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I just do not know....

Updated on November 4, 2011

I have been "hubbing" now for awhile. Not every day, or week, or month...but for awhile. Hubbing is "okay" but it is not like blogging, which is much more satisfactory to me. When I come to Hubpages, I cannot find much of what I am looking for and I get irritated with all the religious hubs. Seems to me that everyone is on a bandwagon of some sort about God, Jesus and sin. I lived in Texas for 7 years, which I officially call my time living in HELL. It is an overly judgmental place that I have no desire to ever return to. Hubpages is kind of like Texas to me. I do not see many positive and upbeat posts and most of the writing is atrocious. I am no perfect writer, but as a composition and creative writing teacher, I know talent, and some of the people here are not talented! And the funny thing is, some of them seem to win contests and have huge followings.

I do not mean to sound mean spirited, but some of the topics people post are totally ludicrous to me. There are some people who post their poetry and short stories here and they are pretty well done. I am happy they have a post to post their work since they will probably not get published. My husband tried to publish a book 11 years ago and got 669 rejection letters. Seems people think they are writers, but everyone wants into it, and it is like getting a government job: ya gotta know someone!

I am all about people writing as a way of being creative, I know it makes me happy. But, it kind of reminds me of a junior high school popularity contest.If you are not "someone" you get shuffled back to the end of the line. Been there, done that. I am an adjunct college instructor. We are notorious second class citizens, or at least we are treated as such. I do not think of myself as being a part time instructor, else I would probably commit beriberi. After all, with 2.5 masters degrees under my belt and $150K in student loan debts to pay, I need some kind of sense of accomplishment. Fortunately, the schools I work for are kind and considerate places to work. I have seen the worst and work at the best.

I bet you think I sound kind of curmudgeonly like Andy Rooney? Truth is I usually am not so negative, but I am pretty disgruntled about making less than $5 here on this page after so many "winners" are raking in the dough! It should not matter and normally it doesn't, but some days I can see the inequity, as do the OWS protesters. I must give it to them, they are strong, while I am weak and wimpy.

C'est la vie.

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      Barbara Kay Badder 5 years ago from USA

      The truth is that writing at places like Hubpages doesn't have very much to do with talent. All you need to be able to do to make money is know SEO and know how to find sources of traffic. This is sad, but true.

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      Jon Peterz 5 years ago from California

      Nice Hub. Loved it.

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      RobertElias Ballard 5 years ago from From the Blue Ridge Mountains of Western North Carolina

      Enjoyed the read and enjoy writing. My expectations for making $$ is not very high but I do enjoy reading some others work. Congrats to all those who do make money here and get so any reads. If UI get 2 or three comment I feel pretty good.

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      Jenna Pope 5 years ago from Southern California

      Too bad you feel the way you do. HubPages is not going to pay very much for awhile. But you get a site chock full of nice people who write and are learning to write. When I want to make immediate $$ I look in the classified and query those writing jobs. So far I've been in an two anthologies (on honest-to-goodness paper), a literary magazine on paper and a popular ethnic magazine, also on paper. I don't have any connections in the writing industry. SEO and all that gobble-di-goop takes a long time to master. You learn it a chunk at a time.

      I love to write about my religion -- Catholicism -- and then post my link on a couple of blogs. I am building quite a little following (and some income) on my blogs this way. And it is slowly growing.

      Personally, you are showing all the signs of a woman who needs to eat a box of chocolates and take a Calgon vacation.

      There by the grace of God go I.

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      Jason Marovich 5 years ago from United States

      Many of us are learning how to write better as we go along, Aley. Some are trying to do it in a second or third language. While I understand your disappointment, there is an opportunity here for the better writers (and better SEO people) to carry the site for those learning. It would be a never ending writer's workshop that way. I'm trying to learn how to compete in SEO as I go along, too.

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      gryphin423 5 years ago from Florida

      I love your picture and the saying. I share a lot of your feelings and have given in to the SEO gods. Like writing where you need an "in", doing hubs you need SEO to even have a vague chance of decent $$. Sad, but true. I hear you on the religious part too, I lived in Arkansas for two long years, talk about hell. Best of luck, keep on keeping on...

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      Alice Lee Martin 5 years ago from Sumner, Washington,USA

      What is an SEO? Perhaps that is my problem~ hahaha...thanks for commenting!

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      Alice Lee Martin 5 years ago from Sumner, Washington,USA

      I do not always feel this way, guess it is my mood! LOL...I do think sometimes it pays to be curmudgeonly more than it does not be "nice"....! LOL....I already have 4 jobs, so do not want this to become another one! Good luck to you all here! Don't quit your day jobs tho! Wish this was a blog still...oh well

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      LindaSmith1 5 years ago from USA

      I love the picture. I have read between the lines. I see claims of $1000 in one month when the hubber has less than 100 hubs in over 2 years, with hub ratings not above 70, and most being below 70. I read some today with high hub scores. Now these beauties had poor spelling, grammar errors, one paragraph followed by a ton of referral links, etc. I think you get the picture. I think my next hub will be totally garbage just to see what happens. But first, I am going to spend an hour with Google keyword tool, and use it to see how the right keywords, affects garbage content.

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      Alice Lee Martin 5 years ago from Sumner, Washington,USA

      thanks! Let me know! LOL

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      Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

      Hi Aley,

      I know what you mean. The poetry is particularly ridiculous. I read whole books to research some of my hubs, and still never got a payout after 1 year. The contest money always goes to the forum "pets". I swear I read a post in Spring about over saturated topics, and recipes was one of them. It began an uproar on the forum, with all the powers that be who give themselves 100 scores for writing 400 word hubs that are short on info but repeat the key words over and over. I read one about a particular ethnic dance that was so boring, mentioned the type of dancing at least 20 times, the videos, the dance steps, etc. and of course, the 100 score. I tried the SEO keyword research and it doesn't work for me. Once you title your hub, it doesn't change on HP anyway, and for a few weeks you have one hub circulating under two names. I don't write as much on here as I did. And I also believe this is a writer's site, not a relgious one. Many of the Jesus lovers rip off scriptures straight out of the Bible, so that is not original content. It's sad, and I for one am sick of being preached to. About 6 out of 10 hubs are about relgion. I supposed they have the right to their views, but should really be on a religious page.

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      Linda Smith 5 years ago

      Yepper. The hubs I saw today were just like that. Recipes. Hey, go online, find recipe and print it out. I don't get it. Write 5 sentences for a how to change a tire, then toss in videos about a lousy car salesman ripping off customers, and get high rating. I notice high scores to same people. But great hubs, zip, they are ranked 50 something.

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      Alice Lee Martin 5 years ago from Sumner, Washington,USA

      WOW....! I am happy to see that some of you feel the same way I do! I thought I was being a jerk, but I feel less lonely, not that you are jerks...!!!! I mean it is interesting to see some rather similar feelings here...

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      Alice Lee Martin 5 years ago from Sumner, Washington,USA

      I awakened this morning thinking that perhaps Hubpages should insist people who are not writing poems or fiction do research on what they post! I think those people with rigid dogmas about their religion should be advised to research another religion so they can learn something NEW and not remain so rigid in their views. Or if someone is against something, perhaps they need to learn why they are and look at the other side? One of the biggest problems on our planet is the inability to communicate and come to a fair sense of disagreement. I think if people took the time to see the other side of things, it could benefit humanity in the long run. As to those who do the research, you should be elevated to the top of the Hubpages, because your work is not simply regurgitation of the Same ole stuff....

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      saddlerider1 5 years ago

      I would tend to agree with your Rant. Although there is a diverse ranking of fare. From very poor to excellent. Overall I would have to say this is not a writer's site, it's a content FARM. Those copying and pasting and spinning articles to try to reach the golden ring of mucho $$$$ when most don't get past $5

      As for Poets, I consider myself one and write to please myself, I acquired a following not because I asked anyone to follow me, they may have seen something in what I write that helped them in theirs. I don't consider myself a great poet nor do I care what anyone else thinks of my poetry. I have found the Hubs to be user friendly and I have acquired some beautiful loving friends here. Sure there is a lot of fluffy and flowery poetry, but heck many are glad to be here to learn from some of the great ones, sure they are few, however I respect that people are trying to improve their writing.

      Don't be so hard on your fellow hubber, no one is perfect but heck many are trying to improve and hopefully reach perfection some day. We all have to have a starting point. If one doesn't like what they are reading simply pass it by and don't leave a comment, easily done. Oh and YES I am 100% behind you on your feelings about the religious and I will include the political rants in the Forums. A very HUGE reason I stay away from the. Have a great week-end and keep writing, we all need improvement professor:-) I really enjoyed your rant.

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      Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

      Hi Aley,

      No, we understand you weren't calling us jerks. I'm fed up but like the easy format. I know all the "pets" will win the poetry contest no matter how awful their poems are. The powers that be already said to explain in prose the meaning of your poem if it's under 400 words. Hello? If you read the poem and don't know what it's about, what's wrong with this picture? I can understand leaving some ambiguity. It is better to avoid the forums, I set off a rant for 2 days after insisting they said recipes were over rated. I got a colored background rebuke from Simone Smith and Patty English, all 100's who write short, dull pieces.

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      Marilyn Alexander 5 years ago from Vancouver, Canada and San Jose del Cabo, Mexico

      You seem to have expressed a meaningful sentiment held by a number of hubbers. When I read your hub I don't hear "mean spiritedness". I hear surprise at yourself for being surprised yet again to find that a site such as HubPages is not perfect.

      I can understand and even relate to your comments about some hubs receiving more “praise”, “attention”, “accolades”, etc., than what the hubs alone might normally receive. Perhaps it is about how well the hubber’s portfolio fits the paradigm HubPages needs to increase its rating with Google.

      It is hard for me to read (and attempt to rate) some hubs that are so poorly written or do not say anything particularly unique, or provide much in the way of valuable information. But, I try to remind myself, that might be simply my personal point of view and not what is required at the moment.

      Although I am new to this business of writing online, I am new at a different level than other hubbers. I have the advantage of a great education, work experience requiring good communications skills, and am at an age where I have much experience. So where others may be learning to write well, in English, I find that I must learn how to write about subjects that are popular to the biggest demographic that not only uses the internet but also is ready, willing, and able to buy from the internet. If I want to make money!

      No, you are NOT weak and wimpy at all! I think you have expressed your opinion extremely well. I, on the other hand, am more like the woman in your image. I have the same red hair and even used to wear it like that! It seems that “butter wouldn’t melt in my mouth” either. So I am impressed and grateful when someone speaks their mind in a cogent and interesting way. The fact that I may agree with you should be beside the point.

      You have also given us all an opportunity to think about what you say and to either express an opinion (or not). Thanks for that.

      I agree with Saddlerider, some of the Forums can be a depressing waste of time. I think many people simply avoid them.

      All in all, I find HubPages a perfect place for me to learn what I want at this point in time. Things like SEO, AdSense, backlinking, title tuning, key words, RSS feeds, etc. I know this has little if anything to do with writing well, but I hope it will help me get some of my stuff up a little higher in the rankings (whoever is doing the ranking) and that THAT is what will help me make some money doing something I love doing.

      I guess my final sentiment about HubPages would be, it is place where I can meet extremely interesting people (like you) and receive positive feedback on my articles.

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      Alice Lee Martin 5 years ago from Sumner, Washington,USA

      Thanks everyone. I had to look up what SEO meant, as I had never heard of it. I am not writing to drive people to me, I am writing so I can write. Some of you also profess to be doing that, kudos to you! If I could have made money writing, I would have saved $150K to go get my degrees to teach...although truth be told, teaching is my first love, then writing! Thanks again for coming by and commenting here everyone. I appreciate your feedback!

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      Stacy Harris 5 years ago from Hemet, Ca

      I really do feel you on this rant... I have at times felt the same way. There are some that write complete garbage... for instance so today I decided I was going for a walk and then I saw the cutest dog and well I hope every one else is having a great day!... yeah - those get annoying. And maybe I am not one to talk. I don't have a particular niche. I write on a variety of different topics. I have a few sarcastic reviews mixed in with recipes (but I hope people like the way I share them - I don't just put how to make it) Some of the stuff I write is purely creative writing. I throw in poetry every now in then if I am in the mood. I used to write for a living when I was in the military. Since then I have found writing to be one of those careers few can truly break into. Nothing against my fellow hubbers - I love them dearly - but Hubpages is not a career move. I write here because I love to write and I want people who will give me feedback and support. I wasn't getting that from writing in a notebook.

      I hope even after this rant, you still find writing on Hubpages to be soothing to you. Because in reality, when it comes to writing here, you is what matters. Sure, the community aspect is nice, but you write cause you want to... not because someone asked you too.

      Good luck to you!

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      Alice Lee Martin 5 years ago from Sumner, Washington,USA

      It is interesting to note this hub only garnered a 56....seems to be an odd number with so many comments! Thanks to all for listening to my rant!

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