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Common Mistakes Made by New Hubbers

Updated on August 16, 2013

When people first join Hubpages I have noticed they often make a lot of very common mistakes. I decided to compile a list of these in order to guide newbie hubbers so that they can avoid making the same mistakes when they are starting out. In the process I would like to clear up some misconceptions that a few pick up early on as to how to be successful here on Hubpages, and what they believe they should be aiming to achieve.

In order make these errors easier to follow I shall list them one by one. Some of you will immediately recognise mistakes or even rule breaches you are guilty of, but this information should help you to be able to make changes, and hopefully you will pass on this hub to other newbies as a guide to how they should start out their new hubpage writing hobby or career without inadvertently alienating other hubbers or finding their own hubs unpublished or flagged.

1) Going on a 'following' spree. This is one of the most common mistakes a new hubber tends to make. Naturally they start their time on Hubpages with zero followers, and it goes without saying they want to accumulate some followers quickly as they believe their hubs aren't being read otherwise. In fact the other misconception is that they think they need lots of followers in order to be successful and make money. The newbie hubber often wants to dramatically speed up the whole rate it would normally take to get genuine followers of their writing, so what do they do? Well, they go on a 'following' spree, in other words they spend a lengthy period of time simply following hubber after hubber themselves, maybe by checking out the main hubber list, and then following one after another until they get bored or run out of time. They mistakenly believe that this will result in a large chunk of these hubbers automatically reciprocating and 'following' them back. The reality is that most experienced hubbers will check out the new hubber's profile, see that he or she has just 'followed' a large group of hubbers all at once, realise that the new hubber probably hasn't read a single word they have ever written and they will quickly click the back button to return to what they were doing before they checked out their latest follower. One thing they are very unlikely to do is 'follow' their new 'follower' back.

2) 'Following' other hubbers before writing any hubs themselves'. There are occasions when new hubbers read some hubs written by others which they genuinely enjoy, at which point they opt to 'follow' the author. This is great, but if they haven't yet published any hubs of their own they are unlikely to find the hubber they have 'followed' will choose to 'follow' them back. The problem here is that the author of the hub may well check out the newbie hubber's profile to see if they might be interested in 'following' their writing too. It is impossible for them to determine if they like the new hubber enough to 'follow' them back if that hubber hasn't yet published any hubs of their own, so no doubt they too will hit the 'back' button and quickly forget they have a new follower. This mistake is also made in the case of #1, only difference being they not only 'follow' multiple hubbers randomly, but they also fail to have published any hubs of their own prior to doing so.

It is nice to have followers of your work of course, but the above two mistakes are not how you should try to accumulate them. Far better to interact on the forums, write good quality work, read other hubber's hubs and comment on them if you like them, even 'follow' the hubpages author if you like their work enough. The hubbers who choose to 'follow' you after this will be genuine fans of your writing, they will comment on your hubs and recommend you to other hubbers. In other words they will be 'quality followers' and this better than 'quantity' every time.

Remember, there is only a minimal benefit to having loads of 'followers' as hubbers rarely click on the adverts that make you your income. What you want is viewings from outside of Hubpages, as these readers are the ones who are actively looking for the topics you have written about, therefore they are already a potential 'clicker' for one of your adverts.

3) Posting links to their own hubs in the comments box on other people's hubs. This is a definite no no, as not only is it considered very rude, but it is also against Hubpages rules. Unfortunately many new hubbers fail to read the rules properly, and equally they ignore the wording below each comments box which states clearly that "Comments are not for promoting your Hubs or other sites". Sometimes they misunderstand when they read Hubpage articles that state that this is a good way to gain viewings because of the 'link' in their comment. These articles are usually referring to the fact that the authors name will appear above the comment, and this name will in itself be hyperlinked back to their profile page. They are not suggesting the commenter adds a further link to one of their own hubs as well.

In certain instances if you believe your hub topic to be relevant to the hub you are reading, you might choose to contact the author of the hub and ask if they would mind you adding a link to yours in a comment, or if they would mind adding your hubs link within their hub. This is polite and will not cause the offence posting your link without asking will. Another way is to mention within your comment that you wrote a hub all about 'xyz' too, and then leave it up to the readers to decide if they want to track it down and read it for themselves.

A forum thread on the whole issue of hubbers linking to their own hubs on other people's can be found here, and you might be surprised at how strongly feelings run on this subject. I list a couple of my favourite quotes from this forum thread below:

Shadesbreath said "Bottom line is, don't be linking crap on people's hubs. NOBODY likes a salesman, especially one that barges in without even knocking on the door."

Having heard of a rather abrupt response I got from a new hubber when I emailed him to nicely point out why he shouldn't have done this on my hubs, (the response included him saying it was the hubbers own responsibility to approve or deny comments on their hubs and that he had followed the rules to a 'T'):

Spryte then said .."it would be like me taking a crap in your yard and telling you that if you don't want it there it's your responsibility to pick it up and dispose of it."

and lastly

Mighty Mom said "I fear the person who wrote that to you is misinterpreting the HP suggestions to promote your hubs.
The comments section of someone else's hub is part of THEIR hub. It is to leave a relevant comment, generally in support of the person's hub -- but certainly can be use to correct something you(the commenter) know know to be inaccurate, to expand upon a point made in the hub, or even to state that you disagree.
It is the prerogative of the owner of the hub to accept or deny your comment.
It is NOT acceptable to go around commenting on other people's hubs with links to your own hubs, ESPECIALLY if the links are to hubs unrelated to the topic.
If you wish to link your hub to someone else's, you can
a) use the "Suggest Links" feature (which may or may not pull up that person's hub as a possible link)
b) Ask the hubber to put a link capsule linking to your hub in their hub (and reciprocate, of course)."

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To determine the exact stance Hubpages took on such matters I contacted them myself, and the response I got confirmed what I already suspected. They said:

"You have not misunderstood the rules. It is indeed against the rules to post a link to your own Hub in the Comments section of another person's Hub, unless the link is crucial to understanding said comment."

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4) 'Following' a hubber and then leaving fan mail asking the hubber to 'follow' them too. Most hubbers are rather irritated by receiving fan mail that simply says something like "I am following you, now follow me too" or "Great Hubs, now read mine". This not only wreaks of desperation, but it comes across as a demand, as well as making it blatantly obvious that all they are trying to achieve is a large fan/follower base. They are probably cutting and pasting the same comment into loads of fanmail boxes, and it is unlikely to result in the hubber gaining new followers who go along with the demand/request. Fan mail should be far more relevant and not expect an automatic 'follower' in return.

5) Publishing hubs that are full of spelling and grammatical errors. This happens far too often and it is not doing the new hubber any favours at all. Their writing will never be taken seriously, or be respected if the author can't even spell check what they have written before hitting the publish button. They are unlikely to gain followers, or make an income if no-one stays on their hub long enough to click on adverts or to even finish reading it. The new hubber should spend time not only checking their spelling and proof reading their hub before publishing it, but if necessary getting a trusted friend to proofread it too and point out any errors they have missed themselves.

6) Using 'text speak' in hubs. Usually this happens when a new hubber signs up who is actually under age to join the site (18 being the age limit). Occasionally it will also happen with a new hubber who is over 18 joins up though. Apart from being incredibly annoying to read, it looks tacky and unprofessional and has much the same problems as mistake #5. Text speak might consist of words used such as 'coz' instead of because, 'soz' instead of sorry, 'y r u' instead of why are you and 'wot' instead of what. The result will probably be that the hub is flagged as substandard, and Hubpages may even unpublish it until it has been revised to a good standard.

7) Writing their hub as one huge paragraph or in one text capsule. Often a new hubber will make the mistake of writing what might be a very good hub, but because they don't break it down into paragraphs and text capsules it puts the reader off and they don't read the entire article. To keep the reader interested it is important to break the hubpage article up into 'bite size' pieces. Make the paragraphs a readable length, then put a space between that and the following paragraph. Use plenty of text capsules to break the article into sections, and then insert video's, Amazon advert capsules and images that are relevant to the topic. Doing this will make the hub easier on the eye on not seem like such a daunting read. It will also ensure Adsense can get all of their adverts into the locations they like to use.

8) Filling Hubs with pictures only. You only have to spend a few minutes going through the published hubs here on Hubpages before you start to come across the 'picture only' hubs. These consist largely of multiple pictures of famous people, often Indian actresses. The trouble with these hubs is the lack of text. They are lazy hubs, usually just photos copied from the Internet and pasted into a hub. It is hard to gain any kind of popularity or following when the best you can do is paste photos on to a page, plus, without text how can Google single out that Hub from all the other Internet articles about the same people that do include text and useful information, never mind putting it anywhere in a search result where it is going to get loads of traffic?

9) Asking questions on forums that have already been answered multiple times in hubs or in the learning centre. Don't get me wrong, hubbers don't mind answering questions, that is why there is the Hubpages Help Forum. The problem is that it does become rather frustrating to keep seeing the same questions asked again and again when the answers are already there for the newbie hubber to find. Avoid any slightly sharp answers from the respondents to such questions by checking out the learning centre first, or just do a 'search' of the site using the 'search' box and entering a relevant question. This simple search should direct the new hubber to hubs, forums etc where the question has already been asked or covered previously.

10) Not responding to comments made on their own hubs. It may not sound like much, but if a hubber has been nice enough to leave a genuine comment on another hubber's hub, then it is only polite to respond to that comment on the hub in question. There is a good chance the original commenter will check back to see if their comment has received an answer from the author of the hub, and they might just feel a little bit taken for granted if the author has simply ignored their comment without so much as a thank you.

11) Leaving meaningless comments like 'nice hub'. The reason this is a mistake is because it really says very little, and a cynical Hubpage author might view this comment as simply a way for the commenter to get themselves noticed by other hubbers, plus having the advantage of their profile now being hyperlinked in a new location, i.e. within their name above their post. This type of comment produces mixed reactions from hubbers. Some say any comment is better than no comment at all, but others will say they would rather have a comment that actually shows the person who made it actually read the hub. My advice is only to say something that contributes or is relevant in some way to the hub in question.

12) Publishing hubs that are barely written in English. One of the rules of Hubpages is that Hubs must be written in English. Sadly some new Hubbers don't have English as their native language, and whilst to some degree this can be overcome by spell check, the problems start when their command of English is so limited they rely heavily on language translation programmes. Frequently these programs are not particularly accurate, especially if they are the free online ones such as Babelfish. The hubs end up coming out as complete nonsense, and the new hubber wonders why their hubs get little traffic, make no money or get flagged for being substandard. The best advice is to get a friend who is more fluent in English to check the article over prior to publishing it, either that or they shouldn't join Hubpages until their English has reached a more advanced level.

13) Expecting immediate income from their hubs. Many new hubbers are surprised when after several months they still haven't made any significant money from their hubs. This frequently comes up on the forums, and the newbie hubbers seem to expect to see the cash rolling in when they have only published four or five hubs a matter of weeks earlier, often all on the same kind of topics, and when they themselves have only been Hubpage members for a very short space of time. The new hubber needs to realise that it is a mistake to expect too much too soon. If they write lots of similar hubs on the same topic they are not spreading the net wide enough to bring in new readers, and the odds are the same niche of people interested in that one topic might read all of their hubs, but that is only a very tiny percentage of the potential reading (and clicking) population as a whole. Write on all different topics and attract a wider audience, this is what will maximise the chances of a good income. It takes several years for a hub to reach its optimum earning potential, so to expect it to make lots of money in a matter of weeks in at best unrealistic. This is a waiting game, but the income figures will creep up as the hubs rise higher in the various search engines.

14) Copying articles from other sites. A new hubber may make the serious mistake of copying articles or large parts of them from other websites and then publishing them on Hubpages as their own work, (which in some cases it is if they previously published the article elsewhere, but in other instances it is stolen from another author or site). Either way this will soon be picked up on by Hubpages who will flag the hub as 'duplicate content'. The score of that hub and the hubber will both be affected, yet frequently the new hubber will go on to the forums and adamantly deny they copied it at all. The fact is that if a large portion or all of the article is written elsewhere on the Internet, even if it was your own work originally, it will quickly be discovered by the Hubpages software regardless of whose work it was originally. My advice to new hubbers would be to say, before you start spitting feathers and getting irate that your hub has been labelled as a duplicate, think about it carefully. If you already wrote the content yourself, but published it elsewhere prior to Hubpages, then it is a duplicate, and its effectiveness has been diluted as it appears in more than one location. This means the duplicate label is correct, likewise If you know you did pinch it from someone else, then quietly delete it and don't make the same mistake again.


15) Treating Hubpages as purely a means to drive traffic to their own website. I have seen new hubbers get quite upset when their hubs are flagged as 'overly promotional'. This usually arises because they are treating Hubpages as purely a means of driving traffic back to their own commercial websites, and what they fail to realise is that by linking to the same commercial website more than twice on one hub, or linking to it many times across their various hubs, they are breaking the Hubpages terms and conditions. Hubpages offer a publishing medium for free, it it only fair that they make a profit to make this worthwhile. We cannot blame them for not allowing us to join the site simply in order to spend our time trying to take traffic away from it. It is also worth bearing in mind that linking more than twice to affiliate sites such as Clickbank will also result in the hub being flagged as overly promotional.

I hope this hub will prove beneficial to many new hubbers and that it will help them to avoid making these mistakes themselves. If I have missed any relevant mistakes or rule breaches from the list I am sure some of my fellow hubbers will quickly add them in the comments section below.


Another excellent hub I recommend for new hubbers can be found here: http://hubpages.com/hub/advise-for-new-writers

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      Cindy Lawson 2 weeks ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      You are welcome June

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      June Liandra 2 weeks ago from State of Wyoming

      woah, i need to follow these guide, thanks!

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      Cindy Lawson 2 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Pleased to be of help Michelle.

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      Michelle Segrest 2 years ago from Birmingham, Alabama, USA

      This article is insightful and helpful! I'm still trying to figure this whole hub thing out, so your advice is very much appreciated!

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      Cindy Lawson 2 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      I am sure Besarien that this will not be seen as padding out your comments. It is just nice for people to know you appreciate the fact they made a comment at all. I try to answer all of mine wherever possible as it also shows that I am still active on the site and that the hub in question is not abandoned or out of date. Glad you found this hub useful

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      Besarien 2 years ago

      Oh no! I did not realize I was supposed to answer every comment. I have been answering direct questions only. I was a little worried it would look like I was trying to pad my own comments with more comments! I would hate to offend anyone and will go back and answer my comments now. Better late than never, I hope. Thanks for sharing the benefits of your experience here on HP. Voted way up!

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      Cindy Lawson 2 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Pleased you found this helpful Lovely C.

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      Lovely C 2 years ago

      this is very helpful..thanks to you..I am a newbie and just started hubbing yesterday....this article is definitely a big help to me and other newbies.

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      James Richmond 2 years ago from Kent, Washington

      I just started "Hubbing" two days ago and I ran into the problem of making my first hub more of a blog post. I started blogging last year, and I just got stuck in that mindset when I came to Hubpages. However I quickly realized that my hubs lacked the quality test, and thanks to another Huber I've been put on the right path. My second hub I wrote more of an analysis, so its more in-depth then my introductory post. Regardless, I would appreciate it if you have the time to review my work and comment what's good and bad. That way I can improve them, plus implement the feedback for future hubs.

      Cheers,

      James

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      Cindy Lawson 2 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      You are welcome Rangoon

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      AJ 2 years ago from Australia

      Thank you for sharing your knowledge and advice. Anybody genuinely interested in Hubpages and their own writing can't get enough tips.

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      Cindy Lawson 2 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      You are very welcome kristinekaren, so glad to be of help

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      kristinekaren 2 years ago from Philippines

      Wow!Thank you very much,your hub is very helpful.I'm a newbie and this is a very good guide I will surely follow.God bless!!!

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      Cindy Lawson 2 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Hi Lauren, most of my images come from the Creative Commons search tool, although others came from Morguefile. Can't recall exactly which this one came from as I wrote the hub several years back now (at least). I highly recommend the Creative Commons search tool for finding good quality images you can use under license free of charge. It allows options such as searching Flickr, Google images etc for images that are free to use. On this image I don't appear to have used the relevant attribution for some reason, but normally I do under the images I show in my hubs and recommend others to do the same.

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      t aaron brown 2 years ago

      This is a good list. It can't get too long or people become inundated. I would also add the common image copyright violations. For example, the image you display would only be legal if you made it or paid for it. I assume you paid for the rights.

      A new hubber will look at the image and often get the wrong idea, since there is no credit or license type listed (CC 2.0, 3.0, etc.). Creative Commons is a means for free use of an image that comes with citation obligations. If a hubber doesn't pay for a copyright privilege, they will need to learn the CC procedure.

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Thank you Cruncher, glad you found this useful and glad you understand how links in comments can be considered suspicious or even rude :)

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      Cruncher 3 years ago from UK

      A very helpful hub indeed. I will certainly refer any new hubbers to it!

      On the question of links to hubs in comments, I'll be honest, I have done it. I like to think it was only when it was relevant to the conversation - because I had written a hub on a relevant topic, but I can understand how it could come across as presumptuous or even abusive. I'll certainly be more careful about it in future!

      I personally wouldn't object to people posting links to their hubs in comments on mine so long as it was a useful and relevant comment but I think I would judge the comment more harshly if it did have a link in it, as the suspicion is always there.

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Glad to be of help Vicky :)

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      Nuien Wainwright-Harrower 3 years ago from Malaysia

      I'm so happy to come across your hub, very long but everything you wrote, I couldn't agree more. Being new in Hubpages I do need to know all of these so thank you so much for your advises.

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Thanks KimberlyLake, happy you liked this hub :)

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      Kimberly Lake 3 years ago from California

      This is excellent advice. I wish I had seen a hub like this when I first joined Hubpages. I have gone back to some of my earliest hubs and started fixing them recently. Vote up and useful pinned too. Thanks!

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Glad you enjoyed this, thanks for commenting.

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      skye2day 3 years ago from Rocky Mountains

      misty, well sister another fantastic hub of love. Although this was written over 3 years ago much is still the same. Etiquette is etiquette get a grip, Amen. Much has changed but new hub awareness is so valuable. I can only wish I had read your hub before I started many years ago. I would have spared myself many errors and time. Like long paragraphs. I was notorious for that. Seems to me hubs does not accept hubs like that any longer. They upped the annie.

      Thank you for the read I enjoyed it. God Bless you mistyhorizon.

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Lol, I couldn't agree more :)

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      Lisa RenĂ© LeClair 3 years ago from the ATL

      It is pretty funny when you think about it. I keep seeing their tiny head pop up, then disappear, then pop up again..., etc. Cracks me up every time. They're usually people who just want followers, but all they do is talk about how many people just unfollowed them. It's hysterical. What's the point in having a bunch of "followers" if you haven't got anything to say? It's high school for Narcissists. ;-)

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Glad you found this useful sassypiehole. Lol re-your Twitter experience though :)

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      Lisa RenĂ© LeClair 3 years ago from the ATL

      I was a little guilty of #7 on my 1st one, but now that I'm 4 deep, I think I've learned my lesson! I know a few bipolar twitter folks who could really benefit from #1 though. One lady has followed/unfollowed me 14 times in the last three weeks. Poor thing, I bet she has 15 cats.

      Great info, it should go an auto respond whenever someone joins! ;-)

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      No worries, I do hit payout 3-4 times over each month right now, but it did used to be far more until Google started to drop Hubpage articles in the SERPs.

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      ShyeAnne 3 years ago from Deep Bay, British Columbia, Canada

      Excellent to know you are making a monthly three figure sum. It is inspiration for me to realise that it is possible. I am in the double digits and just two payouts in 2 years so far. I will be looking at your hubs for ideas on how to improve mine.

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      Cindy Lawson 3 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Thank you ShyeAnne, glad you liked the info in this Hub and I appreciate the 'up' vote. I still earn a 3 figure sum every month here even though I haven't written here in a while. There may be a point in the future I begin writing here again once I see that the site traffic has stabilised and the rules stop changing so frequently.

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      ShyeAnne 3 years ago from Deep Bay, British Columbia, Canada

      It is fun to make a few bucks as a result of writing on hubpages. I never had any expectation of loot, more a curiosity on how it all works, but I was pleasantly surprised to get notifications twice now that a modest sum was deposited in paypal for me from Hubpages ads. Lots of relevant information for new hubbers here and I have to say, I slipped in a few of those puddles myself in the beginning ! Voted up.

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      Cindy Lawson 4 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      You are very welcome :)

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      LaurieNunley517 4 years ago from Deep South

      Thank you!

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      Cindy Lawson 4 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Don't worry Laurie, I am sure you will soon get into the routine here, oh and by the way, it is okay to 'follow' people whose work you have read and genuinely like, but what often happens is people follow a number of hubbers in the space of minutes, proving they have clearly not read their work at all. Good Luck :)

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      LaurieNunley517 4 years ago from Deep South

      Gaffs... several in fact. I'm new and I have been on a following streak for about a week now, but with no "follow me back" ulterior motives. I follow because they are good Hubs and I want to go back and read the other Hubs they have written. I honestly didn't know it would be seen in a negative way and certainly don't know about any of the score rankings and all the tech stuff. This is all new to me. I wish I had read this first. Thanks for sharing this good information...I'll try to do better!

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      Cindy Lawson 4 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      So pleased this helped you ladydeonne, I am sure you will do well on HP now you know the things to avoid doing :)

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      Deonne Anderson 4 years ago from Florence, SC

      I am guilty of #7. I am new to HP and have only published (10) articles. I used only one text capsule for all ten. I will now go back and add more capsules Your hub is so "right on" and to the point. I can't wait to read more! Thanks millions!

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      Deonne Anderson 4 years ago from Florence, SC

      Misty,

      This hub is a must read for new hubbers. It is straight forward and to the point No frills or cover ups As a new hubber I am guilty of #7. I have written all of my hubs (10) in one text capsule. From now on I will use several as you suggest. Thank you so much!

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      Cindy Lawson 4 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Glad this was helpful for you Cerebral Aspect. Welcome to Hubpages :)

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      Cerebral Aspect 4 years ago from Westland, MI

      I'm a relatively new hubber, one month now. I'm very glad I clicked on this article. I thought that maybe I read all the tips successful hubbers had to offer, but I was mistaken, thank you for the advice.

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      Cindy Lawson 4 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Thanks LongTimeMother, really please you are not guilty of these mistakes :)

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      LongTimeMother 4 years ago from Australia

      I came for a checkup, mistyhorizon2003. Made my way down your list and, breathing a sigh of relief, am now ready to get back to more hubbing.

      Voted up +. Packed with good advice for new hubbers.

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      Cindy Lawson 4 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Thank you for the lovely comment Graham, it is very much appreciated and I am very happy that you found this hub so helpful and easy to understand.

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      Graham Lee 4 years ago from Lancashire. England.

      Hi mistyhorizon2003. Congratulations on such a well thought out and informative hub. It is so much easier to understand than many hubs on the subject that I have read in the past. It is refreshing to find someone who gives such valuable advice so freely. Thank you.

      Voted up and all and following.

      Graham.

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      Cindy Lawson 4 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      I am really pleased this helped prevent you making such a huge mistake Tayshia. I have seen Hubbers have their author scores drop to zero through doing this mass following, and whilst scores on HP really don't matter in general you still need to keep your author score above 75 if you don't want HP to mark your outgoing links as 'no follow'.

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      Tayshia 4 years ago

      Hi Misty! Thank you, I found this very useful. And, saved me from being a 'following offender', in that I was going to spend a lot of time building my base by doing just that. Your blueprint has confirmed what I had already thought, it's about the writing - everything else will fall into place. Thanks again!

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      Cindy Lawson 4 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      No Index means that if Google crawl your hub they will see the 'No Index' tag (that HP put on non-featured hubs) and will not show them in search engine results (meaning no traffic for you and therefore pretty much no income other than what you get from HP views or your own backlinks). If Google crawl your hubs and see the 'no index' tag they may not come back to crawl your hubs for many weeks, which is why having the 'No Index' tag is such an undesirable thing.

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      tiffanyz 4 years ago from New York City

      Thank you Misty; I reall appreciate your advice. I wanted to ask what does no index mean I have no clue

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      Cindy Lawson 4 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Hi Tiffanyz, Google don't know anything about featured hubs or otherwise. All they know is if they 'crawl' a page they will rate it in search engine results (if it isn't marked as No Index by HP). You need to be far more patient. Even if a hub is featured there are no guarantees as to when Google will next 'crawl' it, so you might need to wait a number of weeks before assuming you are safe to apply for Adsense on the basis a various number of hubs have been marked as 'featured'. I don't think I applied to Adsense until I had been writing here for at least a month or two, and in those days there was no such thing as HP having introduced this ridiculous system where people thing a hub is more valid if it is featured or not (based on how many views it has received which mean nothing for hubs that only appeal to specific narrow niche or are seasonal in nature).

      Basically relax, wait until you have 20 hubs that are of high quality and of 500 words or more, and that have been 'featured' for at least a few weeks in order to avoid Google seeing the 'No Index' tag when they crawl them. Once you can see that this is the case, then you should apply again, but don't rush things, take a deep breath and keep writing until your existing hubs are all visible to Google and you have given Google enough time to judge them properly.

      Right now I think you might be falling into the trap of thinking all this stuff like Hubscores, Author Scores, Featured/non Featured on HP are actually important to Google.

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      tiffanyz 4 years ago from New York City

      Misty-As, I mentioned above, I've written a total of twenty hubs and 13 of them are featured. So, I thought that I would definitely be accepted by Adsense. Was I wrong? I don't like the fact that they reject you but they don't tell you why and what you need to do. So, you're left hanging and chasing this carrot. I am going to do as you suggested and just focus on writing; not sure if I'll reapply again, it is frustrating and I am writing because I really enjoy it.

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      tiffanyz 4 years ago from New York City

      Hi Misty

      I took your advice and I stopped worrying about the hub scores or profile score. I've written 20 hubs so far and went back to a few of them and broke down the content with Paragraphs as you suggested. Prior to reading your Tips, I thought if your hub was featured then it means that Google Adsense would accept your application.

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      Cindy Lawson 4 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Glad you have settled in to HP life now TravelinJack. Lots of people makes mistake number 1 when they start out, it is a shame they can't read a hub like this as part of a 'Welcome' Email so that they find out before it is too late.

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      Jack Baumann 4 years ago from St. Louis, Missouri

      Haha I was definitely guilty of number 1 when I first joined hubpages. I've learned to try and experience hubpages in a more meaningful way.

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      Cindy Lawson 4 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Thanks Tiffanyz, I hope you find this helpful in your early days here on HP :)

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      tiffanyz 4 years ago from New York City

      Excellent hub and very accurate as far what new hubbers and our expectations. Thank you

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      Cindy Lawson 4 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Glad to be of help girishpuri (even if you read this too late to avoid making the mistakes). Good luck here on HP :)

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      Girish puri 4 years ago from NCR , INDIA

      Ha ha ha .. so you know the mistakes i have already done on Hubpages... useful hub. Thanks

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      Cindy Lawson 4 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Thanks for the lovely compliments Kaman, it is always great to know something you have written has been helpful to someone else, and also that they enjoyed reading it of course. Welcome to Hubpages :)

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      Kas 4 years ago from Bartlett, Tennessee

      Very informative hub that kept my attention the entire way through, and that's saying something for someone who's as easily distracted as I am! I'm still a newbie myself and I have been soaking up as many hubs as I can on this particular subject since I arrived. Thank you for making it easy to read and interesting to boot. Voting this bad boy up and useful all the way.

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      Cindy Lawson 4 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Thanks Rachitha, what a lovely comment/compliment to receive :)

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      RACHITHA CABRAL 4 years ago from Mangalore

      Loved your Hubs ! : ) Very very Practical Advice given. Thank you.

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      LOL, thanks ambecreations, glad to be of help, and love your sense of humour :)

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      amvabecreations 5 years ago from Netherlands

      Darn it, there goes my newbie strategy... ;-)

      Really informative, you set a great example for us freshlings and set the bar on hubbing almost out of reach *sigh*. I'll be checking out your advice! Thanks!

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      You are welcome TarekMamdouh, pleased this was of help to you,

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      TarekMamdouh 5 years ago

      thanks for this informative hub, it learned me a lot of things. I think I'll take this into account :)

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Well at least you know not to do them again Yaduvanshi, and can pass on the word to other new hubbers.

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      Yaduvanshi 5 years ago from Bharat Vrse

      A very detailed bring up but I have already committed many of these mistakes.

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      Yaduvanshi 5 years ago from Bharat Vrse

      A very detailed bring up but I have already committed many of these mistakes.

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      You are very welcome BuyaBiz, glad this was helpful to you :)

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      BizVT34 5 years ago from USA

      Uh oh.... I may need to clean up my text speak, particularly in the comments section. Amazing what habits we get into. Thanks for the Hub.

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      You are very welcome Pannonica, I hope you find some useful tips here for things to avoid doing, and if you haven't done them yourself you can pass the tips on to other new hubbers too :)

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      Pannonica 5 years ago

      Misty thank you so much for this great informative hub, it is all thanks to the wonderful hubbers like yourself who provide the help and advice we all need to learn. I started a month ago and still am learning what I should do next. There's a lot to learn - but hopefully we all improve hub by hub. Again many thanks.

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Glad this was helpful laflat7 :)

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      laflat7 5 years ago from localhost

      Thanks this tips are very useful for me. Have just started fixing my mistakes. :-)

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Thanks Dubuquedogtrainer, glad this was helpful to you and cheers for the 'up vote' :)

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      Dubuquedogtrainer 5 years ago from Dubuque, Iowa

      Thanks for the helpful tips! There are some things I knew and some I didn't here, but I always appreciate a good review! Voted up!

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Welcome to Hubpages Marsei, and thanks for the great comment. I am sure you will love it here and do well with the positive attitude you have already shown. Don't worry about the Google indexing, it will come in time, and it might take quite a lot of weeks. Remember articles can take anything up to 3 years to reach their peak potential, so 2-3 weeks is no time at all. Concentrate on writing good quality hubs and the rest will follow naturally :)

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      Sue Pratt 5 years ago from New Orleans

      Thank you so much for this. I have only been doing this for eight days and learned more from this article than from any other source so far. The last thing I want to do is aggravate the community and this gives me some guidelines for not doing that, plus other useful information. I have done eight hubs and still not been indexed by Google, so I have become frustrated but finally read somewhere that it takes 2 to 3 weeks sometimes. I don't follow very many people because I thought "following" meant reading their work and I don't have time to read very many, so your comments made me feel better on that issue too. Thank you again for taking time to write this informative hub for new writers.

      Marsei

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Glad this was helpful to you Java Programs. Welcome to Hubpages :)

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      Java Programs 5 years ago from India

      Hi mistyhorizon2003 ,

      I am new to hubpages ..... Thanks to your wonderful article , I have acquired what to do and what not to do ... was doing mistake of no. 10 ....

      Thanks

      learned so many things /....

      Keep the good work up ....

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Thanks peramore20, I hope this helps to prevent many hubbers making these same mistakes. I even see some very seasoned hubbers guilty of many of these, especially the 'going on a following spree' one.

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      peramore20 5 years ago from Greensburg, PA

      Wonderful pointers. Far too often, we don't read the rules. In addition, it irks me when someone's hub is full of typos, spelling errors and grammar mistakes.

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Well done for not being 'guilty' of some of the mistakes BrokenDreamer. I am sure you will do well on Hubpages :)

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      Jen Christopherson 5 years ago from Oklahoma, USA

      I didn't read all of the comments made, so I might copy some. Sorry. *blush* I am running out of time. I thought this hub was very well written and gave great advice. I am glad I read it. I am equally grateful that I (actually) managed to miss some of the mistakes written about. Thank you.

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Thanks for the compliment Writer Fox, but I won't be writing any hubs on how I gained so many followers because this is not important if you want to make a living online, and to be honest I didn't even try. Followers here on HP do not equal success, so I strongly recommend you ignore the amount of followers you have and concentrate on writing large amounts of quality content, as this is what will generate large amounts of viewings and will ultimately pay your bills!

      Good Luck

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      Writer Fox 5 years ago from the wadi near the little river

      I think this advice is great for new Hubbers. Perhaps you'll write a Hub on how you obtained so many followers!

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Thanks for your thoughts gabgirl12. I certainly didn't intend this as a psychological analysis of new hubbers, simply a list of common mistakes I see and many other hubbers see who have been here a while. This is not to say ALL new Hubbers do these things, it is to prevent those who are thinking of doing these things from doing them. On the plus side a lot of new Hubbers will read this and feel suitably 'smug' that they haven't done any of these things themselves. Those who have, will hopefully stop doing these things. End result = Better quality hubs and hubbers.

      Think of this as a text book or a manual for new hubbers, not a psychological analysis of them or an attempt to 'paint newbies in a negative light', (that would be ridiculous as we were all new once).

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      gabgirl12 5 years ago

      This is a very educational hub. It's quite blunt and direct. It seems to analyze a new hubber from a psychological perspective. I hope it can be understood however that not all new hubbers are accomplished writers. Remember we make honest mistakes. But gladly we can take the criticism as means to improve our writing. I hope this is also understood by Hubpages. I made an account several months back and unfortunately its only now that I have time to work on my writing. I'm still a new hubber and I'm doing the best I can. I hope to improve with more practice and persistence. Not everyone will find that this is for them. It's just the way it is, but its important to put your writings out there. Everyone has their own unique ways of expression. I welcome all negative or positive responses. I hope anyone who reads this will still be encouraged to write even if it seems to paint newbies in a negative light. Thanks for the input though and the reality check of what we need to consider before submitting a comment and what we shouldn't expect when writing a hub. Happy writing to everyone!

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Thanks kripkrip420, that is a very honest comment and I admire that. Glenn Stok writes some excellent Hubs and is a great source of advice and information. I have no problem with you posting his link here, although it is already at the end of the hub because I too was very impressed with the same article on a previous occasion when I came across it whilst writing this one.

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      kripkrip420 5 years ago from In relation to what?

      Thank you very much for this information. I must say that I have done at least three of the things you listed here. Post links to my own page in other hubbers hub comments (done). Post half-decent articles (done). Follow only for the sake of gaining followers (done). To be honest, when I first started out, I wrote much higher quality hubs than I do now. In fact, my very first hub reached a hubscore of 89 not too long ago (that is very impressive for me). Luckily, I happened to accidentally read your hub just in time as I have only started making these mistakes this past week. Again, thank you very much. I voted up and useful. By the way (I hope this is allowed), the hubber whose article I read that led me to yours was written by "glennstok" and there is a link of it below. It was also very helpful.

      http://glennstok.hubpages.com/hub/advise-for-new-w...

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      You are welcome Acheolis :)

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      Acheolis 5 years ago from USA

      Thank you!

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Thanks for the great comment Carolyn2008. I am really pleased you found this so useful and I hope it acts as a helpful guide for newbies :)

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      Carolyn Gibson 5 years ago from Boston

      This is a great hub! It provided useful information. I have been especially guilty of just saying "nice hub." I don't want to repeat what others have already said. I am usually not at loss for words, but still want to express my appreciation for the hub. I will make a conscious effort to be provide better information when I comment. If just one of each hubber who reads this makes one change, I think the hubs will improve with time.

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      LOL Glenn, you are one of the good guys, why wouldn't I recommend your Hub ? ;)

      Thanks so much for posting a comment here too :)

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      Glenn Stok 5 years ago from Long Island, NY

      I decided to check out this hub to see if I might be making any of those mistakes after two years. Glad to say it's the other way around. I don't approve comments when they have a self-promotional link, and I always look to see if people who follow me have just followed a ton of other hubbers in less time than they could have read them. Two important points you've made. And suddenly as I was reading I can across your recommendation of my hub. So I owe you a big thank you! :)

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      Cindy Lawson 5 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Not to worry mary615, it is never too late to change the way we do things for the better, and I am sure you will love being here on HP although I see you have already been here for 6 months so you must like it :)

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      Mary Hyatt 5 years ago from Florida

      I wish I had read this before I started writing Hubs, but even at this point, I will try to improve. I enjoy "Hub Hopping" just to read other Hubs. Thanks for info.

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      Cindy Lawson 6 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Depends on what you want as an outcome I guess Mulberry1. If you want readers, followers and therefore viewings that raise your Google profile, then I think it does matter. If you simply write just to write, regardless of whether or not it ever gets read, then no, it probably doesn't matter! Take your pick!

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      mulberry1 6 years ago

      Nice hub.

      er, uh, actually I was going to say that although I know better, I am guilty of one or two of the things you've listed. I'm terrible about responding to comments on my hubs and I know I've asked questions that have been answered like 1,000 times. I'm blaming it all on time (far too little) but it doesn't change the outcome, does it?