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Why are there so many bad hubbers?

Updated on November 27, 2012
The meme says it all - bring back constructive criticism!
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The Sad Truth

Recently, I've come across a large number of poor quality, poorly written and poorly structured hubs.

These aren't even by new hubbers (which would have been perfectly acceptable), no, these are people with hundreds of hubs who have been writing for years!

Am I the only one that votes these hubs down and comments on their lack of grammar, structure, or spelling?

Am I the only one that finds it wrong that clearly terrible hubs are being given "100" HubScores when I can see that there are many hubs (that aren't mine) that deserve better!?

I understand that there is a fine line between being constructive and being rude, but it's become ever so clear to me that many hubbers are scuttling away from the danger of appearing foul mouthed and/or offensive when they see mistakes or room for improvement. Those same hubbers are the fastest to make positive comments however, there is no problem there, after all, everyone loves positive feedback, right?

Wrong. When I see that someone is praising a hub exceedingly I immediately unfollow them. Those people are not the sort of people that I want to associate with. They are not likely to be honest or constructive which is what every good writer needs to improve.

Some of us forget that we're in a writing community and quality content is vital. Having poor hubs being voted up to oblivion does nothing but make those of us who produce good hubs look bad.

When people see HubPages, we want them to think that it is where high quality content prospers and low quality content fails.

It is a fantastic idea to let anyone write and publish their own work straight away, but it only works if the community accurately judges the hubs that they see. Being positive is great, it's wonderful... it's... well... positive. But let us not forget that negative feedback will help separate the good from the great. Then, from the great, we'll be able to better learn how to make our hubs great. It benefits everyone to be brutally honest, why? Because when a reader that is not a hubber stumbles upon a poorly written hub, his opinion will also be brutally honest. That same opinion will associate itself with HubPages and then we all look bad. Nobody needs that, nobody wants that.

In short, vote down and comment when you know you should, it helps you and everyone else. Even in my own hubs I find shocking mistakes that no one had commented on.

So the next time you're exploring the hub-topics, just think to yourself "does this hub really deserve to be seen by over 56,000 people (as in the case of Education and Science)? Or should it be something much better? Remember, our best hubs are a representation of HubPages as a whole.

We're supposed to be a community of writers, so let's start acting like one!

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    • Philanthropy2012 profile image
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      DK 4 years ago from London

      @LongTimeMother

      Thanks a lot for taking the time to stop by (and for reading a dozen of my other hubs)!

      Wow, I don't think I've ever met anyone who has never voted a hub down! Although there are many hubs out there that have been copied from PDF files word for word :( and those hubs do not flagging and down-rating. As well as this there are hubs written in broken English and although it's mean I think they need to not be featured.

      From experience, hubbers I feel close to have not had any problem with me posting spelling erros and then putting 'feel free to delete this message' afterwards. That way, the message is only there for as long as the hubber didn't read it and embarrassment is minimised!

      Personally, I'd much rather the mistake be pointed out than thousands of readers reading it and thinking 'mediocre author.'

      And I've never even thought about that writing technique that uses spelling errors for a benefit! It makes a lot of sense actually, but I think most people use the "did you mean?" function before looking at their erroneous search nowadays. Clever if people actually did that all the same however.

      I agree with not begrudging people's high scores, it's just very sad when people who are obviously trying much harder to be creative, factual and presentable are not getting as much success as the lazy ones!

      Thanks for stopping by, your comments are very refreshing!

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      LongTimeMother 4 years ago from Australia

      I would hate to actively discourage new writers from trying to develop their skills, so I do offer encouragement based on original thought and obvious effort. I can be forgiving of the occasional typo. I am less forgiving of what I consider to be 'lazy' hubs, but to date I have never voted any hub down. I just don't vote it up. The only hub I can imagine voting down is one that was genuinely offensive.

      I have seen occasional mistakes in the work of hubbers I respect, but not commented. If there was a Private Message facility, which I don't believe there is at present, I would send a private note and suggest they fix it. There is no way, however, that I would paste a public comment or fan mail message and risk causing them embarrassment.

      I am also conscious of the technique used by many writers to deliberately include incorrect spelling in order to rate in search engines, so perhaps a spelling mistake is deliberate. In that case, I believe a writer should take the gamble of attracting traffic from bad spellers in the search engines but NOT expect to be heavily promoted within HP's featured pages.

      I understand if the hub score rises because lots of external traffic is attracted to the site, and I don't begrudge them the high score. I do, however, object to seeing bad writing promoted as the best HP has to offer.

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      DK 4 years ago from London

      Thanks Glen Stok,

      I find that it's important to talk about it - the more we do so, the better our situation becomes!

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      Glenn Stok 4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      Well said. I agree with you 100%. It bothers me when I start reading one's hub and find numerous errors with the English language...things that were taught in High School English.

      Numerous misspellings or typos indicate that the writer doesn't care enough about their readers to clean up with proof reading. But worse than that is when a writer who is supposed to be an authority, confuses words such as their, there, and they're. Or those who think that "alot" is a word. I stop reading when I see a lot of that.

      HubPages is making an effort by idling (not featuring) hubs that don't meet a particular standard, although the actual algorithm is unknown to us. It may have to do with a lack of Google traffic. But it may also have something to do with "down" votes.

      I'm glad you wrote about this. Voted up and useful.

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      DK 5 years ago from London

      Thank you very much Helen! It's always very pleasant to see others take interest in quality articles here on Hubpages!

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      oceansider 5 years ago

      Hi Philanthropy 2012,

      I have to say, well done!..... I agree with you. I have seen so many hubs that get all kinds of praises and great comments, when the hub was downright poor!!!...poor grammar, spelling, sentence structure...poor everything!! Also, I am always so amazed that hubs that have no work put into them at all, get so many compliments and followers!!.....When I see a poorly written hub, I usually don't continue reading it....I go on to other hubs to read.

      In addition....when the subject matter is trash, I also pass those right on by as well...not worth my time & I won't spend any energy reading junk.....The hubs I comment on & follow are the ones I truly like & admire.....Like this one that you have written...thanks for speaking about about it!!!......You are spot on!!

      Helen

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      NikiiLeeReyes 5 years ago

      I am so with detroitmare. Oh, *lol* I tend to revise after I Publish.... Lol. Correction "...The Goal here on hubpages, is to help us* grow.." Lol don't write a hub about that please. :P

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      Barnsey 5 years ago from Happy Hunting Grounds

      Hurray! I agree with Niki, I recall such comments, "You misused the word your so I had to vote it down but overall a good hub!" Huh? You voted the hub down but then said overall it was...Yeah. There is such a thing as being over-critical when it concerns hubs that are just general info or political rants.

      This hub just keeps rollin on, eh Phil, well played.

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      NikiiLeeReyes 5 years ago

      Honestly, I find myself caught in the in-between. As I understand you Phil, I also understand Larry. I have dyslexia. I was Diagnosed when I was in the first grade. I was fortunate to have a supportive mother. Reading and writing weren't my strongest subjects. As I grew older, I found a new passion for reading and writing. I have made my spelling errors, grammar errors and ect... But what matters most is that here--people have something to say; we are here to support eachother as writers from all levels and backgrounds. In other words, if you see a misspelled word or a simple punctuation error-- instead of "voting down" or "flagging" a person for such a common mistake-- why not briefly & respectfully tell & explain to them their mistake? The goal here on Hubpages, is to help up all grow as writers. With that said; we should be more supportive and respectful to everyone here in the hubpages community. Thank you for allowing me to share. -Nika

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      DK 5 years ago from London

      Not to be confused with scampi*

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      detroitmare 5 years ago

      I just learned a new word...scamp! yahoo!

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      DK 5 years ago from London

      Excellent, now run along and play you little scamp you!

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      detroitmare 5 years ago

      10-4 Philanthropy. Didn't mean for that to happen...won't again!

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      DK 5 years ago from London

      Yeesh! Please no fighting on my hubs - constructive criticism only!

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      Jessee R 5 years ago from Gurgaon, India

      Detroit:)

      You are too kind

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      detroitmare 5 years ago

      I'll take pride in the quality of my writing; you can take pride in the quality of your hubs. Let it be - The Beatles.

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      Website Examiner 5 years ago

      The comment I made about experience goes to the heart of what "quality" means on HubPages. For the vast majority of Hubbers, quality is synonymous with sustainable traffic. That is why people start accounts here in the hundreds of thousands. Not to be creative. I, personally, do not strive for traffic or income either, but have respect for those that do.

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      detroitmare 5 years ago

      Website Examiner you must have given yourself that name to feel important. I've been writing my entire life, but just started writing on hubpages recently. So that's quite an ignorant comment you've made, now isn't it? Some of us are not here only to make money, so sustainable traffic isn't my main focus, writing is! I am very open-minded - even to people who criticize me - but after trying to read a few of your works, I'm really not impressed. Your poor sentence structure make your hubs unreadable to me.

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      Website Examiner 5 years ago

      "Putting yourself into your writing is what it's all about, not researching and rewriting." This must be your 7 weeks of experience showing through, Detroitmare. What fun is it to have a lot of hubs with no sustainable traffic? The sustainable traffic is often achieved through research and revision.

      The notion that experienced Hubbers spend more time on a hub than what is feasible and necessary doesn't make sense to me. Of course, if all you want is a bit of local traffic just after publication, you may be on the right track.

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      detroitmare 5 years ago

      Anyone here reading this chain of comments who has not read any of rahul's work, please take the time to do so. This guy is the nicest, most modest, person I've come across on hubpages. His poetry is breathtaking!

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      Jessee R 5 years ago from Gurgaon, India

      The major content of my hubpage is poetry. So is the major time-slot of my reading.

      Most of the time, I express my interpretations of the poem and my remarks but I agree, I have also come across bad structured hubs and poems which to be honest I have flagged and voted down!

      I think if we wish to differentiate between good and bad hubs then the first few lines and structure is enough to make a decision.

      Regarding your hub, I immediately understood that the bold printing implied emphasis on the particular section! You kept it small and precise which was good.

      I will take the liberty of making a suggestion : If you could add one or two pictures regarding examples of bad structure then I think it would be more engrossing and make the experience more learning for newbies or bad oldies( lol )

      I consider myself a newbie and welcome constructive advice on my hubs... Some of my friends here like Theresa Ast ( Phdast) and Jonnycomelately and a few more have helped me a lot in structuring my information into well structured hubs!

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      Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

      Not to worry then, sorry to be so touchy. I've been writing in other places too, and it seems even if I stay off of HP for a few days, there are changes. It's hard to keep up. I do like HP though, in spite of all the complaints. Take care.

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      detroitmare 5 years ago

      I didn't write that ALL long hubs are regurgitated from wiki and other peoples articles, so I'm sorry you felt insulted, Jean. I was merely saying that that is how a lot hubbers here come up with so much information/content. Though I'm not a fan of what you choose to write about, I do think you are a very good writer. As far as my comments go about adding photos: that was in response to what you wrote, but still not aimed AT you. I truly don't understand why it would take hours to add photos and capsules to your hub. "Not understanding" which is what I wrote previously is not criticizing or insulting. I also wrote at the end of my comment "I'm sure there are exceptions" and had to restate it once already (as it seems maddot took my comments personally as well). I apologize for any grief I have caused you.

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      Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

      I wasn't sure how to interpret the comment about longer hubs "regurgitating wiki." I've been an astrologer for over 35 years, and have so much knowledge that it's difficult for me to go back to a beginner level to explain how people can learn how to cast their own charts, or learn to read tarot, without being taken advantage of by unscrupulous people. While it is possible to write short hubs, it is harder for people who like to study subjects in more depth. This can be resolved by making a "series" of hubs, which I often do. My research consists of the years of readings I have done for clients when the hubs are metaphysical in nature. My other hubs are usually book reviews, as I am an avid reader. I feel that was insulting.

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      detroitmare 5 years ago

      Let's get back to the title of the Hub, shall we? Bad Hubbers Be Gone! I can't draw or paint, so I don't. If I did, however, I wouldn't put my stick figure drawings on an art site and not expect at least some criticism. It's nice to see so many people here that truly enjoy writing and take pride in it; there are some really talented people on hubpages sharing their passion. Those who are here just to make a few cents everyday most likely constitute a high percentage of the bad hubbers.

      One common sense tip: try editing your work before you click on the submit button (or have somebody else do it for you). At the very least, your errors will be reduced significantly.

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      Amethystraven 5 years ago from California

      Philanthropy 2012, I like this hub. I have received a lot of positive comments on my hubs, but at the same time I wonder if I am doing a good job. This is my first time writing publicly and I like it a lot. I need constructive criticism because it helps me improve. You are right, there is a fine line between constructive and rude. I don't think people need to begone though. Some of us need guidance. If no one comments then some of us think we've done a good job and we keep right on trucking. I have a sneaky suspicion I need help in some areas, but have not heard anything about it from any readers who have read my hubs. When you have the time, I would like feedback. I don't want a person to read my hubs and only comment to themselves about my errors. I would like to correct them if there are any.

      Larry, I like the idea of messaging privately on the person's profile page. That's a great way to let them know of their mistakes.

      Daughter of Maat, it would be great if hubs were automatically checked for grammar, spelling, and proper sentence fragments before they were published. Even if the subject of my hub is not liked by a reader, I'd at least like to know if it was written correctly.

      Thank you Philanthropy 2012.

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      detroitmare 5 years ago

      I'm sure there are exceptions. There always are.

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      maddot 5 years ago from Northern NSW, Australia

      Re/Jean Bakula's comments -My research does not mean looking up Wiki.

      I'am actualy talking about interviewing people, fact finding and getting information from first hand experience, taking my own photos. At present i'm in India for four months so my next flush of stories will be based on India from interviews and travel experiences.

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      moonlake 5 years ago from America

      I understand letting people know when something is wrong with a hub. Do it nicely or send an email. I got one of the nastiest comments I have ever received the other day. No excuse for that kind of thing. I know I'm not a very good speller and my grammar is terrible. I'm trying to fix hubs but this person got to this hub before I had a chance to fix it. Not only did they make a remark about grammar but also called me fat. Sad when people have to be that way. With that said even that person is not going to run me off hubpages.

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      Larry Wall 5 years ago

      Critiquing a story takes a little more time than reading a hub and voicing an opinion. I would recommend that those who are seeking a real critique of their writing, i.e., plot or subject matter, style, flow, grammar, spelling, what the reader leaves with and what could make it better would only have to add an opening paragraph that says,

      "If you have the time, I am looking for real criti1ques of my writing effort. If you only have time to read and offer a brief comment those are very much appreciated. However, anyone, especially anyone with writing experience, who can offer a critique, it would be appreciated," or something to that extent.

      Frankly, if somebody does not like my work, they can tell me. If they disagree, they can tell me (many do). It they want to say good job, I appreciate it, but I am not looking for formal critiques. I have a circle of friends who I trust for fair evaluations, including my wife, who do critiques when I need them. If necessary, I then seek a wider audience.

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      Barnsey 5 years ago from Happy Hunting Grounds

      I have to agree, Phil. I joined Hubpages originally hoping to get some feedback on my writings. Not my hubs, my short stories and such, but, as you said, no one seemed willing to tackle that aspect. I have had a lot of views to my short stories in particular and while I have had a few compliments there hasn't been the sort of honest critique I was looking for. I removed several chapters of a book because I was not getting any comments. I would have loved some negative comments, at least, but I got nothing. On the other hand some hubs i came up with got some critiques but the truth is my hubs are not my core materials.

      From my side I have tried to be honest but fair, I find it difficult to be harsh with someone when they have loads of blatant mistakes but I will mention they have some work to do and vote them down. This was well done and properly broached, thank you.

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      detroitmare 5 years ago

      A hub does not have to be lengthy and wordy to be good. Sometimes a to-the-point hub is more valuable than a hub someone spent hours and hours researching and regurgitating. Anyone can gather information from Wiki and other peoples articles, rewrite it by twisting some words and sentences around, and come up with a lot of content. Putting yourself into your writing is what it's all about, not researching and rewriting. Adding photos and other capsules takes no time at all, so I don't understand why it would take hours. If a hubber is choosing subjects that he/she is already familiar with and has a passion for, it really shouldn't be so time consuming to publish a quality hub. I'm sure there are exceptions. There always are.

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      Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

      maddot,

      It takes me a few hours to research and write a hub too, maybe from 3-5 hours, depending on the subject. Then it takes another 1 or 2 to add the pictures, Amazon capsules, and whatever else you want. The people who write several a day pay for keywords, and usually write either the minimum number of words, or write many words which say little. It's bad for your score to just follow anyone who follows you. Look up the person. I have many who comment on my astrology hubs, then look at their profile pages and find some don't even have one hub written. Take care.

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      maddot 5 years ago from Northern NSW, Australia

      I have been horrified by some hubs because they were (and still are) so boring.

      On examining some of these hubs I discovered that they had many, many followers and seemed to be doing very nicely thank you in the revenue department.

      I found this hard to understand but decided it was a formula that was being used to generate traffic.

      In one online discussion hubbers were talking about how many hubs they write per day which astounded me. For me to write a half decent hub it takes about three hours and that's not counting the time taken for personal photos and research.

      I've given up trying to work it out and I don't read too many hubs anymore as it gets a bit depressing seeing how much support and the huge number of followers these hubbers have.

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      Larry Wall 5 years ago

      The first was a forum with the question, Why Did Man Create God. I took the opposing view that God Created Man. The problem with the forums is that there is no chronological order so it is difficult to keep track of in addition to the people going off topic, repeating the same thing someone else said and being insulting to people who do not agree.

      The second was a hub that started out about the Secrets of the Vatican, written by a Hubber who has become a friend. We disagreed on the "right" of the general public to have free access to ancient church documents, especially since Vatican City is a sovereign country. That hub got too long and it went beyond the point of discussing access to an arguments about the validity of the Catholic church and other matters.

      I do not mind discussing religion. I believe in God. I believe Jesus was his earthly son, conceived by the Holy Spirit with Mary as his earthly mother. I believe Jesus died on the cross for our sins and there is an afterlife. I do not accept the old testament as being a literal account of what happened in ancient times, but see it more as a means of telling a compelling story about our beginnings.

      I cannot prove God exists. No one can prove that he does not exists. I believe and have seen miracles, that others would call chance or luck. I call them miracles. I was raised as a Baptist, and converted to Catholicism about 20 years ago. I am not an expert, but I am a believer.

      Thus I am not getting into anymore debates about whether God exists or not.

      I do not believe anyone on this earth and provide definitive proof that the Catholic church is wrong in its beliefs since its beliefs are based on faith and faith cannot be disproved.

      So there you have it summed up. I am not an expert on religion. If I see something that is totally wrong, like the person who said that at the Last Supper the disciples could have taken a bite out of Jesus arm or leg in order to share in his body and blood. I found that offensive.

      Have a nice day.

      As far as the correction to Hubs, English is not the primary language for many of the Hubbers. I am not saying that every time you need to send an e-mail. But if it is something early in the discussion, or you see it while hub hopping, which is how I found you, then a note might save the person some embarrassment and make you a new friend. I have several hubbers that I communicate with through e-mail.

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      DK 5 years ago from London

      @ Jean Baukla,

      I completely agree with you about the pictures and videos. In fact, I see a lot of good hubbers have been adding irrelevant eBay and amazon capsules to their articles in the hope that their hubs might finally rise above the low quality hubs that spam the 'best' sections!

      And it's truly sad when credit is given due to for nothing :(

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      DK 5 years ago from London

      @Larry Wall, wow, your topic of conversation must have been really interesting for that person to follow you like that? May I ask what it was about? Don't worry, I won't be pursuing your or the conversation - I'm just curious!

      Also, as for your idea of e-mailing people the corrections. I understand why you say that, but that seems like a waste of time when you can comment on the hub, and then the hub author can simply take the advice and delete the comment.

      When it gets very bad, I actually say "you may want to delete or hide this comment after taking note of the corrections" at the end.

      Also, I personally find e-mailing very personal indeed, I wouldn't want corrections aimed at me, just my hubs!

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      detroitmare 5 years ago

      With spellchecker, why do spelling errors even happen?

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 5 years ago from United Kingdom

      Speaking for myself, I would prefer someone pointed out a mistake in my hub rather than say nothing and allowing me to continue looking foolish. I'm a big girl now and I promise I won't go to pieces.

      I thought we were here not just to write but to improve or skills. How can this happen if we don't challenge each to do better?

      I agree with approval prior to publication. ezine.com does this so I pay even closer attention to what I've written, get others to critique it and revise it at least three times before I submit my article. Granted, I do this anyway, but my point is we should be striving to write ever better hubs. We can't do this in a vacuum; we need feedback from other. That's why I joined a writers' group; so I can learn from others and they can learn from me.

      So please, people, let's start helping each other out. This can be a win-win situation if we start caring.

      (Getting off my soapbox now.)

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      Lamar Johns 5 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Noticed the mistakes after I was done. Happens a lot. No big deal. It's not cool to nitpick if those were the only noticeable errors you caught. I use "nitpick" because I wrote a lot and I knew that I would have a few mistakes here and there. Now if there were many errors then yeah go right ahead and correct me because I would obviously deserve it.

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      detroitmare 5 years ago

      Am I being brutally or blatantly honest? It's really not cool to misspell the word grammar and it's Doesn't not does'nt.

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      Lamar Johns 5 years ago from Pennsylvania

      I'm relatively new and have instantly noticed all of the things you've mentioned. Really, it does'nt take much effort to differentiate quality work from utter garbage.

      I have to partially disagree with a statement you made about how everyone can benefit from being brutally honest. Though I understand and agree with your point, your word choice should be considered.

      Brutally honest implies you are relaying critisim in a offensive manner. That does not benefit anyone because a person who writes bad hubs will be offended instead of being aware that they write crap. Now being blatantly honest does. Remember with this site in particular, many people have little understanding of proper grammer, structure, etc. etc.

      That's not the main problem, although it is a crucial one. The problem comes in at people commenting and voting up on hubs that are simply bad because those very same people that are doing the commenting don't know the basics of proper grammer. See, it's a cycle of bad.

      Yes, this is a writing community, but it should also be professional considering that you can make money writing hubs (which clearly draws in all sorts of people).

      Should there be an obligation for writers to vote down or flag bad hubs? Yes, but also take into account that there are numerous hubs that are downright horrible still getting voted up. That does'nt mean stop doing it, that just means that the overall consensus believes that these hubs are good.

      You could argue about that, but your arguments would appear baseless to them because they and others believe a high hub score equates to a quality hub which is so not the case.

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      Melissa Flagg OSC 5 years ago from Rural Central Florida

      I'm surprised more writing sites don't actually make their authors go through an approval period. Like I said, Knoji has become much more stringent. The current requirement is 10 articles consecutively approved, but if you have flawless grammar and spelling you can get through faster (I did it in 3 apparently...). I don't see any reason hubpages couldn't do the same. Yes, it would meet quite a bit of disapproval, but only from those who don't know a fragment sentence from a comma. Besides, once you get through the approval period you can self publish.

      Knoji also explained that they became more stringent because of the new updates from google. So, if knoji notices that having too much crap on their site hurts their ratings, hubpages should be noticing it as well. I think that also explains the drop in traffic many of us have suffered (but it's purely opinion).

      Philanthropy, I do appreciate being as busy as I am. My husband thought I was going to be completely bored at home after I quit my job, and he was quite worried about that. So, I really shouldn't complain. :D

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      Jean Bakula 5 years ago from New Jersey

      Hello Philanthropy 2012,

      I thought it was only me! I got 100 on a hub one time in the 18 months I've been here. The emphasis seems more on attribution to pictures, videos and recipes, all things that have little to do with writing. I don't spend much time at HP like I used to for these reasons. I write on another site and have my own blog now. But I also believe the quality is low, and certain "pets" can write complete garbage and the Elites will fawn over them.

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      detroitmare 5 years ago

      Great advice Larry! A newspaper reporter? It's an honor to have you here on hubpages.

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      Larry Wall 5 years ago

      As a poor speller and one who types too fast without proofreading, I know what it is like to make mistakes. As a person with a speech impairment, I know what it is like not to hear the ending sounds or the middle sounds of a word. It is some type of processing issue that I have, so I have to consciously pay attention to how I say every word because if I do not, I will type it the way I would normally say it. Some people were not as fortunate as I was to get the proper therapy and to work in a newspaper office where the editor understood and would point out to me and not to the world consistent errors. Some Hubbers do not have English as a native language. Some are trying their best. If you see a Hub with a lot of errors, you can go to that person's profile page and send him or her a private message, point out the error, offer suggestions. You do not need to embarrass the person. I just saw on a comment I had written that I use the word thought instead of taught. It was a silly error. I write quickly, I change my sentences as I am writing them and I make mistakes. I can live with it. I had two successful careers as a newspaper reporter and as a public relations director. Someone just starting to write needs encouragement and not embarrassment. If you like what the person writes, offer to proofread for him. He can copy and paste the Hub to an e-mail. You can mark the errors. You send it back. He finds the way to correct it. He learns. A better Hub is produced and you have done a good dead for the day. Think about it.

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      Civil War Bob 5 years ago from Glenside, Pennsylvania

      Good hub, Phil...voted up, interesting. To answer your question: because in almost every field of endeavor there are a lot of "bad" participants. I've been well involved these last 3 months in HubPages and have found the quality of hubs quite good, actually. Only a few that I've read need to work on their written English, but it's clear that a good ESL course would help them. I've made a few editorial comments, but usually my comments are for content. Enjoy your day.

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      Audrey Selig 5 years ago from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

      There is at least one hubber' that I flagged several months ago whose grammar and lack of sentences is shameful. I wish I could volunteer to help HubPage team to sort out obvious ones that need to disappear. I know the staff tries but there are too many. I wish for some screening such as a short grammar quiz. Wishful thinking or maybe we should just post comments as suggested.

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      Larry Wall 5 years ago

      I welcome opposing opinions and will respond. However, after going through a couple of forums and a couple of hubs that got out of hand, I will not pursue an endless debate. I had to ask one person to stop following me, because he wanted to spend hours on the subject, when I did not want to. We come across each other and its friendly.

      The reasons for not pointing out spelling errors, I am not sure I am always right.

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      DK 5 years ago from London

      @Larry Wall, thank you for taking the time and effort :)

      It's good to see other hubbers who tackle difficult and controversial issues. It's good because I myself do the same (religion, abortion, philosophy etc.) and I will hopefully learn something from you. Except arguments from me shortly on your many hubs :)

      I find it difficulty however to understand why you do not point out grammatical or spelling errors when you see them on another person's hubs? If you see the mistake yourself the fact that you are not usually a strong speller does not diminish the need to point it out to the author to whom the mistake belongs?

      And yes your comment presented itself very pleasantly indeed (:

      Expect strong agreement or disagreement to many of your hubs from me shortly!

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      detroitmare 5 years ago

      Larry, you are a long ways away from being a bad hubber. I don't think there was a single mistake in your comment! ;)

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      Larry Wall 5 years ago

      I guess by your standards I am doing the right thing. I have received a fair share of negative feedback. Some topics will generate it. Talking about the 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms (no matter which side you are on) will generate "constructive" feedback. The same is true about religion, politics, the oil and gas industry and the news media. Some hubs offer only information about subjects that are not controversial. If I read one of those and I learn something, I say thanks. If it did not do anything for me or bother me, I just go on.

      I do not point out grammatical errors or spelling errors, because I am a terrible speller, as has been pointed out to me. I reply with appreciation and make the corrections as soon as possible. Usually my problem is that I use the wrong word because of a typo. I wrote hit instead of him once. I type 70 wpm and get ahead of myself. The lack of negative feedback is not always necessary. I hope I presented this in a positive manner because your Hub was very good.

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      DK 5 years ago from London

      Thank you! If not improvement to the HubCommunity, then at least I will know that there ARE others out there who care about quality content!

      Ah hah, of course a lot of people are going to search far and wide for mistakes in this hub just so they can rub it in my face! I'm okay with that! I'll learn from the experience, change the hub, and delete the comment if it was too offensive!

      Thank you for your time and reassurance :)

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      detroitmare 5 years ago

      You are not alone. I've voted down many hubs that contain numerous errors. Misspelling is unforgivable. I'm not sure how that can happen. Misused words, poor sentence structure, text-like lingo, are all good reasons to vote a hub down. I'd have written a hub similar to yours, but I was afraid of making mistakes and being heavily scrutinized for it.

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      DK 5 years ago from London

      Ahaha, as for the bold print, it's a specific style of mind to emphasise words whilst also ensuring (and letting everyone else know) that I've read through the hub at least once!

      I hope that you see your busy schedule as a positive thing! Think of all the bored people crying for nothing to do! If only we could share some of our burdens with them, pah!

      I do feel honored that mine is the hub you read however C:

      And I quite like that idea actually, I wasn't so sure about every hub being approved but certainly am for the '5-10 consecutive approvals and you're a free man approach.

      A good idea indeed, one that I hadn't heard of before. I know that most other sites require you to submit a piece of your work as an entry exam type of thing. I was searching for a French equivalent of HubPages but alas :'(

      Good luck with your hubs and I expect and await to see your Whiteboard Ideas jazzle up HubPages shortly!!

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      Melissa Flagg OSC 5 years ago from Rural Central Florida

      Well, I did happen to notice a bit of an excessive usage of bold print... just kidding. Your hub was perfect. As for my efficiency, your hub has been the only one I've gotten to read all day! (Lucky you!!) Not to sound like I'm whining or anything, but as a SAHM, finding time to pee can be a problem let alone time to write or read hubs! I have tons of ideas (my white board is quite crowded at the moment) but not enough time to write them all. (I just need to figure out a time dilation device, then I could get everything done!)

      I did notice quite an uproar when the possibility of having hubs approved before publishing came up. Knoji did this, and I think it was a fantastic idea. They're slowly weeding out the crap that has been published and saving themselves extra work by approving articles prior to publishing. They set a goal of 10 articles consecutively approved before you can self publish, and I think that's brilliant, and apparently so does google!

      I did enjoy your hub though, well written. :D

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      DK 5 years ago from London

      Ah hah quite an ironic name for the statement "I don't get to read enough hubs" hehe, but I can sympathise with you. I have only recently liberated the time to freely look at other people's hubs and have been appalled at what I've seen!

      I think you've hit the nail on the head with the followers and loyalty protectorship, regardless of quality there are many who will vote from a sense of duty and selfishness, knowing they can expect reciprocation in the future.

      I'm glad there are still those as famed and established as yourself who produce consistent hubs!

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      Website Examiner 5 years ago

      I don't get to read enough hubs, as has always been the case for me. I don't find it difficult to imagine what you are talking about here. It seems that quite a few people on the site are having a hard time accepting talk of any quality standards. Not conducive to quality improvements. Thoughtful hub.

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      DK 5 years ago from London

      Daughter Of Maat, thank you for your time, comment, and positive feedback which I hope was said because there was nothing wrong with my hub, or else writing it was for nothing!

      You haven't seen anyone do it and that's indeed the problem! No one is doing it anymore! Though perhaps that is also because a lot of people will delete 'constructive comments' after they have acknowledged them. This would be true in hubs without mistakes, but since there are sooo many hubs with obvious errors it's clear that people are going silent!

      Congratulations on your hubber score of 100 by the way, judging from the speed at which you commented on this new hub, I suspect it's because of your efficiency!

      Good luck with maintaining it and writing future hubs!

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      Melissa Flagg OSC 5 years ago from Rural Central Florida

      I, personally, have been a bit wary of commenting constructively on hubs like that since I'm fairly new and well, I just haven't seen anyone do it. Although, I have commented on a couple of hubs in the medical genre that had blatantly wrong information, but I tried to do it "nicely."

      I agree, if someone finds an error in my hub, let me know! Or even if they have a suggestion for improvement, I'm not perfect and I need all the help I can get! I'm still wondering why I have a hubber score of 100 at the moment!

      Thanks for writing this, I definitely think this is one of those things hubbers need to be diligent about. Hubpages will only lose rank, and we will, consequently, lose money, if google thinks this site is full of crap.