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Updated on February 5, 2014

Next they will ban photos of foreign food product because it is offensive to eat unamerican food.

This stuff to me is just creepy. And it scares me to death. Because I have lived under communism and socialism where free speech meant free ignorance.
This stuff to me is just creepy. And it scares me to death. Because I have lived under communism and socialism where free speech meant free ignorance. | Source

Forums are to express opinions that is what they are for. And if we leave them that way they will drive traffic.

Some folks just do not get life at all. They want to go to a boxing match and ban bleeding. They want to go to a honky tonk and ban raucous music, dirty dancing, liquor and fights. Some folks want to ban concussions in a sport where you intentionally run into each other at full speed. (pro football)

Some folks want to ban e-cigarettes because it looks bad. Some folks wanted to ban mixed marriages in a church I attended. Some folks want to ban all guns. Some folks want to move next to a chicken farm and ban chickens.

And here is a fun one: Some folks want to ban heated arguments in online forums. Really I am not kidding at all.

Can you imagine someone going on to a forum about religion or politics and demanding that discussions meet church social standards. So far all they do is gather as a group and get people who should be there banned because of strict adherence to standards of speech (which is totally unconstitutional because the Internet is public domain no matter who owns the site)


That is my country and it will remain a place of free speech.

I will not sit quietly while Mr. Horowitz complains bitterly about the content of speech causing a burning of the books he reads. Internet censoring just does not have the smoke and flame.
I will not sit quietly while Mr. Horowitz complains bitterly about the content of speech causing a burning of the books he reads. Internet censoring just does not have the smoke and flame. | Source

So the world beats on to those who stand for a difference and those who want conformity to their standards.

Take my word for it Google loves forums that are heated. Some writers go there to engage in order to drive traffic elsewhere based on outlandish statements or outlandish proof and most normally because of outlandish truths. Come on now the major media does not report two 50 year old's kissing the report car wrecks. You do not slow down on the freeway to look at a beautiful tree in the sunset, you slow and look at police and fire emergency lights. Get over it. Drama sells and sells big.

Christians do not strike out, but when they do it is news. Atheists need a new gig to make there arguments more sexy and if you cannot grab an audience writing in ten seconds you have lost them.

So who came up with this "advice":


Forum Etiquette

Let's Keep the HubPages Forums Fun and Friendly

In our recent Feedback Survey, some Hubbers mentioned feeling unwelcome and put off by the atmosphere of our Forums. We want the Forums to be a place where everyone feels welcome. We have such an amazing, helpful, supportive, and knowledgeable Community, and we want to facilitate open, friendly communication in a way that benefits everyone. With that in mind, I'd like to share a few tips on Forum etiquette that can help promote a positive environment:

  1. Kindness is king. Let the principle of kindness guide your words and you'll rarely go wrong. Remember that we're all Hubbers, and we're on the same team.
  2. Be positive. Criticism and honest feedback are great ways to help others improve, but don't focus on another Hubber's faults or be unnecessarily harsh.
  3. Disagree with respect. Naturally, there will be differences of opinion in the Forums. Keep your disagreements civil and on topic.

Follow the Forum Rules. Respecting the Forum Dos and Don'ts helps keep things running smoothly.

I go to church for that stuff I do not go to forums. Give it a rest. They even have place for "questions" which can be cute and recipe oriented and whatever. But I have been on the internet a lot longer and based on current financial and physical health will be here longer than HP. Knock it off with this ridiculous facade and appeasement of those who cannot tolerate real society.

Do you go to HP forums for "etiquette"?

If you do not like the forums do you just stay away

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    • wrenchBiscuit profile image

      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 3 years ago

      Good one! I wasn't aware of this.

      We are living in the age of the Stepford Wives,with a good dose of Ozzie and Harriet thrown in for good measure.Somebody just hit me in the head five times with a ball-peen hammer, but I'm gonna keep a positive attitude and politely ask them why. It's a no brainer for me.I'll be using the forums somewhere else from now on,there are plenty of options.Now I won't have to worry about it.Problem solved.

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      We are not called to leave and look elsewhere. We are writers and we stay until the battle has been lost. And we ain't lost no battle here yet.

      It is wonderful for us to get wrapped up in recipes and DIY and How to's but it is glorious to get wrapped up in the freedom of others to express themselves.

      I am in the top 1% of the worlds educated class I have mutliple degrees and a doctorate and another on the way. That does not give me a free pass to move on and ignore. Like you wrench it gives me an obligation for the freedom of the other 99%. Freedom of thought and speech are the only things that truly matter to freedom of life.

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      Ronnie wrenchBiscuit 3 years ago

      You're right.It's just frustrating as hell. (can I use that word?) There are millions who won't live to see their 21st birthday.They will live and die in the poverty and the misery in which they were born.Keeping this in mind,how could anyone who actually has a "life", get so bent about Forum etiquette on Hubpages? Maybe, this is their "whole" life. If so,then perhaps I understand.

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      John Hansen 3 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Forums are meant to be vehicles to encourage ideas and free speech, and healthy debate, are they not. If you notice a forum getting heated or it offends you, you are just one click away from leaving it and ignoring it entirely. Anyone who stays and participates is doing so from their own free will. It's like people who watch a movie all the way through or read a whole book and then complain there was too much gratuitous sex or violence......are they chained and gagged in front of the tv or book and forced to watch or read...I think not. Case closed.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Here's the thing, Eric: I'm fully aware that forums can get heated so I choose to stay away from them. I assume other adults are capable of making that same decision. If they don't like debate then just don't go there....how difficult is that????

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Wrench my friend I was not born to see unnecessary fences built between me and others. We would do a roundup and swap cattle back and forth based on brands. But we would never treat a calf poorly because he had another brand.

      This world is becoming like a woman with binoculars that forgets it is not hers to judge what she does not even know with her naked eye.

      But one time I shot at 100 yards through the opening of a beer can and out the other side without moving the can.

      These censors need to be stopped at that range without disturbing their nest. Perhaps they will focus on me and let others be free. I think our patriots did the same around 1775.

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Res Ipsa Loquitor. which i love to say, The thing speaks for itself.

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Bill, I do not get it. It is like an no-brainer. Lately I like posting my concerns here, after 200 + followers it is actually cool but much mellower which my gardener says is good for me.

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      dragonflycolor 3 years ago

      i don't do the forums at all. i think it defeats the purpose of producing hubs or even getting simple answers to the questions we ask in the Answer section. it gets really heated in there and i don't want to add that to my day. thanks, eric!

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      dragonflycolor, I think that you may be correct in your decision on that staying away. Thanks for that input.

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      Devika Primić 3 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      I don't take part in conversations in the forum it is not something I could cope with.

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      Eiddwen 3 years ago from Wales

      It is my choice to stay away from forums ;they are too time consuming and I do not have enough hours in my day.

      Leaves much food for thought Eric.

      Eddy.

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I am glad I wrote this and did not take it down. Because I am learning most folk feel this way DDE. I think that makes sense. Thank you for commenting.

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      For sure it is time consuming. And I think you are right Eddy, probably not time that should be a priority.

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      Brian Leekley 3 years ago from Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA

      So far I have only gone to the HubPages forums to ask for advice on improving my hubs. Those who reply have been kind and helpful. There have been incidents of some hubber making pointless snide remarks about another hubber's replies to my question. I ignore those immature pests.

      As for forums for opinions on whatever, I agree that heated exchanges should not be banned, for the reasons you give, but I do advise against indulging in them. My experience, such as in letters to the editor, has been that facts and sound reasoning delivered with kind respect and usually with an acknowledgement of something right on the opposing side gains more converts and softening of positions than does name calling, sarcasm, and such. Sort of like aikido rhetoric.

      When I tried it, your Forum Rules link went to a That Page Doesn't Exist error message.

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      eppie 3 years ago

      I am reading this and inadvertently listening to a fight anthem, type of song. Its susan boyle. Most have not the intelligence to realize that I dreamed a dream is a fight song, anyway. I think you are paving ways here, keep it up.

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you Brian. You certainly walk the talk with your writing. I appreciate your opinions very much.

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      Eric Dierker 3 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      eppie we must constantly fight for freedom of expression and test those outer limits lest the shrink without our desire. Thank you friend.

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      Patricia Scott 2 years ago from sunny Florida

      Eric If everyone would learn to do these three little points, the world in general would be a much better place.

      thank you for sharing.

      Angels are on the way to you this afternoon ps

      Voted up++++ and shared

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      Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

      I have not been in the forums for years. I get enough threats in my Questions and Answers and on "OTHER" people's hub comments. I have a stalker tell me how bad I am on here and on my Questions and on my blogs. That is way too much for me. HP staff do not know the difference between a bully and constructive criticism. They do not know how to read things in context. They blame the vistim not the bully and then the threats come on. My cup runneth over with all this c..r...a...p.

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      Peggy Woods 2 years ago from Houston, Texas

      The only way I usually use the forums is to report a glitch or ask a question and most of the time the answers have been very helpful. I do believe in freedom of speech but also enjoy reading things that are well written and courteous. If not...it is easy to click away and go elsewhere.

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      Eric Dierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you Patricia for the visit and comment and mainly for the angels, they are loved and adored around here..

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      Eric Dierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Debra there seems to be an insider concept. If you are in then much is acceptable, if out, almost nothing is acceptable. And of course that is a real danger of censorship of any sort.

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      Eric Dierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Peggy I think your use of them is about what they are good for in a productive fashion.

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      The old saying the proof is in the pudding.

      Many times I reread comments and discussion. And there are good posted subjects and people come along and attack the subject or comments. HP knows the trouble makers, and usually they are repeated problems.

      There are some great people here , educated as well, but the old saying if you have to flaunt it you really do not have it.

      My purpose in forum's is listen and support the truth of the subject, even if that means supplying the truth when it is not present.

      But always remembering the truth is not always welcome , but it must be spoken.

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      Eric Dierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Thank you for your insight and letting us know how you handle the forums. Truly there is much information and food for thought that comes out of them.

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      truthfornow 2 years ago from New Orleans, LA

      If they wanted more traffic to this site, they would let the discussion fly. Controversy = readers. LOL. I think most people can decide if they want to read something or not.

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      Eric Dierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I surely do know that if I do not want to read something I don't. Maybe some folks just can't help looking at things that offend them. What a waste of life.

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      Some people read to find fault and criticize the comment .many times it is not about you personally because they only know what you allow another to see on hp, but this does give some thoughts to who do you really critize. . If a employer tells his supervisors to inform the employees of some new changes, and they have a meeting to deliver this information , do the employees say why should I believe you. where is the boss , why can he tell me in person, what proof do I have he said these words, I will not believe that he used you as a spokesman, I will not comply with the written document.

      I will do the job the way I feel is right to me,

      well in comparison this is exactly the case.

      We all have a life, but the the thought that we

      can do and act with no one to answer to is incorrect, we have never been alone on this earth. Even Adam and Eve had choices. They used it wrong. The point also God could have set and Angel in front of the tree to make sure they would not touch it, or just kept the tree in heaven,

      But that was not his purpose, I give you everything, the sun the moon the stars, the animals and plants, then I say for my bond between me and you I have something that only belongs to me. Please do not touch it.

      Then you discover they betrayed you by listening to another creation like them self that says take it., they are lying to you. You will not die. Adam and Eve are dead for eternity.

      We do not have to live there sentence.

      We can and many will live in paradise.

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      Eric Dierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Kiss&Tales that is a very interesting take on this subject, thank you for your contribution. It certainly gives one food for thought.

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      Kiss andTales 2 years ago

      Thank you Ericdierker you are most appreciated for your positive thinking with reply. your subject was an important issue.

      I thank you for allowing me to voice on the subject.

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