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My Time on HubPages and Where the Site Is Headed

Updated on December 4, 2017
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Chris has written more than 300 flash fiction/short stories. Working Vacation was 21st out of 6,700 in the 2016 Writer's Digest competition.

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Have a seat here by my campfire along the Madison River near Bozeman, Montana This photo was taken on Sunday, October 22, 2017. Try to forget that just two weeks ago, on the peak straight ahead, two grizzlies and a pack of wolves were spotted by a ranch hand I met at the trailhead. But no worries...right?

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Madison River Near Bozeman, Montana


Being Part of the Community

It’s been more than five years since I began writing on HubPages. When I arrived, I had no idea what to do next. I had tools, a space to call my own, and that’s about it. I began writing, and you, my HubPages friends, began reading what I wrote. And many of you went the extra mile to leave comments. The encouragement of those comments kept me going for quite some time. Screen names changed to real names and quite often real faces as icons. I was making friends. I was also growing as a writer.

My first hubs were articles, but at some point, I decided to try writing fiction. A friend commented on one of my stories and said it was a fine piece of flash fiction. I had never heard the term before, so I did some research and wrote some more flash fiction. At that time, I also stumbled onto a site where a man from the UK offered to work on my flash fiction stories with me, for a small fee, of course. I took him up on the offer, and I believe my writing improved as a result.

I continued writing here on HubPages, and you continued to read and comment. All this time I was actively reading and commenting on many of your hubs as well. Challenges were issued and I joined in the fun of responding to those opportunities. As time went along, the number of people I followed and who followed me grew. I was part of the community.

NYC Midnight Challenges


A Time of Instruction and Growth

Four years ago, I became aware of an organization called NYC Midnight. They hold writing challenges/competitions throughout the year. The NYC challenges are unique in that they have a forum which the participants in the challenges can join. We post the stories we submitted for the competition and proceeded to offer critiques on each other's stories. We do this for both short stories and flash fiction. Between the SS and FF challenges, I have been highly involved in the NYC Midnight Challenges for nearly eight months of the year for four years.

That participation has had two effects. First, I believe, it has improved my fiction writing. Second, it has pulled me away from HubPages. There is no way I could continue my former participation here, hold my full-time job as a traveling healthcare worker, and be a part of the NYC challenges. My involvement with HubPages suffered, but it was a conscious decision.

HubPages is not the place for critical feedback, at least it hasn’t been since I have been around. The feedback is awesome though. It is encouraging, which is what I needed for the first couple of years. The only reason I am writing fiction today is that HubPages gave me the place to get started. I will never forget what this community has done for me. But if I was to continue improving as a writer, I needed someone telling me what was critically wrong with my work.

For that reason, I have opted to spend many months of the year embroiled in the forums at NYC Midnight challenges. I believe it has paid off. But it has taken its toll on my relationships here on HubPages.

This Is NOT My Swan Song to HubPages


I'm Not Going Anywhere

This is not my Swan Song for HubPages. I’m not going anywhere. I believe this is the best place for me to feature my fiction stories, at least the ones I don’t submit for publication. But I don’t have high expectations for page views and comments from the HP community. Those have steadily dropped off as I have been involved elsewhere. That is something I will have to live with. I think most hubbers would agree that our primary target audience isn’t the HubPages community but the larger world of readers accessible through the internet. That will continue to be my focus.

I Support the Changes Being Made on HubPages Regarding Creative Writing

I am excited about the changes being made by the HP staff regarding creative writing and writers. The site’s willingness to allow fiction writers to participate here put us on first base. LetterPile was a great move, but it really only got us to second base. The next move is equally exciting. Creative writers will have their own dedicated niche site. Third base.

All of this will promote our work and make it more accessible to the wider world. But, in my opinion, at least one more step will need to be taken before we see a large influx of readers to the creative writing site. All of our hubs will have to be categorized by genre and to some extent, form.

Without this move, readers from outside HP will continue to see a mountain of writing to sort through. They come with specific desires but are met with a mishmash of creative writing. Just think if those people entered the site and saw neatly organized collections of every possible genre of literature. They could go directly to what they came for. That is when we will see large numbers of return visitors and not before.

I'm Sticking Around

So I will stick around for the home run that will occur if the HubPages staff keep doing what they’ve been doing. I want to publicly commend them for promoting the work of creative writers on HubPages. There are some extremely talented people here who deserve to have their work read more widely.

Here are four singles that will drive in the winning run by making creative writing on HubPages accessible to the general public and searchable on Google and other search engines.

  1. Creative writers, must break free of the mindset that our only audience is the HP community.

  2. Our creative writing must be stellar or no one outside the community will want to read it.

  3. The site itself must be accessible. We are seeing huge strides made in this regard.

  4. The stories, poems, essays, and other types of creative writing must be organized by genre and form.

After five years on HubPages, I am glad to see light at the end of the tunnel for the work of creative writers. There are people who want what we have to offer. As writers, let’s continue to offer a high quality product to our customers. Write it, write it well, and they will come to read.

Nice Job, HubPages Staff

HP Staff, thank you for your changes to the site on behalf of creative writers.
HP Staff, thank you for your changes to the site on behalf of creative writers. | Source

My Observations on the Poll Below So Far

As I write this supplement to the hub, eight people have participated in the poll below. It's a small number of people, but I find it enlightening. My idea for breaking the creative writing site down according to genre is based on how we behave when we enter a bookstore. I usually go directly to the area designated to the kind of book I'm searching for. If that is fiction, I look much more specifically than simply fiction. I go to the Horror section, or Science Fiction, or Thriller. When people online come to the creative writing site here on HP, are they not, more or less, going into an online bookstore? No, they won't be purchasing the writings, but they will be choosing what to read. Most, I believe, have particular genres they enjoy. Why would we make it more difficult for them to find what they are looking for? If all they see is a room full of fiction, they may simply leave and find a site dedicated to their particular tastes. I consider this to be an enormous barrier to keeping visitors engaged on the LetterPile site. To not take this step would be like a department store that doesn't separate merchandise into sections such as men's clothing or gardening tools. Would you take the time to locate what you were looking for in such a store or would you go to a store that made it easy to find your desired item?

Poll About Making Creative Writing Accessible on the Web

Do you feel that breaking down the creative writing content on HubPages/LetterPile into genres would help people find our work?

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    • manatita44 profile image


      2 years ago from london

      Thanks Chris. Some changes as regards creative writing are needed yes. I would be happy if they had a poetical section for romantic poetry, esoteric poetry, sonnets and so forth.

      I'm glad that you are receiving help elsewhere. Anything that helps your writing is excellent. My purpose is different though and it makes sense, as I generally write spiritual work. My purpose is always to serve, to awaken, inspire, illumine ... reach the Heart.

      Good knowing you. You're a good man. A lot of us here are very busy and would respond generally to what we see. So if, let us say, that I comment on someone's work for four or five times (just a generalisation) and I do not see them on mines, then I tend to move on. I know others like that. It seems reasonable. salaam!

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      Chris Mills 

      2 years ago from Traverse City, MI

      I'm not sure that will happen now that Maven is in the picture. I don't know how if Maven will want to promote fiction writing.

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      Shauna L Bowling 

      2 years ago from Central Florida

      Chris, I think your idea of breaking LetterPile down into genres makes perfect sense for all the reasons you stated above. I hope your suggestion is given some serious consideration by HP staff.

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      Jo Miller 

      3 years ago from Tennessee

      Hi, Chris. I'm a new old hubber--I joined several years ago, but only became active a year or so ago. When I returned to the site I was impressed with the changes and I'm here to see where this site goes. I haven't submitted any creative writing yet but may get to that some day, but your ideas make sense. I'll be back to look at more of your writing. I'm impressed so far, and good luck.

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      DREAM ON 

      3 years ago

      P.S. I have to give you a heads up. I am not skilled at many things. My writings are raw and come from the heart. When it comes to grammar and all the rules good writers follow I lack that correctness and perfectness. I have a long history of thoughts that go back when I was very young. The teachers I had for English were very strict on grammar and punctuation. They would constantly rip my work apart. No matter what I was trying to say didn't matter.I improved slowly to get at this point. I thought that everyone was different and the beauty of the beast would shine through. I was wrong then and probably wrong today. I know if I write something and wait for it to be of high quality and top standards which most people and writers expect I would never have finished one story/poem I call a stoem. I will keep trying to improve and I am always open to suggestions and positive criticism. Then I will return and make corrections as time allows. I am sure many people click on my page and leave as fast as they come. I have learned long time ago you can't please everyone. When you try to please everyone they are happy and your not. So I am happy to hit print using my technique the (cave man) approach. I have read many hubs and I can see what perfectionism is and I am hoping it will osmosisly rub off on me. I have always had a tough time doing most things people find easy. I hesitated to even go on the computer because I was use to the old typewriter methods. I only went from cursive to typewriting because my hand hurt so much. I just thought I would give a little insight to the man behind the cat. I don't hide behind the cat. I just loved my cat Darrel so much I thought it would be great to remember him when I write. Thank you for listening , reading and sharing your great talents. Have an enormously, incredible day.

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      Chris Mills 

      3 years ago from Traverse City, MI

      Dream On, it is good to see you here today. I will try to get over and see your stoems soon. Thanks for the comments. They are encouraging.

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      DREAM ON 

      3 years ago

      I wish you great success and the world of writing. HubPages became my writing home and do to the busy lives we all lead I am so glad to read and share many stories/poems I call stoems. I appreciate the enormous talent that so many writers have and their continued support. I think you have many beneficial ideas that could help HubPages in a direction going forward. Wishing you a good night and a Happy New Year.

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      Chris Mills 

      3 years ago from Traverse City, MI

      Verlie, I love your name. Actually, that was my paternal grandfather's name. I join you in hoping for continued change on HP, specifically on LetterPile. I will continue pressing for more organization on the site. If we feel frustrated when visiting, just think how the uninvested guest feels. Thanks for visiting my hub and for your comments.

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      Chris Mills 

      3 years ago from Traverse City, MI

      Paula, I came over to respond to Verlie's comment . Of course, I had already read it, but where is my response? I had a long colorful response. Well, whether you intended or not, I am blushing. That's a quality left over from a naive and relatively innocent past. The smile and eyes are the only means I know to see inside. It's an imperfect tool, but one to work on over a number of years. speaking of adding a face to our work, during the past year I have experimented with video of me reading my own stories. I have one or two here on HP and on YouTube. You can see that effort on my hub called Jacomo. I always enjoy your candor, Paula. Keep being yourself here on HP.

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      Verlie Burroughs 

      3 years ago from Canada

      Chris, Thank you for instigating change. I see LetterPile as a big pile of random stuff. I find it really frustrating that I can't find an index to what may or may not be published there. Would be great if stories were listed according to genre, I agree. I hope there are changes coming.

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      3 years ago from Carson City

      I don't think the Blurred-Photo Police care at all if OUR faces are blurry. Just so the photos in the Hubs that make the money are not blurry! LOL

      I was sort of hoping I wouldn't embarrass you, honest ( aHEM)

      Your face exudes a calm, gentle man, whose heart is pure. Don't tell me otherwise, you'll hurt my belief in being very expert at reading faces. (Of course it's a valid plus that we writers get to know our fellow writers from the inside-out.) Please don't take it down for at least a while. I'm one who wishes everyone would add a face to their work. I get weary trying to "imagine." I guess that means among being an intuit, em-path & seeker, I'm also visual?

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      Chris Mills 

      3 years ago from Traverse City, MI

      Who's turning purple? I'm eating it up. Come on back for seconds. The photo is a bit fuzzy. I keep expecting to get a notice from the HP blurry photo police. Thanks, Paula. That was very sweet of you.

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      3 years ago from Carson City

      Cam!! Just minding my own business, scrolling along when I passed by someone I thought was a "New" member. And what to my wondering eyes do I find? It's YOU! Bout time we get a nice clear close-up of you, you handsome devil.

      I know men are shy & silly when it comes to accepting compliments, but HA!...since when would that stop Ms Bold Paula?? LOL. Really handsome picture, Cam....just pretend you can hear my wolfette whistle. (serves you guys right!)

      You look very dignified & scholarly. What's more important, you're cute as a puppy!! LOL.

      OK, CAM, now that I have turned your face sufficiently purple, I'll leave you alone. Paula :)

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      3 years ago from london

      A nice look at your journey here. You've done extremely well, Chris and you do seem inclined to follow your star. Self-improvement or self-transcendence, is the way to go and you seem to have understood this. Congratulations!!

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      Larry Rankin 

      3 years ago from Oklahoma

      Pertinent analysis.

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      Ann Carr 

      3 years ago from SW England

      You've made great progress, Chris, since first being at HP, as have quite a few of us I think. I can identify with all your points.

      I agree that slotting fiction writing into genres will improve the accessibility and therefore a growth in readers.

      I sometimes feel that I should concentrate on taking my writing to a higher level but we'll see; I'm happy here at the moment.

      Great article and beautiful photos!


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      Chris Mills 

      3 years ago from Traverse City, MI

      Paula, You are definitely one of my favorite hubbers. Your personality shines wherever you go. I hope our paths continue to cross from time to time. Four and a half years ago, when I began traveling for my work, I spent six months in Missoula, MT. I was up near Kalispell many times, including three trips to Glacier NP. Those six months were a highlight of my life.

      When we take a step away from HP, and when our time spent here decreases, I believe many hubbers remove us from the list of people they follow. My followers list says I have 521 followers, but I'm sure it is far below that in reality. I'm not sure why they think that is necessary. But to each his own. I'll be watching for your article between now and the first of the year. Best wishes to you in all your endeavors.

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      Chris Mills 

      3 years ago from Traverse City, MI

      MizBejabbers , Thanks for taking time to comment, and thank you also for your compliment about my writing. That is very special. I've communicated with the HP staff from time to time and have found them to be quick to respond and extremely interested in what goes on here. I'll never forget how they responded when I told them about a "Troll" in the forum who was relentless in her hateful posts. The Troll was gone within minutes. But they also responded to positive suggestions such as when I recommended a specific topic for flash fiction. I do not share the contempt some hubbers seem to have for the staff which provides this incredible platform for our work. On the contrary, I admire their efforts to give us as much exposure as possible. Thanks for stopping by today.

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      3 years ago from Carson City

      Cam...A little over a month ago, I spent close to a week in "gorgeous," Kalispell, Montana~~approximately 300 miles from where you are! Breathtaking country. I was in awe.

      But to your article, you've written a very nice piece here, Cam. I am enlightened to see we have quite a bit in common happening in our lives.

      I too am preparing to write my, shall I say, slow & subtle "exit" letter to our beloved & talented fellow writers? Like you, I will be staying, in a manner of speaking, since I have no intention of taking down my site & I do intend to visit on occasion. I don't wish to leave altogether. Frankly, I would miss my friends terribly.

      However, I realize as you do, that with my presence and participation slowing down, I must accept the fact that the usual interaction I'm accustomed to, will also slow down.

      My reasons for this decision are a bit different than yours. I won't get into all that at this point. I'll offer my explanations within the article I publish before this year of 2017 ends. I have six & a half years under my HP belt and a huge boatload of people I admire, respect and know will live in my heart always. These past few years for me have been irreplaceable.

      You certainly are one hell of a stellar writer Cam and I'm thrilled to know you've found a special place to continue to share your amazing talent.

      I wish you much luck and success and may your dreams come true..........Peace, Paula

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      Doris James MizBejabbers 

      3 years ago from Beautiful South

      Very nice article explaining some HP moves that I've wondered about but not had time to explore. I've enjoyed your flash fiction and I think that you are probably the best FF writer on HP. You are very lucky to have such a supportive writers group in your state. Here on HP we get mostly hurrahs whether or not we deserve it, or we get unwanted critiques from people who don't understand our genres. Sometimes HP computers are no help. I recently received a warning for "self promotion" when I published in a comment an anecdote that happened nearly 40 years ago when I was in another career. I deleted it rather than argue with them, and that's discouraging. So anyway, I'm glad you're not leaving.

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      Chris Mills 

      3 years ago from Traverse City, MI

      Venkatachari M, It is always a pleasure to run into you here. Thanks for your comments. I'm sure we will continue to see each other here on HP. Have a great day.

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      Venkatachari M 

      3 years ago from Hyderabad, India

      An interesting recap of your 5-year life at HubPages. I am glad to be with you since the last 2 to 3 years enjoying your stories and other posts. I also reduced my time on HubPages. Only active at Forum posts and Q&As. Now and then reading hubs and posting comments. Thanks for sharing your experience here.

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      Chris Mills 

      3 years ago from Traverse City, MI

      Eric, I have to dig out that story you are talking about. It is my Halloween hub every year. It entails a visitor to a mountain hot springs, a gnome and a wolf. That was one of my first stories, although I've rewritten it a couple of times. Thanks for being here today.

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      Chris Mills 

      3 years ago from Traverse City, MI

      Nell, Thank you. I hope we are all still here when we are writing hubs in the nursing home. We have a lot to be thankful for here on HubPages.

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      Chris Mills 

      3 years ago from Traverse City, MI

      Sally, congratulations on five years on HP in advance. This really is an amazing place. I'm hoping for a bright future for the site. Thanks for reading my hub today.

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      Eric Dierker 

      3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Well shucks Chris this was a nice recap of what I have gone through with you this last five years. One of my old time favs was something about an horrendous gnome I think. I think around a campfire. Memory eludes me.

      I have written a few short stories here and it would seem that you were the impetus. Perhaps I should have let you know that you are an inspiration. Thank you.

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      Nell Rose 

      3 years ago from England

      Congrats on all these years on hubpages! And yes I know what you mean, I have been a bit neglectful too on here. But like you I don't think I would have had the confidence to write without all the amazing feedback, so here's to many more years!

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 

      3 years ago from Norfolk

      cam8510 My five year anniversary is beckoning just as yours has just past. It has been amazing five years and I have 'met' so many supportive people here including you. It is so good to hear that you are here to stay for the duration. I agree, HubPages staff has done an amazing job over the years in spite of very many setbacks. Long may they continue.


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