn't do that, makes me wonder if they have lost all sense.

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      Marisa Wright 

      30 hours ago from Melbourne, Australia

      I sympathise about the editors. As I understand it, all the editors are work-from-home staff, and while they are given comprehensive instructions and a manual, adequate supervision is obviously difficult. On the whole, I think the editors do a good job - but every now and then, they hire a bad apple with catastrophic results.

      The trouble is that many new Hubbers are too nervous to complain about it, so the bad editors aren't always discovered. I am always assuring people that they can change things back. In all the time I've been on HubPages (since 2006 with a short break), I have only heard of one person who had a Hub removed from the site after undoing the changes - so that is an empty threat.

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      Liz Elias 

      30 hours ago from Oakley, CA

      This is both shocking and disheartening, Marisa. I fail to see why a company would buy another if they don't care about it. That makes no sense at all.

      I guess the original staff—now MIA—was replaced by Maven flunkies...who also don't care about this site, and make edits that downgrade the articles instead of helping them. One of my articles was edited in such a way as to virtually destroy the piece, AND the editor exhibited an egregious failure to understand proper grammar!

      Guess what? I put it all back the way I had it to start with, and I DON'T CARE if they take it down from their ugly niche site.

      I just filled out a survey—purportedly from HP—asking "would you recommend..." I gave them only a 2. Then in the "additional feedback" box, I gave them an earful (errrrrr..eyeful) about all of these issues!

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      Marisa Wright 

      31 hours ago from Melbourne, Australia

      Yes he is now over at Maven but he is doing a different job, with no responsibility for HubPages. Another thing I noticed when I rejoined HubPages recently after a long absence - none of his original staff is at HubPages any more, either.

      I don't know if you saw the interview he gave when he sold HubPages. Apparently his main goal in keeping HubPages alive was to achieve a return for the investors who originally provided his funding. By selling to Maven, he was able to pay back those investors. I agree with you that he treated HP like his baby and was proud of it, but if he has achieved that main goal, then one wonders how interested he would be in doing anything for us now.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      43 hours ago from Central Florida

      Marisa, I agree that Maven doesn't care about this site. They've made that quite clear. However, this was Paul's baby. He's now over at Maven. I hope somehow word is getting to him that the most recent changes are creating unrest and that he will step in and fight for us.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      43 hours ago from Central Florida

      Robert, thank you for following this thread and voicing your opinion. I hope more writers do the same. You're much appreciated!

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      43 hours ago from Central Florida

      Marisa, the reason many of us don't check the Official Announcements is because they're not presented to us. We have to seek them out. When my household bills go up or down, the provider sends notification. When my employer implements programs or changes that affect employee income, we're notified. Why should it be any different here?

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      Marisa Wright 

      2 days ago from Melbourne, Australia

      To be fair, HubPages has done amazingly well to survive so long. I started writing online way back in 2004 and I have watched all of HubPages' serious competitors fail. Many long-time Hubbers have been astoniished as, time and time again, HubPages seemed about to fail, then pulled another rabbit out of the hat.

      Unfortunately, Paul Edmondson, the founder, who fought so hard ot achieve those miracles, has moved on. He does not own HubPages any more - he sold it to Maven, a big impersonal company which does not care about this site.

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      Robert Sacchi 

      2 days ago

      That is disheartening. It gives the impression another shoe will drop. On the plus side some Hubbers have been predicting the end of HubPages for years.

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      Marisa Wright 

      2 days ago from Melbourne, Australia

      I don't think you can call it a smokescreen. I don't have any special access to info about the deal and yet I know all about it - because I pay attention to the Official Announcements on the forums, and follow the questions and answers on that thread, to make sure I am fully informed.

      I avoid the forums too, because of the political and religious rubbish that goes on - but the Official Announcements can affect my income, so I take the trouble to check that one section. I am surprised so many other writers don't.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      2 days ago from Central Florida

      Marisa, you've just confirmed that HP and the writers who are HP are nothing but a pawn. Eventually, we'll have to undergo the Maven approval process that was implemented at the start deeming who is and who isn't worthy of writing for Maven.

      It seems this entire process is nothing but a smokescreen.

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      Marisa Wright 

      2 days ago from Melbourne, Australia

      Maven wants to sever the connection with HubPages.com because HubPages.com loses a lot of money, and has done for years. It's the niche sites which have the potential to make income.

      To them, HubPages is just a source of articles for the niche sites, nothing more. If they could figure out a better way to get them, you can be sure HubPages.com would be gone by now.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      2 days ago from Central Florida

      Exactly, Liz. Not all HP authors visit the forums regarding the Maven migration (or any others for that matter). The intention of this article is to bring awareness and hopefully band together. If enough writers make their feelings known, perhaps HP will rethink the decision to adopt Maven's format and return to the HP version of the niche sites. They were prettier, more user friendly, and less invasive.

      It's sad that HP wants to sever the connection between this site and the Maven platform. It makes one wonder if HP will eventually be phased out completely.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Liz. I hope many more come in and do the same.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      2 days ago from Central Florida

      Marisa, this article originally was geared towards the inability to comment, which is key to keeping the community alive. We are also discussing, via the comments section, the video situation and a few others.

      As far as the forums go, many writers who prefer to not engage in heated conversations, avoid them. It is what it is. That's why John, Linda and I have written articles such as this one. It's another way to keep the writers informed.

      Just recently I discovered that the niche sites do lead to our profile when you click on the author's name. However, it's verbiage only. No profile photo, no accolades, etc. and no redirection to the original profile post. At least readers have the ability to learn more about the author as long as they know to click on the author's name.

      I appreciate you taking the time to read my article and leave a comment, Marisa.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      2 days ago from Central Florida

      Bobbi, I'm sorry to hear about your husband. I'm glad to see you back, though. HP has gone thru some drastic changes over the last couple of years. At least after reading this, you won't be so shell-shocked.

      Welcome back. It's really good to see you!

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      Liz Elias 

      3 days ago from Oakley, CA

      I think I can suss out why no link to our profiles: since HP went to the niche sites in order to look better to Google, in an attempt to appear separate from HP proper, they probably don't want anything that links back here.

      But as far as the stupid video goes...that is totally unacceptable...maybe if enough HP writers raise enough of a stink about it, they'll reconsider.

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      John Hansen 

      3 days ago from Queensland Australia

      I know Samantha said they will reinstate comments, we still have not been given any updates on the progress of this or when it may happen.

      She wrote this in a forum four weeks ago:

      “Comments have been disabled until further notice. They are not supported on our new platform, so we must manually find a way to reinstate them.”

      https://hubpages.com/community/forum/349519/this-w...

      Yes, the video, and no link to our full profiles are also a major concern.

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      Marisa Wright 

      3 days ago from Melbourne, Australia

      Unfortunately, this Hub illustrates why avoiding the forums can lead to being uninformed.

      Samantha has said repeatedly that comments WILL be reinstated. That is not the problem with the new layouts.

      The problem with the new layouts is the horrible big video plastered at the top of all our Hubs. The other problem is that our articles no longer link to our full profile. Both of these measures are permanent, apparently.

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      Barbara Purvis Hunter 

      3 days ago from Florida

      Hi, This was a chilling but informative hub.

      I joined HubPages years ago and had to leave when my husband became ill. He passed away in 2016 and I finally decided to write again on HubPages this year.

      2020 has been a stressful year, but I am staying positive and trying to enjoy writing again.

      I have 13 blogs on Blogger.com also. Does anyone else write on Blogger.com?

      Thanks for sharing your valuable information.

      Best Wishes to All,

      Bobbi Purvis

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      3 days ago from Central Florida

      You're so right, Robert. Comments are valuable and raise the position in Google searches, which equates to views, which equates to revenue. That is, until the reader is bombarded with the video, (that you can't close) and takes up most of the page.. You can't even see the article's title for crying out loud!

      I Google and research quite often, in fact daily. When I see that shit, I close out of the window and start over again.

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      Robert Sacchi 

      3 days ago

      Shauna L Bowling - definitely the deeper the dig the more useful the information. It's a good tip about Google Analytics. One thing that puts us at a disadvantage stats wise is Maven doesn't yet have a comments capability. That's far from exact information but every source is of value.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      3 days ago from Central Florida

      Lordy Goshen, Liz! I didn't even think of that! I joined HP long before I kept track of my login info. How on earth are we to know whether or not our stats are true after this merger/takeover?

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      Liz Elias 

      3 days ago from Oakley, CA

      I can't even check my Google analytics, because all of my original login information has been lost. I have no clue what password was in play so many years ago, nor what email address I used--no doubt one that has long since been abandoned...and for which I also no longer have the password.

      Trying to contact Google for help is an exercise in futility.

    • bravewarrior profile imageAUTHOR

      Shauna L Bowling 

      3 days ago from Central Florida

      Sis, I'm on the warpath, fighting for my tribe!

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      Linda Lum 

      3 days ago from Washington State, USA

      Wow Sis, this article is getting a lot of traction. Good for you!!!

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      3 days ago from Central Florida

      Robert, if the bulk of your hits are on HP articles, Maven doesn't come into play. Have you checked your stats to see from where your readers originate? If the bulk are from Google or other search engines, it kinda makes a statement, don't you think?

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      3 days ago from Central Florida

      Robert, that says something, doesn't it? I think outside readers may be bouncing out once they see the video that greets them, rather than the information they're searching for.

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      Robert Sacchi 

      3 days ago

      Keep in mind I have many more non-Maven articles. You may want to crunch the numbers in your stats. Maven may be a case of helping the low hit Hubbers as it hurts the high hit Hubbers.

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      Liz Elias 

      4 days ago from Oakley, CA

      That's a disturbing ratio, Robert...

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      Robert Sacchi 

      4 days ago

      Over the past 2 weeks I got 324 hits on non-Maven articles and 213 on Maven articles.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      7 days ago from Central Florida

      Nell, none of the niche sites allow new comments to be left. It's bad enough we have to put up with the drab format, the intrusive videos and ads. But to lose the ability to communicate with our readers is unacceptable.

      We'll see what happens.

      Thanks for chiming in.

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      Nell Rose 

      7 days ago from England

      Hi Shauna, yes I totally agree with you.Chitrangada told me on facebook that she had read something of mine but couldn't comment. I was appalled! I never knew that. Something needs doing. I am sticking on here, so at least that's two of us, lol

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      Fasan sola Joseph 

      8 days ago from Lake view estate

      You are right, they won't even say I am a big Fan of Michael Jackson,

      Thanks very much for the consideration I would change it soon.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      8 days ago from Central Florida

      Olusola, you need to remove it from both places. By using Michael Jackson's photo as your profile pic, you're violating copyright laws. If the Jackson family were to see it, they could sue you.

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      Fasan sola Joseph 

      8 days ago from Lake view estate

      Thanks very much, I haven't read the rules and regulations, It is my Facebook profile picture and hubpages automatically add it for me when I signed up

    • bravewarrior profile imageAUTHOR

      Shauna L Bowling 

      8 days ago from Central Florida

      Actually, your profile pic, is a photo of young Michael. I found it online. It's the exact same picture. That's against the law, Olusola. You should do yourself a favor and use your own photo.

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      Fasan sola Joseph 

      8 days ago from Lake view estate

      Thanks, I am a big fan of Michael Jackson

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      9 days ago from Central Florida

      Olusola, you are so right! Feedback by way of comments helps us to improve our craft and motivates us to keep writing.

      BTW, has any one ever told you you look like a young Michael Jackson?

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      Fasan sola Joseph 

      10 days ago from Lake view estate

      Thanks for the great work,

      One thing I know for sure is that dis-enabling comment to our articles would lead to non improvement in the way we write.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      10 days ago from Central Florida

      Brenda, we're all in the same boat. Hopefully, Noah will climb aboard and lead us out of this abyss. It's up to HP to pull us out, otherwise, I'm afraid we'll have to abandon ship.

      It's a pleasure to meet you. I don't want our budding friendship to be cut short. That's what this community has led to: friendships. I haven't had a lot in the real world because I'm an Air Force Brat and also a child who was the victim (bad word choice, but can't think of a better one at the moment) of divorce. Point is, I have more friends here than I have in face-to-face life. To lose that contact by way of cutting off communication via comments is a sacrilege. HP staff needs to put themselves in our shoes. Emotions first. Monetary gain second. The first will lead to the latter.

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      BRENDA ARLEDGE 

      10 days ago from Washington Court House

      Shauna,

      Thank you so much for your kind words regarding my work.

      I appreciate all of your help with accessing the back door even if it did lead to a roadblock.

      I will do my best to catch everyone's work when it first gets posted to leave a comment. I am certain I will miss alot, but know that I have tried.

      Thanks for reading my poem Walking with God..and sending me a message.

      I, too, prefer to talk to him whenever I want too.

      Have a great day & stay safe.

      This hiccup with the comments will hopefully get better.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      10 days ago from Central Florida

      Fellow writers, I just discovered a road block in using the back door to leaving comments.

      I went into Brenda Arledge's site to cruise around. I had a hard time choosing which title to read first because they all sound so relatable. That said, I settled on "Walking With God". I read the poem then went to my feed and wasn't able to leave a comment. Apparently, feed only chronicles comments made and left, not the pages visited. This is very disappointing because I really wanted to leave a comment for Brenda on her beautiful work.

      Most, if not all of Brenda's work is on LetterPile. So the Maven platform has created a huge roadblock not only for readers who find their way to our articles via the search engines, but the community within HubPages as well.

      Again, Bummer with a capital B. :-(

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      Ann Carr 

      10 days ago from SW England

      Aawh! You're very kind. Thank you, Shauna. You too.

      Ann

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      10 days ago from Central Florida

      Have a wonderful weekend, Ann. Let your beautiful soul shine on the world!

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      Ann Carr 

      10 days ago from SW England

      Absolutely!

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      10 days ago from Central Florida

      Glad I could make you laugh, my friend. Laughter should always reign!

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      Ann Carr 

      10 days ago from SW England

      You made me laugh with your last phrase there - one I hadn't heard before!! Thanks for that! We have to laugh or we're going to cry.

      Ann

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      10 days ago from Central Florida

      Stay cool, Ann. Concentrating on your writing is a smart move, especially if it helps to ward off that which irritates you.

      As far as the foreseeable, future, we shall see. It's very frustrating not being given a timeline for the improvements we're asking for. I just hope they're not blowing smoke up our patooties!

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      Ann Carr 

      10 days ago from SW England

      I'm now just trying to concentrate on my writing, otherwise I get really angry and I resent that they can affect me like that!! I don't think they'll be doing much for the foreseeable future.

      Keep sane and keep well, Shauna!

      Ann

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      10 days ago from Central Florida

      I just did my own tally. In the past seven days I've had 578 views on niche site articles and 247 on HubPages.

      Are the rate of earnings the same for Maven versus HP?

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      10 days ago from Central Florida

      Also, interesting, John. I wonder if subject matter is the driving force.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      10 days ago from Central Florida

      Interesting statistics, Robert. That says something, doesn't it?

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      10 days ago from Central Florida

      Well, that's a relief! However, the back door (feed) method is only available to HP writers. It doesn't solve the overall problem.

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      John Hansen 

      11 days ago from Queensland Australia

      Robert, My hits in the last seven days showed niche site articles had three times as many as those on HubPages and I probably have about 50/50 of my articles between them. But most of my old articles on HubPages and a lot of them haven’t had many views for awhile.

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      Robert Sacchi 

      11 days ago

      Last week I received 246 hits from non-niche articles and 196 hits from niche articles. The non-niche articles make up the lions share of my articles.

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      John Hansen 

      11 days ago from Queensland Australia

      The comments are there now, including your latest and my reply. It just takes time to move across to the niche sites apparently.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      11 days ago from Central Florida

      Yeah, I'm thinking the latter, John.

      BTW, I left a comment on your Iris post that has now been moved to LetterPile. I went thru the back door to leave it. I've even gotten notification that there are three more comments on your article. However, NONE of the new comments show on the article. So that workaround doesn't work.

      Lord A-mighty, I hope they fix this soon. We're spending far too much time bitching when we should be creating.

      Bummer with a capital B!

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      John Hansen 

      11 days ago from Queensland Australia

      Well, they say the present situation and changes is only “Phase One” and supposedly “Phase Two” will focus on fixing some of the problems revealed in “Phase One.”

      Well, I hope it does and that it isn’t far away. They advised people not to use ad blockers etc as it was interfering with the process.

      I guess we just have to wait and see if the statement they will work on restoring comment capability is truthful or just spin to keep some of us “rabble rousers” quiet.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      11 days ago from Central Florida

      I agree, John. I think they mean to clear cache, do a scan and perhaps enable pop-up blockers. However, that doesn't address the problem. Readers coming in from the outside see all the gobbledy-gook that peppers each article. Who the hell wants to combat all that? There are so many ads throughout the copy and videos on the sides that readers are in danger of inadvertently activating any one of them simply by scrolling down in an attempt to read the article. There's barely any free space on the screen. An errant mouse could easily click on any one of the infiltrators purely by accident.

      Judging by the response to Ann, it doesn't sound like HP has any intention of cleaning up the mess. We'll be lucky if we get comments back at this point.

      What are your thoughts?

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      John Hansen 

      11 days ago from Queensland Australia

      “Cleanse your system?” I hate to think what that even means. What sort of inane reply is that?

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      11 days ago from Central Florida

      Thank you, Mark. The community is what made HubPages such a wonderful place to create and share. Hopefully, HP will give us back some of what has been taken away so we can once again be a strong, supportive, informative venue.

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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      Mark Tulin 

      11 days ago from Santa Barbara, California

      Shauna, great analysis of HubPages history. I do miss the community as well. I appreciate your excellent writing.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      11 days ago from Central Florida

      Ann, I think we're all waiting with bated breath.....

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      Ann Carr 

      11 days ago from SW England

      I've seen their own comments that say they intend to reinstate the comments but I'll believe it when I see it.

      Yes, I'll be careful, thanks.

      Ann

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      11 days ago from Central Florida

      Be careful that the non-fiction you publish doesn't find itself worthy of one of the other niche sites, Ann.

      Judging from their response to you, they don't plan on, nor do they feel the need, to sort themselves out. Hopefully, they still plan on restoring the comments feature.

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      Ann Carr 

      11 days ago from SW England

      Quite. They ignore the important aspects and come back with irrelevant comments.

      I'm getting so cross and it's not worth it. I think I'll just write a few articles and publish when they've sorted themselves out. I'm certainly not publishing fiction.

      Ann

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      11 days ago from Central Florida

      Ann, are they referring to the leading video and the multitude of ads on each page? Cleanse your system? How 'bout not junk up the site, HP?!

      Wow. Their response is extremely disparaging.

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      Ann Carr 

      11 days ago from SW England

      Have since had an answer from the HP team. They suggest I 'cleanse' my system! Pass the buck, eh?! I can't be bothered any more. I think they don't care.

      Ann

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      12 days ago from Central Florida

      Robert, that's just the beginning. Have you read any of your favorite authors' articles on the new niche sites? They're abominal!

      Go into any of the folks you follow articles page and click on one that's on a niche site and you'll see what we mean. Then come back and give us your assessment.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      12 days ago from Central Florida

      Yeah, I don't either, Liz. I clicked on her name in the forum and came up with nothing but a link to HubPages Staff. Perhaps try emailing editor@hubpages.com. It might not go directly to Samantha, but it'll go to someone there. When I reply to emails at that address, I get a response.

      Even better, try this and send your email to all of them:

      I went to HubPages Staff and found the following that may be of help:

      Matt Wells. He actually has a link to contact him. He's the Moderation Manager. Or try Haley Davis, who is Editor and Quality Lead. She has a Contact link, too. So does Andy Linquist, Editor and Team Lead. Or Alec Surmani, Editor and Team Lead. Or Tessa Buchin, Editor and Manager, Contributors. To be availed of email links for all of these staff members, Google name (for each individual) on Hubpages to go to their profile page. There you'll find their email links.

      You go girl and keep me in the loop!

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      Robert Sacchi 

      12 days ago

      Yes, let's see how they handle the comments situation.

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      Liz Elias 

      12 days ago from Oakley, CA

      P.S. I don't see any link to Samantha at the bottom of the 'weekly news' email...

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      12 days ago from Central Florida

      Liz, I now think I know what you mean by "email share". Yes, definitely. I was the first to come forward publicly by posting this article (outside of the forums, that is). I'd like to stay in the loop. I love that you and so many other HP authors are jumping on the bandwagon. That's the only way we can make a difference!

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      12 days ago from Central Florida

      I agree, Robert. Once we get the comments back we need to tackle the intrusive video that appears on the top third of the page and all the ads that interrupt not only copy, but the comments that have been brought forward.

      One thing at a time, right? We need to see if our voices are actually heard.

      It would be nice if HP would offer a vote to the writers or send a blast email asking for our opinions/gripes.

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      Robert Sacchi 

      12 days ago

      It' good they plan to reinstate comments. Hopefully, they will do it before they lose too many people.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      12 days ago from Central Florida

      Absolutely, Ann. Keep me posted! You know how to get in touch with me.

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      Ann Carr 

      12 days ago from SW England

      Ok. Thanks Shauna.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      12 days ago from Central Florida

      Ann, see my response to Liz or try emailing Samantha Cubbison. She seems to be the chosen spokesperson between HP and us.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      12 days ago from Central Florida

      Liz, click on the forum post link in the weekly newsletter and reply under one of Samantha's responses. She actually answered my question about restoring comments. Not a great answer, but she answered nonetheless.

      Not sure what you mean by "email share". Do you mean BCC?

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      Ann Carr 

      12 days ago from SW England

      I also sent a messsge via the 'weekly news'. No reply as yet! What a surprise!

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      Liz Elias 

      12 days ago from Oakley, CA

      Shauna, I've also been boycotting Wal-Mart for many years! I'm sure old Sam Walton is rolling in his grave at what his descendants have done with the once honorable company he started!

      *****

      I sent a scathing reply to their 'weekly news' email...and it bounced back, "address not found." Interesting, as I checked, and it was NOT a "no reply" address in the 'from' field. So now, I'll have to check and see where I can send it...(also sent a BCC to Para!! -- If you'd like, I can also send an email share to you.)

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      12 days ago from Central Florida

      Robert, I just checked my earnings. Since January I've only been receiving payout every four months. That's way down from previous years. I'll have to take a look at my account to see which articles are getting hits. It should prove to be interesting.

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      Robert Sacchi 

      13 days ago

      John Hansen - That seems my experience as well. Shauna L. Bowling - That's a good idea to track. My hits are a mixture of Niche and non-niche sites. It will take some time to get a feel for it. I've received 1 payout so it may be hurting the top hit getters.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      13 days ago from Central Florida

      That's interesting, John. Liz came up with good idea: let us see which articles and on what platform are earning for us. That would be wonderful information to have. I'm sure HP sees it, but it would be helpful for the authors to be privy to that info as well.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      13 days ago from Central Florida

      Robert, I don't really check my traffic on a regular basis, so I'm not a real good judge. I can say, however, that my payouts have been every two or three months, whereas prior to the Maven niche platform, I was seeing a payout every other month. When HP started moving my articles to their version of the niche sites, earnings and views increased. Now they're down.

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      John Hansen 

      13 days ago from Queensland Australia

      Robert, the traffic to my most popular articles per day has reduced but a wider selection of my articles seem to be getting views for some reason.

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      Robert Sacchi 

      2 weeks ago

      Thank you. My traffic is low but I have seen a definite uptick the last couple of months. I would be interesting to hear from people who haven't been getting many hits to see if they have a similar experience.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      2 weeks ago from Central Florida

      Liz, I applaud you for standing up for your ethics. I feel the same way about Wal-Mart. I refuse to buy from them. I saw a documentary years ago about the female child labor they employ overseas. The little girls are felt up (and down) before and after their shifts. And, of course, they work ungodly hours for very little pay. I was disgusted by what what was exposed in that documentary, so I don't support Wal-Mart in any way, shape or form.

      It would be nice to have access to the contractual details of the Maven/HubPages "merger" (is it a merger or a buyout???) After all, the writers ARE HubPages. Shouldn't we be in the know? Shouldn't we be made aware of the compromises we are subjected to? Shouldn't we have a choice?

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